Sea-Az game thread

[Anthony]

I wasn't aware Penny was related to Wilson...lmfao

Thats the best you got? you get caught in a bold face lie, and the best you go it that. LOL pathetic

[HumanCockroach]

Break down the rest of the year, I've already said he played well. .. for him.... he's is clearly the third best back on the team, and clearly two games with a ypc average under 2.5 isn't solidifying your stance. Hell even the list of anemic success in the bulk of his carries in this game isn't helping...

He hasn't had success, because, well, currently, he isn't very go's. That would be why Carson and Davis clearly have been more successful, despite Penny receiving as many carries or more as Carson for the first two games and more than Davis and Seattle lost, had low rushing totals ( despite Carson managing a 7.1 ypc in game 1, compared to BP at 1.2.... game 2 more of the same) ...

There's a reason those totals are so drastically different. I'll leave it to you to figure out. I'm not sure why you have a new player crush, and I honestly don't care why. All I know, is Penny hasn't been anything resembling good, and at this point, doesn't deserve additional touches. If you want to provide excuses, and cherry pick stats per usual, be my guest, people are used to it, but I don't see many jumping in with you UNTIL he shows something more than an occasional decent run, paired with a whole lot of substandard production.

[Anthony]

Break down the rest of the year, I've already said he played well. .. for him.... he's is clearly the third best back on the team, and clearly two games with a ypc average under 2.5 isn't solidifying your stance. Hell even the list of anemic success in the bulk of his carries in this game isn't helping...

He hasn't had success, because, well, currently, he isn't very go's. That would be why Carson and Davis clearly have been more successful, despite Penny receiving as many carries or more as Carson for the first two games and more than Davis and Seattle lost, had low rushing totals ( despite Carson managing a 7.1 ypc in game 1, compared to BP at 1.2.... game 2 more of the same) ...

There's a reason those totals are so drastically different. I'll leave it to you to figure out. I'm not sure why you have a new player crush, and I honestly don't care why. All I know, is Penny hasn't been anything resembling good, and at this point, doesn't deserve additional touches. If you want to provide excuses, and cherry pick stats per usual, be my guest, people are used to it, but I don't see many jumping in with you UNTIL he shows something more than an occasional decent run, paired with a whole lot of substandard production.

LOL I did break down the year its only been 4 games, clearly, you really don't care about anything but your hate. You have been caught in out and out lies and now you are trying to muddy the waters. In the end, all you got are the lies and your hate I feel sorry for you. Hey for what it is worth I looked in the dictionary for pathetic and your picture was there. So you always have that.

The real funny part is I am not a penny fan, did not think we should have drafted him, but the problem is can't stand you need to hate on certain players and the lies you tell in doing so.

[RiverDog]

It's only 4 games into his rookie year, but to this point, Penny hasn't shown me much. Yes, he had what appeared to be a good game Sunday, but so did Davis, which tells me that both running back's stats have more to do with improved line play/scheme than it does their individual performance. At this point, Penny is 3rd on the depth chart on a team that doesn't have a 'star' player at that position.

The improved running game has clearly taken a positive turn. It's been a long time since we've had back-to-back 100 yard rushing performances out of a running back.

[NorthHawk]

I said in a different thread that I think Penny plays better out of the I formation from a much deeper starting position.
I don't know if it's because it gives him time or he needs to see the play develop a little longer, but his best runs it seems
were when he was a little deeper at the snap.
Some player just take a little longer to get used to the speed of the NFL, and some never get up to speed.
We'll have to wait to see what happens, but a bad year for the whole team might give him that time to acclimate.

[RiverDog]

I said in a different thread that I think Penny plays better out of the I formation from a much deeper starting position.
I don't know if it's because it gives him time or he needs to see the play develop a little longer, but his best runs it seems
were when he was a little deeper at the snap.
Some player just take a little longer to get used to the speed of the NFL, and some never get up to speed.
We'll have to wait to see what happens, but a bad year for the whole team might give him that time to acclimate.

I remember Drew Bledsoe commenting on the difference in the speed of the game as one progresses from high school to college to the pros. He said that it was the most difficult thing to get used to at each level.

Regarding the I formation, my guess would be that most running backs would prefer to play out of the I as it gives them so much better vision. But with as many plays that originate out of the shotgun nowadays, even in the Hawk's run first offense, Penny's not going to get a lot of opportunities running out of the I so he needs to adjust.

[c_hawkbob]

Alexander played better from the tail of the I as well. It has to do with depending more on field vision than on explosion into a hole. As he gets used to seeing the field from a vantage point closer to LOS he may get more comfortable in a split or single back set.

