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by **burrrton** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:00 pm

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2683 ... ks-presser

I don't want to overreact, but while I can probably buy the "We're just a different kind of team" excuse for why he felt justified in publicly and aggressively letting the coaching staff have it over a disagreement about a play-call, this makes it sound like he's perturbed on a much deeper level.

These just two non-related bizarre incidents, or are we witnessing the beginning of the end for "WE ALL WE GOT WE ALL WE NEED"?

by **HumanCockroach** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:05 pm

I honestly don't know. I've defended a hell of a lot of Sherm's antics,and I'm certainly not a huge Moore fan, but this is taking this way to far... Sherm needs to readjust his priorities, ignore reporters if they are asking questions he doesn't want to answer or he finds offensive say "thanks for askin'" and move on.

by **Hawktawk** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:12 pm

I can't decide. Sherm is sherm. I have to say when they lined up in the I and then did that weird throw I was as angry as sherm. I guess on the balance I'd rather have guys that care enough to raise Cain because they hate losing that much. Carroll will be fine. It wil be fine.

At least it wasn't a near brawl like the Denver locker room last Sunday.Okung was told to stfu to his face by defenders .

by **c_hawkbob** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:20 pm

It does seem a bit over the line but Sherm was trying to get the questions turned toward the upcoming game and past the sideline issue, saying it had all been resolved.

I guess if it keeps him motivated on game day I'm not inclined to make a big deal of it, as long as it was all talk and he doesn't really try to get the guy's press credentials pulled, that would be BS.

by **burrrton** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:28 pm

Aaaaand he became Reasonable/Smart Sherm again:

"I appreciate the role the media plays and they have a tough job. I let it get personal today and I regret that. Next one should be fun"

by **Rambo2014** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:44 pm

LOL 100 times over!!

End of the line for the old Seattle Seabags

Screaming at each other and Earl calling it AARP time

Worse than the Chiefs

See ya in 2036

by **Hawktawk** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:52 pm

My gut says this dynamic tension is good. Very good. The turbos are spooling up folks.

by **Rambo2014** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:30 pm

Richard need to be benched now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

never see that on the Rams

by **mykc14** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:31 pm

burrrton wrote:Aaaaand he became Reasonable/Smart Sherm again:

"I appreciate the role the media plays and they have a tough job. I let it get personal today and I regret that. Next one should be fun"

That's better. He really needed to do this, IMO, as what he said to Jim Moore was completely out of line. Hopefully he offers jim a personal apology in some way.

by **RiverDog** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:42 pm

by **RiverDog** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:48 pm

mykc14 wrote:"I appreciate the role the media plays and they have a tough job. I let it get personal today and I regret that. Next one should be fun"

That's better. He really needed to do this, IMO, as what he said to Jim Moore was completely out of line. Hopefully he offers jim a personal apology in some way.

Maybe, maybe not. If that is the true Richard Sherman speaking from his heart, then I can forgive him. He's human, and I've been both the giver and the receiver of similar threats.

But if that's just some PR handler putting words into his mouth, then no, I don't forgive him.

BTW, Jim Moore has been around a long time. Sherman is over playing his hand if he thinks he can get Moore's press pass revoked.

by **Hawktawk** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:50 pm

Rambo2014 wrote:Richard need to be benched now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

never see that on the Rams

Lol maybe that's why the Rams could suck start a Harley. Nobody gives a damn. But I digress.
As I recall gurley called your offense "high school" and he's still drawing a paycheck. Then Seattle stuffed them back to the leather helmet high school era.

You ain't real sharp are ya boy?

by **I-5** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:17 pm

I'm sure Sherman doesn't have a PR handler feeding him words...if he did, that guy should be fired stat!

