2016 NFL Official Hawk Draft Day Thread.

[mykc14]

I like it. Would be great if he could play RT (my guess is that Pete and john sell him as a RT) but my guess is he is our starting LG next year.

[obiken]

I am ok with it but we could have done better. I don't know.

[mykc14]

Germain Ifedi OT Texas A and M.

Like Gruden said another project. Grade B- You had Whitehair out there as the best guard in the draft. Ok it OL BUT.

I have to disagree whitehair was never going to be drafted by the hawks. We at least got a starting LG and an extra #3. I give this first round an A.

[HumanCockroach]

OMG, we actually picked a OLineman at 31... Don't know much about him, but it's probably OK... next a Center, then Guards... evidently, he doesn't really play an NFL style game as he plays most downs standing up. Mr. Cable on Line 1.

Carroll and Schneider typically do If they have a first round pick ( 3 of 5) and typically at least one of their first two.

[NorthHawk]

He probably wouldn't have been there when we pick in the 2nd so he must have been high on their want list.
That he can play multiple positions is something that seems to be a quality they look for, too.
DT in the 2nd?
Rob Stanton's formula seems to be on track with this pick.

[HumanCockroach]

I like it. Would be great if he could play RT (my guess is that Pete and john sell him as a RT) but my guess is he is our starting LG next year.

You think they give up on Britt so soon?

[monkey]

Germain Ifedi OT Texas A and M.

Like Gruden said another project. Grade B- You had Whitehair out there as the best guard in the draft. Ok it OL BUT.

Obiken you gotta stop listening to the talking heads, they're morons.
Ifedi will start day one, probably at LG, and be terrific. Whitehair doesn't fit at all! We were never targeting Whitehair. He was not on our radar, he doesn't fit, not athletic enough for Cable's ZBS.

[jshawaii22]

I just thought we were going to trade back into the 2nd. I would of rolled the dice on Miles Jack.

[NorthHawk]

Maybe some quality competition to start the year.
We'll see how quickly he develops.

[HumanCockroach]

Bullard is still sitting there...

[monkey]

I have to disagree whitehair was never going to be drafted by the hawks. We at least got a starting LG and an extra #3. I give this first round an A.

ROFL!
Could we be more in lockstep? We keep saying exactly the same things.

[NorthHawk]

I just thought we were going to trade back into the 2nd. I would of rolled the dice on Miles Jack.

I would have thought he would be a consideration, too. Maybe they got bad news from the doctors.

[Oly]

Gotta hand it to Sheil Kapadia, who not only picked Ifedi in his mock but had this to say:

My biggest takeaway from the mock-draft exercise was that the Seahawks could be in position to trade down and still get a player they covet. We did not include trades in our projections, but if the Seahawks can find a team that wants to move up (perhaps to land a quarterback?), they could deal out of the first round for the fourth consecutive year.

Other than where we traded back, he nailed it.

[monkey]

I am ok with it but we could have done better. I don't know.

No, we really couldn't have done better. This was the best lineman for our scheme, by far.

[monkey]

Gotta hand it to Sheil Kapadia, who not only picked Ifedi in his mock but had this to say:

Other than where we traded back, he nailed it.

That's because Kapadia was reading Rob Stanton, who nailed it first and has been saying it all along.

[mykc14]

You think they give up on Britt so soon?

I don't know about giving up on Britt, but if ifedi isn't starting at RT he is probably starting at LG. Britt May be the odd man out in that scenario. I wouldn't think they would move him back to RT. Hopefully ifedi has a great camp and shows he can play RT.

[obiken]

Obiken you gotta stop listening to the talking heads, they're morons.
Ifedi will start day one, probably at LG, and be terrific. Whitehair doesn't fit at all! We were never targeting Whitehair. He was not on our radar, he doesn't fit, not athletic enough for Cable's ZBS.

I am not angry about it I am happy we got an OL but I am not jumping up and down either.

[mykc14]

ROFL!
Could we be more in lockstep? We keep saying exactly the same things.

Yeah, no doubt we are looking at this draft from the same perspective.

[jshawaii22]

Please explain to me how a Guard/Tackle who played for a wide-open spread passing offensive team and rarely, if ever, played with a 3 point stance, is considered the 'best pick' and a 'fit' for the ZBT?

[Oly]

That's because Kapadia was reading Rob Stanton, who nailed it first and has been saying it all along.

I didn't mean mocking Ifedi, I meant predicting that we'd trade back w/ someone looking for a QB that dropped to pick him. You're right that Stanton has been consistent on Ifedi for months.

[monkey]

My hope now is they either take Fackrell or Kaufusi, though they might have to trade up to get him.
Either one and I'll be DANCING.

EDIT: Gotcha Oly, I wasn't knocking Kapadia either, trust me. It's SO nice to see a Seahawks beat writer who actually GETS IT. Kapadia is terrific IMO.
I was just trying to give credit to Stanton, who really has figured out this whole Seahawks draft thing. There's not anyone better.

