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Re: Trump's Bosom Buddy Investigated For Bank Fraud

Postby RiverDog » Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:11 am

Aseahawkfan wrote:Hmm. One thing I'll give you, if he survives Cohen being flipped he'll be nearly bulletproof. Only way I see him getting taken down if that happens is the release of a tape with him speaking racial epithets during The Apprentice.


So you think that using a racial epithet some amount of years before he was even a candidate is a "high crime and misdemeanor"?

I do understand campaign finance law violations are extremely common. It's hard to manage everything perfectly with a campaign that large and so many zealots on both sides doing whatever they can to help you win or make you lose. This is his personal lawyer. If anyone can sink him, it's Cohen.


Yes, campaign finance law violations are pretty common. But the differences in the violations that Cohen plead guilty to is one of intent and that he supposedly conspired with Trump on it. It wasn't some bookkeeping error or accountant's oversight. But you're right about Cohen being the guy that can bring him down. He's Trump's John Dean. But like Dean, they're going to need some sort of physical evidence to push this thing forward (in Dean's case, it was the tapes that validated his claims). They can't turn it into a case of "my word against his", particularly in Cohen's case, as I agree with Idahawk that Cohen's not a credible witness due to his penchant for dishonesty. My understanding is that they do have evidence to back up Cohen's claims. We'll see.

We'll see if survives. If all they have are the payouts to women, I don't know if that will sink him given Clinton sat on the witness stand and committed perjury after banging an intern in The White House and skipped out. If Cohen doesn't have more, he might wriggle off the hook.


I agree 100%, and have used the Clinton example...if perjury with sex as its root cause isn't a "high crime and misdemeanor", then certainly a campaign violation with sex as its root cause isn't, either...on numerous occasions. But we'll see. Supposedly Cohen has lots more dirt and is willing to talk to anyone, including Congress, about what he knows. And so the drama builds.

IMO there is not a silver bullet in any of what's been released that can take Trump down. If he just lays low and lets it play out, I think he can survive. But if he does something really stupid, like granting a pardon to Manafort to prevent him from testifying or fires Mueller and/or shuts down the investigation, then I'd go along with an obstruction of justice impeachment charge. But I don't know if Trump has the self discipline to lay low. He's used to being in control, and it frustrates him not being able to use the powers that are constitutionally granted to him.

Trump really has turned The White House into a reality TV show and a picture of our times where realty TV stars and their associates are key figures in our politics. It's one of those times when reality is stranger than fiction.


10-4. Cbob said it best when he said that the Trump Adminstration will be one continous SNL skit, and he was exactly right. This is highly entertaining.
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Re: Trump's Bosom Buddy Investigated For Bank Fraud

Postby idhawkman » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:42 am

From what Lanny Davis said, they don't have additional information to prove the conspiracy charge but who knows, he could be lying about that, too.

I think if Trump lets the Manafort trials play out and he gets sentenced for whatever comes out before he pardons him, then there is no obstruction to be had. If Trump pardons Manafort it will be after the mid terms and after the trials and sentences have been dished out. Then he can pardon him without the risk of obstruction.
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Re: Trump's Bosom Buddy Investigated For Bank Fraud

Postby RiverDog » Thu Aug 23, 2018 8:46 am

idhawkman wrote:From what Lanny Davis said, they don't have additional information to prove the conspiracy charge but who knows, he could be lying about that, too.


Could be. I heard that Cohen had a lot of information he could disclose to back up his story, but I can't find anything to confirm that. They won't be able to pin anything on Trump if it's his word against Trump's. However, Davis has said that in relation to the Russian election meddling charges that Cohen not only has evidence of collusion, but that he has a "smoking gun" he's willing to share:

Lanny Davis, the attorney representing President Donald Trump's former longtime personal lawyer Michael Cohen, said Wednesday that Cohen knew of efforts by Trump to conspire with Russia to corrupt the 2016 presidential election.

Davis had previously teased that Cohen had "knowledge on certain subjects that should be of interest to the special counsel," but he came right out and suggested a smoking gun on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" on Wednesday morning.


We haven't heard the last from Michael Cohen. He's been subpoenaed by the State of New York in relation to documents about the Trump Foundation and he's likely to testify before Congress. Quite an about face for a guy that once said he'd take a bullet for Trump.

