Impeachment?

[Hawktawk]

When the semi senile 150 yr old Orrin Hatch who has called Drumpf the "best president in history has to back off his "I don't care " statement to say nobody is above the law there's trouble brewing for DJT unlike any president since Nixon. Marco rubio made it clear he's a yes vote. Rob Portman has said he will not go on the record until the Mueller report is released. Mitt Romney, he's in, bank on it. Susan Collins? Lisa Murkowski? I think it will get so bad really soon that there's going to be a high probability he's removed from office and possibly imprisoned. And anyone looking for the SCOTUS to bail him out might pay attention to one Mr John Roberts who publicly rebuked Trump for criticizing judges and seems to have become the swing vote lost when the drunk rapist joined the court.

John Edwards, prosecuted by the justice dept of his own party was acquitted on some charges and hung jury on others meaning a certain number of jurors obviously felt he was guilty but there was NO EVIDENCE TO PROVE the payments were made to influence an election rather than hide the affair from his cancer stricken wife.

Here we have a guy who was in the room over a year before the election with David Pecker and Cohen discussing how to silence women BECAUSE HE WAS THINKING ABOUT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. Edwards was busted early in the campaign or he may have been president but his career was destroyed by these allegations and he never sniffed being the nominee of his party.Oh Yes and Bannon said in an interview shortly after being dumped "there's a hundred women"

Trump pulled the ripcord on these payments TWO WEEKS before the general election following the access hollywood tape. Anyone who thinks he isn't in some peril of being impeached or even indicted strictly on these felonies he clearly committed is whistling in the graveyard. His attorney who had thousands of documents and ten plus cell phones seized by the FBI got 3 years after cooperating with 2 separate inquiries investigating 6 or 7 potential violations of various laws.

And as Trump supporter and Mueller critic Alan Dershowitz said on Faux last week he expects Mueller's report to be "devastating".

I've said for months its going to be so much worse than what's in the public domain and we already have a secret meeting in Trump tower that Trump was almost certainly aware of, a phony press release lying about the purpose of the meeting dictated by trump on subject oops I mean air force one. We have him on tape asking from the campaign stump if Russia can find the Emails. Hes on tape repeatedly praising Wikileaks whose founder Assange would be jailed for espionage if he ever sat foot on us soil. The list goes on and on and that doesn't even include the Kompromat Putin clearly has on him. There's almost certain money laundering over decades, the lies about Trump tower moscow. There's the depraved careless idiot being captured on film in a Tryst with russian hookers playing aquatic games in the Moscow ritz carlton in 2013 during the miss universe pageant.ID Hawkman If you're reading this and want to debate why I think it's true bring it on..

This might well be the first president ever sent to the lockup because in his heart Pence detests him as he is the antithesis of everything Pence has stood for his whole life.Would he pardon a felonious morally bankrupt traitor?

Pences stone faced silence as Trump and the Dems made utter jackasses out of themselves in the oval office on national TV tells me all I need to know about how he feels about the $#1+ show.

I'll say it one more time Trumptard zombie army. Its not about Killary anymore. Its trump or Mike Pence.....That's an easy choice for this lifetime conservative.

[Hawktawk]

I both agree and disagree. Yes, I agree that the Dems risk a backlash if they go after Trump and don't get him. They saw what happened to House Republicans that pushed the Clinton impeachment. That's why most Dems don't want to talk about impeachment and have chosen to keep their powder dry until Mueller is done with his investigation. However, some Dems can't help talking impeachment as the media is singing it and many of their constituents are overly anxious.

But as far as accomplishing anything in the next year, the Dems only control one legislative body, so the onus is on the R's to "get something done." IMO nothing gets done, which is fine by me.

Clinton got impeached by an overzealous congress for lying about a consensual sexual affair during an investigation of a land deal gone wrong. I think the American people and the Dems in the senate could look past that and yes the Repubs got hammered in the next cycle.

DJT is so much sleazier than Clinton or even Nixon its apples and oranges. Hes under investigation for every aspect of his private and public life basically. He could wind up guilty of ten felonies.

Besides Clinton was a relatively popular president,glib and funny, an excellent public speaker, the economy was improving, budgets were getting balanced etc. Trump inherited one of the longest economic expansions in history and what's being called the longest bull market in history. Well the market is getting pounded, officially entering correction territory last friday. Housing starts are slowing dramatically. the deficit is exploding.Auto sales are dropping. Job numbers are still good but many other sectors are struggling.If the economy which is the only thing keeping Trump in the 40% range goes farther south its over for him.

[RiverDog]

Clinton got impeached by an overzealous congress for lying about a consensual sexual affair during an investigation of a land deal gone wrong. I think the American people and the Dems in the senate could look past that and yes the Repubs got hammered in the next cycle.

Clinton got impeached because he lied in a court of law while he was under oath.

