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by **c_hawkbob** » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:25 pm

Lynch is inactive for the 49ers ... http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... article%5D

by **EmeraldBullet** » Sun Nov 22, 2015 1:30 pm

Lets hope Rawls has a career day. I'm excited to see more of what he can do.

by **burrrton** » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:03 pm

EmeraldBullet wrote:Lets hope Rawls has a career day. I'm excited to see more of what he can do.

Done.

by **Hawktawk** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:37 am

Who is going to break it to the beast? Honestly how do you yank this kid out of the lineup? Hes one of the most electrifying backs Ive seen in the uniform and clearly has an extra gear Lynch doesn't have. Competition right?

The kid needs way more touches.

by **RiverDog** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:38 am

Except for the intangibles that Lynch brings in terms of inspiring our entire team with his running, we aren't missing a darn thing with Rawls. He is without a doubt the best UFA find, at least on the offensive side of the ball, since Pete took over, perhaps one of the best in franchise history to this point in his career.

by **savvyman** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 6:51 am

https://twitter.com/gbellseattle/status/668604634370445312

That's a hellofa torch for Rawls to carry.

by **c_hawkbob** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:35 am

"Sports hernia" can be an abdominal hernia as well as a traditional groin area hernia, and obviously that looks much more likely in this case. I've had an abdominal hernia that required surgery and I can absolutely see that being the case with Marshawn.

He may well be done.

by **Hawktawk** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:12 am

I cant imagine trying to run the way beast does with a hernia. He would be done for this year for sure.
It was funny the way he was slapping Rawls on the helmet all day though. If beast is out the job looks to be in good hands.

by **Hawk Sista** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:17 am

Rawls has certainly looked the part - MUCH more than turbo or Michael ever did. That said, if the Beast is done, let's all bow our heads and thank the man for giving everything he had on the field. One of my faves to ever suit up in the blue and green.

by **Hawktawk** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 9:52 am

Hawk Sista wrote:Rawls has certainly looked the part - MUCH more than turbo or Michael ever did. That said, if the Beast is done, let's all bow our heads and thank the man for giving everything he had on the field. One of my faves to ever suit up in the blue and green.

Hear Hear on of the all time Hawks

by **Oly** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 1:47 pm

Hawk Sista wrote:Rawls has certainly looked the part - MUCH more than turbo or Michael ever did. That said, if the Beast is done, let's all bow our heads and thank the man for giving everything he had on the field. One of my faves to ever suit up in the blue and green.

As much as I love Beast Mode for, well, going Beast Mode, I might like him even more for supporting the guy who is trying to take his job. He's been doing it his whole career, starting with faking minor injuries to give Forsett carries at Cal to supporting Rawls 110%. As great of a runner as Lynch is, he's a better person. If he's got your back, HE'S GOT YOUR BACK.

by **EmeraldBullet** » Mon Nov 23, 2015 10:31 pm

Hawktawk wrote:I cant imagine trying to run the way beast does with a hernia. He would be done for this year for sure.
It was funny the way he was slapping Rawls on the helmet all day though. If beast is out the job looks to be in good hands.

Playing the way he does with a hernia would be extremely dangerous. Hernias aren't always easily repaired either, a lot can become complicated. I think he may be done career wise. Quite a run though.

by **RiverDog** » Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:07 pm

Hawk Sista wrote:Rawls has certainly looked the part - MUCH more than turbo or Michael ever did. That said, if the Beast is done, let's all bow our heads and thank the man for giving everything he had on the field. One of my faves to ever suit up in the blue and green.

Personality wise, he doesn't hold a candle to our three HOF'ers, so he'll never be one of my top 3 or 4 favorites, but I do very much appreciate his contributions here. We wouldn't have not gone to two SB's without him. Without question, he's been the heart and soul of our team.

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:12 am

According to Ian Rapoport, Lynch will be having surgery for a sports hernia on Wednesday morning and is expected to be out a month or so.

by **RiverDog** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:22 am

NorthHawk wrote:According to Ian Rapoport, Lynch will be having surgery for a sports hernia on Wednesday morning and is expected to be out a month or so.

