Offense Needs To Improve

[Irish Greg 2.0]

I don't think it's a matter of them "holding" Wilson back. I do think there is an element of how risky Pete wants the game to be called. The more I think about it and see the same baseline game plan every week with no flourishes or wrinkles, the more I realize Bevell is marching to the beat of Pete's drumbeat.

REMEMBER...we win with elite defense and a very strong running game. I, for one, was thrilled to see us rack up 175 on the ground against a top-5 defense that had just shutdown one of the NFL's best offenses the week before. Our running game was out of sync down the stretch, too. It was a game that demanded we run the ball, with the weather and with a future Hall of Fame QB on the other side. I have no problem with the way we played it vs New Orleans.

The problem I have is we are continually not utilizing basic pieces of offensive football: Tight ends, screen passes, easy throws to the FB out of the backfield (that we perfected last season), to move the chains and to get our QB in rhythm. I don't remember the last screen we tried (other than the bubbles and smoke screens we run to the WRs). I don't remember the last time we tried to get Luke Willson down a seam to take advantage of his athleticism, the flagged long gainer vs the Rams notwithstanding. There is too much feast or famine this season in the passing game...throw it up down the field and hope they make a play, or we punt and play D.

[PasadenaHawk]

I agree I.G. I'll say that this past game the plan was and should have been to rely on the run game due to weather. But we can't ignore the trend since the previous N.O. game. Our passing game needs to improve and I believe we have the weapons to do it, the plays just aren't being called. Wilson, as great as he is, has been frustrating with his innacurate throws to guys wide open just 8-10 yards downfield.

[HawkWow]

I maintain Wilson is fatigued and Bevell and Pete are seeing this in practice. I mean no offense, but it's a bit absurd, IMO, to think we are smarter than those guys and that they are intentionally holding Wilson back even though he is capable of much more. Why would they engage in such lunacy?

Further, I think whatever is happening is also messing with our identity as an offense. Empty back sets on 3rd and 2 suggest as much. It's like we want to be a run team, but sort of unsure whether or not we are. Not long ago, after 1 of Russ' great performances, Pete commented that we have been a run first team but with Wilson's growth, we will likely be passing much more. What happened to that?

These guys are not idiots and while Pete has always coached smash mouth, run first football, his Heisman QBs didn't win those awards by handing the ball off. I have a very hard time believing Pete is satisfied with 100 passing yards...even in winning. If for no other reason, such miniscule passing numbers do little to assist his run game.

Blame our WRs, blame our QB, blame our O-line, but "Pete and Bevell are dumb for holding RW back" cannot possibly be the issue.

No one is saying that the coaches are dumb. I am just bewildered as to the trend that had us as a decent offense down to being the last rated in the league during our last 4 reg season games. Playoffs continued the trend(arguably for valid reasons though, i.e. weather).
That's all.
No different than you calling PC dumb for keeping Percy Harvin during your rant of a million posts.

Haha...touche'. ; )

Our forum here, because it' new, doesn't have a lot of in- game activity. This, FTM, forces me to visit that other forum..more than I'd care to. With that, you're right: this board is capable of thinking outside the box...the other not as much. So after reading a million "Fire Bevell" threads, I posted here and carried that sentiment here as well.

I'm not a huge fan of Bevell's but I am a full blown idiot compared to him and remind myself of this when I feel compelled to question his overall play calling / game planning. I assume there is a reason for the pedestrian game he is calling with RW and with all other avenues exhausted, it makes me think it's a matter f fatigue...and that would make perfect sense for the reasons I posted earlier.

Now...Pete and the Harvin thing (LOL). I'm not sure that was an analogy that best serves your position. With Harvin's history and now less than a handful of touches after an entire season, one could definitely make the argument Pete was "dumb" for making that trade. But I won't. I'm not smarter than Pete, but had we went my route? I would appear much smarter than Pete, today. LOL.

Again, I meant no offense to anyone here (that I don't have on ignore). I'd just hate to think that bevell is being raked over the coals for a crime he is not guilty of...like Harvin, he's a Hawk, and they both will have my respect until there is solid proof they are undeserving. Today I am OK with everything Harvin. Even if he is out next game, the injury is likely. That hasn't always been the case. Go Hawks.

[Anthony]

I agree I.G. I'll say that this past game the plan was and should have been to rely on the run game due to weather. But we can't ignore the trend since the previous N.O. game. Our passing game needs to improve and I believe we have the weapons to do it, the plays just aren't being called. Wilson, as great as he is, has been frustrating with his innacurate throws to guys wide open just 8-10 yards downfield.

you do realize that in 4 of the past 6 games he was well over 60% completion? I agree he has made some bad passes but there have also been a lot more drops in the last few weeks, and that is a big issue

[Anthony]

I maintain Wilson is fatigued and Bevell and Pete are seeing this in practice. I mean no offense, but it's a bit absurd, IMO, to think we are smarter than those guys and that they are intentionally holding Wilson back even though he is capable of much more. Why would they engage in such lunacy?

Further, I think whatever is happening is also messing with our identity as an offense. Empty back sets on 3rd and 2 suggest as much. It's like we want to be a run team, but sort of unsure whether or not we are. Not long ago, after 1 of Russ' great performances, Pete commented that we have been a run first team but with Wilson's growth, we will likely be passing much more. What happened to that?

These guys are not idiots and while Pete has always coached smash mouth, run first football, his Heisman QBs didn't win those awards by handing the ball off. I have a very hard time believing Pete is satisfied with 100 passing yards...even in winning. If for no other reason, such miniscule passing numbers do little to assist his run game.

Blame our WRs, blame our QB, blame our O-line, but "Pete and Bevell are dumb for holding RW back" cannot possibly be the issue.

No one is saying that the coaches are dumb. I am just bewildered as to the trend that had us as a decent offense down to being the last rated in the league during our last 4 reg season games. Playoffs continued the trend(arguably for valid reasons though, i.e. weather).
That's all.
No different than you calling PC dumb for keeping Percy Harvin during your rant of a million posts.

Haha...touche'. ; )

Our forum here, because it' new, doesn't have a lot of in- game activity. This, FTM, forces me to visit that other forum..more than I'd care to. With that, you're right: this board is capable of thinking outside the box...the other not as much. So after reading a million "Fire Bevell" threads, I posted here and carried that sentiment here as well.

I'm not a huge fan of Bevell's but I am a full blown idiot compared to him and remind myself of this when I feel compelled to question his overall play calling / game planning. I assume there is a reason for the pedestrian game he is calling with RW and with all other avenues exhausted, it makes me think it's a matter f fatigue...and that would make perfect sense for the reasons I posted earlier.

