The problem

[Anthony]

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/09/nfl-seahawks-bears-brian-schottenheimer-pete-carroll-russell-wilson

[Uppercut]

Jim Harbaugh maybe closer than we think

[NorthHawk]

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/09/nfl-seahawks-bears-brian-schottenheimer-pete-carroll-russell-wilson

And Wilson has to play better, too.

[Anthony]

And Wilson has to play better, too.

They all nees to do better, Wilson playing better only masks the problem as we might have won

[NorthHawk]

Not exactly.
It would help us win games which is the idea of playing the game and it would lessen the wear and tear on himself.
Small changes can have big results and committing to the run would help.

[obiken]

And Wilson has to play better, too.

Sorry nothing personal, and not to jump on your comment, but bologna. This game was a blowout, period. The ONLY thing that kept us in it, was Russell making plays, and Trebinsky keeping on the training wheels.

[NorthHawk]

He's holding onto the ball too long and not making the shorter passes that are open.
This has been an issue for the last few years and to be fair scheme is part of the issue.
For some reason it changes in the 2nd half of almost every game and in the 4th Q when we are behind.
If he takes what is given by the Defense, they would have more plays on Offense and just maybe grind out a few first downs and get the run game going not to mention give the Defense a break
instead of the 3 and outs we are subject to for the 1st half.

[Anthony]

Not exactly.
It would help us win games which is the idea of playing the game and it would lessen the wear and tear on himself.
Small changes can have big results and committing to the run would help.

And because we win, you and others would ignore the problems till its to late, see oline as proof

[NorthHawk]

Don't be purposefully obtuse.
I was talking about out bad OL in 2014 and was pilloried about the Offense after calling it popgun.
So don't talk to me about ignoring other problems.

Russell bears part of the blame. Period.
And he could do much more to help the team by not trying for the big play, but to take what the Defense is giving him and sometimes throwing it away to avoid a sack or big loss.

[trents]

He's holding onto the ball too long and not making the shorter passes that are open.
This has been an issue for the last few years and to be fair scheme is part of the issue.
For some reason it changes in the 2nd half of almost every game and in the 4th Q when we are behind.
If he takes what is given by the Defense, they would have more plays on Offense and just maybe grind out a few first downs and get the run game going not to mention give the Defense a break
instead of the 3 and outs we are subject to for the 1st half.

It changes at the end of the game when behind as we go to a hurry up offense because that's what the other team is giving us. They are in prevent defense and not crowding the line of scrimmage. All of a sudden the O line looks better.

All goes back to the porous O Line that doesn't allow us to sustain drives on offense. This causes the defense to be on the field for too many minutes and by the middle or the end of the third quarter they are gassed and can no longer react as quickly.

And yes, RW needs to get rid of the ball more quickly when there is no one open. Allowing himself to get sacked just exacerbates the whole problem. Seattle played in the shadow of their goal posts most of the night against the Bears.

The problems of the O Line trickle down all the other elements of game dynamics. We have a huge imbalance problem right now.

[Anthony]

Don't be purposefully obtuse.
I was talking about out bad OL in 2014 and was pilloried about the Offense after calling it popgun.
So don't talk to me about ignoring other problems.

Russell bears part of the blame. Period.
And he could do much more to help the team by not trying for the big play, but to take what the Defense is giving him and sometimes throwing it away to avoid a sack or big loss.

Obviously you missed were the long balls were on PC, per PC he told shotty to go for them starting in 1st. Qtr till end of 3rd

[idhawkman]

Obvoously you missed were the long balls were on PC, per PC he told shotty to go forvthem stsrting in 1st. Qtr till end of 3rd

Soooo.... What you are saying is that RW can't see a play and know that there's nothing there and check down? He can't audible out of a bad play or can't read a defense so he has to stay with just the one play that is called. Wow, I've said he isn't elite yet but if the above is the case, he's not even good.

Just remember, the coaches can call the plays but the QB can and should check out of the play if it has no chance of working or he can check into a better play.

[Anthony]

Soooo.... What you are saying is that RW can't see a play and know that there's nothing there and check down? He can't audible out of a bad play or can't read a defense so he has to stay with just the one play that is called. Wow, I've said he isn't elite yet but if the above is the case, he's not even good.

Just remember, the coaches can call the plays but the QB can and should check out of the play if it has no chance of working or he can check into a better play.

No what I i am saying is there needs to be a check down. And given thr timenout they took before the int was because Wilson audibles out of thw play and they did ninot t want him to you have your answer, also down and distance matters, but please continue to be condescending.