Is it possible that we've seen the last of Beast Mode?

by **Hawktawk** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:05 am

RiverDog wrote:
Is it possible that we've seen the last of Beast Mode?

I think really we saw the last of true Beast Mode a while back. He's missed 3 games with injury and is posting pretty pedestrian numbers this season. 3.8 ypc and a little over 50 ypg. He's only cracked 100 yds. once all year while his replacement has 3 over 100 and has nearly as many rushing yards in 2 starts and one game of extended relief duty.

For all the grousing about Wilson and Ciara Beasts lack of production and dependability has been as big a factor in the stale offense. It was demonstrated last Sunday that our offense functions much better when the traditional running game is working well and it functions basically flawlessly when the run game is excellent.

The short term future of Beast depends a lot on Rawls and the Hawks record in 4 to 6 weeks. If Rawls is anything like he's been Lynch is done here as a starter, yes. And he would almost certainly be released at seasons end.
It will be really interesting to see how TR does when teams get some film on him and make their adjustments. Pittsburgh's run D is very stout so it will be an immediate test.

Should Seattle make the postseason a rested and healthy Beast Mode would be a heck of a weapon.

by **Seahawks4Ever** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:00 am

Yes, it is possible we have seen the last Beast-Mode run, at least in a Seahawk uniform. I wish now more than ever he would have been allowed to score the winning TD in the Super Bowl. That would have been a great way to remember him. I hate that he is going out with a wimper.

But, he did it to himself, he insisted he have all of that money up front and now with the emergence of Rawls there is no reason to pay Lynch a huge amount of money next season.

He and his agent though will now feel totally justified and point to how fast the welcome mat can be yanked out from under a player, especially a well paid RB.

But, it may not have turned out this way(should it indeed be Marshawn's last hurrah) I don't believe we would have thrown Lynch onto the scrap heap should he had had one down year because of a young and inexperienced O-Line and an unfortunate injury. But, like I said, Lynch and his agent has given our F/O no wiggle room, they cannot pay a RB who is about to be 30 a whole lotta money. Lynch made his bed, now he must sleep in it.

Now, where does Lynch go from here? Does he retire? Or, does he try to catch on with the Raiders or even 49ners. ? He could give them quite a home town discount, couldn't he?

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:32 pm

Apparently his surgery was successful and he might be back in late December.
I hope he gets a game at home before the decisions on him have to be made.
I think he and his agent realized that the last year of his contract could become an issue, so perhaps with the changes to his contract that they did make, they expect to get less next year.
I'm hoping it's all part of a larger plan, but it just might have been a tactic to ensure he got as much as he could early so he will probably be set adrift.
If he is cut, I expect a lot of teams to offer contracts even though he'll be past 30 and have a lot of carries.
Some team will need a RB that can provide a lift to an Offense by making one of his Beast Mode type runs, even if it's in spot duty.
That is something that can't be reproduced by any RB and is the intangible that separates him from most others.
I see it as a team that thinks they just need that extra push for a Super Bowl run that would try to sign him.
But I hope he can work out a deal to stay here.

by **savvyman** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 1:55 pm

Marshawn Lynch is my all time favorite Seahawk player and I would imagine he will always remain my all time favorite Seahawk player.

No other Seahawk player has sacrificed so much physically and played with such courage than Marshawn Lynch.

No other Seahawk Player gave more on every single play than Marshawn Lynch.

I hope Marshawn gets a chance to have one more turn - at least - at a playoff run with us.

by **savvyman** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:06 pm

Hawktawk wrote:
For all the grousing about Wilson and Ciara Beasts lack of production and dependability has been as big a factor in the stale offense. It was demonstrated last Sunday that our offense functions much better when the traditional running game is working well and it functions basically flawlessly when the run game is excellent.