I think if Trump lets the Manafort trials play out and he gets sentenced for whatever comes out before he pardons him, then there is no obstruction to be had. If Trump pardons Manafort it will be after the mid terms and after the trials and sentences have been dished out. Then he can pardon him without the risk of obstruction.


Agreed.
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Re: Trump's Bosom Buddy Investigated For Bank Fraud

Postby idhawkman » Thu Aug 23, 2018 10:48 am

Its hard to say what Cohen has or what he claims to have. So far, his attorney and him as an attorney don't impress me much since they agreed to plea to two non criminal charges that will never be adjudicated or proven and will never set a precedent because of that.

I think Cohen is pleading to stuff to get a lighter sentence but the plea deal is a straight up plea deal which means he isn't going to get a lighter sentence if he cooperates or not. Again, not much of an attorney in my opinion.

BTW, even if Trump told Cohen to pay the money because of the election he is not guilty of any campaign finance laws. It's so farsical how the media is treating this great big "nothin' burger".
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Re: Trump's Bosom Buddy Investigated For Bank Fraud

Postby RiverDog » Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:39 am

idhawkman wrote:Its hard to say what Cohen has or what he claims to have. So far, his attorney and him as an attorney don't impress me much since they agreed to plea to two non criminal charges that will never be adjudicated or proven and will never set a precedent because of that.

I think Cohen is pleading to stuff to get a lighter sentence but the plea deal is a straight up plea deal which means he isn't going to get a lighter sentence if he cooperates or not. Again, not much of an attorney in my opinion.

BTW, even if Trump told Cohen to pay the money because of the election he is not guilty of any campaign finance laws. It's so farsical how the media is treating this great big "nothin' burger".


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Davis started his legal career as an associate at Patton Boggs in 1975 and became a partner in 1978. He served as special counsel to the President from 1996 to 1998, during which time he also was the spokesman for Clinton in issues regarding campaign finance investigations and other legal issues, including President Clinton's impeachment trial.

That part of his resume alone makes his experience pretty unique and directly applicable to the issues facing Michael Cohen. And what does it say about Donald Trump, supposedly such a great judge of talent and ability to surround himself with good people, if he hires a poor attorney and employs him for over a decade? IMO your bias is showing again.

I agree, that of the two issues currently facing Trump, the campaign finance violations are the lesser of the two. But if it comes out that he colluded with the Russians to tamper with the election, one in which he won by just 78.000 votes in 3 states, that the cumulative effect of both is going to cause him big problems as it would show that a very close election was corrupted by two illegal acts. It de-legitamizes his presidency.

Like I said, great drama, and I'm loving every minute of it!
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Re: Trump's Bosom Buddy Investigated For Bank Fraud

Postby idhawkman » Thu Aug 23, 2018 11:47 am

RiverDog wrote:
From Wiki:

Davis started his legal career as an associate at Patton Boggs in 1975 and became a partner in 1978. He served as special counsel to the President from 1996 to 1998, during which time he also was the spokesman for Clinton in issues regarding campaign finance investigations and other legal issues, including President Clinton's impeachment trial.

That part of his resume alone makes his experience pretty unique and directly applicable to the issues facing Michael Cohen. And what does it say about Donald Trump, supposedly such a great judge of talent and ability to surround himself with good people, if he hires a poor attorney and employs him for over a decade? IMO your bias is showing again.

I agree, that of the two issues currently facing Trump, the campaign finance violations are the lesser of the two. But if it comes out that he colluded with the Russians to tamper with the election, one in which he won by just 78.000 votes in 3 states, that the cumulative effect of both is going to cause him big problems as it would show that a very close election was corrupted by two illegal acts. It de-legitamizes his presidency.

Like I said, great drama, and I'm loving every minute of it!


LOL, you crack me up. Trump was suppose to know that the guy was cheating on his taxes? Trump has a lot of attorneys and Cohen was never involved on a major deal or project that Trump was involved in. He was an attorney that Trump gave the minnows biting at the toes jobs to. It says a lot that Trump took other people to the White House with him but not Cohen. I think your bias is showing on this, not mine.

The Russian collusion is a hoax - there's no laws against talking to foreigners during an election. If it were illegal, then every candidate who speaks to an illegal alien in the US is violating the same laws that Trump is alleged to have violated. There's just no there, there.
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Re: Trump's Bosom Buddy Investigated For Bank Fraud

Postby RiverDog » Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:37 pm

idhawkman wrote:The Russian collusion is a hoax - there's no laws against talking to foreigners during an election. If it were illegal, then every candidate who speaks to an illegal alien in the US is violating the same laws that Trump is alleged to have violated. There's just no there, there.


Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I'll wait until Mueller's report comes out before I pass judgment.

And keep in mind that if Trump is impeached, it's pretty much up to whatever Congress at the time says is a "high crime". They don't need any legal justification.
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Re: Trump's Bosom Buddy Investigated For Bank Fraud

Postby idhawkman » Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:00 pm

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And keep in mind that if Trump is impeached, it's pretty much up to whatever Congress at the time says is a "high crime". They don't need any legal justification.

Maybe but I'm sure some of the democrats will consider that the next time their guy is in the POTUS spot that they don't want to have them impeached for something minor. e.g. if he's impeached for campaign finance violations then Obama could have been impeached for the same thing. I don't think they want this to go around and around like that.
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Re: Trump's Bosom Buddy Investigated For Bank Fraud

Postby RiverDog » Thu Aug 23, 2018 3:08 pm

idhawkman wrote:Maybe but I'm sure some of the democrats will consider that the next time their guy is in the POTUS spot that they don't want to have them impeached for something minor. e.g. if he's impeached for campaign finance violations then Obama could have been impeached for the same thing. I don't think they want this to go around and around like that.


There's a huge difference between the campaign violations Trump is being accused of and the ones Obama committed. #1, Trump's being accused of knowingly making them, and #2, Trump's were intended to influence the election, or so says his former attorney.

But like I said, I don't think the campaign violations, by themselves, have enough stink to them to sway 15-18 R Senators.
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Re: Trump's Bosom Buddy Investigated For Bank Fraud

Postby idhawkman » Thu Aug 23, 2018 4:36 pm

RiverDog wrote:
There's a huge difference between the campaign violations Trump is being accused of and the ones Obama committed. #1, Trump's being accused of knowingly making them, and #2, Trump's were intended to influence the election, or so says his former attorney.

But like I said, I don't think the campaign violations, by themselves, have enough stink to them to sway 15-18 R Senators.

The biggest difference is that Obama's was illegal and Trumps isn't. We can start there. What about the non-reporting of the Hillary campaign regarding the payments to Perkins-Coie for the Dossier? That also is illegal.
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Re: Trump's Bosom Buddy Investigated For Bank Fraud

Postby RiverDog » Thu Aug 23, 2018 6:52 pm

idhawkman wrote:[The biggest difference is that Obama's was illegal and Trumps isn't. We can start there. What about the non-reporting of the Hillary campaign regarding the payments to Perkins-Coie for the Dossier? That also is illegal.


I disagree. IMO Trump's "donation" was highly illegal. Secondly, you're back to your old tricks, defending Trump's actions by the actions of others, ie two wrongs don't make a right.

And lastly, Trump's "donation", or more accurately described as hush money, legal or illegal, influenced the election.
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Re: Trump's Bosom Buddy Investigated For Bank Fraud

Postby idhawkman » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:18 am

RiverDog wrote:I disagree. IMO Trump's "donation" was highly illegal.


Well then it is a good thing your opinion does not make laws.

Secondly, you're back to your old tricks, defending Trump's actions by the actions of others, ie two wrongs don't make a right.


Again, not two wrongs, only one on behalf of Obama.


And lastly, Trump's "donation", or more accurately described as hush money, legal or illegal, influenced the election.

Duh! happens all the time. So what? It is legal if the candidate pays it himself out of his own funds and it has a dual purpose. Don't like it, petition your congressmen to change the law. Good luck with that though because they all are doing it. Have you heard about the slush fund of money to pay off suits against congressmen and senators? They actually allocated money to pay off their staff and others from law suits for sexual harrassment and other violations by themselves.
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Re: Trump's Bosom Buddy Investigated For Bank Fraud

Postby Aseahawkfan » Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:37 pm

Money influencing an election is not illegal at all or our elections would be very different. Foreign powers influencing an election are not illegal. Hiring foreign spies is not illegal. Contracting with foreign representatives to find dirt is not illegal.