DJT is so much sleazier than Clinton or even Nixon its apples and oranges. Hes under investigation for every aspect of his private and public life basically. He could wind up guilty of ten felonies.

Agreed.

Besides Clinton was a relatively popular president,glib and funny, an excellent public speaker, the economy was improving, budgets were getting balanced etc. Trump inherited one of the longest economic expansions in history and what's being called the longest bull market in history. Well the market is getting pounded, officially entering correction territory last friday. Housing starts are slowing dramatically. the deficit is exploding.Auto sales are dropping. Job numbers are still good but many other sectors are struggling.If the economy which is the only thing keeping Trump in the 40% range goes farther south its over for him.

I'm not as generous to Clinton with regards to the economy. Keep in mind that the R's had a majority in both houses during 6 of Clinton's 8 years. I'll always ask my Clinton supporter friends what specific actions was it that Clinton took that helped the economy and they can't point to a damn thing.

But I do agree with you in general that if the economy goes south that Trump's going to get the blame, and it won't help his chances to get through the next two years w/o being impeached.

[Hawktawk]

Good point on the economy under Clinton . It was what’s called “bipartisanship” Clinton was pragmatic enough after being trounced in the midterm by the contract with America he adopted what were primarily republican ideas such as welfare reform and fiscal sanity balancing budgets .

Presidents are like qb s though in many ways . When things are good they get too much credit and when they are bad they get most of the blame. The success policy wise got Clinton re-elected and helped him weather the lewinsky scandal.

[Aseahawkfan]

Bills originate in the lower chamber so the house has to pass bills, if they don't the Repubs will have a huge sledge hammer to hit them with in the next election.

If the president is impeached, the Republicans will have to engage in damage control as well. Trump is under heavy attack. We're all just waiting to see what they finally land on to try to impeach him. Mueller is exceptionally quiet. It's reaching the point of annoyance.

Trump was a serious dumbass who deserves all he gets for continuing his businesses while in office. Arrogant and ignorant men like Trump deserve all they get as do their followers.

[idhawkman]

I'm not as generous to Clinton with regards to the economy. Keep in mind that the R's had a majority in both houses during 6 of Clinton's 8 years. I'll always ask my Clinton supporter friends what specific actions was it that Clinton took that helped the economy and they can't point to a damn thing.

But I do agree with you in general that if the economy goes south that Trump's going to get the blame, and it won't help his chances to get through the next two years w/o being impeached.

I can tell you exactly what Clinton did to the economy in the 90s - he crashed it!

George H.W. Bush deregulated DARPANet which was the genesis of the Internet. The defense department had built a nationwide network that connected their military and government offices together. I remember emailing over it in the late 80s and you had to have a very high security clearance and a per email authorization to use it. When H.W. Bush deregulated it and allowed Sprint, AT&T and MCI to connect into the network it gave rise to companies like Cisco Systems, Microsoft and home computing took off, Netscape, modem companies, local carriers, Oracle and database companies and so much more took off in what was the next revolution in the U.S. (Like the Agriculture boom, the industrial revolution, etc). Clinton ruined that economy by issuing a massive amount of H1B visas to foreign countries to send their students here to learn the technology and then take it back to China, Japan, India, Israel and so many others. Tell me if you remember Clinton saying that it was okay for manufacturing jobs to go overseas because we'd be replacing them with higher paying technical jobs here in the U.S. Now we hire almost exclusively foreigners for the high tech jobs because they will work cheaper than our own citizens.

Once the Internet wave got started, it took until 2001 for it to crash which also coincided with the US being attacked and then funding wars.

That's what happened to the Bush/Clinton/Bush economies.

[idhawkman]

Trump was a serious dumbass who deserves all he gets for continuing his businesses while in office. Arrogant and ignorant men like Trump deserve all they get as do their followers.

There's so much wrong with this statement I'm not sure it warrants comment but then I think you might actually believe this crap.

1. He did not continue his business when in office. Once elected he turned everything over to his son. most politicians have their stock portfolios in a blind trust. Same effect. He has no operational daily involvement in his real estate business and if he had it would be all over the news from leaked intel sources and you know it. He's not going to violate that by getting involved in the daily operation of his old business.

2. He did run his business as a candidate though. Nothing wrong with that since he had no government influence until the election showed who won.

So I'm curious, which fake news outlet told you he was running his business while in office?

[RiverDog]

If the president is impeached, the Republicans will have to engage in damage control as well. Trump is under heavy attack. We're all just waiting to see what they finally land on to try to impeach him. Mueller is exceptionally quiet. It's reaching the point of annoyance.

Trump was a serious dumbass who deserves all he gets for continuing his businesses while in office. Arrogant and ignorant men like Trump deserve all they get as do their followers.

