Clark Traded to Chiefs

[mykc14]

Looks like we get a 1st this year and a 2nd next year. We also exchanged mid-round picks...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... -to-chiefs

[RiverDog]

Well, so much for my prediction!

[c_hawkbob]

On the one hand: Damn, this sucks!

On the other: Sweet!

[Oly]

On the one hand: Damn, this sucks!

On the other: Sweet!

Pretty much. A 1st (granted, a low one) and a 2nd (probably low next year, too) seems like a fair price. I see JS trading the Hawks' natural 1st for a few more picks and restocking. It's good for the team in the long run, but not this year.

[RiverDog]

The swap of this year's 3rd round picks seems like a no never mind. Ours was the #84 overall, the Chiefs #92.

At least that increases the intrigue for us this coming Thursday.

[idhawkman]

Looks like we get a 1st this year and a 2nd next year. We also exchanged mid-round picks...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... -to-chiefs

Kind of thought this was coming when JS signed Marsh and the other DE but wasn't confident enough to predict it. Chief's pick this year is late in the first round but hey, maybe this one will be a good pick.

[NorthHawk]

It also means that next year we could have 12 selections in the draft.

[idhawkman]

Wow! $105M for 5 years (avg of $21M/yr) and $63.5M guaranteed. I don't think we could have withstood that kind of weight. Good for him. good for us. Sign Bwags now.

[idhawkman]

Graphic on ESPN just now showed the 4 highest APY for defensive contracts.

1. Khalil Mack $23.5M
2. Aaron Donald $22.5M
3. Frank Clark $21.1M
4. Demarcus Lawrence $21M

"according to Adam Schefter"

I just don't think we could do that for Clark and I'm not sure he's better than Lawrence but I might be biased since Lawrence went to Boise State.

[Oly]

Wow! $105M for 5 years (avg of $21M/yr) and $63.5M guaranteed. I don't think we could have withstood that kind of weight. Good for him. good for us. Sign Bwags now.

Well said. I love Clark, but he's not as disruptive as the company he's keeping on the salary ranking list.

[NorthHawk]

He has more upside than Lawrence, so he's probably worth slightly more.

[mykc14]

Graphic on ESPN just now showed the 4 highest APY for defensive contracts.

1. Khalil Mack $23.5M
2. Aaron Donald $22.5M
3. Frank Clark $21.1M
4. Demarcus Lawrence $21M

"according to Adam Schefter"

I just don't think we could do that for Clark and I'm not sure he's better than Lawrence but I might be biased since Lawrence went to Boise State.

Clark played well for us but he isn't the 3rd best player in the league. He has been productive on limited snaps but its really hard to justify putting him as a top 3 defensive player in the league.

[RiverDog]

Wow! $105M for 5 years (avg of $21M/yr) and $63.5M guaranteed. I don't think we could have withstood that kind of weight. Good for him. good for us. Sign Bwags now.

Well said. I love Clark, but he's not as disruptive as the company he's keeping on the salary ranking list.

I doubt that we take on Wagner's contract this season due to the risk of injury or a fall off in production.

If you add in the 21M for Clark to the 35M we're paying for Russell, that'd be 30% of the cap for just two players. Even with a lot of hocus pocus, that's going to be damn difficult to manage and still be able to bring in top talent when we have the opportunity. The low first rounder and future second rounder was as good as we were going to get.

Given our lack of draft capital in this season, the first rounder from KC came at a great time.

[jshawaii22]

Since the First Rounder came with no strings...it's a good trade. Damn, we all saw the 'Cap' as a coming issue, but it's now really crimping the team.

[RiverDog]

Since the First Rounder came with no strings...it's a good trade. Damn, we all saw the 'Cap' as a coming issue, but it's now really crimping the team.

Such is life in today's NFL. Although edge rushers like Clark come at a premium, don't be surprised if we are similarly limited next season when it comes time to pay Bobby.

JS and PC are going to have to really polish up their crystal balls and start making their draft picks and sleeper free agent acquisitions count.

