Official Seahawks vs Cardinals Christmas Eve GAME Thread

[Anthony]

You cost yourself credibility when you contradict film Anthony . I have no idea wtf you are talking about with alligator arms but lockette (a) was full extended trying to reach a ball too far in front. (B )Ricardo lockette was one if the most fearless Seahawks ever who would never have gotten alligator arms in this or any other situation.the guy was the best gunner we ever had.

I've watched the bootleg film from the right flag in the back of the end zone. Browner not only welds kearse but gets a piece of lockettes jersey as he cuts inside slowing him down. It's on Russ to put that ball where only lockette could catch it or throw it away and he did not. Lockette is least responsible for what happened .

dude I did not cost myself anthing the film cleary shows Wilson looked left and did not stare like you said, it clearly shows Kearse not getting his jam, it clearly shows locket not comin gof the line hard, it cleqrly shows him not coming out of his break hard, qdn it cleqarly shows him aligator arming it. Heck his own OC said so, Huard noted it, moon noted it even millan said it, So the only credibility in question is yours.

[Anthony]

I've read all of HC's posts. Every one of them. He did not blame Wilson for "everything." His opinion on the SB 49 pick was essentially the same as most posters in this forum with one notable exception.

And would you please work a little bit on your grammar and organize your thoughts before you start keyboarding. Your posts are torturous to read. I'm not some sort of grammar police, but I'm used to a little more structured, organized thought being communicated on this forum than what you've been writing.

As far as you're being criticized here, you're right, it doesn't mean that you were wrong. What it means is that you hold a solitary opinion.

ahh it was not HC I wsa repsonding to it was Hawktalk or whatever guess you did not read it huh

[HumanCockroach]

you are right what you say is horse shite

And that my friends sums up Anthony in a nut shell.... Odds are he's here because he again spouted off, got schooled repeatedly, threw a couple classy insults like this and either got ejected or tucked tail and ran.... Either way, whatever.

Keep it up toolshed, you're a gnat, with little to add, and nothing important to say.

[HumanCockroach]

ahh it was not HC I wsa repsonding to it was Hawktalk or whatever guess you did not read it huh

Could be that, of course it could simply be you were, so busy insulting and picking fights with various more intelligent, more reasoned, more logical, less insulting, more respected, better thought out posts and posters, Rd wasn't entirely sure whom it was you were insulting and attempting to draw into a verbal confrontation on your level that he simply didn't follow your ramblings.

[Anthony]

And that my friends sums up Anthony in a nut shell.... Odds are he's here because he again spouted off, got schooled repeatedly, threw a couple classy insults like this and either got ejected or tucked tail and ran.... Either way, whatever.

Keep it up toolshed, you're a gnat, with little to add, and nothing important to say.

LOL great comeback gelding, LOL what a joke, I came back for laughs and you are providing them in spades. LOL thanks

[HumanCockroach]

Whatever. If it helps you sleep at night, tell yourself whatever you need to.

[Anthony]

Could be that, of course it could simply be you were, so busy insulting and picking fights with various more intelligent, more reasoned, more logical, less insulting, more respected, better thought out posts and posters, Rd wasn't entirely sure whom it was you were insulting and attempting to draw into a verbal confrontation on your level that he simply didn't follow your ramblings.

Or it could be you are clueless, sticking your nose were it does not belong doing your bully thing. As to more intelligent blah blah blah, one thing is for sure you are non of those things, gelding. But you are funny, a complete joke. FYI even you could have easily known who I was talking to at the time since I quoted him in my post, so nice try you still a buffoon, but a funny one.

[HumanCockroach]

Or it could be you are clueless, sticking your nose were it does not belong doing your bully thing

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It's a message board shed.

Bleet on lamb, bleet on...

[Anthony]

It's a message board shed.

Bleet on lamb, bleet on...

Says the gelding grow a pair before you take on a grown up next time gelding

[HumanCockroach]

Whatever Jr.

