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by **NorthHawk** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:49 am

No need to trade him. He'll be back when the lost money hits. Something like $270,000 per week is pretty hard to compensate for.
What would be an issue is he won't be in game shape if he comes back part way through the year so he could get hurt again.
If he sits a year, it's a year for him to completely heal and his contract would continue where it left off.

He's not a locker room cancer. Get past that concept.
He's one of the best leaders on this team and is far from being a chronic malcontent.
If he was a cancer, he would be in camp, whining and bad mouthing the mgmt to every player.
What he's doing is actually the best thing for the team given this type of situation as the alternative is much worse.

by **Hawktown** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:52 am

Seems to me that getting his but in camp and playing for what he signed is the best situation for his team. Maybe I'm wrong??? I don't think so.

by **savvyman** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 3:51 pm

savvyman wrote:Kam needs to get his rear end into camp now.

Fans need to support our Front Office position on these matters as long as Pete & John are running the team - and quit second guessing John & Pete as so many - Anthony etc. - did during the never-ending Russell Wilson greedapolooza show.

Two weeks ago i said the above - On Monday Seahawks FO need to tell Kam that he has until Wednesday to report to camp. If Kam fails to report by Wednesday then the FO need to immediately begin fining him the maximum amount allowable under the contractual terms.

by **burrrton** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 4:06 pm

I really don't get this.

Does Kam think the Hawks have some magic cap they can increase at will to give everyone whatever they want? Or does he think they should just cut guys like Kearse and Mebane loose because, dmnit, he wishes the market would have been different when he signed his contract?

SO frustrating.

by **curmudgeon** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 4:38 pm

Unfortunately, this could end up with Kam heading home in a trade with DC.........

by **savvyman** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 6:04 pm

Isn't the only feasible way we could sign Mathis (who is in town for a physical) is to free up money for a Mathis contract by trading Chancellor for a first round draft pick (not a player because we would have to pay for that player)?

by **obiken** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 6:07 pm

Its going to end with Kam coming back after missing 5 or 6 games and being pizzed off at the Hawks. Too bad. IF the FO had the money they would pay him. They paid him 2 years ago he signed it he he's stuck with it. Lynch was NOT a precedent, there was a real fear that ML would just retire. There are only so many cap dollars to go around, they are not going to trade him, or negotiate under the gun. I am usually pro labor, but if they have a problem with contracts that are not guaranteed they need to get with the NLPA and change the CBA.

by **obiken** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 6:10 pm

savvyman wrote:Isn't the only feasible way we could sign Mathis (who is in town for a physical) is to free up money for a Mathis contract by trading Chancellor for a first round draft pick (not a player because we would have to pay for that player)?

So would rather Wing it without Kam and have Mathis or not have Mathis and hope for Kam?? Tough choice but I would have Kam.

by **burrrton** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:40 pm

Kam > Mathis.

We can get by with a mediocre o-line. We don't know we can get by without Kam.

Kam, we know this, and we know you know this, but we simply don't have the money to do anything with you- we signed you last year and had our plan worked out assuming that put you on our team for 4 years.

Get your ass into camp.

by **Stream Hawk** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:18 am

This Kam holdout it tough, but the solution will come out soon. There are a lot of contradicting reports out there, that is for sure! Kam said, at the OTAs, this is the best he's ever felt.Yet MRob and others are saying he needs that extra money to protect his ailing body.

In fact he could be leveraging the Hawks that he will retire if they don't rework his contract. Let's hope that is not the case. However, the retirement caveat could save others from claiming a precedent is set if his contract is adjusted to give him more money up front. Who knows at this point? It is all speculation! My gut tells me Kam will be back by the regular season opener...

Go Hawks!

by **obiken** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:24 am

He is not Marshawn Lynch, he is NOT going to retire, take it to the bank. He is too young, not rich enough, and not that stupid.

by **LTH** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:00 pm

I dont see how they can give him more money until its time to re up his contract... If he wants to sit out of football for a couple of years ok then...This will be over before the start of the season...

