2019 NFL Draft

[obiken]

Barton was the 20th LB on the board projected as a 7th rounder. Bust written all over him. But we have to trust PC on defensive picks.

[mykc14]

Barton was the 20th LB on the board projected as a 7th rounder. Bust written all over him. But we have to trust PC on defensive picks.

I think we can go back just about every year and see you complaining about picks, Obi. You don’t have to trust PC if you don’t want to but he built us into a SB winning team and now he’s in the process of doing it again. RW, B-Wags, Irvin, etc were all reaches and guys that were ‘graded’ to go later. PC and JS don’t give two sh**s about draft grades and you probably shouldn’t either. They have a type of player they are looking for. Again, it doesn’t mean you have to like/agree with every pick but it seems like they have earned the right for us to trust the process. They are really trying to do something no other team (besides NE) has done- build two SB winning teams. If they make it back to the SB it will be with a completely different group of guys.

[obiken]

I think we can go back just about every year and see you complaining about picks, Obi. You don’t have to trust PC if you don’t want to but he built us into a SB winning team and now he’s in the process of doing it again. RW, B-Wags, Irvin, etc were all reaches and guys that were ‘graded’ to go later. PC and JS don’t give two sh**s about draft grades and you probably shouldn’t either. They have a type of player they are looking for. Again, it doesn’t mean you have to like/agree with every pick but it seems like they have earned the right for us to trust the process. They are really trying to do something no other team (besides NE) has done- build two SB winning teams. If they make it back to the SB it will be with a completely different group of guys.

Okay sorry. But in my defense I had River with me on Irvin!

[NorthHawk]

A lot of people don’t consider the rankings are generic and don’t take into account
team fits. Metcalf will probably have simple route trees with Russell heaving it as
far as he can and DK running under it.

[mykc14]

Okay sorry. But in my defense I had River with me on Irvin!

I think a lot of people were feeling that way about Irvin!!

[idhawkman]

I don't know much about Barton but Utah had a pretty good defense this past year so he may have been under rated on that squad. (crossing fingers for another Bobby or KJ).

I enjoyed the piece on NFL channel showing Pete's call to DK. I hope he does well for us.

[obiken]

I think a lot of people were feeling that way about Irvin!!

As Cbob taught me arguing the draft is kind of a waste of time because it takes 2 years to wring out. Biggest argument him and I ever got into, was over a couple of DT's in 04 We took Marcus Tubbs, and I wanted Igor Olshansky. Igor had just an average career and Tubbs was a bust. So it was a draw!
They are all "prospects" All you can expect is your team to get the best prospect available. Passing on Woods for Richardson, Trading an All-Pro center for a "soft" TE, drafting Carpenter, and Ifeti. No doubt, Pete is nothing short of genius when getting defensive talent, but is in severe need of Special Education when drafting for the offense. Fortunately, what he lacks in talent he makes up for in luck. RW, TL, and Carson, just to name a few. I think the biggest bust of the draft is Jones taken by the Giants. But MC, who really knows? Peyton Manning loves this kid, and recommended him to the Giants. Unlike me MC, Peyton Manning is a football savant! So as the Zen Master would say: we will see!

[mykc14]

I don't know much about Barton but Utah had a pretty good defense this past year so he may have been under rated on that squad. (crossing fingers for another Bobby or KJ).

I enjoyed the piece on NFL channel showing Pete's call to DK. I hope he does well for us.

I’m actually excited about Barton. He is the perfect Seahawks LB. He’s an athletic freak who is really quick and had a ton of college production. Don’t be surprised if he’s starting here in two years.

[obiken]

I’m actually excited about Barton. He is the perfect Seahawks LB. He’s an athletic freak who is really quick and had a ton of college production. Don’t be surprised if he’s starting here in two years.

Maybe I just spend too much time looking at draft guides! They have no love for this guy. But another LB out of Utah is our #1 tackling machine!

[mykc14]

As Cbob taught me arguing the draft is kind of a waste of time because it takes 2 years to wring out.

