Official Seahawks vs Rams game thread

[NorthHawk]

The types of players Pete and Jon try to get are ultra competitive and their nature isn't to go to the ground after 5 yards when there is open space in front of them.
It's the trait they look for in a player, so to expect them to coach something that goes against what they encourage isn't probable.

[RiverDog]

The types of players Pete and Jon try to get are ultra competitive and their nature isn't to go to the ground after 5 yards when there is open space in front of them.
It's the trait they look for in a player, so to expect them to coach something that goes against what they encourage isn't probable.

I think you're grasping for straws, North. The players aren't going to be insubordinate. They saw what happened to a star player that we had invested heavily in that was insubordinate. If Ryan was told to get down after 5 yards, he would have done so.

[Hawk Sista]

RD........ I agree - I am not swayed by your arguments. Not because I didn't read them ALL (multiple times), but because I simply disagree. Pete and Co. make hay in this league because they take some chances when they feel like they can. I doubt that the media brings up the fake if Ryan doesn't get popped and Pete is not going to take a play (that was wide open) off of their play sheet out of fear of what might happen. And you must know that it is EASY to second guess a play once it is over.

[NorthHawk]

I think you're grasping for straws, North. The players aren't going to be insubordinate. They saw what happened to a star player that we had invested heavily in that was insubordinate. If Ryan was told to get down after 5 yards, he would have done so.

What I meant was they aren't going to ask a player to not try to get everything they can from each play.
They don't want to dull that competitive edge that makes the team as successful as it is.

[RiverDog]

What I meant was they aren't going to ask a player to not try to get everything they can from each play.
They don't want to dull that competitive edge that makes the team as successful as it is.

What I thought you were suggesting was that Jon Ryan, being the typical Pete Carroll coached Seahawk, would disregard coaches instructions to get down after gaining a first down on the fake punt and instead try to get everything he could out of that play.

[c_hawkbob]

The only "phuck up" about that entire play was Ryan's hilariously awkward attempt to switch hands. He needs to take some sliding lessons from Russ (both when and how). Other than that everything about the play was spectacularly successful.

Obviously it's too bad he got hurt but a properly timed and executed slide would have prevented that and what we would all be talking about is the fact we finally showed the killer instinct everyone keeps asking for ... you know "when you've got your boot on their throat you have to finish them!"

[HumanCockroach]

Good for a chuckle...

https://youtu.be/zSYUEsCELZA

[mykc14]

I think the chances that it was Ryan that forgot what his coaches told him or was being insubordinate are about the same as the Rams coming back from 3 TD deficit with 5 minutes left.

I don't think he would have to 'forget' or be insubordinate to not do exactly what he was supposed to. There are a lot that we don't know like what he was told to do by the coaches. Maybe he was simply told, run until you have to slide, which he was going to do then fumbled. Or maybe he was just caught up in the moment, saw a ton of green and just went for it, perhaps thinking he would just slide before he was close to making contact with a defender. The fact that we don't know is why I have trouble with the claim that it was definitely the coaches who phucked up...

[RiverDog]

I don't think he would have to 'forget' or be insubordinate to not do exactly what he was supposed to. There are a lot that we don't know like what he was told to do by the coaches. Maybe he was simply told, run until you have to slide, which he was going to do then fumbled. Or maybe he was just caught up in the moment, saw a ton of green and just went for it, perhaps thinking he would just slide before he was close to making contact with a defender. The fact that we don't know is why I have trouble with the claim that it was definitely the coaches who phucked up...

Fair enough.

But if I read you right, you agree with me in that the smart move would have been for him to get down immediately after assuring that he had the first down. Is that a fair summation of your opinion?

[HumanCockroach]

Doubtful coaches felt the need to explain how to finish the play. This isn't pee wee football, Ryan has been playing the sport for two decades, and he hasn't always been a punter. Truth is, coaches don't, and shouldn't need to tell a player how to finish a play, they don't tell Wilson when he should and shouldn't slide, or Rawls when to step out of bounds, or lay the lumber, they don't go over when to return a fumble or interception and when to lay on it..... Truth is, it isn't needed, Ryan had issues transferring the ball, something I've seen Wilson, Rawls, and numerous HOF players do.