Certain methods of doing so are illegal, but not the general use. Rules must be followed, but the reality is our elections have paid hush money, manipulated information, and been affected by foreign powers for many years now.

it's even been argued and evidence collected that our higher education system was infiltrated by Russian operatives specifically intending to incite racial strife, class strife, and subvert capitalism and democracy by constantly attacking its founders on purpose with a long-term game plan in mind. It's pretty obvious higher education has been successfully liberalized.
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Re: Trump's Bosom Buddy Investigated For Bank Fraud

Postby idhawkman » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:07 pm

Aseahawkfan wrote:Money influencing an election is not illegal at all or our elections would be very different. Foreign powers influencing an election are not illegal. Hiring foreign spies is not illegal. Contracting with foreign representatives to find dirt is not illegal.

Actually the last two if money or value is transferred to the foreign entity is illegal. That's why the Trump tower meeting is not illegal but Hillary and the DNC paying Christopher Steele (British foreign national) is illegal. That's why they tried to hide it by funneling it through the Perkins-Coie law firm as "Legal Research Fees" when they reported the expenditures to the Election Commission.

We all now know that the law firm paid Fusion GPS who then hired Christopher Steele (Former British Spy) who paid Russians for unverified dirt that made its way to the "Trump Dossier". When Christopher Steele was deposed by the British courts he claimed the information was raw intelligence and none of it was verified. That's why the FISA warrants that relied on the Dossier is important and why the congress wants the unredacted FISA warrants to spy on American Citizens who were part of the Trump campaign based on an unverified phony dossier.
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Re: Trump's Bosom Buddy Investigated For Bank Fraud

Postby Aseahawkfan » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:07 pm

idhawkman wrote:Actually the last two if money or value is transferred to the foreign entity is illegal. That's why the Trump tower meeting is not illegal but Hillary and the DNC paying Christopher Steele (British foreign national) is illegal. That's why they tried to hide it by funneling it through the Perkins-Coie law firm as "Legal Research Fees" when they reported the expenditures to the Election Commission.


It may be illegal for direct exchange of funds, but it happens every election for both parties. Plenty of ways to get around laws. Foreign influence in American elections is a long occurring problem that gets brushed over by both parties. It's why I chuckle at Democrats outraged over Trump. They are all a bunch of hypocrites. Fact is that many nations have business interests with America. They always will. No modern nation with any power will not have ties to other nations of all kinds that influence elections, policy, and government. I'm not sure even the Democrats want this dirty laundry aired as they will suffer just as badly if it becomes a serious issue. These lists are just some of the more known or rumored interference in our elections. I'd bet money if a serious investigation were conducted, it would like the metoo# movement for sexual harassment. Politician after politician getting picked off for accepting or somehow being associated with foreign funds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia_lobby_in_the_United_States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_electoral_intervention
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Re: Trump's Bosom Buddy Investigated For Bank Fraud

Postby idhawkman » Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:08 am

Aseahawkfan wrote:
It may be illegal for direct exchange of funds, but it happens every election for both parties. Plenty of ways to get around laws. Foreign influence in American elections is a long occurring problem that gets brushed over by both parties. It's why I chuckle at Democrats outraged over Trump. They are all a bunch of hypocrites. Fact is that many nations have business interests with America. They always will. No modern nation with any power will not have ties to other nations of all kinds that influence elections, policy, and government. I'm not sure even the Democrats want this dirty laundry aired as they will suffer just as badly if it becomes a serious issue. These lists are just some of the more known or rumored interference in our elections. I'd bet money if a serious investigation were conducted, it would like the metoo# movement for sexual harassment. Politician after politician getting picked off for accepting or somehow being associated with foreign funds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia_lobby_in_the_United_States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_electoral_intervention

100% agree. The one that really ticked me off was the Chinese funding for the Bill Clinton elections.

I think the main reason they are going after everyone around Trump and Trump so hard is to discourage anyone from ever wanting to disrupt their gravy train again. If you aren't part of the selected political class, you better not run and if you do, you better not win and if you do, we'll ruin you and everyone around you. That's the message being sent.

Have you seen how much money Mueller made in the private sector from contracts with the Comey FBI? I know that Comey made at least $36M personally from the Mueller FBI on non-compete contracts and that only covers 4 of his 8 years in private sector working for Lockheed Martin. Its all a revolving cash door for these political hacks that are suppose to be Honorable men government servants.
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Re: Trump's Bosom Buddy Investigated For Bank Fraud

Postby burrrton » Sat Aug 25, 2018 10:35 am

This is a pretty good, and fair, explanation and evaluation of the Cohen/Trump kerfuffle:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/08/ ... al-intent/
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Re: Trump's Bosom Buddy Investigated For Bank Fraud

Postby Aseahawkfan » Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:01 pm

idhawkman wrote:100% agree. The one that really ticked me off was the Chinese funding for the Bill Clinton elections.

