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[NorthHawk]

Yah, I forgot about Jones again.
What will be annoying is watching Ifedi move on and be a very good RT on another team.
People in forums are just too quick to let them (young OL) go if they struggle a little in their first couple of years.

[idhawkman]

I'm not ready to go "leaps and bounds better", but he was much improved. Having a decent guard next to him may account for some of his improvement, but it doesn't help keep him from committing false starts, and he still ranked 3rd in the league in that category last season. I'm OK with him starting, but everything else equal (like injuries), he's definitely the weak link in the group and a position that is a prime candidate for an upgrade.

That's fair. I don't recall complaining about his false starts that much toward the end of last year though. Maybe I'm being a homer but I'm thinking he's going to be a good fit this year. (At least I'm hoping for it in any case.)

[RiverDog]

I'm not ready to go "leaps and bounds better", but he was much improved. Having a decent guard next to him may account for some of his improvement, but it doesn't help keep him from committing false starts, and he still ranked 3rd in the league in that category last season. I'm OK with him starting, but everything else equal (like injuries), he's definitely the weak link in the group and a position that is a prime candidate for an upgrade.

That's fair. I don't recall complaining about his false starts that much toward the end of last year though. Maybe I'm being a homer but I'm thinking he's going to be a good fit this year. (At least I'm hoping for it in any case.)

Last season, Ifedi had 6 false starts in 17 games, tied for 3rd with 2 other players for all positions. That's a lot better than his 2017 flags, in which he had 20 penalties in 16 games, 9 for false starts league highs in both categories. Despite the improvement, he was still the 9th most penalized OT in the league last season, so it's not like the problem has completely gone away.

The one thing that Ifedi has going for him is that he's a returning veteran and has worked with this group, the OL coach, and the OC for a full season now, and as you know, continuity is as important on the OL as any other position group in the game, so I don't think your optimism stems from being an unreasonable homer, rather it's grounded in some very good logic.

[idhawkman]

Last season, Ifedi had 6 false starts in 17 games, tied for 3rd with 2 other players for all positions. That's a lot better than his 2017 flags, in which he had 20 penalties in 16 games, 9 for false starts league highs in both categories. Despite the improvement, he was still the 9th most penalized OT in the league last season, so it's not like the problem has completely gone away.

The one thing that Ifedi has going for him is that he's a returning veteran and has worked with this group, the OL coach, and the OC for a full season now, and as you know, continuity is as important on the OL as any other position group in the game, so I don't think your optimism stems from being an unreasonable homer, rather it's grounded in some very good logic.

I think attributions for the quotes in the last thread were reversed.

So at number 9, that's bottom 1/6th of the league figuring that there are 32 teams and 2 OTs per team. That's much better than being dead last the season before and I don't know how many of those came in the first half vs. second half of the season. That would be interesting info.

[RiverDog]

I think attributions for the quotes in the last thread were reversed.

So at number 9, that's bottom 1/6th of the league figuring that there are 32 teams and 2 OTs per team. That's much better than being dead last the season before and I don't know how many of those came in the first half vs. second half of the season. That would be interesting info.

Here's my source:

http://www.nflpenalties.com/position/of ... ?year=2018

It's a good site with sortable stats for players, teams, season, types of penalties, etc. In summary, Ifedi was horrible by any measure in 2017, significantly better but still room for improvement in 2018.

Of course, penalties aren't the only measure of an OT's worth, but his performance in 2017 was completely unacceptable and was the primary reason why I was so down on him.

There are certain things in life that pi$$ me off, and jumping offside ranks up there with wet toilet paper and smart asses.

[NorthHawk]

Nick Perry DE from the Packers is coming in for a visit.
He's 28 so maybe they see a fit in our Defense for him.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/ ... t-seahawks

[NorthHawk]

They're also talking with Earl Mitchell, DT from the 49ers.
Getting bodies in line for TC would be my guess.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/ ... l-mitchell

[idhawkman]

Here's my source:

http://www.nflpenalties.com/position/of ... ?year=2018

It's a good site with sortable stats for players, teams, season, types of penalties, etc. In summary, Ifedi was horrible by any measure in 2017, significantly better but still room for improvement in 2018.

Of course, penalties aren't the only measure of an OT's worth, but his performance in 2017 was completely unacceptable and was the primary reason why I was so down on him.

There are certain things in life that pi$$ me off, and jumping offside ranks up there with wet toilet paper and smart asses.

yeah, so I was right, he only had one false start in november and one in december. He had 3 in sept. and 1 in oct but went from Oct 7 to Nov 15 without a false start. I have to go look at when FLuker got hurt to see if that had any impact. 3 of the false starts came with Fluker in and 3 when he was out.