Maybe the novelty of running the ball caused it, but realistically anyone blaming the coaching staff for a bobble of the football, has far to much time on their hands...

[mykc14]

Is that a fair summation of your opinion?

Not exactly, but close. I probably would have told him to make sure he had the first down and then get what you can while making sure you don't take a hit, get down before contact is even close.

[RiverDog]

Not exactly, but close. I probably would have told him to make sure he had the first down and then get what you can while making sure you don't take a hit, get down before contact is even close.

So in that situation, what is the difference between 1st and 10 on your own 40 and 1st and 10 on the Ram's 45? Isn't the object, as HC stated, to keep the ball away from them? What do you get for the extra 15 or so yards that we didn't get with just a first down?

Keep in mind that Ryan started fumbling BEFORE he took a hit, and there's always the possibility that he could get overtaken from behind by a faster defender and get stripped tackled. It's not some obscure, far out scenario. We've all seen a runner, unaware of close pursuit, unexpectedly get tackled and fumbles.

[mykc14]

So in that situation, what is the difference between 1st and 10 on your own 40 and 1st and 10 on the Ram's 45? Isn't the object, as HC stated, to keep the ball away from them?

Keep in mind that Ryan started fumbling BEFORE he took a hit, and there's always the possibility that he could get overtaken from behind by a faster defender and get stripped tackled. It's not some obscure, far out scenario. We've all seen a runner, unaware of close pursuit, unexpectedly get tackled and fumbles.

The object is to keep the ball away from the D but if they are going to give you 15 yards why not take it? He begins to bobble the ball as he's trying to do something with it, maybe trying to switch hands or maybe to try and secure it as he slides. If it was to prepare for his slide it wouldn't have mattered how far down field he was. As far as him getting caught from behind that always is a possibility, especially when your punter is running the ball. With ryan it is a less of a possibility because he ran a 4.4 in college and played receiver so he has more athletic ability than most punters.

In the end I agree with the basic premise that the longer he has the ball in his hands the higher the chance that something bad can happen. I think getting that extra 15 easy yards is typically worth the risk if, as a coach, you trust him to get down way before contact.

[RiverDog]

The object is to keep the ball away from the D but if they are going to give you 15 yards why not take it?

Because with an inexperienced ball carrier in an unfamiliar position, he is subject to a much higher chance of fumbling or injuring himself, both of which happened on that play, than would a back or receiver type, and the longer he stays upright, the higher those chances become.

Ryan doesn't have eyes in the back of his head. How does he know he's safe from being tackled from behind?

Now time for you to answer my question: At that juncture of the game, what is the difference between 1st and 10 on our own 40 and 1st and 10 on the Ram's 45? And please don't say 15 yards.

[mykc14]

Because with an inexperienced ball carrier in an unfamiliar position, he is subject to a much higher chance of fumbling or injuring himself, both of which happened on that play, than would a back or receiver type, and the longer he stays upright, the higher those chances become.

Ryan doesn't have eyes in the back of his head. How does he know he's safe from being tackled from behind?

Now time for you to answer my question: At that juncture of the game, what is the difference between 1st and 10 on our own 40 and 1st and 10 on the Ram's 45? And please don't say 15 yards.

I don't think ryan has to have eyes in the back of his head to feel pretty safe about not getting caught from behind when he runs 4.45 forty and everybody was in front of him when he started running the ball. He also played receiver in college so he is not completely inept at carrying the ball.

Like I said at the end of my last post, I agree with the premise that the longer he has the ball the higher the chance that something bad could happen. IMO those 15 yards are worth the risk because they allow you way more options as the game unfolds. Let's say you face a 4th and 2 or 3 in the next few plays you have all options on the table if you are on the opponents 37 yard line as opposed to your own 48. If something bad does happen in the next few plays (fumble or int) they are getting the ball in their own territory as opposed to your territory. 15 yards are always important; the thing that we disagree about is whether it is worth the risk having ryan get those 15 yards in that situation. I say yes because they give you more options as the game unfolds you say no because ryan carrying the ball is a higher risk than a more experienced ball carrier.