[Anthony]

Whatever Jr.

Thats Whatever Sir to you gelding

[EmeraldBullet]

Wow, this topic was completely ruined. Thanks a lot HC and Anthony for devolving a logical discussion about the game into name calling. This topic might as well be locked or moved to the Off topic section at this point.

[HumanCockroach]

I apologise Emerald, to be fair I certainly attempted to continue a discussion, even after Anthony's insults were thrown at RD, Hawktalk, Savvy and myself, that said I apologise for taking his bait.

[Anthony]

Wow, this topic was completely ruined. Thanks a lot HC and Anthony for devolving a logical discussion about the game into name calling. This topic might as well be locked or moved to the Off topic section at this point.

While I am sorry it resorted to this, I am not sorry for standing up. I did not start this, but I also will not back down from his bully tactics. I never called River any names and in fact RIver misread a post thinking it was in response to HC which is was not. IF HC wants to try again without the insults I am open to it, but thats up to him.

[HumanCockroach]

SMH... Sigh.

[Anthony]

SMH... Sigh.

[RiverDog]

Wow, this topic was completely ruined. Thanks a lot HC and Anthony for devolving a logical discussion about the game into name calling. This topic might as well be locked or moved to the Off topic section at this point.

You have my apologies, Em. I'm as bad as the rest of them.

And Anthony, can you understand now that your opinions on Russell are way out in left field? HC, Hawktalk, and myself seldom all agree on a subject, but we have all concluded that you have an obsession about Russell that prevents you from seeing the game objectively. Had Hass been the one that threw that pick in SB 49, you would have been all over him like a fly on a turd.

Anyhow, I'll do my best to make that my last comment on the subject and try to bow out of the Anthony bashing. It's apparent that some of the others are not entertained by it.

[savvyman]

Did a tornado blow through here or was that just Anthony?

These posts bring back memories of myself and Anthony's former persona "Star" something going at it over Shaun "Dance Dance Dance" Alexander back at the old PI Boards - - Good Times.

It is important that people realize that you need antagonists people and even rivals on a successful message board - their presence will lead to more posts and also more conflict - -- which will also lead to more posts and more traffic as everyone tunes in to see how the person will respond.

I cut my posting teeth in the Old Yahoo Finance Stock Message boards back in the mid-late 90's when there were no rules or regulations and it was truly the wild west and ANYTHING could be (and WAS) said without any fears of retribution or lawsuits - Those was really...... wild...... times!

[Agent 86]

Bah, I could care less. I was surprised to see Anthony back in here, but not surprised it started what it did with a few other posters.

I agree Savvy, you need antogonists, we just all wish it could stay civil cause it really becomes interesting then to read everything which we all enjoy, especially a good level headed debate where both sides dig their heels in.

I enjoy reading pretty much everyone on here (HC, you know you are one of my fav's). I will most likely just put Anthony on "ignore" like I did with Futureite, I have no interest in reading what he posts as it is, IN MY OPINION, not worth filtering through to get to the rest of the posts.

Lol, I can't believe the play in SB49 got re-hashed.....OY, don't you realize I am still working on deleting that from my memory bank!

[Hawk Sista]

As I said in another thread, I was unable to really pay attention to football this weekend. It was a bummer to come in here to read the game-time reactions only to have to sift through A LOT of garbage. #notworthIT

[Anthony]

Yup its all my fault I mean LOL pathetic

[RiverDog]

It is important that people realize that you need antagonists people and even rivals on a successful message board - their presence will lead to more posts and also more conflict - -- which will also lead to more posts and more traffic as everyone tunes in to see how the person will respond.

Absolutely true. Futureite got more responses per post than any other poster. Like him or loathe him, he attracted comments. He also gave us something we could all agree on, a common enemy, so to speak. I wish he was still here as I liked debating him.

This guy Rambo is too stupid to be a successful troll. He has a an IQ that doesn't even break into the single digits. He's a joke, and half the time I don't bother responding to him.

