Official Seahawks vs Rams GAME Thread

[Hawk Sista]

Any time you don't allow a TD, you should win in the NLF. We are allowing only 9.5 points/game with an anemic O. That's very good indeed.

I would say, however, that the D had a few opportunities to flop field possession and couldn't stop Case Keenum. We had them backed up around the goal line twice and the Rams moved to midfield or better. Starting out at an average of the 17 yard line made the day that much harder. Not hanging this loss on the D, just making a point.

[Hawkstar]

Any time you don't allow a TD, you should win in the NLF. We are allowing only 9.5 points/game with an anemic O. That's very good indeed.

I would say, however, that the D had a few opportunities to flop field possession and couldn't stop Case Keenum. We had them backed up around the goal line twice and the Rams moved to midfield or better. Starting out at an average of the 17 yard line made the day that much harder. Not hanging this loss on the D, just making a point.

Totally agree Sis - the D is playing lights out and losing without giving up a TD is ridiculous. To your point about the D missing a few opportunities - that was really one defender giving up a few big plays - Shead was pretty much abused by the Rams.

Alos, what's up with ET. Anyone else feel he's not playing anywhere near his usual level of excellence? He was horrid in the Miami game.

[Hawktawk]

The defense is # 1 in the league. No argument there.

And I didn't say the offense was good per see at all.

The line sucked. Bevel called a poor game. Rawls played like crap even though he got the worst of our line vs their freshest front 7. Still 1 ypc is ridiculous.

The penalties were ridiculous. If lock and Wilson don't get robbed of a game changing play and seattle robbed of a Td pass on a call 25 yards away we aren't having this discussion at all in spite of all the problems. My beef is strictly with people bashing Wilson.

Almost no other qb would be in the game. None would be full practice.

He led the team to a win on a high ankle sprain and damn near another Sunday on one leg after getting hammered all friggin day.

The overall offense was crap but it isnt russ's fault at least not yet.

[NorthHawk]

I'm wondering if they should go to an up temp Offense. Not a hurry-up Offense, but a faster tempo.
Holmy used to harp about that and it seemed to get a sense of urgency with everyone where they played a little quicker.
We got better at times last year when we got plays off quicker, so maybe that might be something easy to change.

[Hawktawk]

I'm wondering if they should go to an up temp Offense. Not a hurry-up Offense, but a faster tempo.
Holmy used to harp about that and it seemed to get a sense of urgency with everyone where they played a little quicker.
We got better at times last year when we got plays off quicker, so maybe that might be something easy to change.

I agree with that. The Hawks first possession was clearly a plan to run right at one of the best front Line defenses in the league. I can't believe they were showing the read option and actually had Wilson keep once with horrible results. I used to get upset with holmgren for being stubborn when his personell didn't match his game plan, especially 2008. I feel like bevell isn't being imaginative enough with this lineup.


It's time to open it up, throw to run.

[HumanCockroach]

The defense is # 1 in the league. No argument there.

And I didn't say the offense was good per see at all.

The line sucked. Bevel called a poor game. Rawls played like crap even though he got the worst of our line vs their freshest front 7. Still 1 ypc is ridiculous.

The penalties were ridiculous. If lock and Wilson don't get robbed of a game changing play and seattle robbed of a Td pass on a call 25 yards away we aren't having this discussion at all in spite of all the problems. My beef is strictly with people bashing Wilson.

Almost no other qb would be in the game. None would be full practice.

He led the team to a win on a high ankle sprain and damn near another Sunday on one leg after getting hammered all friggin day.

The overall offense was crap but it isnt russ's fault at least not yet.

That would be -1 yards per rush ( 7 rushes , -7 yards) and I don't recall Michael having any issues gaining yardage behind that line ( 6 yards a rush)

[HumanCockroach]

I'm wondering if they should go to an up temp Offense. Not a hurry-up Offense, but a faster tempo.
Holmy used to harp about that and it seemed to get a sense of urgency with everyone where they played a little quicker.
We got better at times last year when we got plays off quicker, so maybe that might be something easy to change.

You mean let Wilson call the plays? I'm in agreement ( it isn't coincidence IMHO that the offense clicks in 4min/ 2min hurry up offense, and sputters for most of three quarters in base offense ~ ie when Bevell is calling the plays, and huddling up).

[Seahawks4Ever]

I am all for going to an "up tempo" offense, maybe not for the entire game but at least until we have opposing defenses on their heels, gassed, and having to play "honest". When opposing pass rushers can pin their ears back and blitz all game long and not having to pay a price is disgusting. Keep 'em guessing I say.

It is more than apparent that no team, not even on the college, level is going to hire Bevell as a HC and take him off of our hands and Pete is NEVER going to fire the bum s were will just have to wait for "divine" intervention to be freed of this IDIOT.

