Official Preseason SEA vs KC Game Thread

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Re: Official Preseason SEA vs KC Game Thread

Postby savvyman » Sun Aug 14, 2016 2:35 pm

monkey wrote:Oh yeah, I was meaning to ask you guys what you all thought it meant that Collins got so few carries?
Personally I think it's reflective of two things. 1. They've just about run his wheels off in training camp, so they needed to give him a break. 2. They already know he's making the team, he's a lock, whereas Michael still has so much more to prove.
Disagree? I can definitely see reasons to think otherwise, but that's my best guess as to why he only got like three or four carries.
What say you guys?



C. Michael's is outperforming Collins and is a better running back when his head is on straight. Michaels is also a more explosive athlete.
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Re: Official Preseason SEA vs KC Game Thread

Postby RiverDog » Sun Aug 14, 2016 5:12 pm

monkey wrote:I just have to ask, did you really mean to say that it was a bad decision, or do you just mean it was a bad throw?
I ask because, clearly it was a bad throw. It was late and behind Kearse,which was caused by Wilson quickly stepping forward and to his right just before throwing (I really am not quite sure why he did that, whether he was trying to see better, or trying to stay ahead of the pass rusher who was coming at him...I don't quite know, but it cost him his accuracy on that throw).
I definitely disagree that it was a bad decision though.

It was absolutely the right throw to make, Kearse had his guy beaten, easily. Peters was very lucky that pass was off target or that's a touchdown, because there's no way that he makes up for his getting beat if the throw was on target.
Again, not entirely sure just why Wilson held the ball, and moved to his forward/right like he did just before throwing, it screwed up his mechanics and timing. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that from his vantage, he couldn't see Kearse all that well, and was trying to get a better view before throwing.

I doubt that's a throw he makes in the regular season, or if he does, I doubt he throws it that late.
It seemed to me that the play was clearly designed to get Kearse, as the primary target, open, which he did.
After hitting Baldwin twice, and hitting a BEAUTIFUL back shoulder throw and catch to Lockett (he's going to be a star!), it seemed like Wilson was trying to force one to his buddy Kearse who hadn't caught a pass to that point.
I don't think Wilson throws that in the regular season. Though again, Kearse was open, and it was the right throw to make, but Wilson shouldn't have made it after (for whatever reason) moving to his right like he did. He should have thrown it right when Kearse broke free from Peters. If he had, it would have been a PRETTY touchdown.

Oh well, this is why they play pre season games, get those wrinkles ironed out.
For the most part though, Wilson looked good.
That back shoulder throw to Lockett was spot on! Lockett made a terrific athletic move to catch it, and then push the ball forward as he was coming down as well. A great play by those two. Can't wait to see more of that all season long!


It was a bad decision because he waited too late and should have held onto it when he realized that the DB was recovering. I did not think that the throw was off target, just that he should have thrown it when Kearse broke. But it doesn't really matter whether it was a bad decision or bad throw, it was a pick that was all on Russell and that even Anthony would have a hard time making an excuse for.

You're right about Lockett. What I liked about that catch is that he knew where the first down sticks were and reached out to get it. Too many times receivers loose sight of the game situation and come up short.
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Re: Official Preseason SEA vs KC Game Thread

Postby jshawaii22 » Sun Aug 14, 2016 7:38 pm

A lot of good updates. What about Brandon Browner? I didn't hear his name mentioned (no penalties!) Was the reason Morgan didn't get a lot of snaps at SLB was we were playing 5 or 6 Db's as we move to a more pass-orientated defense as a base?
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Re: Official Preseason SEA vs KC Game Thread

Postby monkey » Sun Aug 14, 2016 7:46 pm

burrrton wrote:Nothing really to add to the observations, but I just heard some of the KC feed you guys are talking about (I had the SEA announcers)- wow.

Like someone else said, you don't expect non-biased announcing when it's the other team's feed, but they seemed to be trying to referee the game from their booth, complaining about non-calls incessantly, and sounding worse than drunk superfans, like they really, *really* wanted their team to get that all-important preseason win.

That couldn't have been fun to sit through for 60 minutes...