CP Returns from the old PI forum was the only troll I tried to get banned. Unlike Rambo, he was articulate and had a decent football IQ. He was very deft at delivering back handed compliments and could stay a step ahead of the mods. He's the only troll that got on my nerves.

[Hawktawk]

I agree with savvy about the positive dynamic certain trolls can have on a forum.
But I also agree with the need for civility. There is a lot of football intellect in this forum and we should try to disagree respectfully as much as possible. It isn't always possible.

I'll only take so much verbal abuse over an opinion about a football team or play.

I was extremely pleasant and welcoming to Anthony and still got reamed for analyzing a football play.
That's how you wind up on forum island all by yourself dude.

[Hawktawk]

As I said in another thread, I was unable to really pay attention to football this weekend. It was a bummer to come in here to read the game-time reactions only to have to sift through A LOT of garbage. #notworthIT

That sucks sister. Sorry for my contributions

[Anthony]

I agree with savvy about the positive dynamic certain trolls can have on a forum.
But I also agree with the need for civility. There is a lot of football intellect in this forum and we should try to disagree respectfully as much as possible. It isn't always possible.

I'll only take so much verbal abuse over an opinion about a football team or play.

I was extremely pleasant and welcoming to Anthony and still got reamed for analyzing a football play.
That's how you wind up on forum island all by yourself dude.

You did not get reamed you got disagreed with just like you disagreed with me. but whatever makes you feel better, like I said its all my fault none of you did anything wrong.

[Anthony]

So I decided to have a few people I know look at this thread, get a few unbiased eyes. They told me I did 2 things wrong and in thinking about it, they are right. So Hawktalk, while what I was saying was accurate, I could have said it better, I was agitated having been attacked, not an excuse, and did not use the right tone. Again What I said was accurate and we obviously do not agree, I could have been nicer about it, so I am sorry. As it relates to HC well I did not start the name calling, but I did propagate it, what I should have done is ignored it and him. As it relates to RIverdog again I am not the one who basically said I was lying about why I left, that was him, but again I kept the whole thing going when again I should have ignored it but I did not. When Riverdog misread who I was talking to later, I could have been nicer about letting him know, and I should not of allowed HC to bait me into another useless back and forth. I need to remember that some want a fight and while I hate backing down, taking the high road and ignoring them is best. Hope fully I can do better at that later or just push ignore, or just state my case and leave it at that.

[RiverDog]

You did not get reamed you got disagreed with just like you disagreed with me. but whatever makes you feel better, like I said its all my fault none of you did anything wrong.

Anthony, your memory is as short as your manhood. Here's how you characterized Hawktalk's opinion:

Russ is the ultimate leader and team guy and you try to use that against him LOL pathetic

Calling someone's opinion "pathetic" is analogous with getting reamed.

[Hawktawk]

So I decided to have a few people I know look at this thread, get a few unbiased eyes. They told me I did 2 things wrong and in thinking about it, they are right. So Hawktalk, while what I was saying was accurate, I could have said it better, I was agitated having been attacked, not an excuse, and did not use the right tone. Again What I said was accurate and we obviously do not agree, I could have been nicer about it, so I am sorry. As it relates to HC well I did not start the name calling, but I did propagate it, what I should have done is ignored it and him. As it relates to RIverdog again I am not the one who basically said I was lying about why I left, that was him, but again I kept the whole thing going when again I should have ignored it but I did not. When Riverdog misread who I was talking to later, I could have been nicer about letting him know, and I should not of allowed HC to bait me into another useless back and forth. I need to remember that some want a fight and while I hate backing down, taking the high road and ignoring them is best. Hope fully I can do better at that later or just push ignore, or just state my case and leave it at that.

Apology accepted Anthony. Hopefully there will be nothing to criticize the next 5 weeks. We know what Wilson is capable of on both ends of the spectrum.

