Who stays, who goes?

[obiken]

He wont Emmy, he's at the tail end of his career and he can get a final money bump from Oakland or SF. He's gone.

[RiverDog]

He's certainly done as a hawk if he isn't willing to renegotiate his contract.

Yea, that's the rub. We would probably gladly take Lynch and his baggage back if he renegotiates his deal. Everything indicates that we're over paying for him... the fact that he's about to turn 30, that two other backs did a more than adequate job in his absence, the fact that our offense was more productive without him than it was with him.

But Lynch is a proud man, which is one of the things that made him so great, and I don't think he would be able to swallow his pride and take the pay cut.

[obiken]

We have 11 million in cap space until you cut Marshawn. He's gone. The OL is a work in progress, PC's words not mine. We have 17 FA to resign. How do you make It work?

[NorthHawk]

I think it's unfortunate that it will in all probability end like this for Lynch as a Seahawk, and not with a Super Bowl appearance/win.

Further to who stays and who goes, this article suggests there will be an emphasis on OL this off season.
That there might be a wholesale change is an interesting point of view.
http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seah ... erthought/

[NorthHawk]

We have 11 million in cap space until you cut Marshawn. He's gone. The OL is a work in progress, PC's words not mine. We have 17 FA to resign. How do you make It work?

Okung probably or might also be gone, so that goes up to about $20 million and then add the expected cap increase of $10 - $15 million for a total of around $30+ million.
That's a lot of money to spread around.

[EmeraldBullet]

Okung is gone fore sure. We're gonna have to get creative to replace him but we simply wont be able to afford to resign him.

[obiken]

Not really NH, on the surface maybe, but if Kam and Bennett hold firm on their demands you have 3 options: 1. Pay them a new contract. 2 Tell them too bad so sad, and see if they both walk for games again. or 3. trade them. IF you go with option 1. How much do you pay them and the rest of the roster as well. Tough choice no matter what direction they go.

[obiken]

That is a great point Oblsy!! That would be the smartest move IMHO!

[obiken]

Don't tell Human, but I tend to agree with you. NO lead with our team will now be safe!

[NorthHawk]

I' m more inclined to think that the end of the super bowl had a big impact on how the team came out in this year. It was a stunning loss, and has a terrible effect on the team that suffers it. The Seahawks will recover from this, but they will never forget it. During this year there was a hanging cloud over the team, because they had been so obviously better than the other team, and yet they fell short.

Time has passed, and our team is stronger than ever, so it will be difficult for an opponent to do well against us. This year no other team will want to play us. We will punish teams, and we will win by larger margins. We will be hungry.

Ever positive.

Add to it the inconsistency on the OL, and it's pretty amazing that we lost a few games for the want of a single First Down or just move the ball effectively to eat up time.
There was a year (2012?) that just about every team that played us lost the following week. I think it was because we beat them physically. I didn't see that as much this past year and in fact it seemed to happen to us that we got pushed around by a few teams. Perhaps this season will re-focus our team to be what they can and should be.

[RiverDog]

I' m more inclined to think that the end of the super bowl had a big impact on how the team came out in this year. It was a stunning loss, and has a terrible effect on the team that suffers it. The Seahawks will recover from this, but they will never forget it. During this year there was a hanging cloud over the team, because they had been so obviously better than the other team, and yet they fell short.

Time has passed, and our team is stronger than ever, so it will be difficult for an opponent to do well against us. This year no other team will want to play us. We will punish teams, and we will win by larger margins. We will be hungry.

Ever positive.

That was my fear at the end of last season, and some in here took some shots at me when I said that this would be a bigger challenge for Pete than rebuilding the team in the first place.

Time will tell how we recover from this season. Things just didn't go well. Kam's holdout. The Jimmy Graham trade fizzling. The inattention to the needs along the offensive line. Russell's poor play early in the season. Blowing 4th quarter leads. And little things, like Bennett not being able to stay onside. It was just a cluster puck of a season. The rally in the second half of the season gave us hope, but in the end, this team just wasn't as good as the 3 previous editions.

[Hawktawk]

It was just a cluster puck of a season. The rally in the second half of the season gave us hope, but in the end, this team just wasn't as good as the 3 previous editions.