Now...Pete and the Harvin thing (LOL). I'm not sure that was an analogy that best serves your position. With Harvin's history and now less than a handful of touches after an entire season, one could definitely make the argument Pete was "dumb" for making that trade. But I won't. I'm not smarter than Pete, but had we went my route? I would appear much smarter than Pete, today. LOL.

Again, I meant no offense to anyone here (that I don't have on ignore). I'd just hate to think that bevell is being raked over the coals for a crime he is not guilty of...like Harvin, he's a Hawk, and they both will have my respect until there is solid proof they are undeserving. Today I am OK with everything Harvin. Even if he is out next game, the injury is likely. That hasn't always been the case. Go Hawks.

The problem is and the reason why he is being raked over is, we do not know why he has changed his paly calling. You can say fatigue but we do not know that, if could be he is sand bagging, it could be PC wants him to stay conservative. We really do not know. But we have a clue when Rw says he has to beg Bevell to let him make a play to ice the game, That tells me a lot. The fact that Rw would say that to reporters tells you a lot he is frustrated with the play calling, and rightfully so. It tells me they are being conservative by design. As soon as we got a lead they got conservative. As soon as we clinched the payoffs they got conservative. Coincidence? I think not. PC has said he wants a conservative, no turnover, run orientated offense, that will allow the defense on the field in the 4th with a lead, well we are getting that, and we are 3-2 with it. PC even said in his press conference they went conservative in the 2nd half and have been playing conservative for a few games. What more do you want. The issue is they want to play conservative and well when you do there is not much passing, your qb does not get into a rhythm and there you go.

[NorthHawk]

Going conservative isn't an issue. It's going conservative but not being able to control the clock that is the concern.
If they were playing well on Offense in the first half using most of the playbook, then they could run better with the Defense not crowding the LoS.
As it is, they haven't been aggressive enough early to make the opposing Defense care about pass plays so they focus on stopping the run.
That will lead to a number of punts after only 3 or 6 plays when they really want to use up the clock. It's counterproductive to be too conservative and predictable.

[HawkWow]

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The problem is and the reason why he is being raked over is, we do not know why he has changed his paly calling. You can say fatigue but we do not know that, if could be he is sand bagging, it could be PC wants him to stay conservative. We really do not know. But we have a clue when Rw says he has to beg Bevell to let him make a play to ice the game, That tells me a lot. The fact that Rw would say that to reporters tells you a lot he is frustrated with the play calling, and rightfully so. It tells me they are being conservative by design. As soon as we got a lead they got conservative. As soon as we clinched the payoffs they got conservative. Coincidence? I think not. PC has said he wants a conservative, no turnover, run orientated offense, that will allow the defense on the field in the 4th with a lead, well we are getting that, and we are 3-2 with it. PC even said in his press conference they went conservative in the 2nd half and have been playing conservative for a few games. What more do you want. The issue is they want to play conservative and well when you do there is not much passing, your qb does not get into a rhythm and there you go.

You should know by now coach-speak means very little. "We are going to be conservative" might just be another way of saying "Wilson is spent". And Wilson's statement that he had to get permission from Bevell on the 3rd down conversion isn't exactly a sign that Bevell has been holding him back. Of course he had to get the go-ahead on such a play. Thank God it worked...had it not, you would be blaming Bevell and so would I. It was a low percentage play that just barely worked...and even though successful, I'm still not happy with it.

No, I don't know for sure that Wilson is fatigued..but if he's not, he's on PEDS. Of course he's fatigued. The question is, how much of a role is fatigue playing in his diminished numbers? Drops aside, Wilson's timing is off. That could be fatigue. His over throws could be stress related to fatigue. In last year's playoffs, Pete let Wilson play sandlot and it was Wilson's ability to do so that took us 19 secs away from the NFCCG. I find it hard to believe Pete or Bevell is saying...that worked real well for us last year, let's never do that again.

It's OK to critique RW, Anthony. We all love him but he is not Superman. I am more concerned for Wilson, at this point, than I am upset with Wilson. I have no doubt he will rebound..just as I have no doubt something's not right, atm. Let's hope fatigue is the reason...the alternative reasons wouldn't be nearly as pleasant.

Nice post NorthHawk. And not only have we become predictable, we are beating the bejesus out of Lynch in the process.

[Seahawks4Ever]

Pete is a good coach but not a great coach. Pete is especially not an in-game great coach. We were spoiled with Mike Holmgren because he could make adjustments during the game. By adjustments I mean with the offense. Holmgren was from the Bill Walsh coaching tree.

Pete Carroll is from the Marty Shottenhiemer coaching tree. How many championships did a Marty Shottenheimer coaqche3d team ever win?? NONE!

Pete has done a great job rebuilding the team, especially with the defense. Pete seems to have turned over the offense completely to Cable and Bevell. In fact, if you listen to RW Bevell calls the running plays and Bevell the pass plays. That's no way to run an offense.

Exactly what does Pete do during the game?? Does he give any input? or, is he the type of coach that Bill Walsh used to call the "Chairman" of the board? Chuck knox was a Chairman. Walsh said of such coaches "look at them, they don't even wear a head set, they have no idea what is going on with their team.

Now, Pete wears a headset but is he giving any commands or is he merely listening to his coordinators? The defense made a huge leap when Gus Bradley left for greener pastures. There are many of us that can't wait for Bevel to be gone after this season. What does that tell you?? It tells me that we might have to "wait until next year", well, I don't want to wait until next year, I am sick and tired of waiting for next year. The Seahawks had the team to win it all last year, but for Bradley, they have the team to win it all this season if Pete would only throw aside his Marty Ball instincts and coach like he wants to win instead of trying not to lose!

[Anthony]

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The problem is and the reason why he is being raked over is, we do not know why he has changed his paly calling. You can say fatigue but we do not know that, if could be he is sand bagging, it could be PC wants him to stay conservative. We really do not know. But we have a clue when Rw says he has to beg Bevell to let him make a play to ice the game, That tells me a lot. The fact that Rw would say that to reporters tells you a lot he is frustrated with the play calling, and rightfully so. It tells me they are being conservative by design. As soon as we got a lead they got conservative. As soon as we clinched the payoffs they got conservative. Coincidence? I think not. PC has said he wants a conservative, no turnover, run orientated offense, that will allow the defense on the field in the 4th with a lead, well we are getting that, and we are 3-2 with it. PC even said in his press conference they went conservative in the 2nd half and have been playing conservative for a few games. What more do you want. The issue is they want to play conservative and well when you do there is not much passing, your qb does not get into a rhythm and there you go.