Not much else that can be gleened from the stats but it feels like he got much better toward the end of the season. Especially when you consider his first 4 false starts came in the first 5 games. He did add 4 holds and one unsportsmanlike but we don't know what was happening with RW when the holds happened so it is unfair to judge those.

[RiverDog]

yeah, so I was right, he only had one false start in november and one in december. He had 3 in sept. and 1 in oct but went from Oct 7 to Nov 15 without a false start. I have to go look at when FLuker got hurt to see if that had any impact. 3 of the false starts came with Fluker in and 3 when he was out.

Not much else that can be gleened from the stats but it feels like he got much better toward the end of the season. Especially when you consider his first 4 false starts came in the first 5 games. He did add 4 holds and one unsportsmanlike but we don't know what was happening with RW when the holds happened so it is unfair to judge those.

The holding calls, although obviously more impactful, don't bother me as much as the false starts, especially when you have a scrambling quarterback like Russell Wilson compounded by the fact that Russell has had a well known tendency to hold onto the ball too long. Besides, holding calls are much more subjective than false starts. You could call a holding penalty on almost every passing play.

It's the false starts, along with unsportsmanlike and some personal foul penalties, that irritate me the most about an individual player as IMO they are entirely preventable. Ifedi's always been heavily penalized, and last season was the first time in the past 3 years that I've seen some improvement.

Penalties has also been one of my main beefs about Pete's coaching style. His teams are notoriously heavily penalized. Although last season was our best performance in that category (ranked 9th), every single year he's been here we've been in the top 10.

[idhawkman]

The holding calls, although obviously more impactful, don't bother me as much as the false starts, especially when you have a scrambling quarterback like Russell Wilson compounded by the fact that Russell has had a well known tendency to hold onto the ball too long. Besides, holding calls are much more subjective than false starts. You could call a holding penalty on almost every passing play.

It's the false starts, along with unsportsmanlike and some personal foul penalties, that irritate me the most about an individual player as IMO they are entirely preventable. Ifedi's always been heavily penalized, and last season was the first time in the past 3 years that I've seen some improvement.

Penalties has also been one of my main beefs about Pete's coaching style. His teams are notoriously heavily penalized. Although last season was our best performance in that category (ranked 9th), every single year he's been here we've been in the top 10.

Yeah, I was pretty down on Ifedi at the start of last year also. But I saw improvement throughout the season and think (more like hope) he will continue that improvement into this year with more consistency on the OL. That's why I was looking to see if his FS got better, worse or stayed even as the season progressed. I was pleased to see that my impression turned out to be right. He's improving.

[NorthHawk]

In other news, the Seahawks have initiated negotiations with Bobby Wagner.
Apparently he is representing himself, but I hope he gets a fair deal for both.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/ ... sion-talks


And on the lesser news front, CJ Prosise has undergone abdominal surgery.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/ ... s-seahawks

[idhawkman]

In other news, the Seahawks have initiated negotiations with Bobby Wagner.
Apparently he is representing himself, but I hope he gets a fair deal for both.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/ ... sion-talks

I hope he does too but what would that look like? E.g. if the going rate is $10M/yr and a normal agent gets 10% does that mean Bobby could sign for $9M and still be fair?

And on the lesser news front, CJ Prosise has undergone abdominal surgery.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/ ... s-seahawks

I'm shocked!

[NorthHawk]

Apparently Prosise has only gained 129 yards in 2 years. I feel badly for him because he has so much potential
but if you can't get on the field, you can't contribute.
So with Davis gone and Prosise always injured and McKissic coming back from a serious injury, I can see us
looking at another RB in the draft.

[idhawkman]

Apparently Prosise has only gained 129 yards in 2 years. I feel badly for him because he has so much potential
but if you can't get on the field, you can't contribute.
So with Davis gone and Prosise always injured and McKissic coming back from a serious injury, I can see us
looking at another RB in the draft.

Does he REALLY Have that many yards. I'm actually shocked about that.

[RiverDog]

Mychal Kendricks' sentencing hearing was pushed back again. It was scheduled for April 4th, now it could be as late as mid July before we find out about his availability:

Seattle linebacker Kendricks learned that his sentencing hearing for insider trading has been pushed back from April 4th until some time in the future. Kendricks’ hearing with U.S. District Court, Eastern District of Pennsylvania may happen in mid-July now as that is when Kendricks’ co-conspirator, Damilare Sonoiki, is being sentenced. It would make sense to have the two near the same date. This is the second time Kendricks’ hearing has been pushed back as his original hearing was scheduled for late January.

https://12thmanrising.com/2019/03/27/se ... kendricks/

[NorthHawk]

Neiko Thorpe Contract Details:

Neiko Thorpe, DB (Seahawks): One-year, $1MM. $100K signing bonus $850K base (not guaranteed)