[HumanCockroach]

Ryan was born and raised in Regina, Saskatchewan. On Halloween when he was 8 years old he dressed up as a punter. He attended Sheldon-Williams Collegiate for high school, where he played as running back, placekicker and punter on the school's football team. He then attended the University of Regina, where he played both punter and wide receiver for the Regina Rams football team from 2000-2003.[1] During his sophomore season with the Rams, he caught a 109-yard touchdown pass, and led the team in receiving, in addition to his kicking duties.[1] After his fourth year with the Rams, Ryan picked up several team awards, including Best Special Teams Player, Top Scorer and Most Valuable Player.[2] He was also named a first team Canada West All-Star, and a CIS All-Star.[2] Ryan also ran track for the University of Regina.[1]

This isn't some soccer player that picked up a ball for the first time before entering the NFL. The "inexperienced" thing is being WAY overstated.

[NorthHawk]

He has a background playing a regular position in College, but how much has he carried the ball in the last 10-12 years?
A player can lose a lot of technique in more than a decade if not constantly reinforced.
That said, I think it was just a freak play where the ball started coming loose.

[HumanCockroach]

You don't "forget" how to carry a football anymore than you forget how to throw one. It isn't like they just pulled the play out of their arses, I promise he ran the play in practice. Carrying, throwing or kicking a ball doesn't take some sort of intensive training regimen to knock the rust off..... Though I would be interested to find out if the football ( being a specific kicking ball) could have created some issues. My guess would be, no, but I would also assume they are inflated to the max, which could create some control issues, especially in cold weather.

[NorthHawk]

You don't "forget" how to carry a football anymore than you forget how to throw one. It isn't like they just pulled the play out of their arses, I promise he ran the play in practice. Carrying, throwing or kicking a ball doesn't take some sort of intensive training regimen to knock the rust off..... Though I would be interested to find out if the football ( being a specific kicking ball) could have created some issues. My guess would be, no, but I would also assume they are inflated to the max, which could create some control issues, especially in cold weather.

Well, actually you kinda do "forget". You lose your muscle memory when you don't do something on a regular basis and a decade is a lot of time not regularly running with the ball - unless of course they practice chasing him around the field trying to slap the ball out of his arms frequently. It's why you have to practice to get things right.

The kicking ball is an interesting concept. It may be that it's a little slicker than a regular ball.

[HumanCockroach]

OK, whatever floats your boat. You MIGHT have a valid argument ( at least theoretically, though you would never convince me personally. It isn't rocket science or diffusing a nuclear warhead. Five points isn't all that difficult of a concept, and one I promise comes naturally to anyone that carried a football repeatedly for a decade thousands of times), but your argument falls pretty flat considering no one was slapping at the ball, Ryan simply bobbled the ball on a transfer, something Wilson, Lynch, Rawls, Rice, Warner, Baldwin, and on and on and on X infinity. I could list literally thousands of football players that have done so, either in a game or practice. It happens. It isn't unique to Ryan by any stretch of the imagination.

[burrrton]

Jon Ryan a full participant in practice today- does that mean he cleared concussion protocol, or can players in the CP still participate?

[RiverDog]

I don't think ryan has to have eyes in the back of his head to feel pretty safe about not getting caught from behind when he runs 4.45 forty and everybody was in front of him when he started running the ball. He also played receiver in college so he is not completely inept at carrying the ball.