[trents]

Anthony's link in the first post says it all. I have to agree in large part with that journalist's analysis. It is certainly what we have actually seen in real life with the Seahawks.

[Agent 86]

Given what we saw the last half of last year, and preseason this year, it comes as no surprise to me that the "Hawks are sitting at 0-2 right now and the offense is in shambles. Really, I don't think there are many people on this board who didn't expect this kind of play so far. There are so many little mistakes being made right now on both sides of the ball that are adding up to big mistakes, there are too many to mention.

On the pick 6 by Prince A., the throw looked horrible. But did you see the route Penny ran, he did not even come close to selling it and making Prince turn his hips. He was able to just sit on the route cause Penny showed nothing that he was going to go deeper than what he did. That's just one example. Thorpe took a horrible angle on an early punt that allowed Cohen an extra 25 yards. Just basic things are not being done.

I read today that Carson was "gassed" and that is why he didn't get a carry in the 2nd half. Gassed from special teams. Who else uses their #1 RB on special teams??

I had a feeling this was going to be a down year, but so far, it's actually worse than I thought. Injuries are obviously a big factor, but OY!

The problem right now is lack of talent, just too many raw players in the ultimate team sport. It's what should be expected during a rebuild like this.

[The POPE]

There is enough blame to go around for everybody. Pete gets the blame because he is the man calling the shots. Schottenheimer gets the blames because he is worse than the case of drizzling sh*ts I had after the game last night. Russell is part to blame for holding onto the ball too long at times. 2 different O coordinators and they still don’t seem to trust him to take the reins. Is that Pete or is it a problem with Russell’s ability to read a defense? When they did turn Russell loose he threw a pick 6. To hear Anthony tell it, Russell had no blame for that, it all on the rookie RB. If Russell is all that then he needs to step up and call Pete on the truly offensive game plan. I would bet Brady and Rogers would. If Russell is the end all be all then grow a set, step up and call a turd a turd or risk getting flushed.

Pope out

[Anthony]

There is enough blame to go around for everybody. Pete gets the blame because he is the man calling the shots. Schottenheimer gets the blames because he is worse than the case of drizzling sh*ts I had after the game last night. Russell is part to blame for holding onto the ball too long at times. 2 different O coordinators and they still don’t seem to trust him to take the reins. Is that Pete or is it a problem with Russell’s ability to read a defense? When they did turn Russell loose he threw a pick 6. To hear Anthony tell it, Russell had no blame for that, it all on the rookie RB. If Russell is all that then he needs to step up and call Pete on the truly offensive game plan. I would bet Brady and Rogers would. If Russell is the end all be all then grow a set, step up and call a turd a turd or risk getting flushed.

Pope out

Dude in no way did i say he had no blame, dont put words in my mouth. Also if you bothere paying attention Wilson did calll them out at the time out and got spanked for it. Also brady or rodgers at the same point in their careers on this team in this system they would be on the IR.

[The POPE]

Anthony, maybe my memory is fading but when did Russ get spanked? A good amount of turmoil on the team has been credited to Pete’s baby soft gloves when it comes to Russ. So please if you have a relevant example, please share

[Anthony]

Anthony, maybe my memory is fading but when did Russ get spanked? A good amount of turmoil on the team has been credited to Pete’s baby soft gloves when it comes to Russ. So please if you have a relevant example, please share

i suggest you go back to thst time our, listen tobwhst wilson says his reaction during snd after. HUARD even said it was heated, wilson lost and was pissed.

[Futureite]

You gotta call it like you see it. RW has benefited from playaction for yrs. This entire org was built to suit his talents, which are great long ball accuracy (he’s accurate period, but elite on deep throws) and athleticism. So, with LOB and Beastmode he’s been able to play safe and pick his deep shots. He was literally a perfect fit for what Seattle did. But - and I said this before many times - playing this way did not force him to develop the pocket awareness and ability to process info quickly and throw in rhythm. It is what it is.

Tom Brady’s line has been subpar in many yrs. Same for Aaron Rodgers. Drew Brees, Etc. Elite QBs mask many of the same problems that other QBs can’t overcome. Some even thrive under those conditions.