Mike Holmgren, at least, KNEW how to use a T.E. like Jimmy Graham. Pete does not understand pro-level offenses and is dependent on Bevell, too dependent IMHO. Bevell also is clueless about how to use a weapon like J.G. Bevell wouldn't even know how to use Gronk!

[Hawktawk]

I am all for going to an "up tempo" offense, maybe not for the entire game but at least until we have opposing defenses on their heels, gassed, and having to play "honest". When opposing pass rushers can pin their ears back and blitz all game long and not having to pay a price is disgusting. Keep 'em guessing I say.

It is more than apparent that no team, not even on the college, level is going to hire Bevell as a HC and take him off of our hands and Pete is NEVER going to fire the bum s were will just have to wait for "divine" intervention to be freed of this IDIOT.

Mike Holmgren, at least, KNEW how to use a T.E. like Jimmy Graham. Pete does not understand pro-level offenses and is dependent on Bevell, too dependent IMHO. Bevell also is clueless about how to use a weapon like J.G. Bevell wouldn't even know how to use Gronk!

UMMM Ok...Mike Holmgren never developed a tight end in Seattle. Name me his great tight ends in Seattle. Jeremy Stevens? Christian Fauria?Hass never used them a whole lot. Graham even having a "dissapointing " season was poised to shatter the team record for catches by a tight end. Russ used Luke Willson far more than I ever remember any Hawks QB using the tight end in the past. As for Bevell I was calling for his head week 9 last year and we know what happened. Im not ready to pull the plug quite yet.

They had a bad day. Between the injuries before and during the game, the shitty officiating, and the poor plan and execution early on they came up short or we wouldn't even be having the conversation.
Their roster moves tell me they are going to be running a lot more 3 wide spread sets. Its a good way to mask a bad line.

[Hawktawk]

That would be -1 yards per rush ( 7 rushes , -7 yards) and I don't recall Michael having any issues gaining yardage behind that line ( 6 yards a rush)

We completely agree on this. I say start Micheal. From the time Rawls first was injured until now Christine Micheal has been our best back.Hes more explosive all the time. Short of the big boo boo last weekend hes been a model employee since hes been back on the roster.

It wasn't popular in here but I actually called for starting him over BM in Carolina in January.
Micheal is performing at a stellar 5 plus ypc over 2 games against some of the stoutest run defenses in the league after tearing it up all preseason and having several great games last year.
Start him. Make Rawls the change up for now.

My only point about the line is that it is like the Hawks in general. They start slow and generally improve a bit when they get tired of having their asses handed to them. Rawls lost 12 yards his first two carries and Barry Sanders wouldn't have reached the line of scrimmage on those jailbreaks.Micheal ran out of more spread sets in the second half as the mano e mano heavy approach was hopeless vs the Rams front.

Still Rawls does not look quite as quick even when there is a hole. He may not be 100% and with the new injury I am certain Cmike will get a chance to shine Sunday.

[NorthHawk]

It's spelled Michael by the way and I don't think there is much choice with Rawls being dinged up.
The way Michael has been running the ball, there probably isn't much of a difference between the two right now, but aggravating an injury isn't the best thing to do at any time.

[Hawktawk]

Thank you word police you are correct. I was a spelling bee champion in the school days 4 decades ago but that is one name I always get wrong.

There is quite a difference between the two. Michaels is way better right now.
I drool at the mouth longing for the Rawls we saw last year pre injury but he hasn't shown up yet. I don't think its all on the line.

[Hawk Sista]

Michael has a quicker first step and Rawls is a bruiser. Even if they were both healthy, with RW dinged and the O-line what it is, C-Mike is the better start for us right now. The RB needs to take the ball and hit it FAST. The holes close fast and don't get reopened.

[HumanCockroach]

Rawls has looked indecisive to me ( including his time in the Miami game) my only point was many seem hell bent on blaming the line for everything, whether it be instances where Wilson has a clean pocket but scrambles, or plenty of time but refuses to release the ball, or instances where a RB misses a hole, or p#ssyfoots the ball up in there ( or in Collins case dance, dance, dance tackled)....

The line plays A part, but it isn't the ONLY part, which with many it seems is their automatic fall back position.

At this point ( game two) this line is drastically better than last year's version without a starter and one of the absolute worst lineman it's been my misfortune of witnessing start both games.... People clamored to improve the line, it happened ( as evidenced by LESS hits, LESS sacks, MORE time and a BETTER pocket for Wilson) and its STILL not better, but the blame for ALL the problems scoring...

[c_hawkbob]

Not being 100% physically'll do that to ya.

[RiverDog]

I agree with the consensus. Rawls is obviously not in game shape yet and CM, despite his game ending fumble last week, is currently the better back and should be getting the majority of the snaps.

[Hawk Sista]

Yup