They are all "prospects" All you can expect is your team to get the best prospect available. Passing on Woods for Richardson, Trading an All-Pro center for a "soft" TE, drafting Carpenter, and Ifeti. No doubt, Pete is nothing short of genius when getting defensive talent, but is in severe need of Special Education when drafting for the offense. Fortunately, what he lacks in talent he makes up for in luck. RW, TL, and Carson, just to name a few. I think the biggest bust of the draft is Jones taken by the Giants. But MC, who really knows? Peyton Manning loves this kid, and recommended him to the Giants. Unlike me MC, Peyton Manning is a football savant! So as the Zen Master would say: we will see!

I agree about their trades. I understand why they made those trades- getting a player with unique talent instead of a crapshoot late first round draft pick. My problem with it is that there is always a reason that team isn’t willing to pay for them and you have to give up a number 1 and pay a ton of money to a guy who has done nothing for you. I do disagree about their offensive acumen as far as the draft goes, though. Okung, RW, Tate, Britt, Sweezy, Lockete, Carson, Prich, Carp, and Wilson are all guys they drafted who are on their second contract in the league and there’s probably more that I can’t remember off of the top of my head. There aren’t as many names on here as on the defensive side but it’s not terrible, especially considering they did draft very many guys in the first round over that period of time. There are, of course, some big busts as well (and Penny could be another one), but I wouldn’t say they are bad on that side of the ball.

[Aseahawkfan]

If Barton can be turned into a great LB, Ken Norton Jr. will be the one to do the job. No one knows or prides himself more on the LB position than Ken.

I wonder if they want to turn Barton into Kam.

[RiverDog]

Maybe I just spend too much time looking at draft guides! They have no love for this guy. But another LB out of Utah is our #1 tackling machine!

Minor correction for some, but an important distinction for others. Bobby Wagner is out of Utah State, not Utah.

[c_hawkbob]

I am loving this draft so far! I genuinely like every single pick we've made, every one was on my radar and Blair I even called as our replacement for Earl months ago (then like an idiot left him off my final mock!)

[NorthHawk]

This guy compares Metcalf to Calvin Johnson.
Just something to think over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9EAnLH ... r_embedded

[RiverDog]

This guy compares Metcalf to Calvin Johnson. Just something to think over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9EAnLH ... r_embedded

Physically, he compares favorably to the big #1 receivers of late, including Megatron, Julio Jones, and Dez Bryant in both size and speed. The problem is, and what caused him to fall, is that he didn't have a real productive career at Ole Miss.

I really like this pick for its big potential upside. This could turn out to be a huge steal. It's a pretty low risk gamble to spend a low 2nd rounder on this guy.

[NorthHawk]

Physically, he compares favorably to the big #1 receivers of late, including Megatron, Julio Jones, and Dez Bryant in both size and speed. The problem is, and what caused him to fall, is that he didn't have a real productive career at Ole Miss.

I really like this pick for its big potential upside. This could turn out to be a huge steal. It's a pretty low risk gamble to spend a low 2nd rounder on this guy.

I don't know if you saw the whole clip, but he goes on to show how the College coaches didn't use him as they could have and his stats suffered because of it.
I hope we don't do the same as he could be very effective if the Defenses concentrate on stopping the run.

[Hawk Sista]

I love the BBK pick. I’m digging this draft. Need some more D-line beef (maybe a vet free-agent or two) and a corner in the 6th.

[idhawkman]

I love the BBK pick. I’m digging this draft. Need some more D-line beef (maybe a vet free-agent or two) and a corner in the 6th.

I'm thinking the front office is more impressed with Poona than I thought they were based on their draft picks this year.