It was freaking awful.
It was so bad that I lost interest in the game repeatedly, then had to go back and rewatch with the sound off, just so I could care again.
Last year, I watched every preseason game I could watch, I heard every home crew, some were bad, some were very bad, none of them were even CLOSE to this bad. Not even close.
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Re: Official Preseason SEA vs KC Game Thread

Postby monkey » Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:17 pm

RiverDog wrote:
It was a bad decision because he waited too late and should have held onto it when he realized that the DB was recovering. I did not think that the throw was off target, just that he should have thrown it when Kearse broke. But it doesn't really matter whether it was a bad decision or bad throw, it was a pick that was all on Russell and that even Anthony would have a hard time making an excuse for.

You're right about Lockett. What I liked about that catch is that he knew where the first down sticks were and reached out to get it. Too many times receivers loose sight of the game situation and come up short.

I see what you mean, it's semantics but it is important to get to the real meaning of what you were saying.
I agree that the decision to throw that ball late was "bad", in that sense then. I disagree with you saying the throw wasn't off target, it was behind Kearse, when it should have been in front of him. That's sort of textbook definition of off target, but...you say toMAYto I say toMAHto, and I do understand what you're saying.
Either way, you're certainly right that it was on Wilson, and indefensibly so. He simply shouldn't have thrown that pass once he'd held the ball so long.
The thing is though, if he'd thrown it right away when he was supposed to, it would have been the absolute right decision. Kearse was the open receiver, and so it was the right read, he just didn't trust it.
I was right BTW, Wilson said in his presser that he moved to see better. I had that feeling that he held the ball and moved forward and to his right to get a better view of what he knew was an open Kearse. He should have just trusted his read, it was right on, but he wanted to make sure, and it cost him the pick.

I'm actually glad that it happened. it hurts nothing, and yet It's a good reminder to him that he really needs to trust his reads, and get the ball out quickly, the way he was doing mid season last year. He'll see his mistake, (he knew what his mistake was right away actually) but he'll see it on film and make the correction.
I think this is really going to be a special year for this team, especially for Russell Wilson. I fully expect him to be in the MVP race this year, and end up winning it.

As for that Lockett catch, I personally thought it was just another bit of evidence of just how good he's ultimately going to be.
I truly don't think it's a stretch at all to say that the best comparison to his ceiling is Antonio Brown. I'm not at all exaggerating when I say that. Every time I see Lockett, I am amazed at the kinds of routes he runs, amazed at his body control and his controlled speed (which is totally different than just straight speed). There is not one reason to believe that Lockett can't blossom into our own version of Antonio Brown.
Less volume obviously. But you get the point.
I haven't been this excited about any young WR we've had in Seattle. Not even Joey Galloway got me this excited, and at the time Galloway was playing for us, we were essentially trying to build our offense around his skill set. Even Galloway didn't impress me this much though.
In a way it's too bad we will never see what Lockett could do in a high volume passing scheme, because I think he'd just blow up.
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Re: Official Preseason SEA vs KC Game Thread

Postby monkey » Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:28 pm

jshawaii22 wrote:A lot of good updates. What about Brandon Browner? I didn't hear his name mentioned (no penalties!) Was the reason Morgan didn't get a lot of snaps at SLB was we were playing 5 or 6 Db's as we move to a more pass-orientated defense as a base?

I watched closely whenever Browner was in there, partly because his number just jumped out to my mind as a number that I had missed seeing the last two years, and there he was again.
I think it's fair to say that Browner did just fine, but never really got tested. I can't remember a singe pass that went his way, (though I could be wrong about that, and I need to rewatch the game still).
As for Morgan, it's probably because the coaching staff already knows what they are getting with Morgan that he had so few snaps.
He's been in Pete's system since college, he KNOWS what he is doing out there.
Also, I would bet that they are trying to give each of the guys vying for the spot, an extended look in game, and today it was Pinkins who played most of the snaps at SLB. Maybe against the Vikings it will mostly be Morgan or Marsh.
Just my guess of course.
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Re: Official Preseason SEA vs KC Game Thread

Postby NorthHawk » Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:05 am

The OL looked pretty good for their first real game.
I wonder if not offering a lot to re-sign Sweezy was in part a result of his back issues as he has had an operation and is on PuP and it might mean he won't play until after the 6th week of the season.
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Re: Official Preseason SEA vs KC Game Thread