LTH

by **NorthHawk** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 3:25 pm

Welcome aboard, LTH.

It seems inconsistent to want more money but be willing to forego about $270,000 per week, doesn't it?
If he does come back, I hope he gets a week or more to get close to game shape.
It seems to me that players who do sit out often get injured when they do come back because they aren't physically ready for game contact.

by **LTH** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:12 pm

Thanks for having me,

I think your point of injury is a good one....we have seen that in the past for sure...Lets just hope that Kam is in such good shape that it is a mute point...

by **Seahawks4Ever** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:22 pm

The NY Giants just lost one of their starting safeties for the rest of the season to injury. I didn't catch whether it was a FS or a SS. If a SS then I bet they are on the phone to the Seahawks trying to cut a deal for Kam. I hope not, but I thought Kam would have been beack long ago.

by **kalibane** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:40 pm

It makes no sense to trade him or for him to sit out the entire year. He won't make that money back on a new deal.

This is a holdout that I really don't get. There is no way, financially or in principal, that they are going to give him a new deal.

by **Hawktawk** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:33 pm

Its hard to understand what Kam is doing. I have a few guesses.
Maybe he is feeling more wear and tear than he lets on and wants to make his dough now. Maybe he has gotten horrible advice from his agent who negotiated a lousy deal to begin with. Perhaps he is just doing the math on the deals everyone else on the team has been getting and realizes how underpaid he is in the scheme of things.
Either way I'm not going to jump on the "selfish and greedy" bandwagon like so many have. Cam puts the BOOM in the LOB. I know they dont tear up deals in Seattle but the man has earned a bigger salary than he makes.

by **burrrton** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 2:56 pm

Cam puts the BOOM in the LOB. I know they dont tear up deals in Seattle but the man has earned a bigger salary than he makes.

Agree on all counts, but the money simply isn't there to redo his contract in any significant way (based on what I've read- I haven't examined the cap situation closely myself).

As I said, unless he thinks the Hawks are subject to a different cap than everyone else, he has to know he's trying to get blood from a turnip.

Makes no sense to me.

by **monkey** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:31 pm

burrrton wrote:I really don't get this.

Does Kam think the Hawks have some magic cap they can increase at will to give everyone whatever they want? Or does he think they should just cut guys like Kearse and Mebane loose because, dmnit, he wishes the market would have been different when he signed his contract?

SO frustrating.

It is so frustrating, and what makes it even more frustrating to me is that, it is SO OBVIOUS that Kam has literally zero leverage whatsoever, and it OUGHT to be obvious to Kam as well.
I've heard a lot of people say that his agent has given him some bad advice, but I honestly cannot imagine any agent being stupid enough to recommend this course of action, with zero leverage. This is on Kam. That really hurts to say because, I simply couldn't be a bigger fan of Kam Chancellor. If I were forced to pick one player from this team to say he was my favorite, I'd have to go with Kam.

by **Vegaseahawk** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 11:21 am

If I were forced to pick one player from this team to say he was my favorite, I'd have to go with Kam.

I've said this many times myself. The guy reminds me of Easley. I'd absolutely hate to see him go. I think his agent must have pointed out his lack of leverage & bad timing of this move, but Cam feels like he is worth more because of the things he does, & the leadership he brings. That being said, true leaders put the big picture in front. I say he will be out there week 1 with a face saving number shuffle contract. JS has to be getting tired of this sht. Its making his job harder.

by **c_hawkbob** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:08 pm

There was a map site of Seahawk fans going around that you'd put your name, zip code and favorite player on. Everybody that looked carefully enough at that map knows Bam Bam's my favorite player. (they all think I live in Louisville too, which I don't ... but the favorite player thing is accurate!)

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:19 pm

I find it very difficult to say who my favorite player is, but Kam is definitely one of them.
We have Kam, who sets the physical tone and by his presence intimidates WRs.
Then there is Earl whose mad skills and range allows the Defensive Secondary to play the way it does.
Not to mention Sherm with his intellectual approach, determination, and hard work that has gotten him to be one of the best DBs in the NFL.
And that's just the Secondary. I could have mentioned players on the DL or LBs, any of whom are capable of having huge years.