[HumanCockroach]

by Anthony » Sat Dec 24, 2016 11:47 pm
LOL I have purposely not posted here for a while. Mainly due to this sites version of Jacknut otherwise known has Humancockroach, very apt name I might add. Yes Rw missed a few throws, as did Palmer, as did Rogers today and when we played them as did Brady and every other elite QB in the league, None of them make them all, however for some reason you seem to think he should. The reality is the facts clearly shows he played a very good game today, and of course your stand by is always I don't care what the stats show, which is another way of saying yeah I am wrong but I refuse to man up and admit it, so I am just going to pull a Jacknut. We did not loose the game because of Rw, and that is a fact and it obviously burns you because you want so much to blame it all on him. In fact if you opened your eyes you would have seen he was the only offensive reason we were in the game. Since I know nothing I am saying will matter to you, because well to be honest you just want to blame Rw no matter what, I am wasting my time. For what its worth I shared your rants on a few other boards, they think you not even a real fan, but a troll. Some think you bat sh!t crazy to think Wilson did not play well today. I don't I just think you have succumbed to jacknut disease. let review though

First paragraph bro. You accused me of doing things I haven't, called me "not a real fan" and compare me to some random guy you claim knows nothing, insisted I couldn't "man up" ( despite it being me apologising for taking your bait, not the claimed other way around. And have numerous times done so in this board, as opposed to insulting people repeatedly, professing my greatness, and then simply leaving instead of "Manning up").... Yeah, I started the name calling.... You then followed that up with other choice insults after I laughed it off..

Seriously man... WTF?

[Anthony]

Apology accepted Anthony. Hopefully there will be nothing to criticize the next 5 weeks. We know what Wilson is capable of on both ends of the spectrum.

Thanks, Hawktalk, and yes hopefully

[EmeraldBullet]

I was surprised by how well RW did stats wise when I saw them. It didn't look that good when I watched the game. Most of those stats came in the 4th quarter, the first half especially was not pretty. The 4th quarter though really showed what RW can do when focused in and putting the game on his shoulders. He can make us competitive even when our offensive line has been terrible, and he is missing some key receivers.

My main complaints I had about RW in this game, is at times he seemed to take sacks by hesitating and then trying to step forward in the pocket rather than throwing the ball away. This imo created some sacks that didn't need to occur. He seemed to me to have his best success when he got the ball out really quickly. These last 2 observations of mine are mostly referring to the 2nd half, not the first half.

We also seemed to do so much better in the hurry up, I think maybe if we had more of an up tempo offense the entire game it might help us. I hope rawls is good to go next week, or at least healthy and strong for the playoffs. We need him to be, I don't think we can count on coleman.

Lastly, I don't think we need to give up on the read option, but I think we needed to run it to the right side rather than the left. I don't really have any reason for why it would work better that way, i'd have to review some tape and see if it really would be there or not, but I just get a feeling it would've worked running it to the right.

[Anthony]

I was surprised by how well RW did stats wise when I saw them. It didn't look that good when I watched the game. Most of those stats came in the 4th quarter, the first half especially was not pretty. The 4th quarter though really showed what RW can do when focused in and putting the game on his shoulders. He can make us competitive even when our offensive line has been terrible, and he is missing some key receivers.

My main complaints I had about RW in this game, is at times he seemed to take sacks by hesitating and then trying to step forward in the pocket rather than throwing the ball away. This imo created some sacks that didn't need to occur. He seemed to me to have his best success when he got the ball out really quickly. These last 2 observations of mine are mostly referring to the 2nd half, not the first half.

We also seemed to do so much better in the hurry up, I think maybe if we had more of an up tempo offense the entire game it might help us. I hope rawls is good to go next week, or at least healthy and strong for the playoffs. We need him to be, I don't think we can count on coleman.

Lastly, I don't think we need to give up on the read option, but I think we needed to run it to the right side rather than the left. I don't really have any reason for why it would work better that way, i'd have to review some tape and see if it really would be there or not, but I just get a feeling it would've worked running it to the right.