[HumanCockroach]

He absolutely may become successful, but it hasn't happened yet, and until that becomes better than Carson or Davis, he shouldn't be receiving the same amount of touches.... he's just as likely to be Micheal or Collins as Alexander or even Rawls.... there isn't anything on the field to date that changes that, when it is, I'll be the first to say play him, until then, there's little reason to force feed an unproductive player that places Seattle in 2nd and 3rd and long situations consistently.

[NorthHawk]

He has to get the touches to show he's improved, so it's a conundrum.

[HumanCockroach]

Nah, used to be you earned those opportunities in Seattle, by performing when given the chance, they went away from that with certain picks ( Darboh, Ifedi, Micheal, Collins etc) hopefully they are returning to that philosophy now.... at least I hope what the Davis over Penny was... ultimately, if the goal is winning, the most productive player plays, if it's indeed a reboot, not a rebuild, if it's a rebuild, dropping games is not only acceptable, but expected.

Edit: I didn't say no touches, I said the same ( or more) which indeed imho cost Seattle possibly two very winnable games.

[idhawkman]

Nah, used to be you earned those opportunities in Seattle, by performing when given the chance, they went away from that with certain picks ( Darboh, Ifedi, Micheal, Collins etc) hopefully they are returning to that philosophy now.... at least I hope what the Davis over Penny was... ultimately, if the goal is winning, the most productive player plays, if it's indeed a reboot, not a rebuild, if it's a rebuild, dropping games is not only acceptable, but expected.

Edit: I didn't say no touches, I said the same ( or more) which indeed imho cost Seattle possibly two very winnable games.

I'm not opposed to reducing his touches but I'd like to see him get a handful of touches early in the game. The reason: We don't know who is going to have the breakout game. By giving them all some touches it might let us know who gets more work that game then the others.

I think back about SA and his first year when he rarely saw the field. Watters was the guy and SA learned in practice. When SA finally hit the field, he was getting good yards (yes, I know he had a wonderful Oline too). So if Penny doesn't get many touches this year, it doesn't mean he is a bust. It means he needs to adapt to the game which I have no doubt he will.

[HumanCockroach]

Maybe, I didn't say he couldn't, though I personally don't have much faith in Seattle to evaluate and draft backs successful in Seattle... honestly, the only backs that have been is Lynch ( who already had been successful in the NFL) Rawls for 1/2 a season, and.... I'm done... Carson to this point, has been the best back evaluated and drafted ( 7th round not expected to make the team), and they are hesitant to give him the ball... after watching Micheal , Collins, Ware etc... I'm not holding my breath.

[NorthHawk]

According to this article, Penny is now #3 on the depth chart.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... ike-davis/

In order to improve, he needs the touches, so it's a bit of a catch 22.

[RiverDog]

Maybe, I didn't say he couldn't, though I personally don't have much faith in Seattle to evaluate and draft backs successful in Seattle... honestly, the only backs that have been is Lynch ( who already had been successful in the NFL) Rawls for 1/2 a season, and.... I'm done... Carson to this point, has been the best back evaluated and drafted ( 7th round not expected to make the team), and they are hesitant to give him the ball... after watching Micheal , Collins, Ware etc... I'm not holding my breath.

Depends on how far back you want to go. Curt Warner was an excellent draft choice, no telling what he would have done had he not blown out his knee. So was Chris Warren, taken by the Hawks in the 4th round and whom had an 11 year career.

But if you just want to limit it to Pete and John, then yes, I agree, but their poor judgement on offensive talent is not limited to running backs.

[HumanCockroach]

Yes I was clearly referencing the current front office. I haven't forgotten Alexander, Warner, or even Warren, Hughes, Durbin, Smith or Fenner...

[RiverDog]

Yes I was clearly referencing the current front office. I haven't forgotten Alexander, Warner, or even Warren, Hughes, Durbin, Smith or Fenner...

They haven't done a stellar job evaluating offensive linemen, either.

We're only 1/4 through Penny's rookie season, so to say it's premature to judge him is an understatement. But I agree, for the time being, he doesn't deserve more than 6-8 touches per game.

[idhawkman]

They haven't done a stellar job evaluating offensive linemen, either.

We're only 1/4 through Penny's rookie season, so to say it's premature to judge him is an understatement. But I agree, for the time being, he doesn't deserve more than 6-8 touches per game.

Keep in mind that if he doesn't get 10 or more yards per touch, people will say he got too many touches even if it is only 6-8.

[HumanCockroach]

Hmmmm.... did BP even get a regular offensive snap today? It's almost like somebody knew early on that his carries should be limited, and that he was the third best back on the team .... imagine that....

[RiverDog]

Hmmmm.... did BP even get a regular offensive snap today? It's almost like somebody knew early on that his carries should be limited, and that he was the third best back on the team .... imagine that....

It took 5 weeks for "Always Compete" Pete to come to the realization that many of us have been saying for some time.

More evidence that Pete's catchy one liners were created for books and lectures and are frequently compromised.