Postby Mo the Toe » Mon Aug 15, 2016 11:39 am

I was moving my son to college and listened to Raible and Moon on the radio. I was glad to hear that Paul Richardson was getting behind the DB's. If he stays healthy this year he could be a solid playmaker this year. I gotta say I got that " Its great to hear your voice again" feeling from Steve Raible like I used to get from Pete Gross in the 80's. I would turn the sound off on the tv and listen the radio if it wasn't for the tape delay.
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Re: Official Preseason SEA vs KC Game Thread

Postby burrrton » Mon Aug 15, 2016 12:09 pm

Mo the Toe wrote:I was moving my son to college and listened to Raible and Moon on the radio. I was glad to hear that Paul Richardson was getting behind the DB's. If he stays healthy this year he could be a solid playmaker this year. I gotta say I got that " Its great to hear your voice again" feeling from Steve Raible like I used to get from Pete Gross in the 80's. I would turn the sound off on the tv and listen the radio if it wasn't for the tape delay.


A trick I found is to listen to the internet feed of Raible- it's delayed enough that you can sync it with a DVR.

Kind of a headache (and you can't pause the DVR without losing sync, etc), but gets you there if you *really* want to listen to Raible's call. :)
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Re: Official Preseason SEA vs KC Game Thread

Postby Mo the Toe » Mon Aug 15, 2016 1:28 pm

Thanks. I will definitely try that.
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Re: Official Preseason SEA vs KC Game Thread

Postby Hawk Sista » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:51 am

RE: Browner... I think he may be in for a fight to keep his job. He was in the 1st preseason game in the 4th quarter?? It was such a brutal game to watch and make sense of....I s'pose we will just have to wait and see.
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Re: Official Preseason SEA vs KC Game Thread

Postby RiverDog » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:41 pm

monkey wrote:I see what you mean, it's semantics but it is important to get to the real meaning of what you were saying.
I agree that the decision to throw that ball late was "bad", in that sense then. I disagree with you saying the throw wasn't off target, it was behind Kearse, when it should have been in front of him. That's sort of textbook definition of off target, but...you say toMAYto I say toMAHto, and I do understand what you're saying.
Either way, you're certainly right that it was on Wilson, and indefensibly so. He simply shouldn't have thrown that pass once he'd held the ball so long.
The thing is though, if he'd thrown it right away when he was supposed to, it would have been the absolute right decision. Kearse was the open receiver, and so it was the right read, he just didn't trust it.
I was right BTW, Wilson said in his presser that he moved to see better. I had that feeling that he held the ball and moved forward and to his right to get a better view of what he knew was an open Kearse. He should have just trusted his read, it was right on, but he wanted to make sure, and it cost him the pick.

I'm actually glad that it happened. it hurts nothing, and yet It's a good reminder to him that he really needs to trust his reads, and get the ball out quickly, the way he was doing mid season last year. He'll see his mistake, (he knew what his mistake was right away actually) but he'll see it on film and make the correction.
I think this is really going to be a special year for this team, especially for Russell Wilson. I fully expect him to be in the MVP race this year, and end up winning it.

As for that Lockett catch, I personally thought it was just another bit of evidence of just how good he's ultimately going to be.
I truly don't think it's a stretch at all to say that the best comparison to his ceiling is Antonio Brown. I'm not at all exaggerating when I say that. Every time I see Lockett, I am amazed at the kinds of routes he runs, amazed at his body control and his controlled speed (which is totally different than just straight speed). There is not one reason to believe that Lockett can't blossom into our own version of Antonio Brown.
Less volume obviously. But you get the point.
I haven't been this excited about any young WR we've had in Seattle. Not even Joey Galloway got me this excited, and at the time Galloway was playing for us, we were essentially trying to build our offense around his skill set. Even Galloway didn't impress me this much though.
In a way it's too bad we will never see what Lockett could do in a high volume passing scheme, because I think he'd just blow up.


I agree with you about being glad it happened. You always learn more from your mistakes than you do from your successes, and that one was a really cheap lesson. The only thing I wish wouldn't have happened is that I wanted to see Pete put Russell back in for one more series. I hate to see a player end his day on a really bad note. But then again, Russell is a professional and knows the purpose of these preseason games, especially the first one.

The one thing that I do think that was huge is that after that 2 point conversion to end the game, the team rushed the field as if they'd just won the frigging Super Bowl. That's something that doesn't appear in the box score. It was a really hot day and those guys played their tails off, so it was nice to see things end ons such a high. It's something that could carry over at least into this week's practices.
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