True that but when a team makes it at least to the second round 4 seasons in a row, especially this year after the devastating loss in the SB, and fans are whining abut a bad year it just shows how frigging spoiled some of the 12s have become.
I'm damn proud of this team and this season. We will be back...

[obiken]

Me too, they could have packed it in at 4-5 but they didn't. I thought like most, but not all, that they were DONE. It was a FUBARED season but they came back.
Hopefully they come back stronger next year!!

[monkey]

Several players referenced the Falcons playoff loss, where they ALMOST came back, as the way they felt this year ended. We all know how the following season turned out.
I am expecting the same thing. No more having to get over a Super Bowl loss. No more bad feelings from one particular player about not getting the ball at the end there. No more divided locker room about it...instead players like Sherman, Thomas, Baldwin, Lockett, and Wilson are all talking about how they felt like they pulled together at the end, and showed the resolve to fight, showed their toughness and championship mindset.
Next year I suspect a serious refocus, no more "hangover" but instead a serious resolve to get back to and win a Super Bowl.

[RiverDog]

Several players referenced the Falcons playoff loss, where they ALMOST came back, as the way they felt this year ended. We all know how the following season turned out.
I am expecting the same thing. No more having to get over a Super Bowl loss. No more bad feelings from one particular player about not getting the ball at the end there. No more divided locker room about it...instead players like Sherman, Thomas, Baldwin, Lockett, and Wilson are all talking about how they felt like they pulled together at the end, and showed the resolve to fight, showed their toughness and championship mindset.
Next year I suspect a serious refocus, no more "hangover" but instead a serious resolve to get back to and win a Super Bowl.

The Falcons loss back in the 2011 season had a quite a bit different feeling for me than did the loss to the Panthers. First off, we were never down by anything close to 31-0. Secondly, it was Russell Wilson's first season, and I was just getting warmed up to him, wasn't sure if he was the right guy or not until our OT win vs. the Bears a few weeks earlier. There wasn't a game in the entire 2015 season that was anywhere close to the game in December 2011 when we beach slapped the defending NFC champ 49'ers. We were a team on the rise rather than this mature team trying to re-establish our dominance.

Back in the 2011 season, I felt that we were the best team in the NFC , if not the entire league, even after we lost to the Falcons. I did not have that same feeling after we lost to the Panthers this season.

There's a lot more work to do in this offseason than there was at the end of the 2011 season. Every area of the team has at least one player that has a contract issue... Bennett, Mebane, and Rubin on the DL, Irvin at LB, Lane at CB on the defensive side, Okung and Sweezy, our two best OL's, a starting WR in Jermaine Kearse, our starting RB in Beast. Even our punter Jon Ryan is a UFA. The only area of the team that doesn't have contract issues is our QB.

[monkey]

The Falcons loss back in the 2011 season had a quite a bit different feeling for me than did the loss to the Panthers.

It doesn't matter how YOU felt about it though, your feelings are irrelevant (no offense, but it's true), it is all about how the PLAYERS felt about it, and they are all saying that they feel the way they did after the Falcons loss.
You may not think we were the best team in football, but the players do, (so do I), you may not think we will be the NFL's best team next year, but the players do (so do I).
That's really all that matters, the players and coaches attitude and belief about themselves and their abilities. They think they're the NFL's best when they play to their potential (again I agree).
You see the negatives (most teams have FAR more than we do BTW) all I see is the progress we made offensively and all the talent we have coming back next year.
I expect another Super Bowl run.

[NorthHawk]

I think they select a RB at some point in this draft, if only for insurance for Rawls and his recovery as well as settle on a solid backup.
I can see the team being far more focused this year, but the only thing that might hold them back is if there are big changes on the OL.
We gave away too much early last year and it can't happen again if we expect to seriously challenge for another crown.

[EmeraldBullet]

I think they select a RB at some point in this draft, if only for insurance for Rawls and his recovery as well as settle on a solid backup.
I can see the team being far more focused this year, but the only thing that might hold them back is if there are big changes on the OL.
We gave away too much early last year and it can't happen again if we expect to seriously challenge for another crown.

Agree fully. Not sure where we draft the RB though. It wouldn't surprise me either if we just sign a FA RB, I'm not sure we could spend more than a late round pick at that position. It's kinda pointless to be set at RB if you have no OL. OL obviously needs to be addressed first. I hope we keep Sweezy (I feel his personality really fits our team.)