[jshawaii22]

Round 1 • Pick 29 (29) • DE L.J. Collier
Round 2 • Pick 15 (47) • SS Marquise Blair
Round 2 • Pick 32 (64) • WR D.K. Metcalf
Round 3 • Pick 25 (88) • LB Cody Barton
Round 4 • Pick 18 (120) • WR Gary Jennings
Round 4 • Pick 22 (124) • G Phil Haynes
Round 4 • Pick 30 (132) • FS Ugo Amadi
Round 5 • Pick 4 (142) • LB Ben Burr-Kirven
Round 6 • Pick 32 (204) • RB Travis Homer
Round 6 • Pick 37 (209) • DT Demarcus Christmas
Round 7 • Pick 22 (236) • WR John Ursua
Seahawks Draft Tracker 2019 Draft Class --

[idhawkman]

Anyone seen the UDFA list after the draft yet? Who'd we get there?

[NorthHawk]

So far, The Draft Network shows the following are signing with us:

Ohio State OL Demetrius Knox

South Dakota State QB Taryn Christian

Utah C Lo Falemaka

Northwestern State WR Jazz Ferguson

Texas CB Davante Davis


Edit, Add:

Citadel EDGE Noah Dawkins


And another:

Oklahoma RB Marcelias Sutton

[Rambo2014]

What a disaster draft!

LOL

I expect Mel Kiper to give ya boys a D+

See ya on the field! Not for long however

[RiverDog]

Okay sorry. But in my defense I had River with me on Irvin!

I think a lot of people were feeling that way about Irvin!!

Yes, I've done my share of complaining about our drafts, my two biggest beefs being Irvin and Carpenter. Neither one lived up to their billing. I was also upset at the Harvin trade and didn't think that Jimmy Graham was a good fit for our team.

But just to keep things in perspective, I was also simply ecstatic when we drafted Aaron Curry, and at one time, thought that Tim Ruskell was a genius and I was very skeptical when we hired Pete Carroll.

In other words, blindfold me, give me a baseball bat, and spin me around and I'll knock the crap out of that piñata.

[idhawkman]

I think in hindsight people may eventually reconsider how much of a bust Carpenter was. I don't think we go to the second bowl without him.

[jshawaii22]

I totally blame Pete hiring the worst OLine coach we've had...Tom Cable. If you look the career's of Carpenter and others, many of them flourish AFTER they leave us. I can't help but think his old school 'zone blocking' just didn't cut it.

[govandals]

Barton was the 20th LB on the board projected as a 7th rounder. Bust written all over him. But we have to trust PC on defensive picks.

I read 3 scouting reports on Barton. One said 3rd round, one 6th round, and one "mid to late day 3 pick". ESPN had him as the no. 7 OLB (they separated OLB and ILB) and 97 player overall.

[obiken]

But just to keep things in perspective, I was also simply ecstatic when we drafted Aaron Curry, and at one time, thought that Tim Ruskell was a genius and I was very skeptical when we hired Pete Carroll.
In other words, blindfold me, give me a baseball bat, and spin me around and I'll knock the crap out of that piñata.

Sure, The ONLY professional that said Curry was going to be a bust was Mark Schlereth, He said: "Body like Tarzan, plays like Jane!" I still have Kipers last guide with him on the front! BTW, the kid outta West Virginia looks really good at WR.

[jshawaii22]

I predict the surprise of the this draft is Hawaii's own John Ursua. Dude is quick, runs great routes, led the nation in TD's last year and played 3 years for a pretty good spread offense, even if the team can't stop anyone. He is the slot receiver we need. Wouldn't surprise me if he's out running punts back, too.

[govandals]

I predict the surprise of the this draft is Hawaii's own John Ursua. Dude is quick, runs great routes, led the nation in TD's last year and played 3 years for a pretty good spread offense, even if the team can't stop anyone. He is the slot receiver we need. Wouldn't surprise me if he's out running punts back, too.

I hope you're right. PCJS must really like him since they gave a 2020 6th for him. I've read on a few websites that scouts say 2020 draft will be "the year of the receiver".

[RiverDog]

I think in hindsight people may eventually reconsider how much of a bust Carpenter was. I don't think we go to the second bowl without him.