I think the main reason they are going after everyone around Trump and Trump so hard is to discourage anyone from ever wanting to disrupt their gravy train again. If you aren't part of the selected political class, you better not run and if you do, you better not win and if you do, we'll ruin you and everyone around you. That's the message being sent.

Have you seen how much money Mueller made in the private sector from contracts with the Comey FBI? I know that Comey made at least $36M personally from the Mueller FBI on non-compete contracts and that only covers 4 of his 8 years in private sector working for Lockheed Martin. Its all a revolving cash door for these political hacks that are suppose to be Honorable men government servants.


The Democrats won't admit it, but Trump is more like the Clintons, specifically Bill Clinton, than he is like any Republican president. He's like a narcissistic, combative, bombastic, rude, and willfully ignorant Bill Clinton or JFK. Normally Republican presidents for all their corruption are usually reserved, plain spoken, and generally don't end up involved in the philandering scandals. This is the first Republican president in my life time or that I've read much about of being so morally corrupt when it comes to women. Maybe I'm not paying attention, but prior to Trump most of the Republican presidents were usually known as faithful to their spouses. It was mostly Democratic presidents like JFK and Bill Clinton that were the philanderers cheating on their wives and families multiple times shaming the mother's of their children. That is one area where Trump is far ahead of both JFK and Clinton. I don't think we've had a president whose banging around is this prolific that it has continued into his 60s and 70s. This is one area where if Hawktawk said, "This president has cheated on his wife more often than any other president in history", he would be right.

I just don't like this guy as president IDhawkman. It's really sad that this is the only guy Republicans and Americans could find that would stand up to China, make our corporate tax structure more competitive, and push for real immigration reform to slow down the rush over the border and the willingness of immigrants to hide for years here after their visa expires. I know most don't realize that corporate taxes are not very high in the nations with socialized medicine as corporations do not pay for their social programs, but most of the people thinking Trump's corporate tax cuts were any different than most in the world just don't study corporate taxes in other nations. As I've argued with Democratic socialists and those that want socialized welfare, it is the middle and working class that pay for it. It's a well-documented fact that businesses don't pay for it other than making sure the middle and working class taxes are collected by the governnmet and providing the job base for this collection. Governments, even governments in nations with socialized medicine, know that businesses keeping people employed is what pays the bills, not over-taxing businesses and attempting to use the government to grow the economy.

Trump has made too many enemies in both parties and in too many departments of government to survive this onslaught. He's even attacking one of his major supporters in the Department of Justice Jeff Sessions attempting to bully him into doing what he wants. That is not a smart way to do things. Sessions was a very staunch religious conservative. I'm quite certain he recused himself in the interest of doing the right thing as far as justice is concerned as enforcement of the law in a fair, impartial, and exacting manner is his goal. Now Trump's trying to bully him into protecting him publically. It's a dumb move to continually create enemies of former confidants. Trump thinks above everyone and everything. Fact is you need to work with people in a nation get things done, not be constantly bullying them and expecting loyalty no matter what you do. I doubt even you would tolerate someone treating you in the manner Trump is treating people even that were part of his staff. I also you would have let so many lower character snakes into your inner circle like Cohen and Omarosa.
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Re: Trump's Bosom Buddy Investigated For Bank Fraud

Postby idhawkman » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:12 am

Cohen got 3 years in prison, $500,000 restitution and $50,000 fine. I think this is pretty light considering what he was facing.

Remember, he got $4.5M from selling access to corporations that he never delivered on. So the money is no big deal and 36 months as opposed to the 4 to 6 years he was facing... He got off light.
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Postby RiverDog » Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:03 pm

Aseahawkfan wrote:The Democrats won't admit it, but Trump is more like the Clintons, specifically Bill Clinton, than he is like any Republican president. He's like a narcissistic, combative, bombastic, rude, and willfully ignorant Bill Clinton or JFK. Normally Republican presidents for all their corruption are usually reserved, plain spoken, and generally don't end up involved in the philandering scandals. This is the first Republican president in my life time or that I've read much about of being so morally corrupt when it comes to women. Maybe I'm not paying attention, but prior to Trump most of the Republican presidents were usually known as faithful to their spouses. It was mostly Democratic presidents like JFK and Bill Clinton that were the philanderers cheating on their wives and families multiple times shaming the mother's of their children. That is one area where Trump is far ahead of both JFK and Clinton. I don't think we've had a president whose banging around is this prolific that it has continued into his 60s and 70s. This is one area where if Hawktawk said, "This president has cheated on his wife more often than any other president in history", he would be right.


