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by **jshawaii22** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:44 am

... and the entire NFL missed out on Russell Wilson... that's what makes these 3 days so much fun. And none of us will really know much of anything until about 6 months up to 3 years from now.

One thing I don't see mentioned is CJ was the Captain of the Special Teams and led ND in ST Tackles so he will fit right in with us from day 1. As a former WR he should be great coming out of the backfield, too.

by **obiken** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:52 am

But since we got both, it doesn't matter which order htey came in.
We've now addressed two of our biggest needs, (replacing Mebane, and o-Line) and we've done it with a freak athlete in Ifredi who has an incredibly high cieling, and a guy who almost EVERYONE projected to go before the 20th pick in the first round, and we got him in the second. A HUGE steal by any measure.
So far, this draft is terrific. I couldn't be happier.

Cool, I wonder if Human is happy, Gosh knows I just live to make you and him happy!!

by **RiverDog** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:10 am

monkey wrote:We've now addressed two of our biggest needs, (replacing Mebane, and o-Line) and we've done it with a freak athlete in Ifredi who has an incredibly high cieling, and a guy who almost EVERYONE projected to go before the 20th pick in the first round, and we got him in the second. A HUGE steal by any measure.
So far, this draft is terrific. I couldn't be happier.

The only fly in the ointment is that one of those guys we got in the third (can't remember who) has a pretty bad injury history.

by **NorthHawk** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 4:43 am

I'm wondering if this is the last of the OL help with the possible exception of a DL conversion project.
I think we really need another Guard who can play Center, or a Center who can play Guard but we don't select again until the comp pick in the 5th.
We can't trade either of the comp picks, so if we wanted to move up again it would cost us a pick next year as 2 7th round picks won't get us into the 4th or early 5th.

I'm really taking a liking to the TE selection. With Graham and McCoy's injuries we needed another TE and he has some blocking ability. Maybe in time he will turn out to be the equivalent of Miller. The only questionable pick for me is Odhiambo (sp) where I thought a Guard who might be able to move to Center might be a better choice.

I think the Odhiambo selection might tell us that they are comfortable at Center and with Glowinski at Guard. I'm hoping that both he and Sokoli will have taken a big step up, but Center is as much a cerebral test as it is a physical one. That's a big jump from playing DL to Center. I hope he's up for it.

A couple of Iowa players Austin Blythe and Jordan Walsh might be available if they are interested.
Blythe was the Center but can play Guard and Walsh is a Guard that might project to Center.
Iowa under Kirk Ferentz plays some Zone concepts if not a version of the ZBS so the transition might be easier for them.

Alex Redmond from UCLA might be there late, too.

One player that intrigues me is LaQuan McGowan 6-6, 405lbs. He played G, TE, and FB at Baylor.
Measureables from his Pro Day:

5.48 40 yard dash
3.06 20 yard dash
1.85 10 yard dash
24 inch vertical
8'2" Broad jump
5.38 20 yard shuttle
8.28 3 cone drill

Compared to Rees Odhiambo
10 yard dash 1.84
Vertical: 27 inches
Broad jump: 7 feet, 9 inches
Short shuttle: 4.64 seconds
3-cone: 8.02 seconds

McGowan is about 90lbs heavier.

by **obiken** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 6:10 am

The only fly in the ointment is that one of those guys we got in the third (can't remember who) has a pretty bad injury history.

The Guard from Boise St. River I don't know we have been down this road before.

Rees Odhiambo
Weaknesses Suffered a broken ankle that knocked him out for the season in late October. Has had to cope with injuries during his time at Boise. Never played a full season of football.

by **RiverDog** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 6:27 am

obiken wrote:The Guard from Boise St. River I don't know we have been down this road before.

Rees Odhiambo
Weaknesses Suffered a broken ankle that knocked him out for the season in late October. Has had to cope with injuries during his time at Boise. Never played a full season of football.