To be fair, I am seeing the same issues with Garoppolo so far. Holding the ball too long, not throwing with anticipation, creating coverage sacks that should be throw always. So far I am a bit disappointed. Like RW, he is getting early pressure consistently. Our pass pro hasn’t been good. And with Goodwin sidelined, we have no speed to threaten a secondary. To me, these are contributing factors to subpar play, but they can quickly become excuses. If you pay a QB like he is one of the 5 best, as we did with JG and Seattle is soon to consider for RW, they have to overcome these deficiencies. If they cannot, then they are not elite. Period.

[Anthony]

You gotta call it like you see it. RW has benefited from playaction for yrs. This entire org was built to suit his talents, which are great long ball accuracy (he’s accurate period, but elite on deep throws) and athleticism. So, with LOB and Beastmode he’s been able to play safe and pick his deep shots. He was literally a perfect fit for what Seattle did. But - and I said this before many times - playing this way did not force him to develop the pocket awareness and ability to process info quickly and throw in rhythm. It is what it is.

Tom Brady’s line has been subpar in many yrs. Same for Aaron Rodgers. Drew Brees, Etc. Elite QBs mask many of the same problems that other QBs can’t overcome. Some even thrive under those conditions.

To be fair, I am seeing the same issues with Garoppolo so far. Holding the ball too long, not throwing with anticipation, creating coverage sacks that should be throw always. So far I am a bit disappointed. Like RW, he is getting early pressure consistently. Our pass pro hasn’t been good. And with Goodwin sidelined, we have no speed to threaten a secondary. To me, these are contributing factors to subpar play, but they can quickly become excuses. If you pay a QB like he is one of the 5 best, as we did with JG and Seattle is soon to consider for RW, they have to overcome these deficiencies. If they cannot, then they are not elite. Period.

Some of what you say I agree with however, Rodgers has had an oline ranked 14th on avg over his career with a worse of 24th. Brady never lower than 12th. Wilson on Avg is 18th, with a worse of 33nd. So sorry not even close. Add to that they have both been playing in the same system with the same coaches for longer than Wilson has been in the NFL, then add those systems are built around them. This offense has never been built around Wilson this is PCs offense. Read the article I linked to it make it clear and Brock Huard and many experts are saying the same thing.

[c_hawkbob]

You gotta call it like you see it. RW has benefited from playaction for yrs. This entire org was built to suit his talents

Talk about bending the facts to suite your narrative ...

This team was built to run Petey-ball. The LOB was born of Pete being a defensive coach (specifically a D-backfield coach) and Beast was always intended to be the centerpiece of the offense, QB was practically an afterthought. We got lucky to acquire a generational talent at QB in the third round (props to John for seeing it and to Pete for being willing to go with it). Virtually nothing about this team was tailored to Russ' talents. It's something that is sorely needed.

[Futureite]

^ CHawkBob,

I realize I posted this in the wrong thread, but I'll respond here and maybe continue on the other one. I disagree with all of what you posted. Wilson's strengths undoubtedly are accuracy and athleticism. Anyone would be hard pressed to argue this. His strengths have been utilized to a tee in Pete's system. He couldn't have landed in a better spot for immediate success. He may be the best deep ball thrower in the game, and that O and D lent itself to open deep shots late in halves and games, which he executed most of the time. He is also a very smart, savvy QB. So, he could pick his spots, play conservative and not force the ball for a good portion of the game. This is exactly what Pete wanted and Wilson had immediate success specifically because it played to his natural strengths. Led to a great passer rating, a lot of wins.

As I've posted for several years hear, this style of play never forced Wilson to grow, to sit in the pocket and learn though. All great QBs went through it. Ironically, Drew Brees is often compared to Wilson, and he came from a very similar Shottenheimer O. He did not become the Brees we know today though until he had several years of playing in the pocket in a more pass centric O under Payton. Look at the trajectory of his career stats. Same with Tom Brady. They all developed over time by sitting in the pocket. It doesn't happen overnight. Wilson has never gone through this, so he's never had to learn it. He even played under a similar O at Wisconsin. It will take time and it will take a new style of O.

I am reading a lot of complaints that Shottenheimer is "forcing" Wilson to stay in the pocket. People want Carroll to "Let him be himself". If so, then you're never going to get the version of him you believe he truly is or will be. Anthony posted about Rodger's line. BS. Rodgers set the record for sacks his first year starting. He himself held the ball too long, created the illusion of the "worst" O-Line. And many years, his line has been banged up and flat out awful at pass Pro. Same with Brady. Same with Peyton Manning. But they learned to adapt over time to overcome this. Wilson hasn't. He's going back to the same set of tools he used before, but it's not working as well now. He must adapt.

