Hawks vs Rams

[Sox-n-hawks]

Efffffff

[chris98251]

They are going QB sneak it.

[Anthony]

wow great timeout not

[Anthony]

Penalties and coaches cost us. bad timeouts

[chris98251]

We gave them a time out, Pete damn.

[Sports Hernia]

Wasted a TO after coming off a refs time out. Then the rams reconsider the punt and sneak it.
Pete just got outcoached on that play. SMDH!

[curmudgeon]

The game has passed Carroll by....

[mykc14]

Stupidest timeout in Seahawks history

[Anthony]

Wasted a TO after coming off a refs time out. Then the rams reconsider the punt and sneak it.
Pete just got outcoached on that play. SMDH!

again happens alot to PC

[c_hawkbob]

Stupid! This one's on Pete for wasting that TO

[jshawaii22]

The refs would of started the clock after the measurement and the Rams could of run 40 seconds off the clock. Hawks had no choice but to take the timeout.

[chris98251]

If you make them have to run a play they don't think about it and kick it, giving them a time out they went with the sneak and set up the blocking, see how the Guards cut the tackles so they had no push.

[Sports Hernia]

The game has passed Carroll by....

I’m starting to believe this is the case, sadly!

[mykc14]

Penalty puts us out of FG position... then RW has to get a throw off on 3rd and 23... then the TO... have that one away

[chris98251]

They may run time but it would have been a chance, this gave us no chance, also if not for the penalties we have a field goal attempt and probably the lead as well.

[c_hawkbob]

The refs would of started the clock after the measurement and the Rams could of run 40 seconds off the clock. Hawks had no choice but to take the timeout.

But we'd have had the ball. Totally disagree with "no choice".

[mykc14]

The refs would of started the clock after the measurement and the Rams could of run 40 seconds off the clock. Hawks had no choice but to take the timeout.

Yep, my bad. PC had to call a T.O.

[jshawaii22]

I think there was 1 minute and 20 seconds left when they did the measurement. Take away 40 seconds, even if they kick (-5 yards for delay of game) and we get the ball deep with 20 seconds left. I can't believe that the Seahawks thought the Rams would go for it on their own 40. The time-out was absolutely correct at the time.

[chris98251]

I think there was 1 minute and 20 seconds left when they did the measurement. Take away 40 seconds, even if they kick (-5 yards for delay of game) and we get the ball deep with 20 seconds left. I can't believe that the Seahawks thought the Rams would go for it on their own 20. The time-out was absolutely correct at the time.

Away game with the lead and less then a yard to go, thinking about it and having their line you can lock it up, made sense. With no time outs you go with the punt and the safe bet rather then a penalty and giving Seattle 5 more yards, we have one of the best long kickers in the game as well. The time out was a mistake.

[Aseahawkfan]

So we're likely not even in the game if Carroll doesn't do a hell of a job coaching, now he's the scape goat for a tight loss we likely wouldn't even have been competitive in with most other coaches. Fans are fickle to say the least.

It was a tight game we had no business being competitive in. If we lose this tight, then we're heading in the right direction with the young talent. Tight losses against teams like the Rams who are stacked with talent is fine with me. A losing season will allow us to pick up some new talent to put us over the top in the future. They been picking top five for years, which is why they have all that talent. Not everyone can be New England. Sometimes you take a step back to move forward. This was a nice game showing that we're heading in the right direction in the post-LOB era.

For the fans wanting to see the team better going forward, this shows Carroll is building a good talent base again. Let the Rams have their year. We'll be back with better players soon enough. They did well absent ET and losing a great up and comer like Dissly. I hope they keep building on the run game. Take our lumps this year and get some more pieces while developing the talent.

[chris98251]

So we're likely not even in the game if Carroll doesn't do a hell of a job coaching, now he's the scape goat for a tight loss we likely wouldn't even have been competitive in with most other coaches. Fans are fickle to say the least.

It was a tight game we had no business being competitive in. If we lose this tight, then we're heading in the right direction with the young talent. Tight losses against teams like the Rams who are stacked with talent is fine with me. A losing season will allow us to pick up some new talent to put us over the top in the future. They been picking top five for years, which is why they have all that talent. Not everyone can be New England. Sometimes you take a step back to move forward. This was a nice game showing that we're heading in the right direction in the post-LOB era.

For the fans wanting to see the team better going forward, this shows Carroll is building a good talent base again. Let the Rams have their year. We'll be back with better players soon enough. They did well absent ET and losing a great up and comer like Dissly. I hope they keep building on the run game. Take our lumps this year and get some more pieces while developing the talent.

They didn't need to lose this game, it was our shooting ourselves in the foot coaching and player focus.

[Anthony]

Penalty puts us out of FG position... then RW has to get a throw off on 3rd and 23... then the TO... have that one away

What TO we did not have a TO

[Aseahawkfan]

They didn't need to lose this game, it was our shooting ourselves in the foot coaching and player focus.