Russell Wilson - more than any other player - has created the most disruption to the team unity than anyone else this year. As I forecast way back in the summer - his behavior in his greedapolooza contract negotiations would have an effect on the locker room and might cause him to lose the players respect. Of course some know nothings challenged me about this. Recent Comments made by "Sources", Darrell Bevell and even Pete Carroll confirms this has occurred. He has been a major disappointment since the next to the last play of the Superbowl.

by **Hawk Sista** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:21 pm

I disagree on Marshawn's personality. He's his own breed and there are countless tales of him working to make lives better for others. He's stubborn w/ the media. Ok. Where he co
Ed from, when you're diss'd - you're done.

Charities, hand delivering a lost wallet, giving $500 bucks to a kid and encouraging him. That's all I need from him.

by **Uppercut** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:34 pm

A hernia is not a biggy but puts you back 4-6 weeks...maybe in time for playoffs if that occurs but I could see him here in 2016 maybe in a more dual role. Maybe he will get traded and run out his career for a few games as a Raider just for the hometown. But he will always be #1 here.

by **politicalfootball** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:58 pm

We just might have to face it the carrier of an NFL RB does not last very long and Lynch has had a great one here hope he sticks around and is back to his old self but if not we have Rauls.

by **RiverDog** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:09 pm

Uppercut wrote:A hernia is not a biggy but puts you back 4-6 weeks...maybe in time for playoffs if that occurs but I could see him here in 2016 maybe in a more dual role. Maybe he will get traded and run out his career for a few games as a Raider just for the hometown. But he will always be #1 here.

There's lots of different types of hernias. I had one repaired 3 years ago, and I was moving around pretty well after a week, could have done pretty much anything after a month. I would not be at all surprised if Lynch were back in late December in time for the playoffs...IF we make the playoffs.

The Raiders might be in LA next season, so that may take away some of Beast's motivation to return home for a lap around the track. My guess is that if he doesn't play for us that he'll retire.

by **mykc14** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:10 pm

savvyman wrote:
Russell Wilson - more than any other player - has created the most disruption to the team unity than anyone else this year. As I forecast way back in the summer - his behavior in his greedapolooza contract negotiations would have an effect on the locker room and might cause him to lose the players respect. Of course some know nothings challenged me about this. Recent Comments made by "Sources", Darrell Bevell and even Pete Carroll confirms this has occurred. He has been a major disappointment since the next to the last play of the Superbowl.

Sorry savy you are off on this one, IMO. Any player that allowed his contract negotiations to be a distraction need to seriously look in the mirror. All of the players on that team understand this is a business and RW did nothing wrong on his negotiations. He got what he could. He didn't miss time, didn't distract the team by allowing the negotiations to go into the season, didn't hold the team or his teammates hostage, or anything like that. If any player on the team caused an issue in the locker room it should have been kam, it certainly cost them in the W/L column.

by **HumanCockroach** » Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:03 pm

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I think Lynch is still averaging over 4+ yards a carry, despite first contact on average a yard and a half behind the line of scrimmage, and that with the injuries, I'm not saying he hasn't lost a step, but to me it seems incredibly early too profess an enormous dropoff, and point to him for all the offenses woes.

Team game, first it was all the lines fault, now it's Lynch? Never Wilson though, right? ( and if not then then Bevel, or the receivers) Wilson has not played well as a whole the entire season( minus the last Niners game) he may not hold all the responsibility but he holds his share, as much as any of the aforementioned. Good Lord.

by **RiverDog** » Thu Nov 26, 2015 7:07 am

HumanCockroach wrote:Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I think Lynch is still averaging over 4+ yards a carry, despite first contact on average a yard and a half behind the line of scrimmage, and that with the injuries, I'm not saying he hasn't lost a step, but to me it seems incredibly early too profess an enormous dropoff, and point to him for all the offenses woes.

Team game, first it was all the lines fault, now it's Lynch? Never Wilson though, right? ( and if not then then Bevel, or the receivers) Wilson has not played well as a whole the entire season( minus the last Niners game) he may not hold all the responsibility but he holds his share, as much as any of the aforementioned. Good Lord.

Just my opinion, but one of the reasons I'm pessimistic about Lynch returning to his former self is that it's getting awfully close to the time when running back's carriages turn into pumpkins. He'll turn 30 this spring.

