Kam is considering holding out

[HumanCockroach]

Does not matter any more he is signed enough said

Yep, as most rational people said all along, so at least no more bs, doom and gloom threads about that particular portion of the talks. No more claims of cheapskate FO, or how they don't value poor put Apon Wilson, no more claims about how they only care about defense, or how badly Wilson wants to bolt.... Basically, no more inaccurate, incomplete, false claims....


Now on to professing how They are going to injure poor Wilson because they refuse to just go out and dump unlimited resources to surround him with better talent, or how little Lynches impact is, how uneven draft picks are used, or any number of other inaccurate false claims can be made.

[Hawk Sista]

What a buzz-kill it is to have one of my favorite Hawks holding out on the day we FINALLY sign our franchise QB. He did not show up today and while I did have the initial thought he was Walter Jones'n it (not coming to camp to save his body) losing $30,000/day will add up quickly. I'm not going to pretend I know what Kam's motivation is. Maybe he saw that he was fallible and could miss time and sees that there is an end to this money making potential. He's paid in the top 8 of all safties and FSs are scheduled to make a little more. What I see when I look at the #s is that he is in the low end of guaranteed money when looking at the position. out of the top 20 safeties, only one (@ #16 has a lower guaranteed #). The total value of the contract seems to lack some pizazz for all that he brings, too.
http://overthecap.com/position/safety/

This is gonna suck - it is the price of success as has already been stated. I see Mebane or someone we'd really like to keep being a casualty here pretty quick. Maybe Schneider waits to see if someone gets injured (or way underperforms) to use their resources to get Bobby done. I have no idea what they will do with Kam and Bennett. Fingers crossed.

[NorthHawk]

According to Spotrac they have about $4.4 Million in Cap space at the moment.
My understanding is they have to have some room in the event of injuries and having to replace them.

There might be some surprising cuts, too so that might also free up some room, but yeah, it looks like we don't have enough room for Kam or Wags - if they even intended to address Kam this year or not.

[Hawktawk]

Kam Bam is the engine that drives the LOB. He is the most feared hitter in the league. All that said if he holds out and ET isn't ready we will find out if Wilson and his shiny new toy Graham can carry the Hawks awhile or the team will be 0-2 starting the season. If there is no money why hold out? I'm for trying to get something done with Wagner before tearing up that deal of Chancellors anyway.

[RiverDog]

I can't see Kam's holdout lasting very long. He's subject to being fined $30,000 per day during his holdout. The team has to draw the line in the sand at some point in time.

Yea, sis, the price of success is definitely a problem. But look at it this way: There's a lot worse problems to have.

[Seahawks4Ever]

Never have I been so sorry to be right about an issue. No sooner than RW signed his extension than Kam decided he too needed to reneg on his contract too. Before Booby could sign his new extension Kam came with his hat in his hand pleading poverty.

Richard Sherman has come out in support of Kam, so I guess it will be his turn next year for him to reneg on his contract too!

This is what I said was going to happen when they caved in to the demands of Lynch. P.C. said he actually believed that Marshawn would retire if they didn't kiss his behind. BALDERDASH!!! he was NEVER going to retire.

Now that the BWags deal is done, Pete says they can do something about Kam's deal.

Talk about doubling down on stupidity! Already Tony McDaniel has been released, how much more depth and/or starters are we going to lose because of a bunch of GREEDY PLAYERS???? They have THIER rings, now it seems all they care about is lining their own pockets.

Lynch. Bennett, Kam, and probably Sherman never gave a darn if RW or Bobby got a big pay day, as long they got theirs. How sick.

That sound you heard was the window of opportunity to winning another championship slamming shut.

The Seahawks used to be a TEAM, now, they are just a collection of talent. sad, sad, sad...

[RiverDog]

Never have I been so sorry to be right about an issue. No sooner than RW signed his extension than Kam decided he too needed to reneg on his contract too. Before Booby could sign his new extension Kam came with his hat in his hand pleading poverty.

Richard Sherman has come out in support of Kam, so I guess it will be his turn next year for him to reneg on his contract too!

This is what I said was going to happen when they caved in to the demands of Lynch. P.C. said he actually believed that Marshawn would retire if they didn't kiss his behind. BALDERDASH!!! he was NEVER going to retire.

Now that the BWags deal is done, Pete says they can do something about Kam's deal.

Talk about doubling down on stupidity! Already Tony McDaniel has been released, how much more depth and/or starters are we going to lose because of a bunch of GREEDY PLAYERS???? They have THIER rings, now it seems all they care about is lining their own pockets.

Lynch. Bennett, Kam, and probably Sherman never gave a darn if RW or Bobby got a big pay day, as long they got theirs. How sick.

That sound you heard was the window of opportunity to winning another championship slamming shut.

The Seahawks used to be a TEAM, now, they are just a collection of talent. sad, sad, sad...

Clearly the Seahawks have entered a different phase. They are no longer the mean, hungry challenger out to make a bold statement about themselves, prove themselves to the world. They have matured into a dynasty stage, where the challenge now is keeping all these flaming individualist happy and content and keep everyone focused on driving towards the same goal.