You should know by now coach-speak means very little. "We are going to be conservative" might just be another way of saying "Wilson is spent". And Wilson's statement that he had to get permission from Bevell on the 3rd down conversion isn't exactly a sign that Bevell has been holding him back. Of course he had to get the go-ahead on such a play. Thank God it worked...had it not, you would be blaming Bevell and so would I. It was a low percentage play that just barely worked...and even though successful, I'm still not happy with it.

No, I don't know for sure that Wilson is fatigued..but if he's not, he's on PEDS. Of course he's fatigued. The question is, how much of a role is fatigue playing in his diminished numbers? Drops aside, Wilson's timing is off. That could be fatigue. His over throws could be stress related to fatigue. In last year's playoffs, Pete let Wilson play sandlot and it was Wilson's ability to do so that took us 19 secs away from the NFCCG. I find it hard to believe Pete or Bevell is saying...that worked real well for us last year, let's never do that again.

It's OK to critique RW, Anthony. We all love him but he is not Superman. I am more concerned for Wilson, at this point, than I am upset with Wilson. I have no doubt he will rebound..just as I have no doubt something's not right, atm. Let's hope fatigue is the reason...the alternative reasons wouldn't be nearly as pleasant.

Nice post NorthHawk. And not only have we become predictable, we are beating the bejesus out of Lynch in the process.

so again sorry you have no clue why or if he is fatigued you are guessing. Yes you could be right but so could the change to being conservative which is what PC has said. Now why is he being conservative, well he has always said an offense that does not turn the ball over, gets a lead, runs, and lets the defense close it out. SO to PC he just wants a lead after that conservative time and hope the defense can hold them. That is what PC wants, and that is what he is getting has nothing to do with fatigue, and there is really no other reasons, they said in on 710 , they said it on KJR, Milen said it, Tim Hasselbeck said it guys that would know have said it. HAs Rw been a little off yes, has the Wr failed to get open yes, have there been drops yes, has the o-line been bad yes, has the play calling been bad yes, and have they been conservative yes, these are all facts, all of which point to things that have nothing to do with fatigue.

[Eaglehawk]

I maintain Wilson is fatigued and Bevell and Pete are seeing this in practice. I mean no offense, but it's a bit absurd, IMO, to think we are smarter than those guys and that they are intentionally holding Wilson back even though he is capable of much more. Why would they engage in such lunacy?

Further, I think whatever is happening is also messing with our identity as an offense. Empty back sets on 3rd and 2 suggest as much. It's like we want to be a run team, but sort of unsure whether or not we are. Not long ago, after 1 of Russ' great performances, Pete commented that we have been a run first team but with Wilson's growth, we will likely be passing much more. What happened to that?

These guys are not idiots and while Pete has always coached smash mouth, run first football, his Heisman QBs didn't win those awards by handing the ball off. I have a very hard time believing Pete is satisfied with 100 passing yards...even in winning. If for no other reason, such miniscule passing numbers do little to assist his run game.

Blame our WRs, blame our QB, blame our O-line, but "Pete and Bevell are dumb for holding RW back" cannot possibly be the issue.

No one is saying that the coaches are dumb. I am just bewildered as to the trend that had us as a decent offense down to being the last rated in the league during our last 4 reg season games. Playoffs continued the trend(arguably for valid reasons though, i.e. weather).
That's all.
No different than you calling PC dumb for keeping Percy Harvin during your rant of a million posts.

Haha...touche'. ; )

Our forum here, because it' new, doesn't have a lot of in- game activity. This, FTM, forces me to visit that other forum..more than I'd care to. With that, you're right: this board is capable of thinking outside the box...the other not as much. So after reading a million "Fire Bevell" threads, I posted here and carried that sentiment here as well.

I'm not a huge fan of Bevell's but I am a full blown idiot compared to him and remind myself of this when I feel compelled to question his overall play calling / game planning. I assume there is a reason for the pedestrian game he is calling with RW and with all other avenues exhausted, it makes me think it's a matter f fatigue...and that would make perfect sense for the reasons I posted earlier.

Now...Pete and the Harvin thing (LOL). I'm not sure that was an analogy that best serves your position. With Harvin's history and now less than a handful of touches after an entire season, one could definitely make the argument Pete was "dumb" for making that trade. But I won't. I'm not smarter than Pete, but had we went my route? I would appear much smarter than Pete, today. LOL.

Again, I meant no offense to anyone here (that I don't have on ignore). I'd just hate to think that bevell is being raked over the coals for a crime he is not guilty of...like Harvin, he's a Hawk, and they both will have my respect until there is solid proof they are undeserving. Today I am OK with everything Harvin. Even if he is out next game, the injury is likely. That hasn't always been the case. Go Hawks.

You are alright Hawkwow. No offense taken. "that I don't have on ignore". Now that is hilarious!!!!! Good for you! I didn't know we had that feature.

[Eaglehawk]

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The problem is and the reason why he is being raked over is, we do not know why he has changed his paly calling. You can say fatigue but we do not know that, if could be he is sand bagging, it could be PC wants him to stay conservative. We really do not know. But we have a clue when Rw says he has to beg Bevell to let him make a play to ice the game, That tells me a lot. The fact that Rw would say that to reporters tells you a lot he is frustrated with the play calling, and rightfully so. It tells me they are being conservative by design. As soon as we got a lead they got conservative. As soon as we clinched the payoffs they got conservative. Coincidence? I think not. PC has said he wants a conservative, no turnover, run orientated offense, that will allow the defense on the field in the 4th with a lead, well we are getting that, and we are 3-2 with it. PC even said in his press conference they went conservative in the 2nd half and have been playing conservative for a few games. What more do you want. The issue is they want to play conservative and well when you do there is not much passing, your qb does not get into a rhythm and there you go.

You should know by now coach-speak means very little. "We are going to be conservative" might just be another way of saying "Wilson is spent". And Wilson's statement that he had to get permission from Bevell on the 3rd down conversion isn't exactly a sign that Bevell has been holding him back. Of course he had to get the go-ahead on such a play. Thank God it worked...had it not, you would be blaming Bevell and so would I. It was a low percentage play that just barely worked...and even though successful, I'm still not happy with it.

No, I don't know for sure that Wilson is fatigued..but if he's not, he's on PEDS. Of course he's fatigued. The question is, how much of a role is fatigue playing in his diminished numbers? Drops aside, Wilson's timing is off. That could be fatigue. His over throws could be stress related to fatigue. In last year's playoffs, Pete let Wilson play sandlot and it was Wilson's ability to do so that took us 19 secs away from the NFCCG. I find it hard to believe Pete or Bevell is saying...that worked real well for us last year, let's never do that again.

It's OK to critique RW, Anthony. We all love him but he is not Superman. I am more concerned for Wilson, at this point, than I am upset with Wilson. I have no doubt he will rebound..just as I have no doubt something's not right, atm. Let's hope fatigue is the reason...the alternative reasons wouldn't be nearly as pleasant.