Yea, that was him. That was the only pick I didn't like.

by **Agent 86** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:21 am

Here is what today holds so far:

4th round (124) - traded to Chicago to move up for Reed
5th round (162) - traded to Chiefs last year
5th round (171) - compensatory pick
6th round (202) - traded to Lions
6th round (215) - compensatory pick
7th round (225) - acquired from Dallas
7th round (247) -

And obviously by now we are all familiar with how the 'Hawks do in undrafted free agency. I have come to expect at least one of those signings will make the team.

by **savvyman** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:10 am

Well John & Pete have earned the trust of the fans. Still it seems based on some reports that I have only glanced at that these are both "Cable Picks" who he liked because of their exceptional strength. It seems that according to experts that the Hawks passed on more complete and NFL ready picks for the OL. Remember the last time the hawks had two "Cable Picks" in first and third rounds? Carpenter & Moffit.

I like what I read about the other 3 picks and feel that the TE was a great selection for us.

by **obiken** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 9:11 am

savvyman wrote:Well John & Pete have earned the trust of the fans. Still it seems based on some reports that I have only glanced at that these are both "Cable Picks" who he liked because of their exceptional strength. It seems that according to experts that the Hawks passed on more complete and NFL ready picks for the OL. Remember the last time the hawks had two "Cable Picks" in first and third rounds? Carpenter & Moffit.

I like what I read about the other 3 picks and feel that the TE was a great selection for us.

I am sorry I was never impressed with either one of those guys. I don't think Pete has taken a really good OL since his first year. Okung was a no brainier and then Max.

by **monkey** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 9:18 am

I think the thing that has caught many of us off guard is not the position taken (they make PERFECT sense, and are all positions of need, or soon will be) and it's not even the player taken, like with Rees Odhiambo, who everyone knew Cable was in love with, it's the round they are taken in and the players they passed on to get those guys. I had guys like Joe Haeg, Joe Dahl and Conner McGovern in my sights when they took Odhiambo, and that surprised me that Cable liked Odhiambo better than them...still not sure I agree with him TBH, though I totally understand what Cable likes about him. He's SO STRONG! I mean Odhiambo is all kinds of stupid strong. He's got that unusual, country strong ability that is so rare, and cannot be gotten from the weight set, and cannot be coached, you're born with it.
It's just that, I had thought that Odhiambo would be a guy we could get in the fifth or later.
I had also assumed our new TE Nick Vannett, also would go much later. (Prosise was not a surprise actually, tons of mocks had him going to us there.)
Of course, WHERE they were taken is only a problem if they missed guys they wanted more, and apparently, obviously, they didn't. Also, getting Jarran Reed, a guy who wasn't even on my radar at ALL, because I really thought that there was simply no way possible that he would fall that far, in the second round, makes the draft look that much better, but also adds to the overall surprise factor. I didn't see Reed coming, most mocks had him going 16 to Detroit! He might be my favorite pick of the draft so far, and not just because of the value we got, but because, his personality is awesome, and he's totally going to be a fit on this team.
The guy I am most intrigued with, is the other guy who really wasn't on my radar, though he really should have been, Nick Vannett. He's a late bloomer.
What I mean by that is, he's a guy who was actually terrible at first, but as he learned, grew and worked at his craft, he consistently, and rather quickly, got better, and better, and better. His upside potential is that of a legitimate SUPERSTAR (by which I mean top five in the league) all around TE, who runs terrific routes, has terrific hands and is a terrific blocker. A real all around stud, along the lines of say, Jason Witten.
Prosise is a guy who I wasn't high on, (though he's the least surprising pick of day two for me,) I really sort of expected it, I just didn't really want to see it, because I'm not a fan of the way he runs with his pad level so high.
Having said that, the reason for that is, he's not a natural RB, he's a guy who was playing WR (and had played in the secondary as well before that) until switching to RB. So naturally he's got some learning to do yet.
The obvious reason for taking him though, is Pete thinks he can coach him up as a pure running back, while maximizing his strengths, which are numerous.
1. He's smart. High football IQ, because he has played so many other positions, he learns quickly and readily. 2. He's fast, he runs a 4.48 40. 3. He has outstanding hands, and runs WR quality routes. We can move him out wide and give us an instant, HUGE mismatch. There's not many LB's who can cover this guy, but they'll e asked to since he won't be properly accounted for as a RB.
As a third down RB he just really makes SO MUCH SENSE. I was just looking at what he can't do, rather than what he does so well. Plus, I really had my heart set on Tyler Ervin, who I still think will be an absolute stud for someone.
Ah well, the pick makes sense and gives us a legitimate matchup problem, and is probably more capable than Ervin would be, of stepping up and being an every down back if he had to in case of an injury. His size is more every down back ready.

