RiverDog wrote:This article is pretty disgusting in the way it paints the relationship between the NFL and it's fans:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/the ... spartanntp
All we are to them is a dollar sign. I wish that all 32 NFL teams had an arrangement like the Packers do.
It's a good article with lots of truth to it. But the responsibility of keeping a franchise in town is a 2 way street.
You could read into this article that spanos was plenty willing to stay if he had a new building . In other words he was willing to forego 2 billion in windfall and less income forever if the community and NFL were willing to finance the new stadium. They never did. I feel for these fans. Were it not for Paul Allen there would be no Seahawks .
But it's got to be a public private cooperation for economic growth and quality of living that the community . They must be willing to invest heavily in short term to reaize long term benefits. Pro sports designate a world class city, even if it's somewhat of a loss leader on the books.overall it's a quality of living amenity.
Look no further than the sonics and idiots like Locke and Gregoire who played chicken with clay Bennett over an arena and allowed him to steal the team. Now guys like ballmer etc are willing to spend whatever it takes to get a team back and still can't get one.
IIt is what it is. You have to pay to play
I love sports, but we need massive infusion of money to start educating our kids, instead of building single purpose sports stadiums.
Hawktawk wrote:Yeah teachers need more money. The average salary package in Washington state is 67k in wages and 23 k in benefits for a total compensation of 90 k. Assistant principals make 125k. Principal who know ? It's an important job but really? It's 9 months too.
The problem with education isn't money.
Subsidizing a pro team resulting in joy in the hearts of millions of fans and selling memorabilia, filling hotels and restaurants and paying many millions in taxes is a far better return on investment than dumping money down the utterly dysfunctional rathole known as public education or giving people money to sit on their as and do drugs(i.e. Welfare.
Hawktawk wrote:http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000773226/article/roger-goodells-statement-on-chargers-relocating-team.
It looks like I was right. Spanos went above and beyond trying to make it work. The short sighted voters who turned down the initiative to build the stadium with cry in their beer forever cause they are never coming back.
obiken wrote:Let him do what Paul Allen did North Hawk. We owe these billionaires nothing!
Its up to league to show the fans integrity, they NEVER HAVE! They never did for the Colts, the Cards, the Raiders 2X, the Browns, the Rams 2X, and now the Chargers. How you can defend this is a joke. Go talk to the Fans of St. Louis. Look at the Rangers, now they want a new stadium and they got it. Please, its time to tell them to get bent.
RiverDog wrote:
What are you talking about, Obi? The public paid for 70% of the cost of our stadium. Paul Allen chipped in just $130M on a total cost of $430M to build our stadium.
mykc14 wrote: IMO it's the distribution of the money that is the problem.
Let him do what Paul Allen did North Hawk. We owe these billionaires nothing!
Its up to league to show the fans integrity, they NEVER HAVE! They never did for the Colts, the Cards, the Raiders 2X, the Browns, the Rams 2X, and now the Chargers. How you can defend this is a joke. Go talk to the Fans of St. Louis. Look at the Rangers, now they want a new stadium and they got it. Please, its time to tell them to get bent.
Hawktawk wrote:Exactly RD. I though it was half but either way..Hindsight is 20-20 but how has the investment the taxpayers of the state of washington made paid off in your opinion?
Obi?
U out there bud? Should we have told Paul Allen sorry man build it yourself? Its sort of like a really fancy port district. Its a public private partnership for economic development. You have to give to get and give to keep.
Pro sports franchises don't grow on trees.
Hawktawk wrote:You kind of contradict yourself Rd. You voted for public money to keep Seattle now you think it should be gone?
It ain't gonna happen . No team leaves without a lousy stadium and a lack of support within the community anymore.
You got to pay to play its how it is. It's harder to make that case with a perennial loser though.
Socalhawk wrote:The article was written by a guy that obviously does not live in San Diego. I do and what the author didn't bother to check was what actually happened here. Had he done so his article would have been strengthened.
What is never mentioned is Dean refused MULTIPLE offers by the city and only wanted his own plan which was DOA from the beginning. It would have cost the City over $1B. No single city can afford that. His first plan was for the city to give him free of charge 166 acres to build a 60 acre stadium. Duhhh anyone knows a transfer like that is illegal.
Dean Spanos only other proposal was downtown but included things that were known to be illegal. Even if approved it would have lost in the courts.
The city kept offering to negotiate a stadium on the same city owned property where the current stadium is. Its the same 166 acres Spanos wanted gifted to him free of charge. Deans response was the property his team played in for 56 yrs wasn't good enough and he would never play there again.
The city offered Spanos a $1per yr development lease on that same 166 acre property but because they wouldn't transfer ownership to him he ignored the offer. Spanos refused every city offer, the majority he simply ignored.
The article is deeply flawed. The Chargers wii be playing in a 30,000 seat soccer stadium with no luxury suites. Selling expensive PSLs requires a fanbase willing to pay for them. An NFL survey showed the Chargers to be 7th or 8th in NFL popularity in LA. He's lost his entire San Diego fanbase.
The real value Spanos gains is in the value of his franchise. Its probably worth $2B now. I doubt he will ever play in Inglewood with the Rams. He will try to get Carson to pony up $2.2B to build the stadium he and the Raiders proposed last year, only this time without the Raiders. If he can't get a stadium with Carson or Eli Broad in the City of Industry he will sell the team.
Bad teams have bad or inept owners.
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