Clearly, Sherm is an emotional spirit and gets a bit out of whack sometimes with questions that he feels are lacking. You gotta love the passion, though. No one knows how to corral and use that better than Pete.

by **Hawk Sista** » Tue Dec 20, 2016 11:36 pm

Sherman's actions feel different to me this year. Remember the game where Earl had to grab his hair to get him to come back to the team? Remember him whining after most plays? Remember him yelling at coaches and twisting the knife by adding to that at the presser and not apologizing today. And now he's gone off yelling at Jim Moore. While I agree Pete is the man to best harness this - Sherm's actions are Sherman centric. Maybe it's letting some TDs get by him, maybe it's SB or bust and he feels they should be better, maybe he REALLY wants the points allowed by the D record so he can claim he was a part of the best D in history???? He's been repeatedly snarky and critical of any questions from people who have not played ball. Maybe he should realize he hasn't coached, or been charged by 32 bosses to increase revenue, etc....

I dunno. He seems more agitated with a very short fuse and it feels different...As I said in the earlier thread where almost ALL of you disagreed, it's a concern. I hope it turns out. I hope he gets it turned around. I am one of his fans.

by **I-5** » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:05 am

I don't know if it feels different or not this year. It's hard to top his Crabtree outburst or when he went off on Skip Bayless during a live interview, and those were 3 years ago. To me, it still feels like the same Richard, for better or worse. I have to think there will be some kind of repercussion from Pete, though, if he goes after the coaches again.

by **obiken** » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:04 am

I-5 wrote:I don't know if it feels different or not this year. It's hard to top his Crabtree outburst or when he went off on Skip Bayless during a live interview, and those were 3 years ago. To me, it still feels like the same Richard, for better or worse. I have to think there will be some kind of repercussion from Pete, though, if he goes after the coaches again.

Yeah, he needs to stop that. I appreciate the way he was poed when the Packers crushed us, but it a game we won, why. Its like the fake punt, why?

by **RiverDog** » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:51 am

Hawk Sista wrote:Sherman's actions feel different to me this year. Remember the game where Earl had to grab his hair to get him to come back to the team? Remember him whining after most plays? Remember him yelling at coaches and twisting the knife by adding to that at the presser and not apologizing today. And now he's gone off yelling at Jim Moore. While I agree Pete is the man to best harness this - Sherm's actions are Sherman centric. Maybe it's letting some TDs get by him, maybe it's SB or bust and he feels they should be better, maybe he REALLY wants the points allowed by the D record so he can claim he was a part of the best D in history???? He's been repeatedly snarky and critical of any questions from people who have not played ball. Maybe he should realize he hasn't coached, or been charged by 32 bosses to increase revenue, etc....

I dunno. He seems more agitated with a very short fuse and it feels different...As I said in the earlier thread where almost ALL of you disagreed, it's a concern. I hope it turns out. I hope he gets it turned around. I am one of his fans.

You could be onto something, Sis. Never doubt a woman's intuition. Perhaps we all are seeing the same thing but using wishful thinking to rationalize what's blatantly obvious to a more objective individual. I had the same thoughts when virtually everyone disagreed with me about Percy Harvin.

by **c_hawkbob** » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:55 am

He's a daddy now, he's got stresses he didn't used to have. Things are changing for him. Life does that.

All good as far as I'm concerned, as long as he doesn't lose his competitive edge.

by **mykc14** » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:52 am

I-5 wrote:I don't know if it feels different or not this year. It's hard to top his Crabtree outburst or when he went off on Skip Bayless during a live interview, and those were 3 years ago. To me, it still feels like the same Richard, for better or worse. I have to think there will be some kind of repercussion from Pete, though, if he goes after the coaches again.

I think sis is right, it is different this year. All of those things before were focused on targets outside of the organization. This year there have been way too many instances within. Bob could be right it could be the new stressors in his life or the pressure to win but it sure seems weird.

by **Hawktawk** » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:09 am

To tie the stress thing together did anyone catch earls comments ? He said he is still contemplating retirement due to the fact that he has peace when he's not all football all the time. He talks about his wife and family and how he can't be what he needs to for them due to the 24-7 stress.,it's a great interview if anyone has a link. I think Sherman is feeing the same thing. Seattle Seahawks dont just show up. They expect to win and the fans expect it too. Sherm probably feels the aches and pain and hears the wolf at the door. He doesn't want the team throwing away another season.