Really and truly, this draft has been terrific, I just thought there are a couple of guys who we could have gotten later...but what do I know right? It always turns out that some team was looking hard at the guy we took, and besides, it's ALWAYS better to get the guy you want, than take a chance and miss him.
That's why the Seahawks turned down the Dallas trade and took Denver's. They were wanting to move down, but not so far that we'd miss Ifedi, who Cable really wanted.

IMO our first two picks were home runs, in fact, I'd say our second pick was a complete grand slam. Overall, I think that we've nailed every position we need so far (and we're not done yet) and we got at least one guy whose upside is so high, he's really got me intrigued even though his pick was originally a surprise to me. Nick Vannett.

by **HumanCockroach** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:12 am

I am sorry I was never impressed with either one of those guys. I don't think Pete has taken a really good OL since his first year. Okung was a no brainier and then Max

Unger wasn't selected by Carroll and Co., Carpenter was a top 15 guard in the league, Moffitt turned into a headcase ( though at the time he was considered a "no brainer")..

by **monkey** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:36 am

Oh no!

Seattle Seahawks
Draft picks: Germain Ifedi (No. 31 overall), Jarran Reed (No. 49 overall), C.J. Prosise (No. 90 overall), Nick Vannett (No. 94 overall), Rees Odhiambo (No. 97 overall)
Day 1 grade: A
Day 2 grade: A
Overall grade: A
The skinny: Trading down to grab an extra third-round pick in this very deep draft deserves a big grade. Then, the Seahawks got an equally big player in Ifedi, who can dominate at guard or tackle with some technique coaching.

The Seahawks traded up to get Reed, a nice fit to fill in for Brandon Mebane in the middle of the defensive line. Prosise could be the next Matt Forte, so getting him at pick No. 90 was great value. I do have a bit of a concern picking Odhiambo in the third round, but only because of durability concerns. If he can stay healthy, he should be a starting left tackle.

Follow Chad Reuter on Twitter @chad_reuter.

Every year the "experts" slam the heck out of our picks, and every year it makes me LAUGH when they get proven wrong yet again.
Either this guy is catching on, or else he just jinxed this draft big time. (I kid, I don't actually believe in such things, I just found it funny that someone actually likes our draft. Most "experts are still slamming it, which I guess, If you're superstitious, is a good thing considering past seasons.)

by **obiken** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:48 am

Sorry Human, I didn't mean to give them too much credit!

I am glad your happy Monk I really am.
My problem is the whole Cable drill. We are not getting OL with any skill set at all after the first PC year. I promised I wouldn't snivel about Ifetti, so I wont. We all agree on Reed, he was a steal. A broken Guard from BSU, please. He cannot stay healthy. The 11th guard on Kiper's big board. 11th! We are getting worse not better. At least we took some OL thats a rare.
The only way out I see is Joe Thomas and for most of you that's a big no. There are higher rated OL left in 5th round than this guy. Projected as a 6 or 7th round. Another project, a year away, we needed immediate help. Get a guard out of LSU rated a 5.5 and its a better risk. Come on LSU, BAMA, MISS, where they pound you to death. Next I am waiting for Tyler Johnstone out of the U of O, then I know I will have mind melded with Tom Cable!
Wait my mind to his mind, my thoughts to his thoughts, oh we were WRONG! Vannett IS NOT a TE he will be converted to an edged pass rusher!

by **HumanCockroach** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:49 am

Interesting Monkey, I haven't read a single negative grade or review ( with the exception of the PFF trashing of Ifedi) all I have seen is positives, typically ( almost exclusively)between a B and A grade on every site ( more often than not an A-, with the Rees selection being the only selection to drag it down. More often than not a "C" pick). Not sure where you are seeing that....