Like I said at the end of my last post, I agree with the premise that the longer he has the ball the higher the chance that something bad could happen. IMO those 15 yards are worth the risk because they allow you way more options as the game unfolds. Let's say you face a 4th and 2 or 3 in the next few plays you have all options on the table if you are on the opponents 37 yard line as opposed to your own 48. If something bad does happen in the next few plays (fumble or int) they are getting the ball in their own territory as opposed to your territory. 15 yards are always important; the thing that we disagree about is whether it is worth the risk having ryan get those 15 yards in that situation. I say yes because they give you more options as the game unfolds you say no because ryan carrying the ball is a higher risk than a more experienced ball carrier.

So you're saying that Jon Ryan is faster than anyone on the Ram's defense? I'm not sure I buy that. He's a pretty big man, 6'2", 220 lbs, and he's 35 years old. I seriously doubt that he runs anywhere close to a 4.45 40, which is faster than Russell Wilson's time at the combine.

Ryan was in the middle of the field, the "parting of the Red Sea", so it wouldn't have taken him very long to get to the point where a significant number of defenders would be unobserved, outside his peripheral vision, which is pretty narrow if you've ever worn a football helmet. If he was running up the sidelines, then it might be different as it would limit the number of directions a hit could come from and he could easily step out of bounds if one approached.

The 15 yards at that point in the game was close to being irrelevant. As HC pointed out, the thing that was important was the first down. IMO the risk of fumbling or sustaining an injury was greater than the benefit of that extra 15 yards.

North is exactly right about Ryan's unfamiliarity with carrying a football being a consideration. He hasn't played college football for nearly 15 years. That unfamiliarity showed up big time when he tried to switch hands with the ball while he was running.

[RiverDog]

Jon Ryan a full participant in practice today- does that mean he cleared concussion protocol, or can players in the CP still participate?

But Ryan was listed as a full participant in Thursday’s practice and Carroll said it was expected that Ryan would be cleared later in the day. "Jon’s not officially cleared yet, today is his day to get that done,” Carroll said. “He looks like he’s in good shape, we’ll find out when it officially gets done after his meetings today.”

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seah ... inst-rams/

Looks like Bennett is good to go, too.

[HumanCockroach]

North is exactly right about Ryan's unfamiliarity with carrying a football being a consideration. He hasn't played college football for nearly 15 years. That unfamiliarity showed up big time when he tried to switch hands with the ball while he was running.

A former lineman statement if ever there was one....

[Hawktawk]

HC that's some fascinating information about Ryan.
I had no idea he was such a well rounded football player.
That being said maybe it's a faulty perception but ball security seems to be an issue at times even fielding snaps .
Also ill advised risks with his body. The muffed snap and then trying to launch over 2 defenders in Minnesota is fresh on my mind.
Sort of like the Andrew luck of punters. Extremely talented but not smart enough to get under the carpet.

[mykc14]

So you're saying that Jon Ryan is faster than anyone on the Ram's defense? I'm not sure I buy that. He's a pretty big man, 6'2", 220 lbs, and he's 35 years old. I seriously doubt that he runs anywhere close to a 4.45 40, which is faster than Russell Wilson's time at the combine.

Ryan was in the middle of the field, the "parting of the Red Sea", so it wouldn't have taken him very long to get to the point where a significant number of defenders would be unobserved, outside his peripheral vision, which is pretty narrow if you've ever worn a football helmet. If he was running up the sidelines, then it might be different as it would limit the number of directions a hit could come from and he could easily step out of bounds if one approached.

The 15 yards at that point in the game was close to being irrelevant. As HC pointed out, the thing that was important was the first down. IMO the risk of fumbling or sustaining an injury was greater than the benefit of that extra 15 yards.

North is exactly right about Ryan's unfamiliarity with carrying a football being a consideration. He hasn't played college football for nearly 15 years. That unfamiliarity showed up big time when he tried to switch hands with the ball while he was running.

Of course he is not faster than everybody on the Rams punt return unit, my only point in mentioning his 40 time and the various positions he played in college was to show that he was better at carrying the ball than most punters and that getting caught from behind was not as big of a concern with him running the ball than a lot of other punters because A) he is pretty fast and B) he has carried the ball both as a running back and receiver many many times in his life, even if it had been a long time since he last carried the ball in a meaningful game.