Yup. As Idahawk has bragged about repeatedly, it's now Trump's party....unless they can't act on something like replacing Obama Care, then it's the old guard's party.

Sounds like he was conducing business on his Trump Tower project in Moscow right up until the election. Previously they had told us that they ceased talks in January of 2016:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/16/politics ... index.html

Just one more issue where Trump and his boys keep moving the goal posts.

[idhawkman]

Yup. As Idahawk has bragged about repeatedly, it's now Trump's party....unless they can't act on something like replacing Obama Care, then it's the old guard's party.

Hey don't blame me for taking advantage of your silly statements about Trump having nothing to do with the overturning of the law. I just used it because of your refusal to acknowledge the truth. Sometimes you have to point out the absurd by being absurd which is what I did. Glad you came around now.

Sounds like he was conducing business on his Trump Tower project in Moscow right up until the election. Previously they had told us that they ceased talks in January of 2016:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/16/politics ... index.html

Just one more issue where Trump and his boys keep moving the goal posts.

Oh for Chrissakes River, did you even read that article before posting it. How did Trump's story change? It was Cohen's story that changed where he thought he was protecting the president and lying on his behalf. That's all on Cohen and no reflection on Trump changing his story.

When Cohen pleaded guilty to a charge from Mueller's office last month, he said he lied about Trump's knowledge of the proposed Moscow project. He had previously claimed such discussions ended in January 2016 -- ahead of the formal start of the primaries. But in his admission of guilt, Cohen called the previous statement a lie on Trump's behalf.
Prosecutors said Cohen discussed the proposed project with Trump on more than the three occasions he had previously mentioned.

[Hawktawk]

A prominent fox contributing attorney said on FOX that DJT can absolutely be indicted simply based on the campaign finance felonies he’s nailed dead to rights on and that there may be already a sealed indictment waiting for his departure from office . Smell the coffee trumpies

[RiverDog]

Sounds like he was conducing business on his Trump Tower project in Moscow right up until the election. Previously they had told us that they ceased talks in January of 2016:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/16/politics ... index.html

Just one more issue where Trump and his boys keep moving the goal posts.

Oh for Chrissakes River, did you even read that article before posting it. How did Trump's story change? It was Cohen's story that changed where he thought he was protecting the president and lying on his behalf. That's all on Cohen and no reflection on Trump changing his story.

For crissakes yourself! Who in the hell was Cohen working for back in 2016? That is a falsehood that came directly out of the Trump camp, and as the man at the top, Trump is directly responsible for any false information that resulted. It's just one more example as to why you can't trust a single thing that Trump says on any subject, because he either has people lying for him, is intentionally lying himself, or he doesn't know and makes chit up.

Either way, he's directly responsible for everything that comes out of those paid mouths of his, whether they be true or false.

[idhawkman]

A prominent fox contributing attorney said on FOX that DJT can absolutely be indicted simply based on the campaign finance felonies he’s nailed dead to rights on and that there may be already a sealed indictment waiting for his departure from office . Smell the coffee trumpies

Which attorney? You are probably talking about Judge Napalitano who is basing his comments on what the judge in the Cohen sentencing case last week. Just because Cohen pleaded guilty to a charge that was not a crime doesn't mean Trump is guilty of the same non-crime. Please for the love of God quit jumping to conclusions of which have no basis.

[idhawkman]

For crissakes yourself! Who in the hell was Cohen working for back in 2016?

Are you really arguing that if an employee commits a felony that the boss is guilty of that felony, too? If so, every CEO of a company with more than 10,000 employees would be in jail. Your hypothesis is bunk!

That is a falsehood that came directly out of the Trump camp, and as the man at the top, Trump is directly responsible for any false information that resulted.

Again, please consider what you are saying here. Cohen was selling infulence to the President, too. Was the president responsible for that too?

It's just one more example as to why you can't trust a single thing that Trump says on any subject, because he either has people lying for him, is intentionally lying himself, or he doesn't know and makes chit up.

No matter how many times you try to say that "the devil made me do it" it just isn't a good defense for Cohen. This is a ridiculous argument that would never be defensible. Trump didn't make Cohen lie. As an officer of the court, Cohen knows better.

Either way, he's directly responsible for everything that comes out of those paid mouths of his, whether they be true or false.

Thank goodness you are not a lawyer as you would starve in very short order with arguments like this.

[RiverDog]

[Are you really arguing that if an employee commits a felony that the boss is guilty of that felony, too?

If he did it in the name of his employer and his employer had knowledge of it and knew it was illegal, then yes, of course.

No matter how many times you try to say that "the devil made me do it" it just isn't a good defense for Cohen. This is a ridiculous argument that would never be defensible. Trump didn't make Cohen lie. As an officer of the court, Cohen knows better.