( though to be fair, I'm thinking it's just that they have all gotten tired of looking like morons a year or two later, so are prone to giving an A for every selection)

by **monkey** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:54 am

Alright so, next day. Guys still on the board I am really hoping we can somehow, someway land, (though I doubt it now that we have just four picks left, all in the later parts of rounds 5,6 and 7(2).
Moritz Boehringer (WR)
Tyler Ervin (RB)
Travis Feeney (LB)
Joel Heath (DT) (Possible convert to offensive line)
Devon Cajuste (WR) (I really wanted this kid, but after the Nick Vannett pick, it seems far less likely that the Seahawks would take him, as this kid is pretty much everything that Vannett was picked to be.
Hal Vaitai (OL)
Alex Redmond (OL)
The last two are IMO the best remaining O-linemen who fit what Cable looks for. I'd be happy with either one.

Also, don't forget about the 8th round, the un-drafted free agency period.
I've come to fully expect we will get at least one guy out of that period who will play for us. Which is a testament to just how great a job Pete and John do there.
We're really spoiled with this front office!

by **monkey** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:58 am

HumanCockroach wrote:
( though to be fair, I'm thinking it's just that they have all gotten tired of looking like morons a year or two later, so are prone to giving an A for every selection)

Now that I look around, I see that aside from PFF slamming the Ifedi pick, it isn't the usual bad draft grades as much as I was expecting.
I think you're onto something there HC. I think you might be rigth, the "experts" probably are still just as surprised as they always are, otherwise theyu would have mocked those players higher, but they are just sick of looking like moron after slamming our picks. :lol:

Good call on that.

by **HumanCockroach** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:58 am

obiken wrote:Sorry Human, I didn't mean to give them too much credit!

I am glad your happy Monk I really am.
My problem is the whole Cable drill. We are not getting OL with any skill set at all after the first PC year. I promised I wouldn't snivel about Ifetti, so I wont. We all agree on Reed, he was a steal. A broken Guard from BSU, please. He cannot stay healthy. The 11th guard on Kiper's big board. 11th! We are getting worse not better. At least we took some OL thats a rare.
The only way out I see is Joe Thomas and for most of you that's a big no. There are higher rated OL left in 5th round than this guy. Projected as a 6 or 7th round. Another project, a year away, we needed immediate help. Get a guard out of LSU rated a 5.5 and its a better risk. Come on LSU, BAMA, MISS, where they pound you to death. Next I am waiting for Tyler Johnstone out of the U of O, then I know I will have mind melded with Tom Cable!
Wait my mind to his mind, my thoughts to his thoughts, oh we were WRONG! Vannett IS NOT a TE he will be converted to an edged pass rusher!

So your issues weren't the players but the system all along? Seattle doesn't run a "pound em'" blocking scheme so I'm a little confused why you're lamenting not getting those guys??

Seattle consistently drafts lineman ( there is FOUR currently on the roster from last year NOT including Gilliam) two more this season ( so far) I'm not entirely sure where the idea that Seattle doesn't draft them came from, but it's false.

It's unrealistic to expect ANY offensive lineman to be an instant upgrade, or polished lineman at the second to last pick in the third round ( Much less the end of round one). I'm not entirely sure where you got those ideas, but it isn't realistic or even close to realistic, it isn't even in the galaxy of realistic.

by **HumanCockroach** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 11:05 am

Westerman, Dahl and Haeg might ALL be available at the end of the fifth. I expect them to take one more lineman...

by **monkey** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 11:15 am

obiken wrote:
CJ Prosise
Obi's view. I think there were better out there like Booker from Utah.

Rees Odhiambo
ME--Once again we could have gotten a guy in the later rounds. Oh well!