[jshawaii22]

I'll add that the 'comments' sections on ESPN and PFT, etc are about 90% in favor of the 'Hawks winning this trade as most don't consider Frank 'elite level' that deserved 20m a year. I think JS/PC saw it the same way.

[idhawkman]

He has more upside than Lawrence, so he's probably worth slightly more.

You may be right but I believe he has a little bit to go to still catch up to Lawrence.

[idhawkman]

I doubt that we take on Wagner's contract this season due to the risk of injury or a fall off in production.

If you add in the 21M for Clark to the 35M we're paying for Russell, that'd be 30% of the cap for just two players. Even with a lot of hocus pocus, that's going to be damn difficult to manage and still be able to bring in top talent when we have the opportunity. The low first rounder and future second rounder was as good as we were going to get.

Given our lack of draft capital in this season, the first rounder from KC came at a great time.

HA! and a bunch of blue smoke, too.

Yeah, I feel pretty good about the draft now. I was watching ESPN and they said we had the fewest picks in this year's draft starting today at 4. After the trade, that gave us like 5 but they are predicting at least 8 picks by the time it is all done. So if JS can turn 4 picks into 8.... Wow.

[idhawkman]

Such is life in today's NFL. Although edge rushers like Clark come at a premium, don't be surprised if we are similarly limited next season when it comes time to pay Bobby.

JS and PC are going to have to really polish up their crystal balls and start making their draft picks and sleeper free agent acquisitions count.

Edge guys are premium but what would it be like to have an interior guy like Donald. That's what I keep hoping for. Someone who can collapse a pocket when the QB is still dropping back would be AWESOME!!!

[idhawkman]

I'll add that the 'comments' sections on ESPN and PFT, etc are about 90% in favor of the 'Hawks winning this trade as most don't consider Frank 'elite level' that deserved 20m a year. I think JS/PC saw it the same way.

Interesting. My CBS sports app dinged my phone with an alert saying the Cheifs went from 4th to 1st in SB Winner odds in Vegas after the trade. We went from 60% chance of making the playoffs to a coin flip at 51%.

I think the vegas guys might be a bit premature on their assessments.

Edited:

Just saw an alert come across the CBS Sports app saying that the Hawks turned down the Jets 3rd overall pick for Clark. Said that we would have had to exchange our first round pick to get their 3rd overall and throw Clark in to boot. I'm kinda glad we passed on that.

[RiverDog]

Just saw an alert come across the CBS Sports app saying that the Hawks turned down the Jets 3rd overall pick for Clark. Said that we would have had to exchange our first round pick to get their 3rd overall and throw Clark in to boot. I'm kinda glad we passed on that.

Obi would have liked that as it may have given us a shot at Bosa.

But when you only have 4 picks, we needed numbers, and keeping our #21 overall and adding KC's #29 plus their 2nd rounder next season made the KC offer a winner.

Having 2 first rounders gives us a lot of options. There's bound to be a player at both those slots that someone will be desperate to slide up and get, so we can afford to be a little coy. As it was, everybody and their dog knew that we were itching to trade the #21 overall. Now, if someone doesn't want to give us what we want for the #21, we can afford to tell them no and wait until #29 to trade down.

[obiken]

Obi would have liked that as it may have given us a shot at Bosa.

Yeah I would have, but we got a good deal for him. I was never sold out on Clark as Riv and CBob were but they are usually right. IF we could could package those picks for someone decent I would be really happy but we wont.

[RiverDog]

Obi would have liked that as it may have given us a shot at Bosa.

Yeah I would have, but we got a good deal for him. I was never sold out on Clark as Riv and CBob were but they are usually right. IF we could could package those picks for someone decent I would be really happy but we wont.

Unless they see a player drop that they really, really like, packaging picks when you only have 5 would not be wise, like putting all your eggs in one basket. It's almost a near certainty that we'll parlay one of those two first round picks into multiple lower round selections. There's too much uncertainty in the draft, and taking more turns at throwing the dice increases your chances on hitting on any given throw.

And speaking for Cbob, neither one of us is "usually right." I had just predicted that our best offer would come from Indy but that we'd probably pass when the news broke of the Clark trade.