I'm not defending Cohen. He broke the law and he's going to have to pay for it. I am implicating Trump. He's the one that's behind the curtains throwing levers and pushing buttons. Cohen's relationship to Trump is not much different than John Dean's relationship to Richard Nixon.

Either way, he's directly responsible for everything that comes out of those paid mouths of his, whether they be true or false.

Thank goodness you are not a lawyer as you would starve in very short order with arguments like this.

Look who's calling the kettle black! Aren't you the one that said they wouldn't pin a thing on Manafort? I'd consult Barney Fife for legal advice before I'd consult you.

[c_hawkbob]

"If he did it in the name of his employer and his employer had knowledge of it and knew it was illegal *and directed him to do it*, then yes, of course"

[RiverDog]

"If he did it in the name of his employer and his employer had knowledge of it and knew it was illegal *and directed him to do it*, then yes, of course"

Thank you.

[idhawkman]

If he did it in the name of his employer and his employer had knowledge of it and knew it was illegal, then yes, of course.

Ahhhh, that's the key. None of this is true in this case about Trump knowing. But don't let me point out the obvious with the first word of your response.

I'm not defending Cohen. He broke the law and he's going to have to pay for it. I am implicating Trump. He's the one that's behind the curtains throwing levers and pushing buttons. Cohen's relationship to Trump is not much different than John Dean's relationship to Richard Nixon.

Allegations without proof. You should fit right in with the folks who attacked Kavenaugh.

Look who's calling the kettle black! Aren't you the one that said they wouldn't pin a thing on Manafort? I'd consult Barney Fife for legal advice before I'd consult you.

Good luck, Barney not only is a fictional character but he''s also dead.

Seriously, the Manafort issue is not over yet. When and if he does get his sentence it will be for crap that happened more than 10 years before he worked with Trump on his campaign and mostly for what he did with the Podesta group which you know is more aligned with the dems.

[Hawktawk]

In light of crazy orange witch’s actions the past few days we may want to revisit the strength of his senate firewall from an almost certain house impeachment vote at some point in the next two years. My guess is the day the mueller report is read. Senate republicans were already pissed about kaschoggis brutal murder and trumps complicity. Then he tweets out our withdrawal from Syria with absolutely no consultation with his administration, same for a drawdown in Afghanistan . Both moves drew condemnation from Republican Senators . Vlad putin said he completely agrees with “Donald”.

Then the BOMBSHELL resignation of Mattis accompanied by an expertly crafted letter eviscerating Trump and his anti American delusional dictator coddling buffoonery. This led Mitch McConnell to draft a letter to Trump expressing his “dismay “ with Mattis resigning and that it was in response to “sharp disagreements on foreign policy “ and mentioning that “ Russia is not our ally”. Maybe these troglodytes in the senate are beginning to realize that the security of the world is more important then winning an election. When mueller releases his report proving conspiracy with Russia I believe Trumps goose is cooked assuming his meat head non recused acting AG or Barr who is another ringer can’t totslly squish it.

[Hawktawk]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/21/politics ... index.html And this is the partisan meathead he thought was surely there to protect him. YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID.

[Aseahawkfan]

In light of crazy orange witch’s actions the past few days we may want to revisit the strength of his senate firewall from an almost certain house impeachment vote at some point in the next two years. My guess is the day the mueller report is read. Senate republicans were already pissed about kaschoggis brutal murder and trumps complicity. Then he tweets out our withdrawal from Syria with absolutely no consultation with his administration, same for a drawdown in Afghanistan . Both moves drew condemnation from Republican Senators . Vlad putin said he completely agrees with “Donald”.

Then the BOMBSHELL resignation of Mattis accompanied by an expertly crafted letter eviscerating Trump and his anti American delusional dictator coddling buffoonery. This led Mitch McConnell to draft a letter to Trump expressing his “dismay “ with Mattis resigning and that it was in response to “sharp disagreements on foreign policy “ and mentioning that “ Russia is not our ally”. Maybe these troglodytes in the senate are beginning to realize that the security of the world is more important then winning an election. When mueller releases his report proving conspiracy with Russia I believe Trumps goose is cooked assuming his meat head non recused acting AG or Barr who is another ringer can’t totslly squish it.

Two years wouldn't matter unless he won re-election. If Mueller waits two more years, he wasted the American peoples' time and money. He had better have something early next year or Trump does need to fire him and his team. I don't care how much I dislike Trump, you don't just keep spending money fishing until you find something that will stick. No one would withstand that type of scrutiny. Mueller needs to get this trial rolling or Trump will be at the end of his term and Mueller will have accomplished absolutely nothing.

[RiverDog]

Two years wouldn't matter unless he won re-election. If Mueller waits two more years, he wasted the American peoples' time and money. He had better have something early next year or Trump does need to fire him and his team. I don't care how much I dislike Trump, you don't just keep spending money fishing until you find something that will stick. No one would withstand that type of scrutiny. Mueller needs to get this trial rolling or Trump will be at the end of his term and Mueller will have accomplished absolutely nothing.