Nice post NorthHawk. And not only have we become predictable, we are beating the bejesus out of Lynch in the process.

so again sorry you have no clue why or if he is fatigued you are guessing. Yes you could be right but so could the change to being conservative which is what PC has said. Now why is he being conservative, well he has always said an offense that does not turn the ball over, gets a lead, runs, and lets the defense close it out. SO to PC he just wants a lead after that conservative time and hope the defense can hold them. That is what PC wants, and that is what he is getting has nothing to do with fatigue, and there is really no other reasons, they said in on 710 , they said it on KJR, Milen said it, Tim Hasselbeck said it guys that would know have said it. HAs Rw been a little off yes, has the Wr failed to get open yes, have there been drops yes, has the o-line been bad yes, has the play calling been bad yes, and have they been conservative yes, these are all facts, all of which point to things that have nothing to do with fatigue.

Anthony, you ought to be on Court TV with that little rant. (Makes sense too).

[NorthHawk]

I find it scary that we rely on getting an early lead then protecting it.
That's a recipe for disaster and the Offense has to contribute more if only to let the Defense get some rest.

[Anthony]

well here is one of several articles that make it clear the problem is not really Rw but the game plan

"“I think he’s doing great,” Seahawks coach Pete Carroll said. “I think he’s doing what we need to do in these games. We can always do better. He’s very concerned about leading us in the way that keeps our philosophy intact, which is take care of the football and he’s done a great job of that and he’s done that all year long. We’re always looking for more and he is, too, and all that."


http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dcbqc?utm_ ... e-seahawks

Unfortunately that taking care of the ball means he will throw it away more, throw it in places no one but our guys can get it and they might not, and he will not get enough attempts to get in rhythm so his completion % will suffer. Now why all of a sudden after we clinched they went this way I have no clue. Hopefully they will open it up again, they will need to.

[RiverDog]

Russell didn't have a great game, but he didn't have to. I got the definite impression that he did not take any chances and that the wind affected his decision making. The only play that I saw where he took a gamble was on the 3rd and 2 play he connected with Baldwin on that essentially won the game for us.

We had the lead throughout the entire game. We have one of the best running games in the league with a running back that doesn't fumble often. The weather conditions was not well suited to a robust passing attack. We have the best defense in the league. Those factors dictate that you play conservatively and not do something that's going to put your defense in a bad spot. We did not have any turnovers that game, and a lot of that is thanks to Russell and Bevell's conservatism.

[NorthHawk]

So what happens if we get behind by 7 or 10 points?
You can't just turn the Offense loose if you haven't made those plays for the last month or month and a half.
It doesn't work that way - it's not a utility like electricity and turning on a light switch.
The WRs and QB won't be on the same page and the OL will probably miss more assignments than they already are.

[Seahawks4Ever]

Exactly, and we saw what happened when they did try to "turn it on" against SF and Zona, the offense fizzled and they didn't get the points they needed to win the game.

Game manager, that's the word I was trying to think of in my previous post. Pete has turned Russell Wilson in to a Game Managing QB and he just isn't that type of QB.

Jim Hairball fell in to that trap with his QB earlier in the season, but he recognized the problem and let his QB be himself.

A team that plays not to lose will do just that, lose.

I have every expectation that our Seahawks are not only going to win this Sunday but also the Super Bowl. But...

[Anthony]

Exactly, and we saw what happened when they did try to "turn it on" against SF and Zona, the offense fizzled and they didn't get the points they needed to win the game.

Game manager, that's the word I was trying to think of in my previous post. Pete has turned Russell Wilson in to a Game Managing QB and he just isn't that type of QB.

Jim Hairball fell in to that trap with his QB earlier in the season, but he recognized the problem and let his QB be himself.

A team that plays not to lose will do just that, lose.

I have every expectation that our Seahawks are not only going to win this Sunday but also the Super Bowl. But...

Actually a game manager would not have come back in those games either. However in both the AZ and SF game we had the lead late in the 4th and the defense did not keep it. Now that said we are all correct in that if PC and Bevell let Rw be Rw and kept the peddle to the mettle on offense we would be scoring 30+ points a game. We were one of the highest scoring teams in the league up until we clinched , then we went conservative and our barely avg 20. If we keep it up we will not win the SB. We have a Ferrari in Rw but they will only let him play like am Escort. That is the problem

[THX-1138]

RW fatigued? I don't really think thats the case. He is young, in excellent shape, and just came off of two weeks rest. I think the weather totally influenced the play calling. And I can see, with my eyeballs, that the play calling has become more conservative as the season has progressed. Where are the roll-out passes that RW used so successfully last season? I know that the read option is akin to a four letter word but it has worked in the past. We NEVER do it anymore so how do we know that it still wouldn't work when used smartly and only occasionally? It also seems to me that the play calling get's a bit schizophrenic at times. Sometimes when it seems we get the run game to click it appears that we go away from it. When we get a lead, instead of stepping on the opponents throat we ease off the pedal. And there is this play in football, I don't know if any of you have heard of it, called a SCREEN PASS that if we gave it a shot we might find it to be an effective way of getting short plus yards without leaning on Lynch all the time. It would also aid RW in his confidence and timing.

Now, of course when the weather is like it is last Sunday you don't spend the game taking a five step drop and throwing up prayers. Brees was doing a bit of that and look at how his game turned out in the first half. I don't think Bevell is a joke or anything but I do think he is too conservative. At this time in the season, the playoffs, what are we holding back for? If you don't win you're done.

We HAVE to convert third downs more. Our D get's fatigued with all of the 3 and outs. And we have to do whatever it takes to move the ball, not just hope for no mistakes.

[HawkWow]

I'm pretty much done with the contingency that fails to see the possibility RW may be getting worn down. Common sense would suggest as much. Not many humans could carry the load he has dealt with on and off the field over the past 2 seasons. A generous portion of that time with an O-line no better than Bama's.

That aside, I am no longer concerned about our Offense. We will get it done one way or the other Sunday.

There is no way in hell the 9ers are going to leave the CLink NFC champs. It's just not going to happen and not even worthy, IMO, of concern. Yes, they have been playing better than us as of late. They have done so out of necessity. At the end of the day, we are the better team and we are home. I have confidence in our team and staff and my bigger concern is who will we face Feb 2nd? And I'm not that concerned about that either.

We will win Sunday by no fewer than 10 pts. Of this I am supremely confident. Go Hawks!

[THX-1138]

I'm pretty much done with the contingency that fails to see the possibility RW may be getting worn down. Common sense would suggest as much. Not many humans could carry the load he has dealt with on and off the field over the past 2 seasons. A generous portion of that time with an O-line no better than Bama's.