[obiken]

I am tired of trading down Riv, when do they make it work? We never fill holes with really good players by trading down. Most of PC's best moves after the first couple of drafts have been in FA. We will not get a WR in this draft, they are not there this year. we might get a good DL later in the first, but not in the late 2nd or 3rd.

[NorthHawk]

There should be some good talent at DL into the 3rd or longer this year because the pool is so deep.
The shortages are at LB, OL, and CB for top tier players, but if we are looking to replace Coleman,
there could be a S that could fit the bill and be a better tackler, too. Some of the Safety Combine
numbers are very interesting with surprising quickness and speed.

This year it could work out to trade down and get a few extra pieces that we wouldn't otherwise
have a chance at. Next year with 12 picks, we could move up for a special player and not really
hurt our chances at good players.

[RiverDog]

I am tired of trading down Riv, when do they make it work? We never fill holes with really good players by trading down. Most of PC's best moves after the first couple of drafts have been in FA. We will not get a WR in this draft, they are not there this year. we might get a good DL later in the first, but not in the late 2nd or 3rd.

I'm not sure what you mean by "make it work", but JS/PC have won a lot more games than they have lost and made the playoffs in 7 of their 9 seasons while going to two SB's, winning one of them. They have achieved that success it in large part due to their philosophy in the draft.

Keep in mind that trading up hasn't always worked out for teams that did it, either. Cleveland traded up to get Johnny Manziel. Denver traded up to get Tim Tebow. And do you know how we ended up with Earl Thomas? Because Tim Ruskell traded down in the first round for Denver's #1 in the following season, of which Pete/JS used to select Earl. The "must have" player that the Broncos traded that pick for was a bust.

I really don't have the time to research which picks we made with those acquired in a trade down, but it's irrelevant anyway. The philosophy is to increase your chances at hitting the jackpot.

[obiken]

Okay, but we pass on Robert Woods and take Richardson, we pass on Fletcher Cox, and trade down. They were going to put Contract negotiations with RW off until next year, till he had had enough and pushed his arbitrary deadline and they just folded. He was done Riv. RW changed the game, Johnny Football, Mayfield, and now Murray have/are going to be taken because they saw that you can have a RW and a bad OL, and get away with it. Imagine IF he had a Julio Jones and an Eagle line to throw behind. IF PC could trade down be able to draft real Offensive talent I could see it, but no he cant. Again, I guess making the playoffs is the new standard. The scariest words out of JS mouth this year is: We will be looking harder than we ever had to UDFA this more than ever!

[jshawaii22]

Here's an interesting take on what we didn't do - Give up Clark + #21 for the 3rd pick in the 2019 Draft. If replacing Clark is a priority, we sure would have one of a few ELITE DT's or a DE instead of a good, but not elite 'players' vs a 5 year ELITE player. Thoughts?

[i]The Seattle Seahawks may have inadvertently created one of the more curious "what if" scenarios of all-time involving their decision to trade defensive end Frank Clark to the Kansas City Chiefs.

On Tuesday, the Seahawks reportedly made a deal to send Clark to the Chiefs for their 2019 first-round pick (29th overall), a 2020 second-round pick and a third-round pick swap which will drop the Seahawks eights spots. While the Seahawks secured a king's ransom for Clark giving them 12 picks next year including their potential compensatory picks and two first-round picks to include in their five total for this weekend's draft festivities; some may argue they passed on a better deal.

According to NFL Network's Mike Garafolo, the Seahawks rejected deals centered around swapping first-round picks including a potential trade landing them the third-overall pick from the New York Jets.

