Man I even thought this guy was a little Harsh on Kaep

[kalibane]

But it was published by a pundit so it must be true right?

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/08/18/nfl- ... isco-49ers

I think the guy really made him seem dumber (for lack of a better word) than he really is but this column does really highlight some of his issues we've discussed.

[obiken]

Yeah kind of but when your the QB you take the heat and the glory on good and bad teams, goes with the territory.

[RiverDog]

You gotta think that Chip Kelly will be hovering like a vulture if the Niners tank the season and Kaep doesn't play well.

[monkey]

I think the guy really made him seem dumber (for lack of a better word) than he really is but this column does really highlight some of his issues we've discussed.

Actually, I think this article NAILED IT.
I'd call that a bulls-eye. Not sure I've ever read a more completely accurate article about him.

[Hawktawk]

Its a great article. Kap is like a wild deer. He spooks and takes off. Sometimes it works but other times he comes home strapped to the brush guard. But its who he is.....

[Zorn76]

Good read.

Kaep's a freakish athlete, but should be much further along in his progressions.
He works hard, but doesn't play smart often enough.

Running helped relax him a couple of seasons ago, and forcing him to be a pocket passer highlighted his flaws.
Needs to develop a thicker skin and shut down his twitter account. Getting into a war of words here and there with random people on social media? Ridiculous.

Tough timing for it to be a make or break year for him (per the disaster offseason), but I think that's more or less what he's looking at.

Until proven otherwise, the 49ers won't have the D to create shorter field for offense. That means longer drives and more for CK to shoulder. They are still a scrappy team, but I think Vegas line has it pegged pretty close that this is a 7 win type year for them. Too many personnel losses to overcome, combined with a rookie HC and an unproven OC.

[Vegaseahawk]

Well written, accurate piece. Imo, not too harsh on Kaep, but rather the situation that the 49'ers are in as a whole & how his lack of progress has affected his confidence & the coaches plans on how to more effectively utilize his lack of dimension. Couldn't happen to a better guy & his team. Kiss my bicep, Colon Krapernick

[Futureite]

And yet Russell Wilson averages more ints per game than Kap, despite the two near the bottom of the league in attempts each yr.

And Russell Wilson goes "Deer in headlights" fumbling a handoff at the end of the 2013 NFCCG, throwing 4 ints in the 2014 NFCCG, and endinf the SB with an int.

And Russell Wilson ran for almost 200 more yds than Kap last yr.

Seems like every single criticism some of you have laid out applies to your QB, albeit prob to a slightly lesser degree.

I've said for a LONG time that Carroll kept the O very basic for Wilson and played to his strengths, while JH ran a more complicated system which most times took 20+ seconds just to call the play.

So, we'll see what Kap does in a system that runs at a normal NFL tempo. It's just funny to me as "terrible" as our guy supposedly is, your guy threw a whopping one more TD and 3 less ints. And even after that postseason you guys are 110% in on the idea that they are just worlds apart.

Lol we'll see in 2015!

[burrrton]

[edit- I see Future has switched to arguing about career stats]

Future, you're as scattered as buckshot trying to figure out what you want to argue about.

I've said for a LONG time that Carroll kept the O very basic for Wilson and played to his strengths, while JH ran a more complicated system which most times took 20+ seconds just to call the play.

If PC dumbed down the offense for RW, why has RW had more attempts than Kaep? They've thrown roughly the same number of attempts per game, even if you throw out 2011 where Kaep was essentially a running back taking the snap.

And yet Russell Wilson averages more ints per game than Kap, despite the two near the bottom of the league in attempts each yr.

Yes, when you have 5 attempts in 3 games played in 2011 (and manage to not get one picked off), it helps your average. You know who has a better INT/game average than both of them? Marshawn Lynch.

Congratulations.

[edit2]

Future, when was the last time you made a solid argument about something either for your team or against SEA? I'm not a guy who thinks Kaep is without redeeming qualities, but you seem to be just about the worst at making the case for the guy.

Are you really that bad at debate, or are you just so consumed with hatred for RW and Sherm that it suppresses any ability you otherwise possess to argue effectively?

[Hawktown]

Are you really that bad at debate, or are you just so consumed with hatred for RW and Sherm that it suppresses any ability you otherwise possess to argue effectively?[

The guy is just a complete moron and it would be nice if he would GO THE F AWAY! I can only block the troll but unfortunately his posts still keep popping up???

[Futureite]

Burrton;

That argument was not pro 49er and anti Hawk. I just pointed out the obvious similarities between the 2 QBs and the fact that every anti Kaep argument I've heard or read from Hawk fans obviously applies to RW. I rated RW around 10-12, Kap around 15. That's FAR more accurare than what I read here, which is that RW is Montana and Kaep cannot read an NFL D.