So you're not even going to entertain any opposition to your statement? You can't find it in you to consider an opposing view? C'mon, man.

Tom Brady doesn't look fatigued. Neither does Manning, or Kap. So why should RW be, especially in light of the reasons I stated? It's nothing personal, it's just disagreement. But it's disagreement that is totally germane to the discussion at hand, that being the Seahawks inefficiency on offense. I really don't think it's because RW is tired.

Look, you can respond or not, but don't get bent out of shape that not everyone agrees with your point. From my point of view, on a discussion board you can either argue your point or be convinced of the evidence provided by those that disagree with you enough to change your position. Or just drop it. But my pet peeve is when people make declaratory statements like "I'm through with you people". To me it's the internet equivalent of saying that you are going to take your bat and ball and go home.

I'd never presume to tell anyone how to conduct themselves, especially when, like yourself, they aren't behaving like d**ks. But don't give everyone the brush-off as if their point of view is beneath you.

[HumanCockroach]

The one thing that always sticks in my craw, is WTH is there never a receiver running a route close to the distance needed for a first down? If it's 3rd and 3, it's a 20 yard route tree for ALL the receivers with seldom a dump off option to a back or TE, if it is 3rd and 9, it's a 20 yard route tree for all the receivers again. I am not one to be upset about a game plan in general, however, it seems to me at least that sometimes a first down might be an excellent idea.

( I KNOW they don't "always" run it, and I KNOW that they do indeed garner first downs, just feel like there have been FAR to many instances were first downs aren't the aim of the play call)..... I am not opposed to taking shots down the field and actually believe strongly that they are necessary, but 7 out of 10 3rd and medium to short seems to me to be a huge mistake. I could post all day about little things that bug me, but the lack of appropriate route depth drives me insane week in and week out.

Would it really be such a stretch to run a single route to the first down marker, or have a dump off off available on third down?

[Distant Relative]

The one thing that always sticks in my craw, is WTH is there never a receiver running a route close to the distance needed for a first down? If it's 3rd and 3, it's a 20 yard route tree for ALL the receivers with seldom a dump off option to a back or TE, if it is 3rd and 9, it's a 20 yard route tree for all the receivers again. I am not one to be upset about a game plan in general, however, it seems to me at least that sometimes a first down might be an excellent idea.

( I KNOW they don't "always" run it, and I KNOW that they do indeed garner first downs, just feel like there have been FAR to many instances were first downs aren't the aim of the play call)..... I am not opposed to taking shots down the field and actually believe strongly that they are necessary, but 7 out of 10 3rd and medium to short seems to me to be a huge mistake. I could post all day about little things that bug me, but the lack of appropriate route depth drives me insane week in and week out.

Would it really be such a stretch to run a single route to the first down marker, or have a dump off off available on third down?

One word. Bevell!

[Distant Relative]

I'm pretty much done with the contingency that fails to see the possibility RW may be getting worn down. Common sense would suggest as much. Not many humans could carry the load he has dealt with on and off the field over the past 2 seasons. A generous portion of that time with an O-line no better than Bama's.

So you're not even going to entertain any opposition to your statement? You can't find it in you to consider an opposing view? C'mon, man.

Tom Brady doesn't look fatigued. Neither does Manning, or Kap. So why should RW be, especially in light of the reasons I stated? It's nothing personal, it's just disagreement. But it's disagreement that is totally germane to the discussion at hand, that being the Seahawks inefficiency on offense. I really don't think it's because RW is tired.

Look, you can respond or not, but don't get bent out of shape that not everyone agrees with your point. From my point of view, on a discussion board you can either argue your point or be convinced of the evidence provided by those that disagree with you enough to change your position. Or just drop it. But my pet peeve is when people make declaratory statements like "I'm through with you people". To me it's the internet equivalent of saying that you are going to take your bat and ball and go home.

I'd never presume to tell anyone how to conduct themselves, especially when, like yourself, they aren't behaving like d**ks. But don't give everyone the brush-off as if their point of view is beneath you.

My personal opinion about RW's possible "fatigue" is simple. I think it's mental frustration towards an inept Offensive coordinator. Its mind boggling to think that other teams are or were considering him as a head coach. IMO it is the glaring weakness on offense.

[savvyman]

Regarding the offense and Bevelle's Game plans and play calling - I would offer a "Guess" that Pete has laid down the foundation, built the walls and installed the ceiling over the room that Bevelle gets to play in.

Pete's kinda Teflon - Nobody is criticizing him and nothing about the recent offensive woes are sticking to him - only Bevelle - But I doubt Bevelle is doing anything other than following the instructions from Pete on not only what he can do but also what he had better not do.

[HawkWow]

I'm pretty much done with the contingency that fails to see the possibility RW may be getting worn down. Common sense would suggest as much. Not many humans could carry the load he has dealt with on and off the field over the past 2 seasons. A generous portion of that time with an O-line no better than Bama's.

So you're not even going to entertain any opposition to your statement? You can't find it in you to consider an opposing view? C'mon, man.

Tom Brady doesn't look fatigued. Neither does Manning, or Kap. So why should RW be, especially in light of the reasons I stated? It's nothing personal, it's just disagreement. But it's disagreement that is totally germane to the discussion at hand, that being the Seahawks inefficiency on offense. I really don't think it's because RW is tired.

Look, you can respond or not, but don't get bent out of shape that not everyone agrees with your point. From my point of view, on a discussion board you can either argue your point or be convinced of the evidence provided by those that disagree with you enough to change your position. Or just drop it. But my pet peeve is when people make declaratory statements like "I'm through with you people". To me it's the internet equivalent of saying that you are going to take your bat and ball and go home.

I'd never presume to tell anyone how to conduct themselves, especially when, like yourself, they aren't behaving like d**ks. But don't give everyone the brush-off as if their point of view is beneath you.

I guess you are a bit late to the party. With much to say for someone late to the party. We have entertained countless scenarios...and yes, I have paid close attention and given thought to all. As I will do with yours. Manning and Brady have done this for a VERY long time. They have dealt with the media, they have dealt with stardom, they have dealt with countless endorsement obligations and have teams of publicists and assistants that carry a lot of the load for them. They understand the dynamics of pace.

Kaep is playing for a team that has a bunch of titles. Of course he feels pressure but I wouldn't think along the lines of Wilson. he is carrying the weight of this city on his back and has been forced to do so without a line that remotely resembles Kaep's. Unsure how much you know about football, but do take notice how much more pressure Wilson is under than Kaep...who sometimes has an eternity in the pocket.

FYI, I wasn't given anyone with any common sense the "brush off". If you feel you got the "brush off", well, common sense is none too common, is it?