Seahawks are at a cross roads. Wilson is not fully developed. He just isn't. Not saying he "cannot" be that elite QB what throws with anticipation and sits in the pocket, but that isn't who he is right now. The evidence is there and you hear it every broadcast. I am hoping Garoppolo becomes that, but he is having the same problem right now. Even Shanahan said when receivers are not getting separation, he needs to anticipate that sooner, come off that read on to the next, etc. It takes time to learn this. Seahawks can either get a new coach and go all in on Wilson and bank that he is Drew Brees and will progress under a pass centric O, or they can keep his development exactly where it is and try to re-do Peteball for run #2. Those are the options IMO.

[Anthony]

^ CHawkBob,

I realize I posted this in the wrong thread, but I'll respond here and maybe continue on the other one. I disagree with all of what you posted. Wilson's strengths undoubtedly are accuracy and athleticism. Anyone would be hard pressed to argue this. His strengths have been utilized to a tee in Pete's system. He couldn't have landed in a better spot for immediate success. He may be the best deep ball thrower in the game, and that O and D lent itself to open deep shots late in halves and games, which he executed most of the time. He is also a very smart, savvy QB. So, he could pick his spots, play conservative and not force the ball for a good portion of the game. This is exactly what Pete wanted and Wilson had immediate success specifically because it played to his natural strengths. Led to a great passer rating, a lot of wins.

As I've posted for several years hear, this style of play never forced Wilson to grow, to sit in the pocket and learn though. All great QBs went through it. Ironically, Drew Brees is often compared to Wilson, and he came from a very similar Shottenheimer O. He did not become the Brees we know today though until he had several years of playing in the pocket in a more pass centric O under Payton. Look at the trajectory of his career stats. Same with Tom Brady. They all developed over time by sitting in the pocket. It doesn't happen overnight. Wilson has never gone through this, so he's never had to learn it. He even played under a similar O at Wisconsin. It will take time and it will take a new style of O.

I am reading a lot of complaints that Shottenheimer is "forcing" Wilson to stay in the pocket. People want Carroll to "Let him be himself". If so, then you're never going to get the version of him you believe he truly is or will be. Anthony posted about Rodger's line. BS. Rodgers set the record for sacks his first year starting. He himself held the ball too long, created the illusion of the "worst" O-Line. And many years, his line has been banged up and flat out awful at pass Pro. Same with Brady. Same with Peyton Manning. But they learned to adapt over time to overcome this. Wilson hasn't. He's going back to the same set of tools he used before, but it's not working as well now. He must adapt.

Seahawks are at a cross roads. Wilson is not fully developed. He just isn't. Not saying he "cannot" be that elite QB what throws with anticipation and sits in the pocket, but that isn't who he is right now. The evidence is there and you hear it every broadcast. I am hoping Garoppolo becomes that, but he is having the same problem right now. Even Shanahan said when receivers are not getting separation, he needs to anticipate that sooner, come off that read on to the next, etc. It takes time to learn this. Seahawks can either get a new coach and go all in on Wilson and bank that he is Drew Brees and will progress under a pass centric O, or they can keep his development exactly where it is and try to re-do Peteball for run #2. Those are the options IMO.

Or they can run the system that works best for our QB and players. Like we sis in 2015. Ths question for PC is which means more loosing with his system or win with a system that works for our QB and players

[RiverDog]

Futureite said: "You gotta call it like you see it. RW has benefited from playaction for yrs. This entire org was built to suit his talents

Talk about bending the facts to suite your narrative ...

This team was built to run Petey-ball. The LOB was born of Pete being a defensive coach (specifically a D-backfield coach) and Beast was always intended to be the centerpiece of the offense, QB was practically an afterthought. We got lucky to acquire a generational talent at QB in the third round (props to John for seeing it and to Pete for being willing to go with it). Virtually nothing about this team was tailored to Russ' talents. It's something that is sorely needed.

Cbob is correct. The team was built from the ground up with a defense-first mindset. Russell Wilson wasn't even drafted until Pete's 2nd year, and even then, it was not a slam dunk decision to start him in 2011 as that year, the team had gone out and signed the top FA QB in Matt Flynn, who did not play poorly in the preseason and had made the decision to start Wilson easier as Flynn took himself out of consideration via injury.

