Damn, I was a Kareem Hunt fan till now ...

[c_hawkbob]

Another Fing woman beater.

Article: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ho ... li=BBnbfcL

Video: http://www.tmz.com/2018/11/30/kc-chiefs ... nce-video/

[Hawktawk]

Another Fing woman beater.

Article: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ho ... li=BBnbfcL

Video: http://www.tmz.com/2018/11/30/kc-chiefs ... nce-video/

Saw that Bob. It would have been fine on the Hawks board IMO. Its an NFL story.

Now they have 2 women beaters, Hunt and Hill. Its sad these guys have so much talent and they just cant stay out of their own way. If it weren't for Hunts friends holding him back it would have been much worse. Its not ray rice but its bad..

[Aseahawkfan]

I wish I was surprised.

[c_hawkbob]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2542 ... xempt-list

I just hate that it takes the video being made public for the NFL (and the Chiefs in this instance) to take action. Goodell should be suspended without pay for a year and the Chiefs fined an obscene amount of money if they knew about this before now (it happened in February, you know damn well they did) ...

[Aseahawkfan]

How do you get this dumb? I don't even know. Dude threw away millions for a beef. This is like the Dave Chappelle skit when "keeping it real goes wrong."

[RiverDog]

Yea, they were talking about it this afternoon on Sirius NFL. We'll have to wait to hear the full story, but it doesn't look good.

I can't for the life of me understand a wife/woman beater. All I can say is that isn't how I was raised.

[c_hawkbob]

As for Hunt, I don't think the back story is capable of mitigating the video. His goose is most likely cooked.

As for the Chiefs, they've outright cut Hunt now claiming this video shows he lied to them in their internal investigation ... maybe so. In this aspect I can accept waiting to see what other information may bring.

As for the NFL, I have a hard time believing Goodell hasn't seen that tape prior to TMZ releasing it. I'm about done with him.

[RiverDog]

As for Hunt, I don't think the back story is capable of mitigating the video. His goose is most likely cooked.

As for the Chiefs, they've outright cut Hunt now claiming this video shows he lied to them in their internal investigation ... maybe so. In this aspect I can accept waiting to see what other information may bring.

As for the NFL, I have a hard time believing Goodell hasn't seen that tape prior to TMZ releasing it. I'm about done with him.

It's admittedly very hard if not impossible to get around what was captured on the video. Nevertheless, I want to keep an open mind about it until I hear the full story, which includes the Chiefs/NFL role in investigating this.

But I will say that it's mind boggling that any player that has gone to the meetings the league has with all players regarding personal conduct, particularly as it pertains to domestic violence, and have the benefit of the relatively recent history of the Ray Rice incident and what it did to his career, would ever put themselves in the position that Hunt now finds himself in, so in no way should my comments be interpeted as being sympathetic to him. And that doesn't even begin to address the common decency that should be in the DNA of all of us men.

[NorthHawk]

Apparently this happened at around 3:30am.
What kind of condition are they in at that time of day?
People just have to realize what they have to lose when they put themselves in that, or any possibly compromising position.
Sometimes it's just a hard lesson to learn.

[idhawkman]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25420168/kareem-hunt-kansas-city-chiefs-placed-commissioner-exempt-list

I just hate that it takes the video being made public for the NFL (and the Chiefs in this instance) to take action. Goodell should be suspended without pay for a year and the Chiefs fined an obscene amount of money if they knew about this before now (it happened in February, you know damn well they did) ...

From what I hear Bob it took this long for the hotel to release the video. I could be totally wrong on this but that's the story I heard on sports radio.

[RiverDog]

From what I hear Bob it took this long for the hotel to release the video. I could be totally wrong on this but that's the story I heard on sports radio.

Hotel policy, quite understandably, is that they would only release any security video of theirs to law enforcement. The league contacted both and the hotel and the police multiple times to obtain the video and both refused. How TMZ ended up with it is a mystery, at least to me.

[c_hawkbob]

How TMZ got a hold of it is much less of a mystery to me (there are still human beings involved with records keeping, and humans can be bought) than why Cleveland PD and DA's office would sit on it after declining to press charges. Who the hell are they to decide that because it doesn't meet their criteria for prosecution it's not the business of the perpetrator's employers?

Not sure I believe they did, we'll see what they have to say now that the NFL and the Chiefs have pointed the finger at them.

[RiverDog]

How TMZ got a hold of it is much less of a mystery to me (there are still human beings involved with records keeping, and humans can be bought) than why Cleveland PD and DA's office would sit on it after declining to press charges. Who the hell are they to decide that because it doesn't meet their criteria for prosecution it's not the business of the perpetrator's employers?

Not sure I believe they did, we'll see what they have to say now that the NFL and the Chiefs have pointed the finger at them.

It's the hotel's property so I'd think it would be their decision as to whether to give it to the NFL or not. If the DA isn't going to press charges, then they have no right to keep it from its owner or determine who sees it, or at least that's my guess.

It's a tough situation. As an employee, I wouldn't want my employer having access to so-called "evidence" after LE decided it wasn't worth filing charges over. I can think of all sorts of abuses.

[idhawkman]

I have to agree with River on this one. Just because LE confiscates evidence it doesn't make it the property of the public. They have no right to release it. That would be the same as if they impounded your car for suspension of a crime and then released your car to the public after not charging you.

[c_hawkbob]

Nobody said anything about releasing anything to the public.

[idhawkman]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25420168/kareem-hunt-kansas-city-chiefs-placed-commissioner-exempt-list

I just hate that it takes the video being made public for the NFL (and the Chiefs in this instance) to take action. Goodell should be suspended without pay for a year and the Chiefs fined an obscene amount of money if they knew about this before now (it happened in February, you know damn well they did) ...