"There were teams up higher in the first-round -- the Jets being one of them -- that didn't want to part with their pick without getting [the Seahawks 21st overall pick] back," Garafolo said Tuesday on NFL Network in the immediate aftermath of the Clark trade. "Well, the Seahawks had four picks total in this draft; they were looking to add to their volume of picks. So sliding up in the first round, yeah there's value in doing that. Now, they have multiple first-round picks. That's multiple bodies for a team that has confidence in its ability to draft players through day three."[/i]

[RiverDog]

Okay, but we pass on Robert Woods and take Richardson, we pass on Fletcher Cox, and trade down. They were going to put Contract negotiations with RW off until next year, till he had had enough and pushed his arbitrary deadline and they just folded. He was done Riv. RW changed the game, Johnny Football, Mayfield, and now Murray have/are going to be taken because they saw that you can have a RW and a bad OL, and get away with it. Imagine IF he had a Julio Jones and an Eagle line to throw behind. IF PC could trade down be able to draft real Offensive talent I could see it, but no he cant. Again, I guess making the playoffs is the new standard. The scariest words out of JS mouth this year is: We will be looking harder than we ever had to UDFA this more than ever!

Obi we can play this "what if" game of "gee, if we'd only done this, that, or the other thing" until our fingers bleed until one of us ends the contest by making a statement like "If your aunt had balls, she'd be your uncle!" We're nothing but a couple of armchair quarterbacks blessed with 20/20 hindsight.

We were going to put RW's contract negotiation off until next year but we folded? Don't think so. There was a huge motivation on both sides to get an extension done before the start of the season. I agree that RW's self imposed deadline was a bit arbitrary, but it worked. We ended up with a deal that both sides can live with and we don't have a huge distraction like we would have had if RW had remained unsigned.

[NorthHawk]

We passed on Fletcher Cox to get Bruce Irvin.
I would have loved to get Cox, too, but if you look at his contract, we wouldn't be able to
pay the others like Wagner or maybe Lockett along with Wilson and Reed so someone
would have had to go.

[NorthHawk]

There were teams up higher in the first-round -- the Jets being one of them -- that didn't want to part with their pick without getting [the Seahawks 21st overall pick] back," Garafolo said Tuesday on NFL Network in the immediate aftermath of the Clark trade. "Well, the Seahawks had four picks total in this draft; they were looking to add to their volume of picks. So sliding up in the first round, yeah there's value in doing that. Now, they have multiple first-round picks. That's multiple bodies for a team that has confidence in its ability to draft players through day three

It's interesting that they didn't take the Jets deal.
I think with the 3rd selection, they might have been able to trade back and get more picks for this year and maybe next year, too while still getting a very good player in the 1st round.
There must have been a reason to not take that trade that isn't well known.

[RiverDog]

There were teams up higher in the first-round -- the Jets being one of them -- that didn't want to part with their pick without getting [the Seahawks 21st overall pick] back," Garafolo said Tuesday on NFL Network in the immediate aftermath of the Clark trade. "Well, the Seahawks had four picks total in this draft; they were looking to add to their volume of picks. So sliding up in the first round, yeah there's value in doing that. Now, they have multiple first-round picks. That's multiple bodies for a team that has confidence in its ability to draft players through day three

It's interesting that they didn't take the Jets deal. I think with the 3rd selection, they might have been able to trade back and get more picks for this year and maybe next year, too while still getting a very good player in the 1st round. There must have been a reason to not take that trade that isn't well known.

IMO the fact that we need an edge rusher and that the draft is supposedly loaded with them, it wouldn't have made sense to pay a large price for one, ie a #3 overall, when we could get a really good one at #21. There doesn't seem to an urge for teams to trade up in this draft as there has been in past ones so we might not have been able to re-trade that #3 overall for as much as we normally would have. I had been expecting Arizona to trade out of the #1 overall, but that's looking more and more unlikely.

[NorthHawk]

I think there are more teams that would like to move up than we know.
With the 3rd pick, we could have traded back to the teens and get some good picks, then
traded back again to get more and maybe still have a 1st round pick.

The Falcons (14) are said to want to trade up into the top 10 and there is talk about
Washington (15) desiring a top QB and Snyder pressuring the FO to get one early.
So there might have been an opportunity to get more picks with that first trade.
But who knows what's really going on...

[c_hawkbob]

We just weren't in the market to move up in the draft. Our objective was to gain draft choices, simple as that.

[NorthHawk]

We just weren't in the market to move up in the draft. Our objective was to gain draft choices, simple as that.

I believe you would get more from a #3 pick than a #21 and/or #29 considering multiple trade downs from #3.