[RiverDog]

It doesn't matter how YOU felt about it though, your feelings are irrelevant (no offense, but it's true), it is all about how the PLAYERS felt about it, and they are all saying that they feel the way they did after the Falcons loss.
You may not think we were the best team in football, but the players do, (so do I), you may not think we will be the NFL's best team next year, but the players do (so do I).neces
That's really all that matters, the players and coaches attitude and belief about themselves and their abilities. They think they're the NFL's best when they play to their potential (again I agree).
You see the negatives (most teams have FAR more than we do BTW) all I see is the progress we made offensively and all the talent we have coming back next year.
I expect another Super Bowl run.

I agree, monkey. Of course their feelings trump mine. All I was doing was disagreeing with the Hawk players and their comparison to the 2011 season. This year didn't feel the same to me as it did in 2011, not even close. Just my opinion.

And I agree, I think that another SB run is not only possible, but probable, and that's my expectation as well. We should at least be in the mix.

I also agree that I have a tendency to be more critical than most others. That doesn't necessarily mean that I am wrong and it certainly doesn't mean that I'm any less of a Seahawks fan than you or anyone else on this board.

You say I'm negative, and that's fine, no offense taken. I've been called far worse. But I prefer to use a different term to define my perspectives: Objective.

[savvyman]

surprised you feel that way about Kam. I think that might be some feelings held over from his lockout, which made most of us upset as he didn't have a leg to stand on and we lost the first 2 games where his presence would have made a difference. But to question his compete level? Sorry man, that's absurd.

I don't know - I have noticed throughout the season - and I believe commented on this in a couple game threads - that I was not hearing or seeing Kam's name mentioned much during games - unlike his performances in past seasons when I would see him making plays or hear his name being mentioned quite often - I do recall the big game saving play against Detriot and the big hit he put on Greg Olsen yesterday - but there is not much more that I can recall.

The only way I could know for sure is to watch an isolated video of Kam performance each game - but I do not have access to that.

I am certain that Pete & John knows whats up with Kam - and if he has changed his game style this season then they will be fully aware of it.

I think that this was Pete's toughest year ever in managing the locker room - and I have a feeling that he will not continue to coddle players - no matter who they are - who are not living up to his number one core principle....... "Always Compete".

If the Seahawks decide to move on from Kam Chancellor it will not surprise me in the least. Do note I am not rooting for this, I would rather have the pre 2015-16 Kam Chancellor on our roster on opening day in September, 2016.

Apparently Dave Wyman shares the same thoughts on Kam's performance last season as me - (Which others here on the board disagreed - see thread above) - Not that I care too much what Dave Wyman thinks but others tend to weight much higher so called experts opinions (such as ex NFL players) then some Anonymous Internet board member.......


http://mynorthwest.com/292/2898860/Wyman-Seahawks-can-make-a-statement-by-rewarding-Michael-Bennett-and-not-Kam-Chancellor#comments


>>>>>>>>>"If you really want to send a statement to everyone else, if he were to (restructure the contract of) Bennett and not Kam Chancellor, Michael Bennett showed up on time," he said, referencing Chancellor's holdout that lasted through the first two weeks of the regular season. "Yes, (Bennett) complained ... (but) he was here, he showed up, he worked hard, and also he had a really good season. A really good season."

That much is certainly true/ Bennett tied for 15th in the NFL with 10 sacks on his way to his first career Pro Bowl nod at the age of 30.

"Maybe they should do something, because I think he's one of the premier defensive linemen in the league," Wyman said.

As for Chancellor, 27, the 2015 season may have been his most inconsistent since he was drafted by Seattle in 2010. At the very least, it fell short of what Seahawks fans had grown accustomed to from the four-time Pro Bowler, which makes it hard to prioritize over Bennett after his career year.

"You look at Kam Chancellor ... it wasn't a Kam Chancellor-like season," Wyman said, "and also he didn't show up on time."<<<<<<<<<<

[NorthHawk]

I think and hope Kam will be here in 2016 and beyond. Just his presence alone changes how Offenses attack our Defense and receivers run their patterns.
This was an off year and he came in physically ready which is a bit of a surprise considering how many players get hurt after holding out, but it doesn't look like he was mentally ready and I'm not convinced he ever caught up completely.