Eisenhower had a well known extramarital affair going on with his female driver in England during WW2. He obviously wasn't POTUS during that time, but he was the most powerful man in the European theatre, and having the affair exposed him to a possible blackmail attempt. In today's army, he would have been court martialed. His affair was every bit as reckless and dangerous to security of the country as JFK's and Slick Willy's escapades.
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Postby idhawkman » Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:24 pm

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Eisenhower had a well known extramarital affair going on with his female driver in England during WW2. He obviously wasn't POTUS during that time, but he was the most powerful man in the European theatre, and having the affair exposed him to a possible blackmail attempt. In today's army, he would have been court martialed. His affair was every bit as reckless and dangerous to security of the country as JFK's and Slick Willy's escapades.

Good point River, expecially how you outline the difference in times. E.g. in Today's world, I'm not sure anyone would bat an eye at Eisenhower unless the MSM kept beating a drum about it everynight and making more and more salatious accusations every night until they got everyone in an uproar. Most likely, they would bury the story and move on though depending on if they agreed with his policies or not, gave them the access they want or not, etc.
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Re: Trump's Bosom Buddy Investigated For Bank Fraud

Postby RiverDog » Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:13 pm

idhawkman wrote:

Eisenhower had a well known extramarital affair going on with his female driver in England during WW2. He obviously wasn't POTUS during that time, but he was the most powerful man in the European theatre, and having the affair exposed him to a possible blackmail attempt. In today's army, he would have been court martialed. His affair was every bit as reckless and dangerous to security of the country as JFK's and Slick Willy's escapades.

Good point River, expecially how you outline the difference in times. E.g. in Today's world, I'm not sure anyone would bat an eye at Eisenhower unless the MSM kept beating a drum about it everynight and making more and more salatious accusations every night until they got everyone in an uproar. Most likely, they would bury the story and move on though depending on if they agreed with his policies or not, gave them the access they want or not, etc.


There was no "MSM" in WW2. At least in the theatres of operations, the media was completely controlled by the military. Reporters had specific rules on what the could and couldn't report on, such as they wouldn't allow pictures of dead American soldiers until late in the war, and even then, they weren't allowed to show the dead soldier's faces. Everything had to go through military censors.

Eisenhower's affairs was an open secret, known by the lowest ranking privates, but it was never reported on. And even after the war and up to the Vietnam/Watergate era, reporters simply didn't mention anything about a politician's private life. That all changed in the '60's.

I don't necessarily agree with ASF's point about sexual scandals affecting just Democrats. The R POTUS's may not have been touched, but there's been plenty of Senators and Congressmen that have had their problems, the latest being Alabama Senator Roy Moore.

Here's an article that discusses the difference between the R's and D's sexual escapades:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... 0e7595ba09
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Re: Trump's Bosom Buddy Investigated For Bank Fraud

Postby idhawkman » Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:39 pm

RiverDog wrote:There was no "MSM" in WW2. At least in the theatres of operations, the media was completely controlled by the military. Reporters had specific rules on what the could and couldn't report on, such as they wouldn't allow pictures of dead American soldiers until late in the war, and even then, they weren't allowed to show the dead soldier's faces. Everything had to go through military censors.

Eisenhower's affairs was an open secret, known by the lowest ranking privates, but it was never reported on. And even after the war and up to the Vietnam/Watergate era, reporters simply didn't mention anything about a politician's private life. That all changed in the '60's.

I don't necessarily agree with ASF's point about sexual scandals affecting just Democrats. The R POTUS's may not have been touched, but there's been plenty of Senators and Congressmen that have had their problems, the latest being Alabama Senator Roy Moore.

Here's an article that discusses the difference between the R's and D's sexual escapades:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... 0e7595ba09


Agree on what you say here completely. I may not have been clear but "IF" Eisenhower was in this day then my comments apply - that's what I meant.