Actually they've netted more money from the tax cheats they've exposed than they've spent on the investigation:

According to the analysis by the financial magazine Fortune, while the special counsel’s investigation over its first 16 months spent approximately $25 million, Mueller’s investigators will recover roughly $48 million in unpaid taxes and other assets from the tax fraud they have exposed.

https://www.inquisitr.com/5213408/rober ... raud-cost/

It's perhaps the most profitable investigation of its type since they started doing this kind of stuff, so who cares if they spend another 2 years cleaning up some of this filth that swirls around Trump?

However, I've heard some speculate that the reason why they've gotten into the sentencing phase for their witnesses is that they've gotten what they wanted and are wrapping things up, so hopefully he'll be ready to release his report soon.

[Hawktawk]

Aseahawk you misunderstood what I meant . I believe trump will be impeached by the house sometime within the next two years, something most analysts believe by the way. I think it will be shortly after the release of the devastating comprehensive damning mueller report. Reports are it could be released in feb. in fact everything from the business to the campaign to the administration to the inauguration to the foundation is under criminal investigation by state and federal authorities. It is clear trump and likely his kids goose is cooked unless the senate is willing to be complicit in the most corrupt administration in history . As my above link shows not even the anti mueller meathead Whittaker appears to be interfering in the investigation. It’s going to be all about the senate and maybe the SCOTUS as it is reported the SDNY prosecutors would INDICT DJT RIGHT NOW if their federal supervisors would allow them to. This isn’t going to get better no matter how loud the trumptards whistle in the graveyard . Getting elected is going to prove to be the worst thing that ever happened to this criminal.

[burrrton]

I believe trump will be impeached by the house sometime within the next two years, something most analysts believe by the way.

It only requires a simple majority, so that's not a very bold prediction. I think it's a virtual certainty (regardless of how many votes they think they'll have in the Senate).

I also think it will be a *terrible* idea unless they have something a lot more serious than what we've heard about so far. It's going to tear this country in two.

[idhawkman]

It does only take a simple majority but I think there are 40 some odd dems that largely campaigned on being more aligned with Trump than with Maxine who won't want to cast that vote or their tenure in the legislature will be a short 2 years. So I don't even see it in the HOuse unless something huge drops.

I also don't see much coming out of the Mueller report because the acting AG will first review the report before submitting it to the president and the public. Most people missed that he has been cleared to oversee the Mueller probe by the ethics committee. I'm pretty sure that has a huge impact on why Mueller may end his witch hunt more than anything else. Also, I don't think his chances get any better of expanding the scope if the new (nominated) AG gets approved and assumes the roll either.

But hey, it has to be a bad week for Trump, right? Nobody is reporting this kind of stuff are they?

[burrrton]

It does only take a simple majority but I think there are 40 some odd dems that largely campaigned on being more aligned with Trump than with Maxine who won't want to cast that vote or their tenure in the legislature will be a short 2 years. So I don't even see it in the HOuse unless something huge drops.

You might be right, but I think too few people are able to process reality in a rational manner anymore. As such, I'm not sure "this may get me voted out of office" will be enough to suppress the urge to dunk on Trump.

[idhawkman]

You might be right, but I think too few people are able to process reality in a rational manner anymore. As such, I'm not sure "this may get me voted out of office" will be enough to suppress the urge to dunk on Trump.

True, but many of those 40 knew that if they campaigned on being against Trump they wouldn't win this time around so I'm sure we are talking about the more intelligent 40 when talking about this group.

[Hawktawk]

[quote="burrrton"]

I also think it will be a *terrible* idea unless they have something a lot more serious than what we've heard about so far. It's going to tear this country in two

Trump is already an unindicted co conspirator in a dead to rights campaign finance violation that has netted his attorney 3 years behind bars. There is enough already in the public domain to make it clear he colluded with Russia . His CFO Alan Weismann has taken an immunity agreement to likely provide the evidence of money laundering with Russia some aspects of which are already in the public domain as well. I’m not sure what more evidence you need to show this mans presudency is in great peril. As for the country being torn in 2 it already is and has been for quite a while . Actually it’s not quite in 2. It’s 62 % he’s Lying about Russia to 33 he isn’t with 5% undecided so there is hope after all. It’s not about killary folks . It’s about Pence. We will be just fine when he’s in the crowbar hotel.

[Hawktawk]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... ence-conc/


Things that make you go HMMM. Assuming this reporting is correct who on earth would take a nude selfie that would be of interest to the special counsel? How would it influence national security? Russian Hooker in the Moscow Ritz Carlton presidential suite maybe?