Good price for a ST Captain and backup DB.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/ ... s-nfl-2019

[NorthHawk]

Seahawks checking out KaVontae Turpin, WR TCU.
He has a few off field issues, but if he's cleared we might be interested in him late in the draft.
He's really small, though at 5'7" and 156lbs but he's really explosive and a good return man.
Maybe some of the teams see him like another Tyreek Hill type, but not as fast.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/ ... ons-texans

[idhawkman]

Mychal Kendricks' sentencing hearing was pushed back again. It was scheduled for April 4th, now it could be as late as mid July before we find out about his availability:

Seattle linebacker Kendricks learned that his sentencing hearing for insider trading has been pushed back from April 4th until some time in the future. Kendricks’ hearing with U.S. District Court, Eastern District of Pennsylvania may happen in mid-July now as that is when Kendricks’ co-conspirator, Damilare Sonoiki, is being sentenced. It would make sense to have the two near the same date. This is the second time Kendricks’ hearing has been pushed back as his original hearing was scheduled for late January.

https://12thmanrising.com/2019/03/27/se ... kendricks/

Damn! I was really hoping to know if we were going to have him or not before the draft.

[NorthHawk]

The thought that came to my mind was it positively impacted the re-signing of KJ Wright for insurance.
Not having either would be a big blow to the LB corps.

[NorthHawk]

Russell wants a new contract before April 15th if this story can be believed.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... -new-deal/

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/ ... e-contract

[trents]

Putting the Hawk's management on a short leash like this makes me think Wilson is seriously considering jumping ship. It's a "take it or leave it" attitude and he feels he's in a position to call the shots.

[RiverDog]

I'm encouraged by this news, and I hope it's true. It forces both sides to show their hands early, and if Pete and John don't think that we can remain competitive by meeting Russell's demands, then we have plenty of time to explore the possibility of a trade. If they can come to an agreement, then we don't have to go through this daily will-he-or-won't-he Chinese water torture for the next two years.

[trents]

I'm encouraged by this news, and I hope it's true. It forces both sides to show their hands early, and if Pete and John don't think that we can remain competitive by meeting Russell's demands, then we have plenty of time to explore the possibility of a trade. If they can come to an agreement, then we don't have to go through this daily will-he-or-won't-he Chinese water torture for the next two years.

I hope you're right. Playing out that way would be nice as it would avoid the distraction of the drama.

[jshawaii22]

At 17M this year + 30m for the FT in year #1 and 36m in year #2, we have Russell for 81m for 3 years, which is far less then signing him to a 3 year extension @35m a year and probably 100m guaranteed. The only difference is you would have him for 4 years instead of 3.

I think we should look at signing Bobby and Clark now --

[NorthHawk]

I'm not sure your numbers work. I've read other comments that say if he goes the Tag route
it will cost about $110 Million over 3 years, so that would be the starting point of any
negotiations.

But this is part of the dance. The player and Agent try to pressure the team to get the most
and the team will try to drag it out until it's in their best interest and pressure the player.
At some point something might get done this year, but in the last contract, Wilson wanted
it completed before TC, so it remains to be seen if he's of a like mind or determined to
get the most he can even if it means going the FT route.

[NorthHawk]

On another front, this article says the FO wants to extend Jarran Reed this year.
It could set the table for Wilson if he, Wagner, and Clark are all signed, or it could
also restrict what they can pay for Wilson.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2019/ ... arran-reed

[RiverDog]

I think we should look at signing Bobby and Clark now --

Agreed about Clark. He's still relatively young, playing at the peak of his game, and he's currently not under contract. But I'd wait on Bobby as he's a few years older and with a year left on his agreement. I'd rather wait at least until after we resolve Russell's situation so we can determine how much we can afford to pay Bobby.

[NorthHawk]

Back to the Wilson topic, he clarified that if he doesn't get a deal by the 15th, he
will shut down negotiations until after the season but will be at all team activities.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... -workouts/

[c_hawkbob]

Back to the Wilson topic, he clarified that if he doesn't get a deal by the 15th, he
will shut down negotiations until after the season but will be at all team activities.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... -workouts/

Which is basically what he did last negotiation. Difference being he used the beginning of TC as his end date rather than the beginning of off season activities. He's just wanting to maintain his focus on the field.

[NorthHawk]

I suppose that's it, but if the team offered him a contract that covered all of his
wants (excepting the salary is not way above Rodgers contract), he might change
his mind.

[RiverDog]

Back to the Wilson topic, he clarified that if he doesn't get a deal by the 15th, he
will shut down negotiations until after the season but will be at all team activities.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... -workouts/

Which is basically what he did last negotiation. Difference being he used the beginning of TC as his end date rather than the beginning of off season activities. He's just wanting to maintain his focus on the field.