[HawkWow]

You are alright Hawkwow. No offense taken. "that I don't have on ignore". Now that is hilarious!!!!! Good for you! I didn't know we had that feature.

I think we are going to see a tremendous performance from our team this Sunday bro. So do the 9er fans. Today the Mrs and I doubled up on our beach walks...why? Well, the 2013 season is making me fat, that's one reason, the other is our beautiful beaches are littered, polluted with 9er fans. I wear my Hawk hat and I am amazed by the respect I receive. It almost seems like they are trying to rob me of this moment, LOL. I go out of my way, to get in their way, and they just do not want to engage. The best I can get is "yeah, well we'll see on Sunday"...actually, just minutes ago, I got a "yeah, well we'll see on Saturday". WTH? I didn't correct him. ; )

BTW...lot's of "GO HAWKS", too. This is our time, Eagle my man.

[Distant Relative]

Regarding the offense and Bevelle's Game plans and play calling - I would offer a "Guess" that Pete has laid down the foundation, built the walls and installed the ceiling over the room that Bevelle gets to play in.

Pete's kinda Teflon - Nobody is criticizing him and nothing about the recent offensive woes are sticking to him - only Bevelle - But I doubt Bevelle is doing anything other than following the instructions from Pete on not only what he can do but also what he had better not do.

Or..... PC doesn't trust Bevelle as a coordinator and has handcuffed him. Candy coat it all you want, Bevelle has stood up and got his former players (that know his system in the past) and they haven't really paned out. I personally think that RW is wore out with it all, I know the feeling, believe me.

This offense is one dimensional at this point and sooner or later it will catch up with them. Sunday will be box stacking day for the 9er's D, wait and see.

[HawkWow]

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The problem is and the reason why he is being raked over is, we do not know why he has changed his paly calling. You can say fatigue but we do not know that, if could be he is sand bagging, it could be PC wants him to stay conservative. We really do not know. But we have a clue when Rw says he has to beg Bevell to let him make a play to ice the game, That tells me a lot. The fact that Rw would say that to reporters tells you a lot he is frustrated with the play calling, and rightfully so. It tells me they are being conservative by design. As soon as we got a lead they got conservative. As soon as we clinched the payoffs they got conservative. Coincidence? I think not. PC has said he wants a conservative, no turnover, run orientated offense, that will allow the defense on the field in the 4th with a lead, well we are getting that, and we are 3-2 with it. PC even said in his press conference they went conservative in the 2nd half and have been playing conservative for a few games. What more do you want. The issue is they want to play conservative and well when you do there is not much passing, your qb does not get into a rhythm and there you go.

You should know by now coach-speak means very little. "We are going to be conservative" might just be another way of saying "Wilson is spent". And Wilson's statement that he had to get permission from Bevell on the 3rd down conversion isn't exactly a sign that Bevell has been holding him back. Of course he had to get the go-ahead on such a play. Thank God it worked...had it not, you would be blaming Bevell and so would I. It was a low percentage play that just barely worked...and even though successful, I'm still not happy with it.

No, I don't know for sure that Wilson is fatigued..but if he's not, he's on PEDS. Of course he's fatigued. The question is, how much of a role is fatigue playing in his diminished numbers? Drops aside, Wilson's timing is off. That could be fatigue. His over throws could be stress related to fatigue. In last year's playoffs, Pete let Wilson play sandlot and it was Wilson's ability to do so that took us 19 secs away from the NFCCG. I find it hard to believe Pete or Bevell is saying...that worked real well for us last year, let's never do that again.

It's OK to critique RW, Anthony. We all love him but he is not Superman. I am more concerned for Wilson, at this point, than I am upset with Wilson. I have no doubt he will rebound..just as I have no doubt something's not right, atm. Let's hope fatigue is the reason...the alternative reasons wouldn't be nearly as pleasant.

Nice post NorthHawk. And not only have we become predictable, we are beating the bejesus out of Lynch in the process.

so again sorry you have no clue why or if he is fatigued you are guessing. Yes you could be right but so could the change to being conservative which is what PC has said. Now why is he being conservative, well he has always said an offense that does not turn the ball over, gets a lead, runs, and lets the defense close it out. SO to PC he just wants a lead after that conservative time and hope the defense can hold them. That is what PC wants, and that is what he is getting has nothing to do with fatigue, and there is really no other reasons, they said in on 710 , they said it on KJR, Milen said it, Tim Hasselbeck said it guys that would know have said it. HAs Rw been a little off yes, has the Wr failed to get open yes, have there been drops yes, has the o-line been bad yes, has the play calling been bad yes, and have they been conservative yes, these are all facts, all of which point to things that have nothing to do with fatigue.

Anthony...I do have a "clue". While you get your facts from sports radio, I have trained, and trained with, professional athletes for a large portion of my adult life. And still do. Guys on a level no less than Wilson's. Riddick Bowe and James Toney are a couple of names you may or may not recognize. Both former world champions (hint...they're boxers, Anthony).

I may be wrong, Wilson may walk on water, too. But he is showing obvious signs of fatigue and you can accept that or not. Is his fatigue insurmountable? That is what I don't know.

Feel free to list your qualifications and the criteria you've used in determining I don't have a "clue" regarding sports related fatigue and how you have concluded "there is no way Wilson is fatigued". I will expect deeper insight than he smiles a lot.

[HawkWow]

Regarding the offense and Bevelle's Game plans and play calling - I would offer a "Guess" that Pete has laid down the foundation, built the walls and installed the ceiling over the room that Bevelle gets to play in.

Pete's kinda Teflon - Nobody is criticizing him and nothing about the recent offensive woes are sticking to him - only Bevelle - But I doubt Bevelle is doing anything other than following the instructions from Pete on not only what he can do but also what he had better not do.

You my friend are a savvy man. Bevell is a puppet to Pete and I mean no disrespect to Bevell in saying that. The reason he is being considered for HC jobs, is because GMs understand Bevell is a good soldier, doing as told.

I find it hard to believe any OC at this level, would call for run, run, pass, run, run, pass because it's all he has in his bag. There are many factors at play here and whether Bevell is worth a damn or not, I am not educated enough to say, but what we do know is he is doing as instructed by his boss and his boss has us well on our way to the SB. Frustrating but damn...we are well on our way to the SB!

[monkey]

You guys seriously need to go watch some old Vikings film while Bevell was offensive coordinator. You wouldn't be saying things like "I seriously doubt that run run pass is all he would do if"... had you watched him then.