We are going to have to just disagree about the 15 yards I guess. I want control in a game and there are only a few ways that you can have control and the two biggest are having the possession of the ball and field position. Getting the first down on that play is important because it gives you control of the ball/clock adding the 15 yards gives gives you control in play selection and the coaching decisions you might have to make later in that drive.

[RiverDog]

Of course he is not faster than everybody on the Rams punt return unit, my only point in mentioning his 40 time and the various positions he played in college was to show that he was better at carrying the ball than most punters and that getting caught from behind was not as big of a concern with him running the ball than a lot of other punters because A) he is pretty fast and B) he has carried the ball both as a running back and receiver many many times in his life, even if it had been a long time since he last carried the ball in a meaningful game.

We are going to have to just disagree about the 15 yards I guess. I want control in a game and there are only a few ways that you can have control and the two biggest are having the possession of the ball and field position. Getting the first down on that play is important because it gives you control of the ball/clock adding the 15 yards gives gives you control in play selection and the coaching decisions you might have to make later in that drive.

If you'll re-read your post, it looks like you are claiming that Ryan can run a 4.45 40 today. You probably should have said "used to run" or something. I was pretty sure you weren't claiming that he was faster than the Rams defense, but you were using information from long ago to support your argument when the reality is that at his age and weight he probably couldn't out run a linebacker, so I had to shoot it down and figured I'd employ a HC tactic, ie make your opponent's argument look as extreme as possible.

What I am telling you is that you can't take what someone did some 15 years ago, apply it to a conversation in today's world, then expect me to swallow it. Ryan's 40 time in college is about as irrelevant as the 15 additional yards he picked up on the fake punt. You might as well have said that he was the league MVP in Pop Warner. The position he used to play in college is only slightly more relevant, proving only that he's perhaps a better athlete than some of his counterparts and not speaking to anything he's done since. The fact is that all he's done since he left college is punt and hold place kicks. If you could come up with something like he's our emergency QB, then a fact like that might help your case, but not his college resume.

We're probably kicking dead horse as it doesn't appear that I'm changing anyone's opinion (I seldom do anyway) and you're not changing mine as well. Thankfully the play didn't cost us during the game and it looks like Ryan is playing tomorrow, so we're down to arguing a moot point.

[HumanCockroach]

You were arguing one to BEGIN with.

[RiverDog]

You were arguing one to BEGIN with.

Wrong. If Ryan had not been cleared to play as it appears that he is, it would have been a HUGE issue and definitely not a moot point.

[Hawktawk]

I gotta agree with you RD. He didn't clear protocol till the day before

As I've said if the media is asking it was a controversial decision.
Intelligent people disagree about it.
PC Admitted the end of the play was terrible .
It looks like we dodged a bullet
Bring on the tards

[mykc14]

If you'll re-read your post, it looks like you are claiming that Ryan can run a 4.45 40 today. You probably should have said "used to run" or something. I was pretty sure you weren't claiming that he was faster than the Rams defense, but you were using information from long ago to support your argument when the reality is that at his age and weight he probably couldn't out run a linebacker, so I had to shoot it down and figured I'd employ a HC tactic, ie make your opponent's argument look as extreme as possible.

What I am telling you is that you can't take what someone did some 15 years ago, apply it to a conversation in today's world, then expect me to swallow it. Ryan's 40 time in college is about as irrelevant as the 15 additional yards he picked up on the fake punt. You might as well have said that he was the league MVP in Pop Warner. The position he used to play in college is only slightly more relevant, proving only that he's perhaps a better athlete than some of his counterparts and not speaking to anything he's done since. The fact is that all he's done since he left college is punt and hold place kicks. If you could come up with something like he's our emergency QB, then a fact like that might help your case, but not his college resume.

We're probably kicking dead horse as it doesn't appear that I'm changing anyone's opinion (I seldom do anyway) and you're not changing mine as well. Thankfully the play didn't cost us during the game and it looks like Ryan is playing tomorrow, so we're down to arguing a moot point.