And some other coach might have had us losing by 30. Then what are you saying? Churning coaches until you find the next Carroll? Churning QBs until you find the next Russ? The complaints and expectations are dumb. We almost won a game we had no business being competitive in. That is what really happened. We're a team in transition missing every marquis player we had in our Super Bowl run other than Wilson, Baldwin, and Bobby. This is literally a young, almost entirely new team. To me that game was progress and that's how I'm seeing it.

So you see it how you want. You won't be competing for the Super Bowl this year or the playoffs. This is a rebuild year like last year. A new coach isn't going to be any guarantee we will be better.

[Anthony]

So we're likely not even in the game if Carroll doesn't do a hell of a job coaching, now he's the scape goat for a tight loss we likely wouldn't even have been competitive in with most other coaches. Fans are fickle to say the least.

It was a tight game we had no business being competitive in. If we lose this tight, then we're heading in the right direction with the young talent. Tight losses against teams like the Rams who are stacked with talent is fine with me. A losing season will allow us to pick up some new talent to put us over the top in the future. They been picking top five for years, which is why they have all that talent. Not everyone can be New England. Sometimes you take a step back to move forward. This was a nice game showing that we're heading in the right direction in the post-LOB era.

For the fans wanting to see the team better going forward, this shows Carroll is building a good talent base again. Let the Rams have their year. We'll be back with better players soon enough. They did well absent ET and losing a great up and comer like Dissly. I hope they keep building on the run game. Take our lumps this year and get some more pieces while developing the talent.

Ahh so he gets no blame, but all the credit. Yeah sorry we were in the game because our RBs were maniacs and RW made magic . All PC did was make a lot of mistakes. For 4+ years we have heard we have to cutdown on the costly penalties. Here we are again, the main culprit today was penalties, the coaching, then play calling - noth offensive and defenive. This is a game we should have won, but coaching mistakes, play calling, and penalties coat us. All are things on the Coaches

[Sox-n-hawks]

Great game by a young team. I'm looking forward to seeing this young secondary develop.

[chris98251]

And some other coach might have had us losing by 30. Then what are you saying? Churning coaches until you find the next Carroll? Churning QBs until you find the next Russ? The complaints and expectations are dumb. We almost won a game we had no business being competitive in. That is what really happened. We're a team in transition missing every marquis player we had in our Super Bowl run other than Wilson, Baldwin, and Bobby. This is literally a young, almost entirely new team. To me that game was progress and that's how I'm seeing it.

So you see it how you want. You won't be competing for the Super Bowl this year or the playoffs. This is a rebuild year like last year. A new coach isn't going to be any guarantee we will be better.

I credit him with the success of the Coaches with putting a good game plan in place, what players they have brought in, Game day he has forever been perplexing with his use of Time outs in key situations and on the field focus of the offense.

He is saying he wanted to save 33 seconds with the time out, but the other choice is no time.


Pete is doing a lot of dodging on the question of the time out. Looks a bit uneasy in press conference.

He got out of it fast and abruptly also.

[Sports Hernia]

Not disappointed in the loss to a team that’s going to probably win the Super Bowl.
I expected a loss today. It’s how they lost it by shooting themselves in the foot that bothers me. Missed tackles, letting guys roam free in our secondary, zero sacks, and coaching boners like the TO.

While the offense wasn’t flawless today they put up 31 points today against THAT defense.
Russ out played Goff, running game looked outstanding, Lockett and Moore had great games.

Just would have liked to have a chance at the end of the game for one more shot.

[Anthony]

And some other coach might have had us losing by 30. Then what are you saying? Churning coaches until you find the next Carroll? Churning QBs until you find the next Russ? The complaints and expectations are dumb. We almost won a game we had no business being competitive in. That is what really happened. We're a team in transition missing every marquis player we had in our Super Bowl run other than Wilson, Baldwin, and Bobby. This is literally a young, almost entirely new team. To me that game was progress and that's how I'm seeing it.

So you see it how you want. You won't be competing for the Super Bowl this year or the playoffs. This is a rebuild year like last year. A new coach isn't going to be any guarantee we will be better.

I credit him with the success of the Coaches with putting a good game plan in place, what players they have brought in, Game day he has forever been perplexing with his use of Time outs in key situations and on the field focus of the offense.

He is saying he wanted to say 33 seconds with the time out, but the other choice is no time.


Pete is doing a lot of dodging on the question of the time out. Looks a bit uneasy in pres conference.[/quote]


Okay so your headcoach, who has been saying for 4+ years how the penalties are killing us and he ia going to fix it, gets a pass in a game were once again penalties killed us. Hmm okay for you, i think i will go with the fact that once again penalties are killed us as it has been for years and that is on PC

[c_hawkbob]

There was 1:39 left at the time out. There would have been 1:06 left on the clock after the run off (according to Pete just now in his post game).

If it wasn't our last one I agree with taking that time out, as it went down, it was a crucial mistake. It gave us zero options.