But there were some aspects of our offense from 2011-2014 that either by choice or coincidence that were taylor-made for a QB with Russell's traits. Having a strong running offense with Beast made Russell's read option and other RPO plays possible and Percy Harvin, with his jet sweeps/bubble screen threat had the tendoncy to spread the defense out horizontally coupled with Russell's helter skelter style of play would have been wildly successful had Harvin not been such a frigging jerk.

The problem is that the conditions have changed, with the defense becoming progressively more suceptible, eventually leading to it being blown up this season, and Russell hasn't changed with it. It's not a viable option to insist that we completely revamp our O to fit Russell's strengths as his most valuable assest, his scrambling and ad lib style of play, have become predictable and his speed and quickness not as profound as before. Russell's game is going to have to change.

What concerns me most after these first couple of games isn't the sacks so much as it is his decision making and ball security. I honestly haven't seen enough replays (we were at the game Monday albiet in the end zone) but at least from my perspective at the game, my sense was that he hasn't had a lot of receivers open at any level. And I don't care what our stats monkey Anthony says, there's too many times where the ball isn't coming out quick enough.

It's a long year and we shouldn't be jumping to the "what's wrong with Russell" conclusions just yet. I can only say that no matter who we blame for this slow start, we need to get things turned around and do so quickly or else we're a runaway train heading for a washed out bridge. Most everybody can handle a 7-9 or 6-10 rebuilding season so long as there's reason to base their hopes on, but if it's another Jim Mora-style collapse, it'll get ugly.

[The POPE]

According to Anthony you guys got it all wrong. Just jump back to 2015 and all the problems are solved. Bring back Bevel, let Russell run around in circles and see where it goes. Russell has been a good 4th quarter QB, at least STAT wise because he has played from behind. D coordinators with a lead, loosen up the defense (that thing they call prevent defense) so that is when Russell is able to have the most success. The short and intermediate throws are much easier to complete when a defense is concentrating on preventing the big play. I will be sold on Wilson as elite when he can (in the here and now, not 2015) or just in the 4th quarter consistently show the ability to move the offense for more than 1 qtr a game playing catch-up. Unfortunately there will be a lot of catch up this year.

[Anthony]

According to Anthony you guys got it all wrong. Just jump back to 2015 and all the problems are solved. Bring back Bevel, let Russell run around in circles and see where it goes. Russell has been a good 4th quarter QB, at least STAT wise because he has played from behind. D coordinators with a lead, loosen up the defense (that thing they call prevent defense) so that is when Russell is able to have the most success. The short and intermediate throws are much easier to complete when a defense is concentrating on preventing the big play. I will be sold on Wilson as elite when he can (in the here and now, not 2015) or just in the 4th quarter consistently show the ability to move the offense for more than 1 qtr a game playing catch-up. Unfortunately there will be a lot of catch up this year.

Dude you even a fan just a troll who if you even watched the 2015 offense would know running around was far from what he was doing.

[The POPE]

Anthony my poor boy, your vision is so clouded with your love of Russell that you find it impossible to consider any view point other than this vision of Russell you have built in your head. Russell is an above average QB, not elite. Your Ego will not allow you to see the truth. Put your ego aside and you shall be set free from this cult like mentality you have developed in your pursuit to defend your idol. If that doesn’t work phyciatric care may be in order. Russell is not elite and never will be until he can carry an offense consistently. That’s just the way it is.

The Pope

[Anthony]

Anthony my poor boy, your vision is so clouded with your love of Russell that you find it impossible to consider any view point other than this vision of Russell you have built in your head. Russell is an above average QB, not elite. Your Ego will not allow you to see the truth. Put your ego aside and you shall be set free from this cult like mentality you have developed in your pursuit to defend your idol. If that doesn’t work phyciatric care may be in order. Russell is not elite and never will be until he can carry an offense consistently. That’s just the way it is.

The Pope

LOL so now we will go with the condescending route. LOL If I were you I would find an adult and have them try to get you out of Broadmoor. If not hope they try shock therapy you need it. FYI Wilson did carry the offense consistently for 8+ games when they ran the right system for him. So like I said find an adult and get them to sign you out and join us in reality.

[Futureite]

River;

True, I did not state that right. Bob was right. It's not accurate to say the team was built "around" Wilson, I agree. But I think the points that we are making are basically the same.