I have decided. I have no problem with him getting on Bevell. He's speaking for lots of us!

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:31 am

Here's another point of view for the grassy knoll crowd.
Sherman was upset about passing at the goal line.
Does that mean he's lost faith in Russell to make the necessary plays and is that a common theme within the team?

by **c_hawkbob** » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:13 pm

I think if his problem was with Russ he'd a been yelling at Russ. Sherm don't seem to mind who it is he speaks his mind to.

by **Hawk Sista** » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:51 pm

I'm sure he does yell at Russ. But they get that out of their systems out of the public eye.

I have decided. I have no problem with him getting on Bevell. He's speaking for lots of us!

Again, I have no problem with voicing frustration. It was a time and place issue for me. I can also understand heat of the moment stuff (like yelling about Crabtree in the NCCCG or even Bev on the sideline in the heat of it). But twice he had an opportunity to say "I could have handled my frustrations more professionally and put the team first," but he opted to twist the dagger. It is an unneeded distraction during a critical time, and , IMHO, selfish to do it the way he did it - three times over now (at the game, post game presser, and Tuesdays presser he said he had nothing to apologize for.) He is a part of a team and not bigger than it.

There is a window in which an athlete can be premier. While Sherm has some years left, soon he will slow down. It is hard for us all to accept the aging process and I fight it all of the time. I cannot imagine if I made my living in professional sports, and Sherm is sooooo filled with pride. I think, in addition to getting older and life changing (2 kids now), Sherm knows that the LOB will not last and it feels like he is desperate to wring out every win and defensive record he can out of the existing talent....I think his sights are set on a gold jacket too, and losing and or againg don't help. I think some of his anxiety comes with Kam's increasing injuries and Earl threatening to retire (& even if he doesn't - it is a hell of a break to overcome) in addition to the natural aging of him and his peers.

More recently, it seems that he feels Bevel and the sputtering offense are getting in HIS way, as are the refs who have blown several calls. (in fairness - there were some missed OPIs, a phantom facemask, and the criticism that befell him and the team for the "roughing the kicker" play.) He was correct in a lot of those instances and maybe even with Bevel. Not to beat a dead horse - it just "feels" different. In all honesty...I'm more like Richard than I am like Pete. I aspire to be more Pete like, but I can be sharp-tongued and quick to say something is not fair or people don't understand how hard I have it. I get it. just hoping for the best.

by **Zorn76** » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:47 pm

Well, clearly he's agitated, lol.
But these things blow over, and I think that process has already started. Sherman's subsequent tweet afterwords shows some ownership there, in terms of what was said.

I also suspect that the urgency he feels is related to ET's absence. That's a big one to overcome in all areas. The D feels enough pressure when the offense sputters to begin with. These next two games should allow us to establish some momentum, even if the competition is weak. We also will not take either of our remaining games lightly, unless circumstances allow us to rest starters in week 17.

We're gonna be OK.

by **Hawk Sista** » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:40 pm

I guess my time and place comment applies to his earlier actions. The way he treated Jim Moore was horrible. I will ruin you sounds like someone who thinks they are powerful...which goes along with my fears of what he said in the post game presser.

by **Zorn76** » Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:21 am

Temper is a tricky thing sometimes:)

What we don't need is him being nailed for a PF because of an outburst. And on the field, he's managed to more or less avoid it. I mean, he certainly isn't dirty, and for as much as he talks to officials, he must have that down to a science as well:) The media eats it up because they don't get much noise from anybody else on the team, and they had him pegged as the villain since he was a rook.

by **Hawk Sista** » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:54 am

I don't think the local media has Sherm painted as a villain. I think nationally, people's perception of him is that he's a selfish egomaniac. While he is cock sure, I would have never described him as selfish until now. After the Andrews interview, he apologized for taking the attention away from his well deserving teammates and he regretted that. This year, he keeps doing things, big and small, to shine the light more brightly on himself....or that is how it feels to me. Even Jim Moore said he likes Richard and thinks he is a good person. Having not met him, I rely on what I see and hear.