[Anthony]

There was 1:39 left at the time out. There would have been 1:06 left on the clock after the run off (according to Pete just now in his post game).

If it wasn't our last one I agree with taking that time out, as it went down, it was a crucial mistake. It gave us zero options.

Agreed, the other thing and i watched carefully and rewatched a lot during halftime and after i see a severe lack or creativity on offense with regards to routes. Also a huge whole at TE. Vannett is not getting it done. Marshal has been bad with a number of drops.

[HumanCockroach]

Disappointing to see so much ire over a game with so, so much positive...

As Wyman and co pointed out, a return of old Wilson, a dominant, excellent game by the O line, a dedication to the two best backs on the team.... this game is seriously encouraging... that might be the best complete game offensive performance, in 3 yrs, the defense had multiple chances to get turnovers that might have changed the outcome of that game, hopefully, they grow up quickly.... there was inconsistent ( but apparent) pressure on the QB....

That's a TOP defense and offense in the NFL, and a young team with multiple holes, gave them everything they could handle, to the point the coach felt he HAD to make a decision that 99.9% of the coaches in NFL history wouldn't have made, (and of those .1% that would have or did, failed miserably, and didn't hang around long) basically because he felt he had to. If that isn't a positive, i'm not sure something positive even exists.

[mykc14]

What TO we did not have a TO

The timeout that was being questioned- the one PC took right before the Rams got the final first down of the game. I was wrong about it being a bad timeout. It was absolutely the right call.

[HumanCockroach]

On a side note, where were our linebackers? Coverage across the middle? Swing passes, safety valves, nothing....

They honestly were invisible in coverage most of the day....

[HumanCockroach]

I agree, right call 100 out of 100 times.... if he hadn't taken it, and seattle came up short because time ran out, same people would be angry he didn't use it....

Truth be told McVay decision wasn't a good one, unfortunate it worked out for him, but anybody who has watched a lot of football, understands, that isn't a typical ( nor normally successful) decision, Indy just lost a game 1 week ago for making the same choice.

[chris98251]

There is a lot of positives, young guys showed they can play and will get better, Flowers, Thompson, Shaq, Moore to name a few, Carson for those that have said that he is a 7th rounder and should be able to be replaced easily is a great example of a guy playing in a system that didn't use him to his full potential and Pete seen something, Heart rarely has a draft slot.

The O line with Sweezy at LG and Fluker at RG is defiantly the formula that will only get better, Ifedi well at worst time we get a bit of the old Ifedi, that's our week link, would be nice if we can get that fixed.


We are in rebuild, but closer then a lot of us thought we would be, we are not handing anything to anyone. We also saw some attitude out there today which is fun to see. The guys are playing with passion, passion of the good kind not disgruntled.


On the other side, Marshall and Brown where were they?


Vannett is not a natural pass catcher, fights the ball, he needs to run routes he can look the ball in and use his body, Madden, what can I say wasted as a blocker, wasted as a pass catcher dismal as a runner. Bring back Hill and let him play.

[mykc14]

I agree, right call 100 out of 100 times.... if he hadn't taken it, and seattle came up short because time ran out, same people would be angry he didn't use it....

Oh yeah, could you imagine the reaction if he just let that clock wind down to 40 seconds? That would be about as dumb as it gets

[chris98251]

I agree, right call 100 out of 100 times.... if he hadn't taken it, and seattle came up short because time ran out, same people would be angry he didn't use it....

Truth be told McVay decision wasn't a good one, unfortunate it worked out for him, but anybody who has watched a lot of football, understands, that isn't a typical ( nor normally successful) decision, Indy just lost a game 1 week ago for making the same choice.

Away game about a foot to go with winning the game and shutting us down, they have a great O line, was not a hard decision if you have time to think about it. If your at home with the crowd behind you then you Punt it knowing the away team will have to go at least 70 yards in a hostile crowd environment.

Also he would have had two time outs to call a prevent defense he was playing against, 30 yards or maybe 40 to get into field goal range.You have the ability to still use the run and set up pass with two time outs.

[trents]

That was the best offensive performance the Hawks have produced in I can't remember when. The O line and the running backs are really getting it together now. RW looked as decisive (for most of the game) as I have seen him in a long time. Today's performance would have netted a win against most NFL teams and it would have today as well except for late in the game mistakes and our defense not being able to slow the Ram's offense down. Man, D. J. Fluker is as big as a house!

In the draft next spring we need to emphasize shoring up the defense. It was weak today against the run and the pass.

Locket is really developing into a reliable receiver. Baldwin but with more speed?

[chris98251]

Those drag routes are designed to pull the defense away, being able to recognize they are happening is one way to stop them and by hitting the receiver right away and making them pay, second way is to disrupt route and timing, by pressure or by seeing the receiver and chucking him on his release so the QB has to make additional reads.

Saying that is easy, but now you have Gurley you have to respect as well, that's the rub you have to try and stop that also.

[HumanCockroach]

No... seattle had 1 timeout at that point, not 2.