Carroll is not keeping the O simple because RW is "dumb". He's simply playing to his strengths, which are obviously moving/running, deep ball accuracy and improvising.

Also, our supposedly crumbling D with that #53 guy who won't recover 100% looks pretty damn good with everyone on the field.

[kalibane]

These posts are getting just down right sad. Responding to them just makes me feel like a bully now.

[burrrton]

Also, our supposedly crumbling D with that #53 guy who won't recover 100% looks pretty damn good with everyone on the field.

*facepalm*

Like I said- scattered. Your level of focus and coherence makes a meth-head look like Garry Kasparov.

Get lost- I can't waste my time with you anymore.

[Futureite]

These posts are getting just down right sad. Responding to them just makes me feel like a bully now.

Bowman sure looks done, doesn't he? LOL! Like I said, you took the most negative position on every question mark regarding our team. Just try this:

"Maybe I was wrong". You can even qualify it by sticking to your position that Dockett, Bethea etc cannot or will not produce.

Try it: "Maybe I was wrong". It won't make you less of a man.

[Futureite]

Burrton;

Spoken like a man with no true counter point! I appreciate the concession. It always makes me feel good when I beat people, in anything. Debate, grammar competition, game of one on one B-Ball - but especially when it comes to intellectual competition of any sort. The most amusing part is the fact that you and wonder boy actually feel like you've won with this complete crap that you throw out here.

I respect Russell Wilson as a QB and as an individual. A lot more than I respect Richard Sherman in both regards. But you are blinded by your silver and blue glasses with this guy. There is no QB on earth who's ever ran for 800+ yds and been anything other than an average pocket passer. And I am speaking of guys with both incredible physical skills (Cunningham, Vick) and the mental capacity to digest a complex playbook and manipulate a very good D plan (Steve Young). Young didn't become Young until he stopped bolting the pocket. He was a mediocore pocket passer prior to that. Even Jeff Garcia learned that lesson and went on to have a string of very successful pro bowl years after he quit bolting the pocket, and in at least one of which he topped 30 TD passes.

You can point to whatever metric you like, but RW is never going to be the QB you want him to be until Pete Carroll shelves the idea that Wilson is a dual threat QB. And considering your D and run game, that is not going to happen anytime soon. He's already seen his QB win a SB by simply taking care of the ball, throwing a little over 200 yds and 1 TD total in 2 playoff games. Why would he deviate from the system? That would be pure foolishness.

The bottom line is, Kap and Wilson are very similar. For all the talk about Kap's "bad decisions" (which I agree on, actually) I have always contended that Russell Wilson hadn't made the some mistakes because he had never been put in the position where he could make them. Well, you saw what happened in the NFCCG and the SB when he was put in that position. He did the same things Kap has. I posted till I was blue in the face here how Wilson made mistakes in the 2013 NFCCG as well which got masked by how great your D and ST performed. You guys ignored that, painted our guy as a choker, and passed it all off as if RW "would have" won in Kap's shoes, with his RB gaining 32 YDs and his STs giving up a 70+ yd kick return in our stadium. BULLSHIT he'd have won. The SB and last year's NFCCG proved without a shadow of a doubt he wouldn't have.

They are similar - close in production and style of play - but I'd not expect the homer of all homers to see or understand that.

[kalibane]

These posts are getting just down right sad. Responding to them just makes me feel like a bully now.

Exhibit A: where someone takes one series of downs in a preseason game and uses it to proclaim victory on a point essentially made up in his mind.

God this is sad.

[Futureite]

Kalibane;

Honestly, despite the fact that you're a complete D, you are an intelligent guy. As you've noted the "differences" between you and I many times, this is in fact one of them: I can separate truth from emotion. And in reality, if I met you we'd probably get along just fine.

What you should take away from Bowman's performance is the lateral movement, shedding of blockers and instinct. That does not mean he is "back". What it means is what I posted: The skills which he possessed prior to the injury are clearly still in tact. And this provides a good deal of substantiation of reports which lauded his lateral movement and performance in OTAs and camp. There is far more evidence to suggest that he'll be the player I predicted than your view, which was slanted towards the negative on Bowman and every other D player.

That last sentence is exactly what I you and I debated. Nothing more. We have plenty of players on D. This D could be oppressive for opposing Os.

[kalibane]

No we were debating the overall outlook for the 49ers. One of the factors was that Bowman was a question mark. Now if you're having problems deciphering that, a question mark is not a prediction, it means just means it could go either way, considering the time it was taking him to recover.

You assuming that he was going to be 100% was just that, an assumption based on zero evidence. He had not been on a football field to demonstrate any of his skills. So...