On Offense there is Lynch who has a knack of making a big play when we need it most. He lead the league in broken tackles last year with 130 and the nearest RB was 100.
That's 30% more plays where his grit and desire inspired the rest of the team.
And of course there's Wilson who is the only QB that I can see playing in this Offense and succeeding. Others may be more talented, but they don't bring the necessary tools that this Offense requires to win on a regular basis.

by **burrrton** » Wed Aug 26, 2015 9:48 am

I'm getting more pissed about this every day.

What I'd really like to see is exactly what the new/reworked deal Kam wants, and thinks the Seahawks can swing, looks like. Where does he think his big raise is supposed to come from?

by **obiken** » Wed Aug 26, 2015 11:46 am

"I'm getting more pissed about this every day.

What I'd really like to see is exactly what the new/reworked deal Kam wants, and thinks the Seahawks can swing, looks like. Where does he think his big raise is supposed to come from?"

It doesn't matter Burry, its not about money, is about a contract is a contract; they cannot redo everybody's contract every 2 years when someone from a punky team gets more for their position. Its about ego, not about money. Kam will be back about the 5 or 6th. game. IF NOT then the Hawk will kick down ALL the fines and he would be out the entire season.
I just don't see that, period. By then we will be in such good shape after 7 games that Kam coming back just would be a plus, or we would be in such bad shape that Kam coming back wouldn't make any difference. For example, RW or ML, gets a torn ACL. (I know bite my tongue, its just 2 examples) I think Kam will be back before then.

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Aug 26, 2015 2:28 pm

I was listening to NFL Radio on SiriusXM while driving and the guy talking said this was the strangest holdout he'd ever seen.
He alluded to Kam being at practice and teaching the young safeties how to play properly.

Does anyone know if this is the case? Is Kam helping out at practice but not participating and that is the nature of his holdout?

by **burrrton** » Wed Aug 26, 2015 2:40 pm

It doesn't matter Burry, its not about money, is about a contract is a contract;

I agree, but he has to think there's somewhere the money for his new contract can come from. The question is: where?

by **monkey** » Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:05 pm

burrrton wrote:
I agree, but he has to think there's somewhere the money for his new contract can come from. The question is: where?

It's funny, Michael Bennett was on the radio the other day, and in light of his unhappiness with his contract, he was asked exactly the question you are asking, just where did he think the money would come from, his answer was basically, he doesn't know, he assumes that somehow someway they could tweak his deal to get it done, besides, it's not his problem, his only concern is that he's under-payed (in his opinion).
I imagine Kam would answer essentially the same way.
Yes, of course it's completely ridiculous, but I imagine that most players feel the same way, the "it's a business" motto they all seem to cling to and repeat suggests as much.
As much as we fans want the players to consider the team, the players primary consideration is themselves, and that likely never change.

by **obiken** » Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:16 pm

Again its not about the money folks, it about not redoing everyone's contract 2 years after its negotiated, period. You cannot go down that slope, not and have any quality backups at all.

by **Zorn76** » Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:01 pm

There's no way he's gonna sit out the season.

IMO, this has as much to do with skipping camp as anything else.

He'll be back, and the team may not end up docking him much, if at all.

by **HumanCockroach** » Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:41 pm

As much as we fans want the players to consider the team, the players primary consideration is themselves, and that likely never change.

Why would it? They are "selling" their product, and attempting to maximize their "profit", same as any business.

by **depaashaas** » Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:59 pm

NorthHawk wrote:I was listening to NFL Radio on SiriusXM while driving and the guy talking said this was the strangest holdout he'd ever seen.
He alluded to Kam being at practice and teaching the young safeties how to play properly.

Does anyone know if this is the case? Is Kam helping out at practice but not participating and that is the nature of his holdout?