[mykc14]

My hope now is they either take Fackrell or Kaufusi, though they might have to trade up to get him.
Either one and I'll be DANCING.

Yeah, I would be very happy with either guy, especially kaufusi. I think your right about us having to trade up to get him, too. I would be surprised if he fell to #56.

[NorthHawk]

Ifedi fits the size requirement for RT and LG along our OL. At least that's the pattern. He's about the same size as Webb and Breno, but with better athleticism. How quickly he learns will be the key for this pick, but he has the tools.

[monkey]

I just realized that I left a guy off my list of picks in Bob's thread that might just be one of our picks in round three now.
Graham Glasgow. (Can't believe I left him off).
What we need now is a real center, one who can come in and replace Lewis right away, and Glasgow could do that day one.
IIRC the reason I left him off is because I personally think they will draft Conner McGovern and move him to center. I still should have listed Glasgow though...I could see that happening.
Oh well, tomorrow is going to be FUN!


Round 1, Pick 31 (31): OL Germain Ifedi, Texas A&M
Round 2, Pick 25 (56):
Round 3, Pick 27 (90):
Round 3, Pick 31 (94):
Round 3, Pick 35 (97) (Comp pick):
Round 4, Pick 26 (124):
Round 5, Pick 34 (171) (Comp pick):
Round 6, Pick 40 (215) (Comp pick):
Round 7, Pick 4 (225) (From Cowboys):
Round 7, Pick 26 (247):

EDIT: No sooner do I say that I think they take McGovern and move him to center than Rob Stanton posts this.
http://seahawksdraftblog.com/seahawks-take-germain-ifedi-in-round-one

Great explanation for why we take Ifedi, and Rob thinks tomorrow we take McGovern and move him to center.

[monkey]

Please explain to me how a Guard/Tackle who played for a wide-open spread passing offensive team and rarely, if ever, played with a 3 point stance, is considered the 'best pick' and a 'fit' for the ZBT?

Here, read this. It will nicely explain everything I believe.
http://seahawksdraftblog.com/possible-seahawks-target-germain-ifedi-creating-a-buzz

[monkey]

Here's how I see tomorrow playing out.
I see the Seahawks adding at least one more O-lineman. Connor McGovern, Joe Haeg, Joe Dahl and Hal Vaitai all would fit the scheme and all are expected to go from 2-4.
I see the Seahawks taking one or more of Jonathan Bullard, Chris Henry, maybe Chris Jones, Noah Spence, Kevin Dodd, Kyler Fackrell (please!) or Bronson Kaufusi (pretty please!)
I think one of Kenneth Dixon or Paul Perkins would fit nicely tomorrow as well, as the depth at RB is extremely thin. We could also add a stud third down RB/special teams star, Tyler Ervin.
In the fourth, I see the Seahawks taking Devon Cajuste.
There are a few others as well, but those are the ones I am highest on.

[HumanCockroach]

I kind of feel like Dahl could make the transition to center. I don't doubt Seattle has plans for at least two more lineman ( probably three) and wouldn't be surprised to see two selected tomorrow, but I kind of expect that second rounder to be spent on a DT that has fallen ( there's some pretty nice ones still just sitting there).

Honestly, if Jack is still hanging a around in the third, especially the very end of the third could absolutely see them taking him or Smith with one of them..

[jshawaii22]

Thanks for that link, Monkey. I don't watch enough College to have a clue, but that article is very encouraging. Do we try him at RT, since Gilliam is supposed to be locked in moving to LT or replace Britt at LG? If he moves to Guard, he'll have to learn to play with his hands in the dirt. Probably not as easy as it seems, if you've never done it on a regular basis.

[monkey]

I kind of feel like Dahl could make the transition to center. I don't doubt Seattle has plans for at least two more lineman ( probably three) and wouldn't be surprised to see two selected tomorrow, but I kind of expect that second rounder to be spent on a DT that has fallen ( there's some pretty nice ones still just sitting there).

Honestly, if Jack is still hanging a around in the third, especially the very end of the third could absolutely see them taking him or Smith with one of them..

I agree about Dahl. He too could be that guy we move to center, we'll see. He certainly fit the mold.

[mykc14]

Here's how I see tomorrow playing out.
I see the Seahawks adding at least one more O-lineman. Connor McGovern, Joe Haeg, Joe Dahl and Hal Vaitai all would fit the scheme and all are expected to go from 2-4.
I see the Seahawks taking one or more of Jonathan Bullard, Chris Henry, maybe Chris Jones, Noah Spence, Kevin Dodd, Kyler Fackrell (please!) or Bronson Kaufusi (pretty please!)
I think one of Kenneth Dixon or Paul Perkins would fit nicely tomorrow as well, as the depth at RB is extremely thin. We could also add a stud third down RB/special teams star, Tyler Ervin.
In the fourth, I see the Seahawks taking Devon Cajuste.
There are a few others as well, but those are the ones I am highest on.