1. This doesn't mean I was wrong about anything. In fact on this particular point, I couldn't be wrong or right because no prediction was made. So the fact that you are trying prance around the forum screaming "I told you so" is completely ridiculous.

2. It was 3 snaps in a preseason game. THREE SNAPS. I'm not rooting for Bowman to be bad. I would like him to get all the way back. But when your conclusive evidence of being correct on a point we were never debating to begin with (except in your mind) is only three snaps, it shows just how badly you want to find some kind of validation. To draw a comparison, despite how good Tyler Lockett has looked in his more than three snaps, you don't see anyone running around this forum proclaiming him to be the next Devin Hester. Why? Because it is a hopeful sign but the sample size is way to small to draw a conclusion.

This all goes to what Burrton was saying. You are all over the place. Your arguments are not well constructed. They are shallow. They are not grounded in logic and they smack of desperation and bias. And your defense mechanism is to just pull the bias card, almost like you're the cheating husband who accuses their wife of cheating all time either to distract her from his cheating or because he assumes she behaves the same way he does. Your Russell Wilson arguments for instance are so ridiculous they aren't worth replying to. At one point in time you actually criticized Wilson's deep ball, now you're saying Pete Carroll built the offense around his deep ball accuracy? You really just make it all up as you go along.

When I said it was sad... I meant it. You are a grown man who has lost all semblance of sanity, perspective and decorum over a football rivalry with people you have never met and that you couldn't handle being on the wrong end of for the past couple of years.

[Futureite]

No we were debating the overall outlook for the 49ers. One of the factors was that Bowman was a question mark. Now if you're having problems deciphering that, a question mark is not a prediction, it means just means it could go either way, considering the time it was taking him to recover.

You assuming that he was going to be 100% was just that, an assumption based on zero evidence. He had not been on a football field to demonstrate any of his skills. So...

1. This doesn't mean I was wrong about anything. In fact on this particular point, I couldn't be wrong or right because no prediction was made. So the fact that you are trying prance around the forum screaming "I told you so" is completely ridiculous.

2. It was 3 snaps in a preseason game. THREE SNAPS. I'm not rooting for Bowman to be bad. I would like him to get all the way back. But when your conclusive evidence of being correct on a point we were never debating to begin with (except in your mind) is only three snaps, it shows just how badly you want to find some kind of validation. To draw a comparison, despite how good Tyler Lockett has looked in his more than three snaps, you don't see anyone running around this forum proclaiming him to be the next Devin Hester. Why? Because it is a hopeful sign but the sample size is way to small to draw a conclusion.

This all goes to what Burrton was saying. You are all over the place. Your arguments are not well constructed. They are shallow. They are not grounded in logic and they smack of desperation and bias. And your defense mechanism is to just pull the bias card, almost like you're the cheating husband who accuses their wife of cheating all time either to distract her from his cheating or because he assumes she behaves the same way he does. Your Russell Wilson arguments for instance are so ridiculous they aren't worth replying to. At one point in time you actually criticized Wilson's deep ball, now you're saying Pete Carroll built the offense around his deep ball accuracy? You really just make it all up as you go along.

When I said it was sad... I meant it. You are a grown man who has lost all semblance of sanity, perspective and decorum over a football rivalry with people you have never met and that you couldn't handle being on the wrong end of for the past couple of years.

What is sad is your reaching with personal attacks. I'm telling you with 100% honesty and certainty that I've whooped ass in arguments with factual citing and legal analysis 100 times as complex as this, and my record is outstanding. You telling me I am scattered or "all over the place" is a complete joke. So have at it King of the Net and football blogs, wear your crown proudly.

This is the problem arguing with a hack. If I had to, I could pull up page after page where I lauded Wilson's deep ball accuracy. If this argument mattered at all, you'd look like a complete jackass trying to use a factual innacuracy against me. RW's deep ball accuracy is actualy a material component of my argument which holds that his game is built off of (1) Play action and deep ball accuracy (how many times have I stated that??) and (2) his athleticism/improvization. I could not have stated this more clearly over and over again here.

You actually typed that, read it and posted it. And let's be clear about what we are arguing about: I stated our D will be good based upon returning talent absent last yr. You stated our D will be bad based upon talent that exited. So, don't back away from your position now.

I never claimed or insinuted Bowman was back to 100%. What I did state was the number of proven and talented players we have on our roster, which you categorically disqualified for one reason or another - including Bowman. If you cannot correctly quote me, don't do it at all. You even disqualified a healthy Bethea by stating he had a "career yr last yr". Every single bit of "analysis" you posted was fluff and personal opinion slanted 100% towards the most negative outcome possible.

The guy with the nonstop personal attacks brings up site decorum. Unbelievable.

[kalibane]