Let me just say that, I tend to agree with you that Booker is the better pure runner, at least right now. Having said that, Bookers ceiling is much more limited than Prosise's, and Prosise gives us something Booker doesn't. He gives us a unique match up problem, because of his route running and his hands. Prosise has that something extra, that unique ability that Pete looks for that Booker just doesn't have. Furthermore, if Prosise can learn to run with his pad level lower (my biggest problem with him), he's faster, cuts better, and would actually become a better pure runner than Booker too, though he's admittedly not there yet. He certainly is capable though!

Actually, Matt Forte is a terrific comparison to Prosise, if he can develop.

Also, I too had other o-linemen ahead of Rees Odhiambo, (though I REALLY REALLY like Odhiambo, and I knew Cable was in love with him, and would likely take him sometime...I just thought it would be later). I absolutely love McGovern, Haeg and Dahl. Any of those guys would be sweet for us, and now it seems we won't be getting them unless we trade up or something weird happens.
Still, when Cable values Odhiambo more than those other guys, who am I to argue really?
What Cable is seeing in Rees is a guy who has a strength that just cannot be taught or gained from lifting weights. He's got a natural strength along with a superior athleticism that, if it weren't for his injuries, would have likely made him a higher ranking prospect than those other guys to begin with.
If it weren't for those injuries, (and at least the broken ankle is just fluky) he probably would have been the higher ranked lineman all along.
It's easy to get caught up in "value" which is really nothing more than one Kiper or Mayock opinion, but ignore draft "value", it's virtually meaningless. What has REAL lasting meaning, is getting the players that fit for your team and your system. Nothing more. Draft value is an invented concept that keeps guys like Kiper in expensive suits and hairspray.

by **monkey** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 11:17 am

HumanCockroach wrote:Westerman, Dahl and Haeg might ALL be available at the end of the fifth. I expect them to take one more lineman...

You think so?
MAN I HOPE YOU'RE RIGHT!!!
If we got Haeg, I'd crap myself right then and there.
Like literally, crap would be running right down my leg. That would make this draft just a dream come true.

by **monkey** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 11:23 am

Wow, another trade up, to get another DT.

by **c_hawkbob** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 11:24 am

Gave up next year's 4th for him, must have really caught someone's eye ... another inside 1 gap DT Quinton Jefferson!

by **NorthHawk** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 11:26 am

c_hawkbob wrote:Gave up next year's 4th for him, must have really caught someone's eye ... another inside 1 gap DT Quinton Jefferson!

With next years draft not expected to be as deep, this might work out. As well, we should get some comp picks for Okung and Sweezy.

by **obiken** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 11:29 am

Another wounded dude! Broken Jaw, Torn ACL, and an under classman.

A highly regarded high school recruit from Pennsylvania, Jefferson's career got off to a shaky start. His jaw was broken during a fight back home, putting off the beginning of his workouts with teammates. He came back, though, to play in nine games as a reserve (13 tackles) as a true freshman. Finally healthy and familiar with the defensive scheme, he started all 13 games in 2013 (45 tackles, 7.5 for loss, three sacks). Looking to build upon that performance, Jefferson started three games in 2014 (eight tackles, one for loss) but suffered a torn right ACL against West Virginia. He came back with a vengeance for his redshirt junior year, earning honorable mention All-Big Ten honors with 12.5 tackles for loss, 6.5 sacks, interceptions, and a blocked kick. The father of three then decided it was time to move on to the next level instead of returning to Maryland for his fifth campaign with the Terps.

by **monkey** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 11:30 am

Wow. Great pick, great trade.
We still pick in the 5th, 6th, and 7th, and only gave up a 4th next year, to get Quinton Jefferson Maryland DT.

by **obiken** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 11:39 am

HOW was it a great trade UP????!! This guy is a 6th or 7th round project! We could have traded up and gotten Dahl, who actually played in the PAC-12 and was rated a 4th rounder. Lions take him in the 5th! Steal.

by **HumanCockroach** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 11:43 am

As hard as it may be for you to grasp Obi, the mocks, analysts, experts and fans aren't the ones evaluating the talent or turning in the cards. Just because "Mayock rates this guy as a 6th" doesn't mean he's a sixth, ratings are crap, the talent of each player drafted has to translate to the team. Mayock isn't qualified to make that assessment( but at least he's more qualified than the fans who strictly stick to those ratings with zero actual knowledge about the players ranked), coaches and GMs are.

by **Seahawks4Ever** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 11:47 am

He is more than a year removed from his knee injury so I don't think that is or even should be a concern. He will make our D-Line deep again, like it was a few years ago when we could rotate guys in and out with almost no drop off in talent. Mayock had him slotted as a 4th. rounder so he should be a bargain taken in the 5th.