That's one interpretation. Another interpretation that I've seen circulating is that it's part of a power play for Russell to leave the team. In other words, Russell may be trying to flush out the Hawks best offer, and if it's not good enough, then he and the Hawks could start working on a trade.

April 15th is not only prior to team activities, it's 10 days before the draft, more than enough time to work a deal. There's been a lot of speculation about the Giants trading of OBJ, that it was designed to clear cap space and acquire draft capital in order to make a run at Russell. After all, Russell's wife has reportedly indicated her desire to live in the Big Apple.

Now please don't kill the messenger! I am simply pointing out a possibility, I'm not advocating it. My first choice is that we resign Russell.

[Anthony]

That's one interpretation. Another interpretation that I've seen circulating is that it's part of a power play for Russell to leave the team. In other words, Russell may be trying to flush out the Hawks best offer, and if it's not good enough, then he and the Hawks could start working on a trade.

April 15th is not only prior to team activities, it's 10 days before the draft, more than enough time to work a deal. There's been a lot of speculation about the Giants trading of OBJ, that it was designed to clear cap space and acquire draft capital in order to make a run at Russell. After all, Russell's wife has reportedly indicated her desire to live in the Big Apple.

Now please don't kill the messenger! I am simply pointing out a possibility, I'm not advocating it. My first choice is that we resign Russell.

So the team has known since January about the 15th deadline

https://247sports.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/Article/Russell-Wilson-contract-deadline-no-holdout-130846388/

As to the SPECULATION that its a power play, as of now Wilsons team has made it clear they want to be here. Until we hear otherwise there is no reason to worry.

[NorthHawk]

Power play doesn't necessarily mean he wants to leave, rather it means he's putting pressure on the
team to make a deal before they are ready. It's a negotiation strategy, but it also means he's thinking
about going the FT route like Cousins did and he got fully guaranteed $128 Million. The scenario
that played out with Cousins must be part of the thinking between Wilson and his agent.

[RiverDog]

As to the SPECULATION that its a power play, as of now Wilsons team has made it clear they want to be here. Until we hear otherwise there is no reason to worry.

And in the same breath, Russell's also made it clear that he understands that it's a business, which is code for "pay me what I want or I'm gone".

I see myself being in Seattle. I love Seattle, special place for me. I also understand it’s a business world and everything else.”

https://news.yahoo.com/russell-wilson-p ... 52634.html

[RiverDog]

Power play doesn't necessarily mean he wants to leave, rather it means he's putting pressure on the
team to make a deal before they are ready. It's a negotiation strategy, but it also means he's thinking
about going the FT route like Cousins did and he got fully guaranteed $128 Million. The scenario
that played out with Cousins must be part of the thinking between Wilson and his agent.

That's just it. In layman's terms, it's "either #### or get off the toilet."

I'm actually glad he's doing this. I want this issue resolved one way or another before the season. The last thing I want is to go through several seasons of uncertainty.

[jshawaii22]

I'm not sure your numbers work. I've read other comments that say if he goes the Tag route
it will cost about $110 Million over 3 years, so that would be the starting point of any
negotiations.

But this is part of the dance. The player and Agent try to pressure the team to get the most
and the team will try to drag it out until it's in their best interest and pressure the player.
At some point something might get done this year, but in the last contract, Wilson wanted
it completed before TC, so it remains to be seen if he's of a like mind or determined to
get the most he can even if it means going the FT route.

Two different thoughts on this. His salary is 17+ million this year, but he CAP # is around $25m, so RW has 3 or 4 years of probable 'cost' that depends on if you use the 17m or the 25m as the basis for the franchise tag and I don't have a clue which way it works.

[mykc14]

Two different thoughts on this. His salary is 17+ million this year, but he CAP # is around $25m, so RW has 3 or 4 years of probable 'cost' that depends on if you use the 17m or the 25m as the basis for the franchise tag and I don't have a clue which way it works.

If he takes the F-Tag route his cap hit over the next three years would be (about) 25, 30, and then 36... a 3rd F-Tag would be like 52 mil.

[NorthHawk]

Approximately $25 Million is his contracted salary.
If he goes the Tag route, he would get about another $27 Million, the next Tag would be $31 Million, then about $52 Million.
Those are the figures they are probably working with on the players side so they are probably looking at $110 Million in
guarantees even though no team would pay $52 Million in this Cap era. The team is looking at things a lot differently
and that's where the negotiations get difficult.
Remember, these are just starting points in what sometimes are long discussions.

[NorthHawk]

Sehawks signed Cassius Marsh to a 1 year deal.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... year-deal/

[RiverDog]

Sehawks signed Cassius Marsh to a 1 year deal.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... year-deal/

Marsh was one of those guys we discussed earlier that JS drafted but never really panned out. Hopefully his second tour will be a little better than his first.