Good observations, especially the up tempo, that is something a lot of people have been wondering why we are not running it most if not all the time.

[ACES 13]

You have a ghostwriter Antne?

[NorthHawk]

We talked about up tempo earlier in the year, and I think it should be the first bullet in the chamber when things go awry.
The game plan might be OK, but getting into a rhythm can help a lot, too. That sense of urgency we see in the 2nd half is often missing early in the game and it results in 3 and outs regularly resulting in having to try to make a come back.
We aren't built to be a catch up Offense - never have been in Pete's tenure, so it's real important to get a lead or tie at halftime.

[Anthony]

We talked about up tempo earlier in the year, and I think it should be the first bullet in the chamber when things go awry.
The game plan might be OK, but getting into a rhythm can help a lot, too. That sense of urgency we see in the 2nd half is often missing early in the game and it results in 3 and outs regularly resulting in having to try to make a come back.
We aren't built to be a catch up Offense - never have been in Pete's tenure, so it's real important to get a lead or tie at halftime.

How much of that missing urgency is knowing they will not deviate from the 15 plays they script even though they never work? I Mean I am not sure how intense I could be knowing I have to run 15 plays that will not work, and even then they will not make any changes till half time. I agree we are not built to be a catch up offense but PC said they use the first half to probe and see what will work and then make corrections in the 2nd half, Well that's fine but that puts a lot on you defense. AS I said in another thread I don't get why they need to probe to see what works that is what film and game planning it for. Also why so long to make changes. As I said we know what works the quick passing game so use it all the time period.

[NorthHawk]

Defenses are changing plans between games, too, so the scripted plays are designed to see how they react to the Offenses formations, personnel, and plays.
From there, they get an idea of the philosophy of the Defense for that game.
But they should be able to get a few first downs or maybe even a score on these plays because five "3 and outs" doesn't help if the other team does score on their possessions.

[Anthony]

Defenses are changing plans between games, too, so the scripted plays are designed to see how they react to the Offenses formations, personnel, and plays.
From there, they get an idea of the philosophy of the Defense for that game.
But they should be able to get a few first downs or maybe even a score on these plays because five "3 and outs" doesn't help if the other team does score on their possessions.

Agreed the defenses scheme but then why is it our 15 plays never work? Why is it they wait till the 2nd half to make changes? I do not think they game plan well at all and that is a huge problem. Think about that 15 plays that is 5 series if we never get a first down. That is the whole first half. Maybe instead of running all 15 and waiting till half time to make changes they should start doing it on the fly or cut down from 15 to 10 or less. Maybe our OC should get his butt in the booth where he can actually y see everything, maybe then he could make changes faster. All I know is the scripted plays don't work, running to set up the pass is not working, the normal passing game is not working, the only thing that doe sis the quick passing game and yet we wait till the 2nd half to run it. Seems really dumb to go with everything that is not working until its almost too late. You want to probe then do it quicker and be willing to adapt on the fly not just hit your head against a wall for no reason. That is what real OCs do.

[NorthHawk]

Agreed that the adjustments could be done prior to the 2nd half - at least the simple ones like up tempo and shorter passes but like in chess, each play is designed to see how the opposition responds.
With an inconsistent OL, it might limit what they can do as far as variety of plays, but I think more run plays should be near the top of the early play list.

[Anthony]

Agreed that the adjustments could be done prior to the 2nd half - at least the simple ones like up tempo and shorter passes but like in chess, each play is designed to see how the opposition responds.
With an inconsistent OL, it might limit what they can do as far as variety of plays, but I think more run plays should be near the top of the early play list.

well if more run plays is near the top more 3 and outs will be too as we have proven we can't run the ball straight away. The only time we run the ball well is when the pass sets it up at least the last couple of years.

[Hawktawk]

Well it beats 3rd and 25 and a fumble . 5 sacks in the first half and 3 points. At least runs eat clock and have a far lower probability of losing major yardage or resulting in turnovers.