Sure, he finally got his fat ass in shape during his contract season and played OK after we didn't resign the journeyman that beat him out the previous year. But he couldn't have been that great in 2014 as our short yardage game sucked that season even taking into consideration that Beast was at the peak of his career, and straight ahead bulldozing blocking was supposed to be Carpenter's long suit. The year before, in our Lombardi season, there was at least one playoff game that he didn't suit up for even though he was healthy.

But Carpenter was undeniably a huge bust at the position he was drafted at, and that's what got me started on Tom Cable's case. If Cable thought that Carpenter had what it took to be an NFL offensive tackle to such a degree that we took him with our first round pick, then something was terribly wrong with his skill as an evaluator.

I got so tired of Cable's drafting philosophy…"This guy can play multiple positions along the OL, so if we phuck up and he doesn't cut it at the spot we think he can play, we can at least save some face by playing him somewhere else."

[NorthHawk]

I don't think he was a bust.
I just think he didn't fit Cable's system. As it seems most other players as well if we examine the results.

[idhawkman]

Sure, he finally got his fat ass in shape during his contract season and played OK after we didn't resign the journeyman that beat him out the previous year. But he couldn't have been that great in 2014 as our short yardage game sucked that season even taking into consideration that Beast was at the peak of his career, and straight ahead bulldozing blocking was supposed to be Carpenter's long suit. The year before, in our Lombardi season, there was at least one playoff game that he didn't suit up for even though he was healthy.

But Carpenter was undeniably a huge bust at the position he was drafted at, and that's what got me started on Tom Cable's case. If Cable thought that Carpenter had what it took to be an NFL offensive tackle to such a degree that we took him with our first round pick, then something was terribly wrong with his skill as an evaluator.

I got so tired of Cable's drafting philosophy…"This guy can play multiple positions along the OL, so if we phuck up and he doesn't cut it at the spot we think he can play, we can at least save some face by playing him somewhere else."

You may be right. What I do know is that when we needed the yards late in SB49 inside the 10, who did we run behind? Got like 6 yards and should have run the same play but we all know what happened instead. I also know that Justin Smith was a moot point against us that year, too. When he played, we ran behind him a lot. Pass pro sucked, that I'll give you but run blocking was a different story.

[RiverDog]

You may be right. What I do know is that when we needed the yards late in SB49 inside the 10, who did we run behind? Got like 6 yards and should have run the same play but we all know what happened instead. I also know that Justin Smith was a moot point against us that year, too. When he played, we ran behind him a lot. Pass pro sucked, that I'll give you but run blocking was a different story.

Carpenter's run blocking was one dimensional, especially considering that they were trying to fit him into the ZBS. Sure, he could blast a DT off the LOS, but he couldn't take two steps to the second level and block a linebacker. I'll never forget watching from the stands at Houston in 2013 and seeing Brian Cushing just step around Carpenter and stuff Beast in the hole for no gain. That's why he couldn't pass block, because he didn't have the foot quickness and couldn't move laterally. That's how a journeyman like McQuistran beat him out for the starting job later in 2013.

And keep in mind that he was originally projected to be a tackle. Heck, even Nick Saban, no stranger to NFL athletes, expressed surprise that he was taken in the first round. How often does that happen?

[NorthHawk]

That's all on Cable.
For a bust, he's sure carved out a good career.
Oh, and the Jets thought he was one of their better pass blockers, so maybe he was just the wrong fit.

[RiverDog]

That's all on Cable.
For a bust, he's sure carved out a good career.
Oh, and the Jets thought he was one of their better pass blockers, so maybe he was just the wrong fit.

He was a bust at tackle, which was the position he was drafted at.

For us, he was by almost any measure a disappointment. You don't expect a first round draft choice getting beat out by a journeyman and fail to even suit up for a playoff game when he's healthy. The only decent year he had for us was what ended up being his last as a Seahawk when he lost a bunch of weight and started playing for a contract.

But I do agree that he wasn't a good fit for our offense, which just adds more fuel to the fire. From my understanding of the ZBS, you want quick footed, athletic type linemen as they don't always know at the snap which opponent they're blocking, and Carpenter played like he had ankle weights on. So what was it that Cable saw in him?