If you look way back to the first time I noted his 40 time I did mention that it was back in college. For the most part I agree with the rest of your post except to say that most punters are viewed as not being very athletic so stating how athletic ryan is, even if was back in college, supports the point that he is more athletic and adept at carrying the ball than most punters. That's without even mentioning his ginga ninja abilities. That's why I feel like his athletic ability is important to note while we are discussing him running the ball and if you feel like his athletic ability is on the same level as those 15 yards I guess that's why I find those important as well.

[RiverDog]

If you look way back to the first time I noted his 40 time I did mention that it was back in college. For the most part I agree with the rest of your post except to say that most punters are viewed as not being very athletic so stating how athletic ryan is, even if was back in college, supports the point that he is more athletic and adept at carrying the ball than most punters. That's without even mentioning his ginga ninja abilities. That's why I feel like his athletic ability is important to note while we are discussing him running the ball and if you feel like his athletic ability is on the same level as those 15 yards I guess that's why I find those important as well.

I don't often go back and re-read every comment another poster made prior to responding to their current musing, nor is my memory good enough to recall a detail like whether or not a 40 time was being referred to as current or from 15 years earlier. But I don't think you're that stupid, either, to the contrary, you're one of the sharpest guys on the forum. Like I said, I was basically pulling an HC on you and dramatizing your remarks.

I don't doubt that Ryan's athletic ability compared to other punters is above average, although there's not much evidence that it is. But his overall athletic ability isn't that big of an aid to securely carrying a football if it isn't something he's done regularly for the past 1+ decades. Plus his ball carrying ability is just one reason why he shouldn't have been allowed to run down the center of the field like that. The other is his risk of injury and the possible repercussions it could have had for the team. He's not used to contact, not used to employing a hook slide, not used to being aware of tacklers he can't see. Fortunately, we appear to have dodged a bullet on the results of that play. Our chances of securing that 2 seed would have been less without him in the lineup.

[HumanCockroach]

Wrong. If Ryan had not been cleared to play as it appears that he is, it would have been a HUGE issue and definitely not a moot point.

1) Seattle won the game
2) Seattle clinched a playoff spot and the division and a home playoff game.
3) even IF Ryan couldn't go this week, a fill in punter would have been fine for a single game. Regardless of your admiration for Ryan, Punters are the EASIEST position to fill short term.
4) the argument wasn't about some issue with "how do they move forward" it was about "how dumb the choice was to run the play"
5) the play was over, the game was won, the call was fine, the fumble was a bobble( just like any other "more experienced" player has done) and the argument was over the choice to call the play, the coaching and then morphed into something about *experience* on Ryan's part.
6) regardless of your lineman thought process on it, OR North's belief players "forget" how to carry a football, it isn't true, accurate or remotely close to a valid argument. I PROMISE Dickerson, Largent, Warner, Rice etc, STILL know how to do so, as does anyone who's spent years DOING it, regardless of whether it's been 10, 15 or 40 years. Just isn't something you forget how to do. I'll put it this way, if you had to line up in a three point stance, could you? OF COURSE you could. Good lord.

7) Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays. However you feel about it, I genuinely wish you and yours a great holiday season.

[mykc14]

I don't often go back and re-read every comment another poster made prior to responding to their current musing, nor is my memory good enough to recall a detail like whether or not a 40 time was being referred to as current or from 15 years earlier. But I don't think you're that stupid, either, to the contrary, you're one of the sharpest guys on the forum. Like I said, I was basically pulling an HC on you and dramatizing your remarks.

I don't doubt that Ryan's athletic ability compared to other punters is above average, although there's not much evidence that it is. But his overall athletic ability isn't that big of an aid to securely carrying a football if it isn't something he's done regularly for the past 1+ decades. Plus his ball carrying ability is just one reason why he shouldn't have been allowed to run down the center of the field like that. The other is his risk of injury and the possible repercussions it could have had for the team. He's not used to contact, not used to employing a hook slide, not used to being aware of tacklers he can't see. Fortunately, we appear to have dodged a bullet on the results of that play. Our chances of securing that 2 seed would have been less without him in the lineup.