Pete does not have to tell him how to call the games, Pete hired him BECAUSE that's how he calls games, and always has.
It's what Pete wants, AND it's what Bevell wants. When it comes to risk taking, especially where turnovers are concerned, they just WILL NOT DO IT unless they absolutely have no other choice.
Bevell and Pete are, and always were, on the exact same page when it comes to conservative play calling.
The only difference between the two is, Pete cares more about defense. Otherwise, philosophically they are essentially the exact same.

[HumanCockroach]

So Wilson has been fatigued since the end of November? Sorry, I call BS. You want to claim an unknown injury, I would be more willing to entertain the idea, but fatigue? Nah, sorry, does not hold a lot of validity, no matter who you have trained with. If he was a rookie I might buy that theory, sort of, based on the amount of games played in college to pro, but I believe he has already played this many games before, in the same offense, with the same coordinator and at a higher level. Mental or physical fatigue is a reach even for you.

If Wilson strikes you as someone that can't deal with the system ( one he flourished in last season) or physically handle the demands of the NFL it is pretty clear you are the one that hasn't been paying attention.

[HawkWow]

Good points Monkey...but let's not forget, Minnesota also had a better line than ours and they could play conservative with a back like AP. But Bevell was not conservative his last 2 years when he had Favre. So now with Bevell again conservative, are you suggesting Bevell sees Wilson as more TJack / Brad Johnson than Brett Favre?

[mykc14]

You guys seriously need to go watch some old Vikings film while Bevell was offensive coordinator. You wouldn't be saying things like "I seriously doubt that run run pass is all he would do if"... had you watched him then.

Pete does not have to tell him how to call the games, Pete hired him BECAUSE that's how he calls games, and always has.
It's what Pete wants, AND it's what Bevell wants. When it comes to risk taking, especially where turnovers are concerned, they just WILL NOT DO IT unless they absolutely have no other choice.
Bevell and Pete are, and always were, on the exact same page when it comes to conservative play calling.
The only difference between the two is, Pete cares more about defense. Otherwise, philosophically they are essentially the exact same.

This! Bevell was hand picked by Pete because of his offensive philosophy of game management, protect the ball, eat up clock.

[Anthony]

I'm pretty much done with the contingency that fails to see the possibility RW may be getting worn down. Common sense would suggest as much. Not many humans could carry the load he has dealt with on and off the field over the past 2 seasons. A generous portion of that time with an O-line no better than Bama's.

That aside, I am no longer concerned about our Offense. We will get it done one way or the other Sunday.

There is no way in hell the 9ers are going to leave the CLink NFC champs. It's just not going to happen and not even worthy, IMO, of concern. Yes, they have been playing better than us as of late. They have done so out of necessity. At the end of the day, we are the better team and we are home. I have confidence in our team and staff and my bigger concern is who will we face Feb 2nd? And I'm not that concerned about that either.

We will win Sunday by no fewer than 10 pts. Of this I am supremely confident. Go Hawks!

well the problem is the other explanation have some fact to support them, your does not

[Anthony]

so again sorry you have no clue why or if he is fatigued you are guessing. Yes you could be right but so could the change to being conservative which is what PC has said. Now why is he being conservative, well he has always said an offense that does not turn the ball over, gets a lead, runs, and lets the defense close it out. SO to PC he just wants a lead after that conservative time and hope the defense can hold them. That is what PC wants, and that is what he is getting has nothing to do with fatigue, and there is really no other reasons, they said in on 710 , they said it on KJR, Milen said it, Tim Hasselbeck said it guys that would know have said it. HAs Rw been a little off yes, has the Wr failed to get open yes, have there been drops yes, has the o-line been bad yes, has the play calling been bad yes, and have they been conservative yes, these are all facts, all of which point to things that have nothing to do with fatigue.

Anthony...I do have a "clue". While you get your facts from sports radio, I have trained, and trained with, professional athletes for a large portion of my adult life. And still do. Guys on a level no less than Wilson's. Riddick Bowe and James Toney are a couple of names you may or may not recognize. Both former world champions (hint...they're boxers, Anthony).

I may be wrong, Wilson may walk on water, too. But he is showing obvious signs of fatigue and you can accept that or not. Is his fatigue insurmountable? That is what I don't know.

Feel free to list your qualifications and the criteria you've used in determining I don't have a "clue" regarding sports related fatigue and how you have concluded "there is no way Wilson is fatigued". I will expect deeper insight than he smiles a lot.[/quote]


Dude and again he is also showing signs of frustration to so sorry while I can admit you could be right but I doubt it, I have yet to hear you say you could be wrong and there are still a large number of other reasons, that you refuse to he acknowledge.

[HawkWow]

For the record, I never said Wilson is definitely suffering from fatigue and that is the reason behind our offensive woes. You want me to say that, because then you could come to Rw's rescue, but I've simply voiced what I see as the potential problem.

Wilson needs no defending, Anthony. You've never heard me call him less than awesome. To critique his play on any given Sunday, does not diminish my overall feelings about Russell Wilson. You accuse me of not seeing other options...you seem to feel you need to defend Wilson like I'm saying he's crap when all I'm saying is I think he's wearing down (for the year). Why is that so worthy of argument? Tired does not equal crap, Anthony and I have given him credit for why he should be tired. Have I not?

Further...What exactly am I refusing to "acknowledge"? That Bevell is the sole problem?

Riddle me this, Anthony...why is Bevell so much more conservative with RW, this time this year, than he was this time last year?? Because we are missing Sid rice? No, I won't acknowledge that. You're right. Let's do this so you can sleep tonite: RW is not tired. He's spry as a chipmonk and hitting everything on target. OK? For the sake of the forum, let's agree to disagree and move on. And better yet, let's put each other on ignore. I get the feeling neither of us have anything to offer the other. But I do hope you vote for me to raise the flag someday. Take care. Go Hawks.

[Anthony]

For the record, I never said Wilson is definitely suffering from fatigue and that is the reason behind our offensive woes. You want me to say that, because then you could come to Rw's rescue, but I've simply voiced what I see as the potential problem.

Wilson needs no defending, Anthony. You've never heard me call him less than awesome. To critique his play on any given Sunday, does not diminish my overall feelings about Russell Wilson. You accuse me of not seeing other options...you seem to feel you need to defend Wilson like I'm saying he's crap when all I'm saying is I think he's wearing down (for the year). Why is that so worthy of argument? Tired does not equal crap, Anthony and I have given him credit for why he should be tired. Have I not?

Further...What exactly am I refusing to "acknowledge"? That Bevell is the sole problem?

Riddle me this, Anthony...why is Bevell so much more conservative with RW, this time this year, than he was this time last year?? Because we are missing Sid rice? No, I won't acknowledge that. You're right. Let's do this so you can sleep tonite: RW is not tired. He's spry as a chipmonk and hitting everything on target. OK? For the sake of the forum, let's agree to disagree and move on. And better yet, let's put each other on ignore. I get the feeling neither of us have anything to offer the other. But I do hope you vote for me to raise the flag someday. Take care. Go Hawks.