Add to that the reports this week that Michael Cohen's cell phone pinged off a cell tower near Prague in 2016, somewhere he denied ever being and also reports of intercepts of russian operatives discussing his presence for the purpose of setting up possible payments to russian hackers and there are many aspects of the infamous Steele Dossier POSSIBLY coming together. It's all speculative and a big IF but if half of it is true Trump will be impeached and removed from office.

[RiverDog]

It does only take a simple majority but I think there are 40 some odd dems that largely campaigned on being more aligned with Trump than with Maxine who won't want to cast that vote or their tenure in the legislature will be a short 2 years. So I don't even see it in the HOuse unless something huge drops.

You keep referring to Trump as if he has Reagan-type popularity. He doesn't. He lost the popular vote in the election, his unpopularity rating is the highest since they started tracking it, and his job approval has never been above 50%. Especially considering that 2019 is not an election year, there is NO Dem pol that is afraid of Trump.

But I do agree with you that the House won't make a serious move on impeachment unless something really heavy comes out of the Mueller report, heavy enough to influence a good number of R's.

[idhawkman]

You keep referring to Trump as if he has Reagan-type popularity. He doesn't. He lost the popular vote in the election, his unpopularity rating is the highest since they started tracking it, and his job approval has never been above 50%. Especially considering that 2019 is not an election year, there is NO Dem pol that is afraid of Trump.

But I do agree with you that the House won't make a serious move on impeachment unless something really heavy comes out of the Mueller report, heavy enough to influence a good number of R's.

You may have forgotten River but I haven't. Reagan wasn't popular until he was out of office and died. Same with H.W. Bush.

the biggest landslide of a presidential race was won by just 17 million more votes than the opponent. There are somewhere between 22 and 44 Million illegal immigrants at this point. Here's a good video that explains what this whole popular vote is all about.

I know you probably won't watch this but here it is anyways. https://www.facebook.com/prageru/videos/743758439332563/

This explains why the dems don't want any permanent structure for border security. Instead they only want technology (which undoubtedly will be shut off once the next progressive president is elected) and personnel (CBP agents) which is undoubtedly be reduced when the next progressive is elected. The only thing that will still be standing is the wall - a physical barrier.

I know people say, "walls don't work" but in reality they actually do. Many say you can just get a ladder 1 foot taller than the wall but have you ever climbed a 20 or 30 foot ladder? I bet you wouldn't want to jump off the top of that barrier when you got there either. Not to mention the slats won't have a solid anchor point at the top of that ladder to lean the ladder against. If nothing else, it will prevent any bum rushes like they did to Mexico when the last caravan invaded their southern border.

[Hawktawk]

There has never been a president more deserving of impeachment than this one and its not a close call. Of course there is no way he would ever be removed from office as the bobblehead sycophants in the Senate have utterly sold their souls to the altar of king trump. But it's the only constitutional remedy for an utterly lawless, obstructionist colluder with our greatest geopolitical foe. It's obviously all about politics for both parties. Republicans are reported to be privately aghast at Trump, his attitude towards the rule of law, russia and other dictators etc but are publicly unwilling to say so and in fact say the exact opposite to avoid being primaried by the raging trumptard fanatic base.

Democratic politicians want to do it but are held back by Pelosi and an uncertainty about the effect on the voting public at large and what it might mean for them in 2020.

Note to the republican or should I say Trumptardican party. I have been a reliable straight ticket republican voter since 1978 when i was first eligible to vote. You have lost me forever. I will never support any republican as long as I live who has not stood up to this president. Its a short list. Im rooting for Weld to gain some traction and I think an impeachment trial might give him some traction. A Justin Amash third party run as a libertarian is also attractive to me but as for this party in general from the local to the state to the federal level I will not ever support anyone who has endorsed Trump or accomodated him in any way and I'll do my homework...enjoy your moment in the fake sun known as Trump world because nightfall is coming one day and it will be dark for your party for a long time when it gets here.

Note to the Democrats and especially Nancy Pelosi. I voted for some of you in 2018 for the first time in my life. I didn't do it because of medicare for everyone or the new green deal or health coverage for illegals or.....I voted for you to hold Donald Trump accountable.

The Mueller report is out. Its clear he colluded with Russia and continues to run interference for them. Its clear he attempted ten separate times to impede and obstruct the investigation into collusion with our greatest geopolitical foe. Maybe Collusion is not a legal term as Bob Mueller said in his testimony but it is still "unpatriotic" as Mueller agreed and its impeachable. IMO standing next to Putin in Helsinki and saying "I have no reason to believe he did" interfere in our elections while casting the heros in our intelligence agencies under the bus was flat out treasonous. We dont even need to get into the unindicted co conspirator stuff with Cohen and the porn stars. He's worthy of impeachment 1000 times over .

Your little game of trying to just subpoena a bunch of witnesses while this white house and their criminal justice department laughs and ignores your constitutional mandate of oversight is not working.