Even Joe Montana needed time to learn Wash's O. Look at Brady's trajectory. He did not become this superhuman QB he is now, where he can basically make any receiver look like an all pro behind any Line, until around 2007 - and that was not all due to Randy Moss. He made small progressions each year as a pocket QB and continued to learn the nuances of the position over 5 or 6 years, and Pats transformed into pass first team. That is just very hard to do though when an athletic QB plays under a D minded coach. Even a mediocre athlete like Drew Brees would not be who he is today had he stayed under Marty Shottenheimer, handing the ball off to LT and throwing to Antonio Gates. He grew and adapted as Payton forced him too, making him the focal point of the entire O.

This happens to all QBs who have not been exposed to it, young or experienced. Steve Young had to adapt his game painfully over several years. I am seeing the same things with Garoppolo. Holding the ball too long, pressing at times, leading to turnovers. Hey, it is not an easy position to play. Few master it. It requires the right coach, the right system and above all, time. It will be very interesting to see what direction the Seahawks go in the next couple years. You know I have been beating this drum for a couple years here. IMO the time has come for them to change their style and go with the known commodity. The odds of making Seattle a top pass first team in the league are likely much higher than recreating a once in a generation type D like LOB.

[obiken]

Anthony my poor boy, your vision is so clouded with your love of Russell that you find it impossible to consider any view point other than this vision of Russell you have built in your head. Russell is an above average QB, not elite. Your Ego will not allow you to see the truth. Put your ego aside and you shall be set free from this cult like mentality you have developed in your pursuit to defend your idol. If that doesn’t work phyciatric care may be in order. Russell is not elite and never will be until he can carry an offense consistently. That’s just the way it is.

The Pope

Russell is an above average QB, not elite. That's a lot of Poop, Pope. Then why does every major commentator, including Cowherd put him in the top 5?? IF you have any doubts Pope, put him on a good team and see what happens. He is becoming Pete's scapegoat for bad drafting on the Offensive line. Trade him to the Falcons for Matt Ryan and see how he does with Jones and Freeman. Then see how Ryan gets killed behind our warmed over dog food line. RW is not perfect but he is an elite QB. My worry is fans start blaming him for bad losses and he gets dealt. You never know what you've got till its gone.

[Aseahawkfan]

Russell is an above average QB, not elite. That's a lot of Poop, Pope. Then why does every major commentator, including Cowherd put him in the top 5?? IF you have any doubts Pope, put him on a good team and see what happens. He is becoming Pete's scapegoat for bad drafting on the Offensive line. Trade him to the Falcons for Matt Ryan and see how he does with Jones and Freeman. Then see how Ryan gets killed behind our warmed over dog food line. RW is not perfect but he is an elite QB. My worry is fans start blaming him for bad losses and he gets dealt. You never know what you've got till its gone.

Poor drafting on offense period. Besides Russell, I can't think of one home run they've drafted on offense. Doug Baldwin is probably the best player besides Russell they've developed on offense. They've made a bunch of garbage trades because of the bad drafting that seem desperate. I don't think Pete and John have done a very good job in the draft either, especially the O-line.

And they picked a Bevell clone OC. Pete continues to show he doesn't know offense very well. I guess John is following suit.

[trents]

I think it is imperative to put RW in motion and let him adlib. That's when he is at his best and that's when the team is able to move the ball.

Having said that, the big ? is how much longer can he do that effectively? He's no spring chicken any more. Soon he'l start to slow down.

[Anthony]

I think it is imperative to put RW in motion and let him adlib. That's when he is at his best and that's when the team is able to move the ball.

Having said that, the big ? is how much longer can he do that effectively? He's no spring chicken any more. Soon he'l start to slow down.

You dont need him in motion all the time. See 2015. Just run uptempo, let him run the offense and we will be fine. The question is will PC so that or force the PC ball crap he is trying to run now.

[RiverDog]

Poor drafting on offense period. Besides Russell, I can't think of one home run they've drafted on offense. Doug Baldwin is probably the best player besides Russell they've developed on offense. They've made a bunch of garbage trades because of the bad drafting that seem desperate. I don't think Pete and John have done a very good job in the draft either, especially the O-line.

And they picked a Bevell clone OC. Pete continues to show he doesn't know offense very well. I guess John is following suit.

Lockett and Richardson had deep threat capability. Not sure if those two fit your criteria, but they've both shown some explosiveness.

But there's no bout a doubt it, Pete's Achilles heal is offense, and it could be his undoing. I'm trying my best to hold my peace and give this new regime a chance, but these first two weeks have left me extremely anxious. I'm going over to London in a couple of weeks, and I don't want to go there with my tail between my legs.

[HumanCockroach]

I feel like I need popcorn....