I know you said "if they knew about it" but then you put down that they "Damn well did" know about it. How would they have known about it Bob? You agree that it shouldn't be released to the public but then how would they have known to take action before now?

[RiverDog]

It's the hotel's video, so unless they are in possession of evidence of a crime being committed, then I would think that so long as they are not violating their customer's privacy...and if it happened in a hallway or lobby, it would not be violating anyone's privacy..that the hotel could do what ever they please with it.

[Aseahawkfan]

Yea, they were talking about it this afternoon on Sirius NFL. We'll have to wait to hear the full story, but it doesn't look good.

I can't for the life of me understand a wife/woman beater. All I can say is that isn't how I was raised.

From what I've heard talking to the younger generation, the whole male-female equality movement has successfully taught them that "protect the female" is no longer the societal standard. If a female gets out of line verbally or physically, then you treat them like you would a dude.

Fortunately, the PC movement is making sure any kind of altercation is viewed poorly regardless of gender.

When you teach an entire generation of males that females are their equal, you're going to get this more often. Most of us older men (other than Sean Connery) were very much taught not to strike females save in extreme self-defense, but these younger males are raised with a greater sense of equity to put it kindly. Remember, we're all equal, even physically regardless of genetics or biology.

[RiverDog]

Yea, they were talking about it this afternoon on Sirius NFL. We'll have to wait to hear the full story, but it doesn't look good.

I can't for the life of me understand a wife/woman beater. All I can say is that isn't how I was raised.

From what I've heard talking to the younger generation, the whole male-female equality movement has successfully taught them that "protect the female" is no longer the societal standard. If a female gets out of line verbally or physically, then you treat them like you would a dude.

Fortunately, the PC movement is making sure any kind of altercation is viewed poorly regardless of gender.

When you teach an entire generation of males that females are their equal, you're going to get this more often. Most of us older men (other than Sean Connery) were very much taught not to strike females save in extreme self-defense, but these younger males are raised with a greater sense of equity to put it kindly. Remember, we're all equal, even physically regardless of genetics or biology.

My generation ("baby boomers") was not absent woman beaters, and neither was my parents ("the greatest generation"). It's just that 30-40+ years ago, the woman seldom reported it, and even when they did, LE and DA's reacted much differently. It used to be that a woman had to file charges before LE would take any action. Now if LE get called to a domestic dispute, someone goes to jail. Today they don't necessarily need a complainant for LE to file charges. Back then they did.

Same goes for child abuse. I know of an incident from back in the 70's involving a minor who's parents, members of a religious cult similar to the Amish, repeatedly caught their son with a girl so they cut off his penis, couldn't get the bleeding stopped, and ended up taking him to the hospital, and the cops couldn't do anything because the kid wouldn't file charges against his parents. We also didn't have evidence so readily available, in particular, video evidence. About the only place where they had surveillance cameras was in bank lobbies. Now they're everywhere. We didn't even have 911. You had to haul out the phone book and dial a 7 digit number. Athletes and politicians were treated much differently by LE and the courts than they are today. There was no CNN, no 24-7 news organizations that reported on every single event, and certainly no internet or social media for incidents to be communicated over.

Essentially the environment was different for previous generations than it is for millennials. From the men/women I've worked with and come to know as friends, I have not detected the same difference in morals that you have. I'm not claiming that my impression is the correct one or that yours isn't, I'm just stating my own personal observations and what I've concluded from them.

IMO it only seems like there's more woman beaters because we hear more about them and LE takes action when they see evidence, which is much more readily available than it's ever been in the past.

[Hawktawk]

My most recent information is that for whatever reason the cleveland police themselves NEVER SAW THE VIDEO. Based on the statement of the alleged victim and others including Hunt they concluded that it would have been a misdemeanor charge at best and in that case they don't go to the video replay so to speak.

IMO this is nothing new. On the one hand you have the Cleveland police treating a hometown hero athlete with kid gloves which has gone on since long before OJ Simpson.They didn't WANT to see the video so they could protect the athlete.

On the other hand you have a multi trillion dollar pro sport with absolutely no incentive to tear down their image and throw away the career of one of their stars having a see no evil hear no evil so we don't have to talk about any evil attitude. Its ridiculous to think they dont have the horsepower to obtain any tape they want any time they want.

But there's lots of ridiculous things they do like giving crab legs Winston 3 games for groping an Uber driver after likely raping a chick in college, 4 games for Rapistburger in the day but Kendricks gets 8 games for an insider trading scheme he admitted to and never benefited from .

But one more thing. If Im this girls dad Id have some harsh words for her as well such as "don't go hang out with a drunk pro athlete in his hotel room at 3:30 AM dressed like a hooker. If you get kicked out for refusing to act like a hooker and hook up with one of his buddies then just leave, don't go get in his face".

Shes far from blameless although it doesn't make his actions remotely acceptable.

And anyone who thinks this guy is done in the NFL is delusional. As Ian Rappaport said the other day."this isn't Ray Rice. Ray was at the end of his career. This guys in his prime. He will play again. Zeke is playing, Joe Mixon is on tape knocking out a woman and he got drafted in the second round".

[RiverDog]

And anyone who thinks this guy (Hunt) is done in the NFL is delusional. As Ian Rappaport said the other day."this isn't Ray Rice. Ray was at the end of his career. This guys in his prime. He will play again. Zeke is playing, Joe Mixon is on tape knocking out a woman and he got drafted in the second round".

Reuben Foster was signed by the Redskins barely 24 hours after he was released by the Niners, so of course, Hunt will play again.

IMO Hunt's transgressions, at least from what was shown in the hotel video, are not egregious enough for him to be kicked out of football entirely. Each case needs to be judged on its own merits.