They are playing 4 corner stall. Why do you think they are doing that? Because they know it would be POLITICALLY DEVASTATING to an already weak unpopular president to have the likes of Don McGann, Hope Hicks, Corey Lewandowski, Dan Coates etc, describing this presidents behavior to the american people on live TV, to have expert counterintelligence and FBI witnesses bringing this sordid story to life night after night and it's not about lying over a blow job.Trump's head might actually explode which would be fun to watch and his fingers would fall off from all the tweeting for sure. It would be like shining a flashlight on an adderall snorting cockroach.It would be must see TV

Nearly 70 % of your democratic constituents want it. It was a big part of what drove a midterm record 60 million plus voters to the polls to vote for democrats last November. You can dance around the edges trying to hold your house majority but if the base doesn't get what they want you might lose it anyway. History is watching and will judge you much as history will judge and has in many ways already judged the worst, most corrupt unfit occupant in the history of the presidency. Just do it.

IMPEACH NOW.

[Hawktawk]

https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/busine ... 146359.php

Another example of the stonewalling and corrupt attacks on the constitution and rule of law by Trump.

[Hawktawk]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/election-s ... committee/
This president calls this a "hoax". His bobblehead Moscow Mitch McConnell blocked 3 pieces of legislation designed to stop interference in our elections by foreign actors just a few hours after this report was released and a day after Bob Mueller said he's afraid this stuff is the "new normal" and that Russians are attacking our voting systems "as we sit here".

I guess if I was a president languishing at 45% in the polls with a booming economy I wouldn't want to cut off my eastern bloc voters either. Mitch may need a few in kentucky too.....


Beam me up scotty

[Hawktawk]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... ar-AAESdxL

Lost in the fixation over Mueller's frail appearance and halting delivery etc is that he did make plenty of news, none more noteworthy than this tidbit. Trump couldn't even tell the truth in writing with his attorneys doing the writing. Mueller was WAY too easy on him frankly. Isn't this perjury?

Impeachment worthy?
Of course

[Aseahawkfan]

Hawktawk,

You are going to be very sad if Trump wins re-election. You keep up impeachment talk, yet nothing new was found. If this was more impeachment worthy than any president in history, it would have been done by now. What you don't seem to want to accept is that nearly everything Trump has done is business as usual in Washington.

Just like you continue to make excuses for Hilary employing a foreign agent to build a file to use against Trump that employed Russian intelligence on Trump obtained from where? Russian agents? How is that not exactly what Trump is accused of doing? You keep on making excuses because you don't really want a just or clear government. You just hate Trump and keep on smashing on it ignoring the corrupt behavior of other politicians.

We'll see how much America agrees with you come election time. I know I'm not voting for Trump. I don't like the guy. But the reality is I see the Democrats as equally corrupt abusing their power by using the FBI to investigate and manufacture a collusion charge that did not happen and a obstruction charge based on the unchargeable collusion investigation. That's abuse of power. I wonder how many Americans see what the Dems as doing as corrupt as well. I know I sure do.

Dems are very corrupt. Their candidate was compiling a file of information used to construct a collusion investigation from Russian sources as via British spy using his connections. A Democratic President oked an investigation against an opposing candidate based on the information received from a former British spy using Russian contacts for information and handing it over to the F.B.I. to use against an opponent. It's the pseudo-legal means to Watergate someone.

I'm not snookered by the Dems BS moves like you. Fact is we're seeing how very corrupt the entire government is and what they can do to any citizen that tries to stand against their viewpoint. It's pure political war BS. It's infuriating on all sides. I wish we had someone that could push through this trash to get our government right again. We need a modern George Washington and The Founders to get all these creeps out of Washington D.C. and restore power to the people.

[idhawkman]

What a week for Trump! Win - Win - Win and Win again.

1. Win 1 - the Dems demise in the Mueller hearings. I could say that those two were win 1a and 1b.

2. Win 2 - GDP growth at 2.1% in Q2 beating all expectations.

3. Win 3 - Supreme court ruling in favor of Trump to use Federal funds to build the border wall overturning a lower court ruling.

4. Win 4 - Signing a safe 3rd party Asylum deal with Guatemala effectively allowing the closing of the border to all asylum seekers since people from Mexico can already be turned back immediately but now anyone traveling through Guatemala claiming asylum must go back to Guatemala and claim it there first.

What a huge week for Trump and the Republicans.

[RiverDog]

What a week for Trump! Win - Win - Win and Win again.

1. Win 1 - the Dems demise in the Mueller hearings. I could say that those two were win 1a and 1b.

2. Win 2 - GDP growth at 2.1% in Q2 beating all expectations.

3. Win 3 - Supreme court ruling in favor of Trump to use Federal funds to build the border wall overturning a lower court ruling.