Regarding the republicans, I think it very rich that some of them are talking behind closed doors about the Mueller camapaign finance issues when $15.5M has been paid out to both Dems and Repubs for the same exact thing without reporting to the campaign. The biggest difference is that Trump did it with his own money, did it while a private citizen (even though he claims the accusations are false) and did it through a lawyer. The House Representatives and Senators on both sides have done it with OUR money, while they were in office and kept it all hush hush and sealed. If Trump gets articles of impreachment I think there is going to be an outcry for them to disclose who was paid on whose behalf and what the charges were. That should make them all think twice about trying to impeach him on these Bogus charges.
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Postby Aseahawkfan » Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:08 pm

RiverDog wrote:I don't necessarily agree with ASF's point about sexual scandals affecting just Democrats. The R POTUS's may not have been touched, but there's been plenty of Senators and Congressmen that have had their problems, the latest being Alabama Senator Roy Moore.


Only talking about presidents. Not sure why you so often infer more than I intend. As far as Republicans and Democrats in general, they cheat likely the same.

Here's an article that discusses the difference between the R's and D's sexual escapades:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... 0e7595ba09


Big surprise Democrats more likely to do it at the workplace.
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Postby RiverDog » Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:37 pm

Aseahawkfan wrote:Only talking about presidents. Not sure why you so often infer more than I intend. As far as Republicans and Democrats in general, they cheat likely the same.


I understood what you said, but by in large, POTUS's are cut from the same cloth as Senators/Governors, etc, so where you made a distinction, I did not.

Big surprise Democrats more likely to do it at the workplace.


Yea, I'm not sure how to interpet that. Perhaps the Slick Willy factor.
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Postby Aseahawkfan » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:06 pm

RiverDog wrote:Yea, I'm not sure how to interpet that. Perhaps the Slick Willy factor.

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Or the hippy free love movement the current Democratic Party grew out of. Their movement was always slimy when it came to sex. Their idea of a free woman was a sexually promiscuous women that acts like a man. The Free Love movement was very much a part of the current Democratic Party. The younger generation may be different given how staid this generation has become. I imagine a great deal of the feminist backlash is the excess from the 60s to the 90s where feminism to Democratic males meant easy sex.

I would blame it more on Kennedy than Slick Willy. Kennedy was the president Slick Willy most wanted to emulate.
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Postby idhawkman » Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:21 am

Aseahawkfan wrote:'
Or the hippy free love movement the current Democratic Party grew out of. Their movement was always slimy when it came to sex. Their idea of a free woman was a sexually promiscuous women that acts like a man. The Free Love movement was very much a part of the current Democratic Party. The younger generation may be different given how staid this generation has become. I imagine a great deal of the feminist backlash is the excess from the 60s to the 90s where feminism to Democratic males meant easy sex.

I would blame it more on Kennedy than Slick Willy. Kennedy was the president Slick Willy most wanted to emulate.

Never ceases to amaze me how the pendulum swings back with unintended consequences every time.
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Aseahawkfan wrote:Or the hippy free love movement the current Democratic Party grew out of. Their movement was always slimy when it came to sex. Their idea of a free woman was a sexually promiscuous women that acts like a man. The Free Love movement was very much a part of the current Democratic Party. The younger generation may be different given how staid this generation has become. I imagine a great deal of the feminist backlash is the excess from the 60s to the 90s where feminism to Democratic males meant easy sex.

I would blame it more on Kennedy than Slick Willy. Kennedy was the president Slick Willy most wanted to emulate.


If it were the "hippy free love" movement that was responsible, they probably wouldn't have jobs.

I agree about Slick Willy emulating JFK. I've often thought that one of the reasons why he was so unfaithful with his wife and took so many risks was due an obsession with JFK.

I do know that there's an urge amongst some men to adapt a political philosphy as a means of getting closer to women. I've heard guys comment that one way of getting an easy lay is to go to some women's rights rally or demonstration.


This thread is starting to turn in the direction of the #Metoo backlash thread.
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Postby idhawkman » Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:10 am

RiverDog wrote:
I do know that there's an urge amongst some men to adapt a political philosphy as a means of getting closer to women. I've heard guys comment that one way of getting an easy lay is to go to some women's rights rally or demonstration.


I have to admit, this never crossed my mind but I bet it would work like a charm.
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