If we could somehow come out of tomorrow with kaufusi and McGovern I would be very happy. The problem is I don't know if he is going to be available at 56 and I doubt McGovern will last into the late 3rd. That would mean possibly moving up in rounds 2 and 3 which would be tough. Hopefully kaufusi falls, then move up to get McGovern in round 3.

[monkey]

Thanks for that link, Monkey. I don't watch enough College to have a clue, but that article is very encouraging. Do we try him at RT, since Gilliam is supposed to be locked in moving to LT or replace Britt at LG?

According to this https://twitter.com/johnpboyle/status/725901527722795013 Yes.
I was thinking that he'd get moved to LG, and he still could, but apparently Pete likes him at RT.
THat would move Webb to LG to compete with Britt.

[mykc14]

Honestly, if Jack is still hanging a around in the third, especially the very end of the third could absolutely see them taking him or Smith with one of them..

Yeah I agree about jack. His slide is pretty crazy, actually. You never want to hear about a guy possibly needing microfracture surgery, but by all accounts that wouldn't be for years down the road. I would be shocked to see him fall out of round 2, but I was shocked to see him not drafted in round 1. Smith is another story for me. I would be more nervous about using anything above a 4th on him, although our 3 3rds are basically 4ths. At the same time I don't see us keeping all those picks as I think we will use at least 1 to move up in round 2 or 3.

[HumanCockroach]

https://twitter.com/johnpboyle/status/7 ... 7722795013 Yes.
I was thinking that he'd get moved to LG, and he still could, but apparently Pete likes him at RT.
THat would move Webb to LG to compete with Britt.

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[mykc14]

According to this https://twitter.com/johnpboyle/status/725901527722795013 Yes.
I was thinking that he'd get moved to LG, and he still could, but apparently Pete likes him at RT.
THat would move Webb to LG to compete with Britt.

Yeah, PC and JS are definitely going to project him as a T and I hope he can play there. One advantage he has is that pass blocking is a strength for him where it hasn't been for the other guys they drafted and gave a chance to start at RT (carp and Britt). I wouldn't be shocked to see him as our starting RT game 1, I mean they started carp and Britt there as rookies and they were not as athletic or as good of pass blockers as ifedi.

[NorthHawk]

I would be surprised if he started the first game at RT, but he might be at RG to begin.
It's going to take a while to get up to speed on NFL level of play and get to the point where he doesn't have to think about what he has learned from OTA's onward.

[monkey]

Good point.
At the moment, if we don't draft another lineman, we'd look like this:
LT: Gilliam
LG: *Webb/Ifedi/Britt
Center: Lewis
RG: Glowinski
RT: *Ifedi/Webb/Britt
* listed in order of who I think is most likely to start where as of right now.

Best part is, we're not done yet. Tomorrow we'll add at LEAST one more, possibly up to three more O-linemen, and one of them is bound to be a center to upgrade that spot.
After tomorrow, I expect the line to be, LT: Gilliam LG: Webb C: McGovern/or another rookie RG: Glowinski RT: Ifedi

I see this line actually improving over last years mess when all is said and done, in spite of the doom and gloom prognostications.

[monkey]

I would be surprised if he started the first game at RT, but he might be at RG to begin.
It's going to take a while to get up to speed on NFL level of play and get to the point where he doesn't have to think about what he has learned from OTA's onward.

LG most likely I would bet. I doubt RG, because at RG they tend to like guys to be a little bit smaller and quicker. LG they have used Carpenter, and Britt. They want BIG road graders at LG, and that is definitely Ifedi.

[jshawaii22]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/story/_/id/15425129/dallas-cowboys-wanted-trade-take-paxton-lynch-memphis-first-round-nfl-draft

interesting, if true... we turned down the Cowboys offer of their second AND third round pick and would of gone more, but the Seahawks took Denver's offer instead. I would of had no issue with the Lynch to the Cowboys. Which offer would of been better? We wouldn't of ended up at the end of the first round, but would have waited only 4 more picks and would of ended with multiple 2's and a way better 3rd at least, and probably a little more.
js

[RiverDog]

I was hoping that one of the top OT's would slip, but #26 is a long ways for one of them to drop and there's just too high of a premium on OT's. I saw several mocks that had us taking Ifedi in the first at #26, so picking up another 3rd just for moving down 5 slots in the first seems like a real win. And after months of debating the subject, it seems as if our FO is getting serious about addressing what many of us see as a fatal weakness, the state of our OL. Ifedi should be able to compete for a starting job immediately. The real plus is that we picked up that extra 3rd in a draft that's loaded with DL's. So at this point, I'm very pleased with the results.

4 picks on Day 2 in a draft that's deep in areas we need. We have #56, #90, #94, and #96. It should be an interesting day for us.

[monkey]

we turned down the Cowboys offer of their second AND third round pick and would of gone more, but the Seahawks took Denver's offer instead.

I think it was all a matter of having their cake and eating it with the Broncos trade. They got to move down and add a third, AND they didn't move out of the first round, and were still able to get THE guy they wanted most.
With the Dallas trade, they would have been risking missing Ifedi, and I don't think they wanted to take that chance.