I've heard something similar but I thought he was looking at it via the internet he's defiantly not at facility, as he watches games and practice he is giving backups advise on good and bad. I thought it was crazy too

They can increase his pay as a signing bonus and go against the cap not this year but next year, teams do it all the time with QB... not Safeties, something Kam obviously does not understand or agree with. I would be surprised if FO will cave in to this. It's hard to imagine that he sits out the entire season with all the fines these days for hold out players

by **Vegaseahawk** » Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:46 pm

This sht is bumming me out.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2015-08-25/kam-chancellor-seahawks-holdout-trade-options-contract-extension-schneider?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=seattle-seahawks

by **obiken** » Wed Aug 26, 2015 9:07 pm

I agree with Zorn, Jones used to skip every camp, and I thought it would kill his conditioning, till I saw him pushing his SUV up the hill from the Ferry terminal to Virginia Mason, in Spandex. Talk about a BAD time to ask for an autograph! I should have but I was just too scared!

by **Zorn76** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 1:26 am

I wouldn't sweat it too much, Vegas.

The article comes from a guy who used to be a GM, but he's hardly a respected authority on these matters now.

I'd have to hear the story from Clayton or Schefter to consider giving it credibility.

Those 2 guys seem to be the most consistent on this stuff.

I just can't see him missing games or it coming to a trade scenario.

by **Seahawks4Ever** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:16 am

The Seattle Times had a great story today answering many of the questions we have all had with Kam's hold out. It especially explains it from the salary cap point of view.

[http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/kam-chancellor-holdout-faq/]

edit; Hmm I thought I followed all of the instructions in how to make it a clickable url. I am sorry. But, if you put it in manually or go to the seattle times web site you will find the story by Bob Condotta.

GO SEAHAWKS!!!

by **burrrton** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:05 am

It's funny, Michael Bennett was on the radio the other day, and in light of his unhappiness with his contract, he was asked exactly the question you are asking, just where did he think the money would come from, his answer was basically, he doesn't know, he assumes that somehow someway they could tweak his deal to get it done, besides, it's not his problem, his only concern is that he's under-payed (in his opinion).
I imagine Kam would answer essentially the same way.

You must be right. I didn't hear that part of Bennett's interview.

Off topic: did you hear his rant about QB protections? Bennett's hilarious.

The article comes from a guy who used to be a GM, but he's hardly a respected authority on these matters now.

Authority or not, it's just speculation. "It reminds me of something else" is no more or less than the rest of the sports world has been proclaiming.

by **Agent 86** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:51 am

Jason La Canfora's view....pretty good read and insight as to why he thinks the Hawks won't blink first on this one.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25282020/will-seahawks-blink-first-as-kam-chancellor-holds-out-nfl-execs-hope-not

by **NorthHawk** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:11 am

Agent 86 wrote:Jason La Canfora's view....pretty good read and insight as to why he thinks the Hawks won't blink first on this one.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25282020/will-seahawks-blink-first-as-kam-chancellor-holds-out-nfl-execs-hope-not

I found it interesting that some agents are also supporting JS in sticking to his guns as it would mean their clients would want to do the same and cause a whole lot of headaches and in most cases they couldn't deliver.
My initial assumption was that they would be licking their chops if Kam is successful.

by **burrrton** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:52 am

That surprised me a bit, too, North.

Apparently, at least some other agents realize squeezing the proverbial blood from the proverbial turnip is an exercise in futility.

Wish that would dawn on Kam's agent.

by **SalmonBB** » Thu Aug 27, 2015 3:41 pm

Good article by La Canfora. Count me in the camp that hopes the Seahawks FO does not buckle on this. I'm fine with welcoming him back and erasing any fines, and maybe even restructuring his deal in some fashion or another just to make him feel better, but not with raising the guaranteed money level.

I like Kam a lot. I couldn't decide before if he or RW was my favorite player. Easy decision for me now. Bottom line is that each day he sits out, he's not helping our team and he's not honoring the contract he signed with an FO that has treated him very well.

GO SEAHAWKS!!!

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