Dude you remind me of someone else we all know and loathe, you make statements that are as close as you can to saying he definitely fatigued and always leave yourself what in your mid is an out. So in your mind he is showing signs of fatigue but you will not say he definitely is fatigued. All you have spoken about is how he is fatigued but now you are not saying he definitely is. Well which is it either he is or he is not? The answer is you have no clue and there are in fact other reasons that have actual facts to support them. Now as to your question why has bevel all of a sudden gone conservative there are a bunch of reasons, o-line, realizing the defense is playing so well why take chances, wr not playing well, and maybe Bevell is not confident in his own game calling, a lot of reasons why, if you listen to PC it is because of the defense, so there you go.

[Eaglehawk]

I personally think the following:
1. Bevell and PC are two sides of the same coin. PC is in control, but Bevell is absolutely what PC already wanted.
2. I love the post about PC coming from the Lineage of Martyball. Now we have Bevell Ball.
3. I don't like Bevell Ball.
4. We have won games playing Bevell Ball.
5. We have lost games playing Bevell Ball.
6. Last time RW was in rhythm was during the Giants game against a piss poor team. (Correct me if my memory fails or if you disagree).
7. We can't use the Saints game as a full comparator to judge our offensive play due to the weather.
8. Our offensive production has plummeted because we have as PC admitted played conservative.
9. We have several theories about why we have suddenly gone so conservative after clinching the playoffs. From RW being fatigued, to weather, to don't play to lose, to keep the lead, this is the way PC always wanted it, RW's protecting the ball, etc.

Personally, I don't know. I don't know why our offense has slipped so far in these last few games. I think someone commented about the weather. Maybe in part though. We didn't have bad weather for all these last games.
Another point was maybe we are playing against better defenses. Cards and Rams D and Saints D are no joke. That could explain it.

When did Wilson's inaccurate throws start? (More than usual I mean, not just here and there). I'll take that back, maybe this is not even an issue, right? I saw just 3 off throws during the Saints game. One to Harvin when RW was running for his life and the two missed slant throws. This is normal IMO.
Brees was even more off. Again due to weather. Difference is with RW I just think he missed, short slant is not the equivalent of going back 2 steps and chucking the ball 40 yards to Chucky Cheese in the endzone against a 30 mph headwind. But nothing where I would get too upset about.

RECEIVERS: Now there some posters may have hit the nail on the head. I looked at some games, and what did I notice? Our receivers were not getting much separation from their men. The Saints game as well, I looked at the coaches film and saw everyone covered. Even Baldwin on that circus catch was closely covered.

RW is not FORCING THE BALL. This is very very good indeed and probably why we are still winning games.

I suspect and I hope that PC-Bevell now knows that everyone in the sports world thinks his offense is vanilla. Which is why they will open up the gates of hell this Sunday with some new stuff. Just my guess. You will see Wilson take more shots and you will see our receivers step up.

One question: I think the guy with the best hands on the team is MIller, with Kearse Baldwin Tate coming in a close 2nd. Why did we wait until the 4th Q last game to throw him the ball? As another poster said, no screens, few read options. Some but not many. Again Saints game we give them a bit of a pass due to weather.

I don't know guys, I have a sneaky suspicion that PC and Bevell wants the NIners to exactly scheme for run run pass, because come Sunday there will be other options for them to take advantage of and catch the Niners iffy secondary sleeping. Or PC could just continue to do what they have been doing and drive some fans on this forum crazy, yet continue to "win baby win".

No way we lose to SFO in our house. NO WAY. Sorry for the novel.

[Eaglehawk]

You are alright Hawkwow. No offense taken. "that I don't have on ignore". Now that is hilarious!!!!! Good for you! I didn't know we had that feature.

I think we are going to see a tremendous performance from our team this Sunday bro. So do the 9er fans. Today the Mrs and I doubled up on our beach walks...why? Well, the 2013 season is making me fat, that's one reason, the other is our beautiful beaches are littered, polluted with 9er fans. I wear my Hawk hat and I am amazed by the respect I receive. It almost seems like they are trying to rob me of this moment, LOL. I go out of my way, to get in their way, and they just do not want to engage. The best I can get is "yeah, well we'll see on Sunday"...actually, just minutes ago, I got a "yeah, well we'll see on Saturday". WTH? I didn't correct him. ; )

BTW...lot's of "GO HAWKS", too. This is our time, Eagle my man.

Wow, (now I know why you are HawkWOW), sounds like another bandwagoner. Saturday eh? You should have told him: "Actually the game has been flexed to Monday, don't even bother looking at your TV till then..." . AHAHAHA.
Agreed, this IS our time. We are in OUR HOUSE. And the beauty is that over the last two years we have rarely lost at home. I pity their fans when we are through with them.

[monkey]

Two quick things.
We haven't "suddenly gone conservative"...we've been conservative all along.

It was asked, "When did Wilson's inaccurate throws start?" Huh?!? When did that wind that was ripping across Century Link start? I'm not a weatherman, but maybe Drew Brees knows. His throws were inaccurate as all heck, maybe he noticed when the wind started.
Look, every QB throws inaccurate passes at times. Wilson throws fewer passes by design so you guys notice the inaccurate ones more. BUT, he is NOT throwing MORE inaccurate passes than usual, or more on average than other QB's, (with the exception of that windy game, where Brees too was throwing horribly off target wounded ducks, at least two of which should have been picked off).

I don't quite understand what you guys are all worried about. This conservative approach is NOT new. All year long Pete has used his timeouts in such a way, that lets you and everyone else know, he trusts the defense, and he wants the defense on the field with time running out, because he wants to play ultra conservative, and make sure no turnovers can possibly happen. Look at the Rams game in St. Louis, and the way Pete left his timeouts in his pocket with time ticking off. Actually he's done that all year long.
If you can't remember that, ask Riverdog if that's true, Riv and I have both been TICKED off at Pete's use of timeouts, because he's not giving Wilson and that offense a chance to win games at the end.
But that's just his philosophy. I don't like it one little bit myself, I disagree completely with Pete on that. I think you should ALWAYS do whatever you can to give Wilson one last shot. Pete disagrees obviously, he's shown time and time again that he wants the defense on the field as time ticks down.
It doesn't get more conservative than that!! But it's who we've been all along.
The offense will be what it is, and what that means is, Wilson won't get to throw a lot, and the offense will often look out of synch, as it has at times at various times throughout this season. Get used to it, it's not Wilson's fault, it's the fault of the philosophy, and it's NOT going to change.