Agreed about Russell. He's not the sole reason for our troubles, but he bears as much of the blame as any other individual on our team, player or coach. Last Sunday was a lot better effort not only from him but from a lot of other Hawks as well, but we have to keep it in proper perspective as it was a home game against another last place team, which seems to be the only teams that we can beat.

by **NorthHawk** » Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:35 am

We'll see how Rawls does this week.
He was a limited participant in practice Wednesday because of a knee issue.
After letting go of Turbin and Michael, it seems we might be a little thin at RB now if Rawls is in fact dinged enough to impact his performance.

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/seat ... ons-112515

by **savvyman** » Thu Nov 26, 2015 10:13 am

Awesome - Can't keep a good Beast Down:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/nfl/seattle-seahawks/article46486735.html

Happy Thanksgiving (or should I say "Black Friday"?) Everyone!

by **HumanCockroach** » Thu Nov 26, 2015 4:54 pm

Fair enough RD, the response was to yet another scape goat assertion, not what he will do moving forward. That said there certainly are exceptions to the rule, and if I were a betting man I wouldn't bet against him being just that.

by **RiverDog** » Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:04 pm

HumanCockroach wrote:Fair enough RD, the response was to yet another scape goat assertion, not what he will do moving forward. That said there certainly are exceptions to the rule, and if I were a betting man I wouldn't bet against him being just that.

People take my critical remarks of Russell Wilson as a vote of no confidence. Some call me a 'hater.' Nothing could be further from the truth. Despite all I've said, all of the Anthony arguments, I still think Russell is one of if not the best young quarterbacks in the league and without a doubt the best quarterback for our particular team. Am I disappointed? Hell, ya, I'm disappointed. I've seen what he can do, so who wouldn't be disappointed. But I still haven't lost my faith in him.

by **Hawktawk** » Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:43 pm

[quote="savvyman"

Russell Wilson - more than any other player - has created the most disruption to the team unity than anyone else this year. As I forecast way back in the summer - his behavior in his greedapolooza contract negotiations would have an effect on the locker room and might cause him to lose the players respect. Of course some know nothings challenged me about this. Recent Comments made by "Sources", Darrell Bevell and even Pete Carroll confirms this has occurred. He has been a major disappointment since the next to the last play of the Superbowl.[/quote]

Greedapalooza? Who was that?. Lynch holding out for money twice when he was the first guy to get superstar money? Cam Bam wanting to rip up a deal in its second year and holding out all of training camp plus two losing ballgames?
Or is it Russ who was eligible to renegotiate after he won a Superbowl with a MVP worthy performance for 500 grand while Lynch had 37 yards in SB 48 and about 25 were on one carry? Wilson's contract negotiations were totally upfront, there was no threat of a holdout, just a deadline for negotiating. I'm really glad we have him when you look at some of the losers around the league. we would never win a game behind this line with a lot of guys.

You are a real hater aren't you?To say Russ is the biggest disruption you sound delusional. I'm not sure what your chub is about Russell Wilson but you are really starting to sound foolish.

by **HumanCockroach** » Thu Nov 26, 2015 9:54 pm

At least get it right. Lynch had a mini hold out before last season. That's it. Period.

Chancellor, tried after year three, not two ( something you have been corrected on multiple times).

And Wilson could NOT renegotiate after 48, period. Because of the salary slotting system. Even IF he wanted to, he could NOT hold out, our at least it would have been pointless as Seattle couldn't talk to him even casually no matter what.

I don't agree with the assertion that Wilson was "greedy", but you can skip just making up whatever you feel like. Nothing you posted is true.

Wilson certainly embraced his celebrity status, whether that is a reason for his mediocre play or not I have no idea,just know what you posted is not true.

by **NorthHawk** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 1:11 pm

Savvyman has really soured on Wilson, it would seem.
If we had a solid OL and run game from the start of the year, this wouldn't be a discussion.
No one player can make up for the shortcomings of 5 others, but he can try to do more than he should which causes more problems.

by **HumanCockroach** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 3:48 pm

That is a circular argument. For instance one could flip it easily to a " if Wilson threw the ball quicker, or made faster reads, or did not leave a clean pocket. The run game and line could perform at a higher level" it's a team game, success isn't always easy to pin point, Wilson hasn't played well numerous times, that is just a fact, the line hasn't played well, that is just a fact, and truth be told, the running game hasn't digressed, and still leads the league. That is simply the fact( and that is with less yardage from Wilson. If anything it's improved from last season, which should illustrate clearly where the issues reside).