4. Win 4 - Signing a safe 3rd party Asylum deal with Guatemala effectively allowing the closing of the border to all asylum seekers since people from Mexico can already be turned back immediately but now anyone traveling through Guatemala claiming asylum must go back to Guatemala and claim it there first.

What a huge week for Trump and the Republicans.

Eh, won't register a blip on anyone's radar except for the Trump boot lickers. He'll still be underwater in the approval/disapproval polling. Besides, weeks don't matter. What matters is where they stand in November of 2020.

[Aseahawkfan]

Eh, won't register a blip on anyone's radar except for the Trump boot lickers. He'll still be underwater in the approval/disapproval polling. Besides, weeks don't matter. What matters is where they stand in November of 2020.

Yep. I barely care any more. This is all wait and see at this point. I feel totally disengaged from both of these parties right now other than watching the academics of it play out.

Dems heading for serious instability in the economy with an impeachment, selling policies that are pure charity politics, and letting the face of their party become people that make it seem like they dislike America and dislike/hate white people, the majority of voters.

Trump just denigrating the Office of the Presidency and acting like a crazy, cantankerous, racist old man who is borderline senile.

What a trashfire. Guys like us having nothing to look forward to from government.

[RiverDog]

Eh, won't register a blip on anyone's radar except for the Trump boot lickers. He'll still be underwater in the approval/disapproval polling. Besides, weeks don't matter. What matters is where they stand in November of 2020.

Yep. I barely care any more. This is all wait and see at this point. I feel totally disengaged from both of these parties right now other than watching the academics of it play out.

Dems heading for serious instability in the economy with an impeachment, selling policies that are pure charity politics, and letting the face of their party become people that make it seem like they dislike America and dislike/hate white people, the majority of voters.

Trump just denigrating the Office of the Presidency and acting like a crazy, cantankerous, racist old man who is borderline senile.

What a trashfire. Guys like us having nothing to look forward to from government.

I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that American politics aren't going to change in my lifetime, so I've made my peace with it. That's why I'm not going off the deep end about Trump like some people I know even though I dislike him every bit as much as they do, maybe more. Just keep either party from controlling both branches of government so they'll cancel each other out. I voted Dem in the last midterm as I wanted to see the House flip and will probably vote R for Congress if it appears that Trump is going to get beat. Give me gridlock or give me death!

A 3rd party isn't going to happen anytime soon as the Constitution favors the current two party system, so we're pretty much stuck with this dumpster fire. If Trump loses in 2020, we'll see what the real Republican party is like. Right now, he has them deathly afraid of his constituency so not many will speak out against him publicly even though privately they have expressed a lot of concern. If they could ever give the party an enema and rid themselves of that POS, they might be able to re-define themselves. Problem is that too many young people see the R's as the home of white supremacists. "Make America Great Again" essentially means "Make America White Again".

Back to the OP. Even if the Dems did manage to impeach Trump, there's no way 2/3 of the Senate will vote to remove him from office, and they're damaging to themselves by pursuing it. That doesn't mean that I think Trump isn't guilty of obstruction, just that without a smoking gun, there will never be enough to flip 20 R Senators. Additionally, I'm not much into overturning the results of an election and prefer we do it via the ballot box. They'd be better off weaning down this humongous field of candidates and get behind the one most able to beat Trump.

Oh, well, life goes on.

[idhawkman]

I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that American politics aren't going to change in my lifetime, so I've made my peace with it. That's why I'm not going off the deep end about Trump like some people I know even though I dislike him every bit as much as they do, maybe more. Just keep either party from controlling both branches of government so they'll cancel each other out. I voted Dem in the last midterm as I wanted to see the House flip and will probably vote R for Congress if it appears that Trump is going to get beat. Give me gridlock or give me death!

One could argue that is what got us into this mess. The same issues being kicked down the road until they become crisis and costing enormous amounts of money to fix when it could have easily been fixed decades prior for pennies on the dollar.

Shumer and Pelosi have been in Congress over 3 decades each and they say Trump is the problem with America after being there just 3 years. Yeah, right!

A 3rd party isn't going to happen anytime soon as the Constitution favors the current two party system, so we're pretty much stuck with this dumpster fire. If Trump loses in 2020, we'll see what the real Republican party is like. Right now, he has them deathly afraid of his constituency so not many will speak out against him publicly even though privately they have expressed a lot of concern. If they could ever give the party an enema and rid themselves of that POS, they might be able to re-define themselves. Problem is that too many young people see the R's as the home of white supremacists. "Make America Great Again" essentially means "Make America White Again".

This is a common misconception among never Trumpers. "IF" Trump doesn't win, the party will nominate another person like him next time, too. The party has changed for the better long term. Your parents politics where the Dems make outrageous claims and attacks and the Republicans just sit back and take it are over.