This is a "depth" pick, I like it. Not that I know much, but I do like what I hear about the guy.

by **HumanCockroach** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 11:59 am

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1824817

Will he make it to us??

by **HumanCockroach** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:03 pm

Bummer all three gone..

by **HumanCockroach** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:28 pm

Surprising, another RB...

by **c_hawkbob** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:29 pm

And another RB, Alex Collins out of Arkansas.

by **monkey** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:29 pm

Alex Collins.
I wasn't thinking they'd take him after they'd already taken Prosise, but that was a guy who I DEFINITELY thought we might take before that happened.
Apparently the Seahawks are doubling down on the backup depth behind Rawls, and I personally think this tells you all you need to know about Michaels chances as well. My guess is he's gone.

by **c_hawkbob** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:33 pm

HumanCockroach wrote:Surprising, another RB...

Not really surprising when you consider Rawls' injury is usually a second year back king of deal.

by **monkey** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:41 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:Not really surprising when you consider Rawls' injury is usually a second year back king of deal.

I think Rawl's injury is part of it, but more than that I just think these two are such different types of players, who project to play VERY different roles.
Procise is the perfect third down RB. A real Fred Jackson type in many ways, except that Prosise is so much faster.
Collins looks a lot like Spencer Ware from last year (remember him?) He's a powerful runner who can spell Rawls any time going down the field.
I think those two are now the backups behind Rawls, and C Michael will be cut. (Unless of course, they view Collins as a possible full back switch. I could see it but I doubt it.)
I like our depth at RB now, which was a HUGE need before this draft. One could argue that it was our biggest need, even more than D or O linemen. We had virtually no one other than Michaels who the Seahawks already traded once and only picked up again due to injury.

by **HumanCockroach** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 12:46 pm

True, but Seattle has shown an ability to find and sign productive backs in all sorts of ways without drafting them. Rawls injury wasn't an extreme injury either. No ligament damage with no surgery typically has a 2-3 month recovery time. I've seen RBs in HS break their ankle week one and play the last 2 games of the season ( and playoffs). Rawls will be somewhere in the range of 8 months as opposed to 8 weeks, until I see some sort of falloff, I'm really not in the least concerned. Seattle typically carries three backs, this picks makes four on the roster, maybe one slides to the PS but I doubt it.

by **Seahawks4Ever** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:00 pm

C.M. had plenty of time to make it here. I am glad he came back with a whole new attitude, but I understand that Pete and John are not going to depend on him and who knows when Rawls will return and when and if he returns to the form that had him in the mix for Offensive Rookie of the Year talk.

Actually, the players I can't wait to hear about now is the UDFA's we will sign. We have picked up some real talent there, such as Rawls to name just one.

by **monkey** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:06 pm

LOL! I love it, check out this vid on Alex Collins.

https://twitter.com/theMMQB/status/724960279285608448

Then go to youtube and watch some tape on him, he's tough. Chris Ivory springs to mind immediately when watching him.

by **HumanCockroach** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:07 pm

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-OIn7BLfUOY

Good watch. Guys "slippery" and fast. He dances a little to much for my liking and has a narrow upright base ( needs to also lower his pad level when facing contract).

Edit:

Collins was an ideal fit for Bielema's blueprint on offense with his light feet to make sharp cuts, but also his physical nature to welcome contact, finish forward and do most of his damage between the tackles. Collins is a physical runner, but needs to improve his pad level and ball security to be more reliable at the next level

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by **monkey** » Sat Apr 30, 2016 1:11 pm

Soooo...Travis Feeney and Devon Cajuste are still available. They're my biggest hopes now.

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