Cable and pass protection

[Anthony]

An interesting line I just read. If things stay as they are this will be the 11th straight year were a Cable oline has been ranked 20th or worse in pass protection. That's through 11 years, 3 teams, many different QBs, GMs, Coaches, personnel etc. HMM According to footballoutsiders.com that's correct he was the Atl oline coach in 2006, Oakland form 2007-2011, and then us and while his run blocking has been good, his pass protection never good at all. What I find interesting is in 2007 Atl was ranked 31st, the next year after he left 24th. When he was at Oakland they were ranked 26th, the year after he left 5th. The Hawks the year before he got there were ranked 14th. Since no higher than 20th. The avg ranking in pass blocking while Cable has been here 26th. HMM makes you wonder..

[EmeraldBullet]

That's kinda why teams hire him. It's his job to make it kinda work while being dealt a $#!T hand. He's expected to make it good enough with minimum talent. I would not blame him for the lines lack of success, we should be thankful we aren't the absolute worst. If you divide success by payroll he has done an incredible job.

[Anthony]

That's kinda why teams hire him. It's his job to make it kinda work while being dealt a $#!T hand. He's expected to make it good enough with minimum talent. I would not blame him for the lines lack of success, we should be thankful we aren't the absolute worst. If you divide success by payroll he has done an incredible job.

LOL I think you missed the point, while his teams have been good at running for the most part they have sucked at pass protection and that is his MO. Worse they have gotten better once he left. FYI That's not a good thing.

[Hawk Sista]

Hmmmmmm. I think you missed his point, Anthony. He/we can all read the stats.... Emerald was offering his opinion on the why, not the what.

[RiverDog]

That's kinda why teams hire him. It's his job to make it kinda work while being dealt a $#!T hand. He's expected to make it good enough with minimum talent. I would not blame him for the lines lack of success, we should be thankful we aren't the absolute worst. If you divide success by payroll he has done an incredible job.

I'm not a huge Tom Cable fan. It's not like he's never been given any resources whatsoever as he has been given several high draft picks (Carpenter, Moffitt, Britt) that he obviously had the lion's share of input on. The fact that we've never either acquired and/or developed a lineman that was worthy of a second contract has to at least partially fall back on his shoulders. He's not just a card player sitting at the table being dealt random cards.

[Anthony]

Hmmmmmm. I think you missed his point, Anthony. He/we can all read the stats.... Emerald was offering his opinion on the why, not the what.

opinion on why to what? why his olines have been bad at pass protection but then once he leaves they improve? Seems there was an assumption he was always given crap to work with, what if that has not been the case but when it comes to pass blocking he is just not a good coach. I am not saying that it is the case but the evidence can lead you to conclude that.

[obiken]

I'm not a huge Tom Cable fan. It's not like he's never been given any resources whatsoever as he has been given several high draft picks (Carpenter, Moffitt, Britt) that he obviously had the lion's share of input on. The fact that we've never either acquired and/or developed a lineman that was worthy of a second contract has to at least partially fall back on his shoulders. He's not just a card player sitting at the table being dealt random cards.

Me either River, I think the whole strategy might be viable IF you have one good OL like a Center or a LT but going cheap and hoping TC can coach them up has been a failure against the GB and the Cards. IF we get 0 injuries on Defense we have time to dink around, but that time is coming to a halt. IF we don't get the bye we are done IMHO, just like last year.

[Anthony]

Me either River, I think the whole strategy might be viable IF you have one good OL like a Center or a LT but going cheap and hoping TC can coach them up has been a failure against the GB and the Cards. IF we get 0 injuries on Defense we have time to dink around, but that time is coming to a halt. IF we don't get the bye we are done IMHO, just like last year.

You could be right what make things worse it his refusal to use the up-tempo the whole game. This at least mitigates the oline being bad enough for us to function, But they refuse to use it the whole game, they have to use their 15 scripted waste of plays, and then probe for a half till they say well let's use what works.

[obiken]

You could be right what make things worse it eh refusal to use the up-tempo the whole game. This at least mitigates the line being bad enough for us to function, BUtthey refuse to use it the whle game, they have to use their 15 scripted waste of plays, and then probe for a half till they say well let's use what works.

Anthony I think Next year they are going to have to pony up for a decent LT to protect RW's backside he is not getting any younger.

[NorthHawk]

So how do you get a good LT?
Good ones rarely become available as most teams want to keep them and it's not like you can just draft a starter as we've seen.
People talk about Joe Thomas, but he's 32 and the Browns need good Offensive linemen, so his price would probably be very high. The combination of salary, age, and loss of draft picks might not work as it could be a lost draft since we already don't have a 4th or 5th this year.

With how Fant has improved throughout this year, he might become a solid, but maybe not Pro Bowl type LT given where he will start from in 2017 and his experience this year. I can see drafting a future LT, RT or maybe a RT FA who is like Breno was in both physicality and attitude.

[Anthony]

Anthony I think Next year they are going to have to pony up for a decent LT to protect RW's backside he is not getting any younger.

I agree they should, but am very concerned they will not. They have not proven a willingness to pony up any thing but failed draft picks and low end FAs