Thanks, and right back at you. I don't always agree with you but know your views are coming from a well thought out and educated position. I do agree that not having Ryan back this week could have been a big deal both in the punting game (obviously) and the field goal/PAT game. Thankfully it looks like he's going to be back. One thing I don't think we will see this week is him running the ball down the middle of the field on a fake punt!!!

Happy Holidays!

[RiverDog]

Thanks, and right back at you. I don't always agree with you but know your views are coming from a well thought out and educated position. I do agree that not having Ryan back this week could have been a big deal both in the punting game (obviously) and the field goal/PAT game. Thankfully it looks like he's going to be back. One thing I don't think we will see this week is him running the ball down the middle of the field on a fake punt!!!

Happy Holidays!

Thanks, mykc. The only thing I'd like you to change about your posts is their frequency. You don't post often enough.

BTW, speaking of educated, didn't you tell us once that you're a school teacher/coach?

[burrrton]

One thing I don't think we will see this week is him running the ball down the middle of the field on a fake punt!

Hey, if it's a close game and we need a 1st-down, I don't mind them calling it again if they have a reasonable expectation it will work. If there's 30 seconds left and we're up by 45 points, though, I'd rather they kept that arrow in the quiver.

[HumanCockroach]

HC that's some fascinating information about Ryan.
I had no idea he was such a well rounded football player.
That being said maybe it's a faulty perception but ball security seems to be an issue at times even fielding snaps .
Also ill advised risks with his body. The muffed snap and then trying to launch over 2 defenders in Minnesota is fresh on my mind.
Sort of like the Andrew luck of punters. Extremely talented but not smart enough to get under the carpet.

True, all of it, and again I'm not saying it's a call I personally would have made. Just that I absolutely understand the premise behind it, the reasoning, and I simply can't get on board with the " he forgot how to do the things he did for 15 yrs. Daily" or the "coaches are idiots" thought process.

I'm not going to pretend like I don't partly in jest and partly seriously everytime Jon lines up for a punt inside the twenty say, " don't drop the ball", because I certainly do.

I'm not pretending to know how good his ball security was when he was a receiver or a back. Certainly seen him flub perfect snaps, that said, it isn't like he's a guy who played soccer his whole life, and picked up a football last week or something.

[mykc14]

Thanks, mykc. The only thing I'd like you to change about your posts is their frequency. You don't post often enough.

BTW, speaking of educated, didn't you tell us once that you're a school teacher/coach?

Yep I teach 6th grade and am an assistant coach for our HS team. We actually had a good season, finished 3rd in state and lost to the state championships in the semis by 3. It was a great game with a bad result(for us). Anyways, I'm pretty busy with the teaching and coaching, but the real thing that limits my opportunity to post as much as I would like is my kids ages 6,4, and 3. There are a ton of fun but take a ton of time, besides you guys usually have posted what I was going to say by the time I would get to posting it anyway. We've got a lot of good posters on here and you all are usually on top of it!

[burrrton]

We actually had a good season, finished 3rd in state and lost to the state championships in the semis by 3.

Eastside Catholic?

[RiverDog]

Yep I teach 6th grade and am an assistant coach for our HS team. We actually had a good season, finished 3rd in state and lost to the state championships in the semis by 3. It was a great game with a bad result(for us). Anyways, I'm pretty busy with the teaching and coaching, but the real thing that limits my opportunity to post as much as I would like is my kids ages 6,4, and 3. There are a ton of fun but take a ton of time, besides you guys usually have posted what I was going to say by the time I would get to posting it anyway. We've got a lot of good posters on here and you all are usually on top of it!

Well, I wouldn't say that we have "a lot" of posters here, at least not compared to some of the other forums out there, but as an educator, I am sure that you will agree that those of us that do engage here are very intelligent and articulate in addition to being dedicated Seahawk fans.

Congratulations on your football season and on being a good dad!