Wilson carries his share of blame, as does the line, not so much the backs.

Why people need a "single" culprit, I have no idea, maybe they didn't play, or maybe it's just "easier" our maybe it's to build in excuses for their favorite player. I have zero idea, what I DO know, having witnessed first hand the play, is in the two home losses, Wilson NOT the line holds more responsibility for the offenses struggles. He might have made the WORST throw I have ever had the misfortune of seeing in the Cards game ( though Mirers " oh I can't throw it through the LB" throw was worse, it wasn't by much.).

In the Carolina game, he left so much on the field I can't find the words to describe it. That isn't the backs or the line or the receivers or the OC. That falls firmly and squarely on number 3's shoulders. He had owned it, which makes me ecstatic, QBs who don't aren't long for this league, just unfortunate that some can't follow HIS lead. When he fails he looks at it as an opportunity, when a fan points it out, they have their "fanhood" questioned, backed by excuses about some scapegoat or other...

by **NorthHawk** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:07 pm

It's funny that we are leading the league in rushing - I'm not looking it up to verify, but in a few of our losses, we threw more than ran the ball. That's not indicative of a good running team. In the Red Zone we have been terrible both running and passing, and when it came down to the 4th quarter, we couldn't move the ball when needed to protect a lead in more than a few games. That all falls on the OL.
Make no mistake, the success or failure of the Offense is dependent on how well the OL performs regardless of QB play, and even though they are getting better, they were terrible in the first part of the year. If they were even average, this discussion probably wouldn't happen.
We'll see how they do against Pittsburgh tomorrow and we better hope the OL really has its act together if we hope to win.

by **HumanCockroach** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:45 pm

That statement isn't based in truth, otherwise would be discussing how incredible Weedon and Cassell were. Or we could simply cut Wilson, sign lineman and start Tarvaris.

Here's the top rushing teams.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/r ... s-per-game

by **Hawktawk** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:30 am

HumanCockroach wrote:At least get it right. Lynch had a mini hold out before last season. That's it. Period.

Chancellor, tried after year three, not two ( something you have been corrected on multiple times).

And Wilson could NOT renegotiate after 48, period. Because of the salary slotting system. Even IF he wanted to, he could NOT hold out, our at least it would have been pointless as Seattle couldn't talk to him even casually no matter what.

I don't agree with the assertion that Wilson was "greedy", but you can skip just making up whatever you feel like. Nothing you posted is true.

Wilson certainly embraced his celebrity status, whether that is a reason for his mediocre play or not I have no idea,just know what you posted is not true.

Theres a big difference between being incorrect about something and making stuff up. I dont ever intentionally post something I know isn't correct.Whats the point? too many knowledgeable people proofreading in here.

IIll accept being wrong about the nature of the holdouts but its a red herring. They were holdouts nonetheless. Kams was far more devastating. He hasn't exactly lit the world on fire either this season either.

I didn't complete my thought on Wilson and you misunderstood what I meant to say. I'm aware of the fact he could not renegotiate until his 4th season. What i meant to say is that he went to 3 playoff runs, won a SB and went to two in a row for well under a million per season.That was the hometown discount He waited his turn and was completely upfront in his negotiation. He publicly stated he would play for 1.5 million if needed. There was no suggestion of a holdout, simply a timeline for negotiating.

I can see hes left some plays out on the field along with everybody else. Beast and Sherm are plastered all over TV doing commercials, neither was having their best year and I dont hear much about that from the coaches or press.
I understand it comes with the territory when you are the QB and got paid. But still some of the ragging on Russell is over the top. He earned his money when you consider what he has already done for the Seahawks brand and the fan base in 3.5 seasons.

Not to mention that 84% completion rate in the last game with 3 TD's tells me hes about to shut up some mouths when he goes on his December run.

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