The actions and words I have heard from him most recently suggest a player who sees that he has the power to ruin a career of a common man, who has the right to call out his boss on national TV and defend his actions twice afterwards. That the Moore incident happened AFTER the other has me concerned that there is a problem. Pete, Bevel and Sherm are all saying that is not the case and I hope they are right.

GO HAWKS

by **RiverDog** » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:55 am

Hawk Sista wrote:I guess my time and place comment applies to his earlier actions. The way he treated Jim Moore was horrible. I will ruin you sounds like someone who thinks they are powerful...which goes along with my fears of what he said in the post game presser.

It was an empty threat, too, because even an All Pro player like Richard Sherman doesn't have the power to ruin the career of a veteran beat writer like Moore.

Sherman does have the tendency to over react. His infamous rant about Crabtree at the end of the NFCCG is a perfect example, as was his confrontation with Trent Williams a year before that. There's something about him that does not allow him to turn the other cheek and walk away. Perhaps that's one of the things that makes him such a competitor, but it also has the ability to really get him into some serious trouble some day.

The other thing that has failed to have been mentioned is Pete Carroll's management style. He isn't a strict disciplinarian, which provides opportunities for loose cannons like Sherman to go off occasionally. I'm not necessarily saying that Carroll should run a tighter ship, just pointing out that this is one of the downsides of a "player's coach".

by **Hawk Sista** » Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:59 am

As I said above, if anyone can use this tension to improve the team, it is surely Pete. The tensions feel uncomfy from afar - who knows, maybe it is the spark that is needed to go deep into the playoffs. I surely don't.

by **NorthHawk** » Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:05 pm

For an outsider's viewpoint, here is what Kevin Gilbride thinks of it.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... d-sherman/

It's at the beginning and only lasts a few minutes before they go on to other things.
I wonder if his opinion is widespread throughout the league.

by **savvyman** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:21 pm

When I see Sherman lose any of this passion then I will worry - Sherman is bringing the type of passion each day that it takes to win a Super Bowl. "Normal" NFL players won't behave this way because they do not have his passion and therefore they do not win Super-bowls.

by **HumanCockroach** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:43 pm

NorthHawk wrote:For an outsider's viewpoint, here is what Kevin Gilbride thinks of it.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... d-sherman/

It's at the beginning and only lasts a few minutes before they go on to other things.
I wonder if his opinion is widespread throughout the league.

Not entirely sure an offensive coordinator that got in a Fist fight with a DC on the sidelines qualifies as an "outsider", certainly not an "unbiased one".

by **RiverDog** » Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:46 pm

HumanCockroach wrote:Not entirely sure an offensive coordinator that got in a Fist fight with a DC on the sidelines qualifies as an "outsider", certainly not an "unbiased one".

As I recall, what you are referring to wasn't a fist fight. More like a sucker punch. Gilbride never did anything to provoke him and never had a chance to fight back.

by **HumanCockroach** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:49 am

Which IMHO makes it even more difficult to accept his opinion as an unbiased, outsider observation.

by **NorthHawk** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:40 am

He's an insider to our team?
Really?
I didn't know he was on the payroll.

by **HumanCockroach** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 1:04 pm

Are you serious? Really? Or you just pining for a debate?

Whatever, if you can't see his opinion is shaded, I'm not entirely sure you want to look at anything objectively.

Merry Christmas anyway.

by **NorthHawk** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:34 pm

He's an outsider to the Seahawks organization looking in.
You can't say he's not.
Sure, he's had some issues in his career, most coaches have, but the question still remains is whether this is a common held viewpoint across the league.

by **Hawktawk** » Sun Dec 25, 2016 11:17 am

Nobody is in much of a position to point fingers after this one. Although the look on Sherman's face as the offense staggered around in the first half was priceless.
I still have no problem with what he said. Seattle needs a fresh offensive approach.
For the second half collapse the first half inability of the offense to run clock and score points defined the outcome and PC said as much.

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