Kam's not happy, Bennett isn't happy, we know Irvin isn't happy...at some point, that stuff becomes unmanageable. Here's a quote from Michael Bennett that does a good job of capturing the type of sentiment that Pete is going to have to overcome if we are to go to a 3rd straight SB:

"They pay certain people a lot of money and other guys feel like they should be paid just as much as those guys because everybody contributes to the Super Bowls and the championships."

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutd ... 03887.html

This latest challenge is going to be nearly as big of a task for Pete as building the team in the first place. The expectation used to be to make the playoffs, then get to the Super Bowl. Now the expectation is nothing less than win the Super Bowl, and he's going to have to do it with an ever growing locker room of malcontents.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

They feel like they should be paid more, but should they? Is Bennet, Kam, or Irving worth what Sherman, Thomas, Wagner, and Wilson are worth? I feel like it will be a whole lot harder to replace the last four versus the first three, with Kam being the closest call, and maybe that's what those guys are seeing.

[c_hawkbob]

Kam is, yes.

[RiverDog]

Agree with Cbob about Kam's worth, particularly given his age, but that's not the issue. The issue is re-negotiating contracts. As has been shown, you start down a very slippery slope when you start making it a practice of re-negotiating contracts.

[c_hawkbob]

And I agree with Dog on that point as well. Kam is that valuable, but he's asking out of turn. We can't have annual renegotiations like some seem to want from us.

[Anthony]

Agree with Cbob about Kam's worth, particularly given his age, but that's not the issue. The issue is re-negotiating contracts. As has been shown, you start down a very slippery slope when you start making it a practice of re-negotiating contracts.

I agree with Bob as well, Kam is worth it, but the timing is wrong, maybe at the end of next season, but not this season, but hey the FO opened this Pandora's box when they did what they did for Lynch.

[NorthHawk]

Lynch's situation is a little different in that he was seriously considering retiring.
The FO did re-do the contract that had just been signed, though, so I see the similarity.

[Vegaseahawk]

Plus, as I recall, Lynch's contract was actually more of a money shuffle, taking some of the end loads & moving them up. Maybe something similar can be done for Bam Bam too. Having said that, were this type of thing to become commonplace, the FO may find themselves overworked. Just found this out there.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2540532-insider-buzz-seahawks-only-interested-in-band-aid-deal-with-kam-chancellor?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=seattle-seahawks

[obiken]

What do you do if they ALL start holding out because they aren't the highest paid player at their position in the league? I am almost ready to go to the fall back Billicheat position, pay the QB and a LT to protect him, and wing it with everyone else.
This "Common Core" strategy is killing us.

[RiverDog]

Apparently Kam is staying in touch with what is going on in camp during his absence, texting his replacement with advice, reviewing film, and so on, which is a good sign as it indicates that he's not pizzed off at the world and is anxious to get back.

While he's staying away from training camp during what is now a week-old contract holdout, strong safety Kam Chancellor has still been reviewing practice film and giving current fill-in DeShawn Snead tips on how to maintain effectiveness up the middle of the secondary.

“Oh, yeah, I get texts. He still watches all the film. He’s still tuned in to everything,” Shead said following the 7th practice of Seahawks training camp. “He will tell me ‘Shead, watch out for this. When you see this play you can play it faster.’ If I made a mistake on something he will tell me, let me know. “

"So he is still very active.”

http://www.chatsports.com/seattle-seaha ... nead-21148

I expect to see a resolution to this holdout real soon, perhaps some very incidental massaging of numbers to move a relatively small amount of money up front, waiving of the fees he's subject to for not reporting.

[savvyman]

Kam needs to get his rear end into camp now.

Fans need to support our Front Office position on these matters as long as Pete & John are running the team - and quit second guessing John & Pete as so many - Anthony etc. - did during the never-ending Russell Wilson greedapolooza show.

[Feez]

They feel like they should be paid more, but should they? Is Bennet, Kam, or Irving worth what Sherman, Thomas, Wagner, and Wilson are worth? I feel like it will be a whole lot harder to replace the last four versus the first three, with Kam being the closest call, and maybe that's what those guys are seeing.

agreed.

[obiken]

This could go the regular season. 2 entrenched positions.

[RiverDog]

This could go the regular season. 2 entrenched positions.

This won't go into the regular season. Trust me.

[NorthHawk]

According to the latest article from PFT, Kam was under the impression that he would get his contract adjusted if/when he was considered one of the top safety's.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -new-deal/

[burrrton]

According to the latest article from PFT, Kam was under the impression that he would get his contract adjusted if/when he was considered one of the top safety's.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -new-deal/

*sigh* Gimme a break, Kam.

[Agent 86]

According to the latest article from PFT, Kam was under the impression that he would get his contract adjusted if/when he was considered one of the top safety's.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -new-deal/

If that article is true, then for me, I would side with Kam. If that was an expectation, then I think something will get done. I heard Pete talking about Kam when he first held out, and without saying it, Pete sure sounded like something would be at least looked at and considered.

The tandem of Kam and Earl is second to none in the NFL right now, and I would think they will take care of that as these guys go through their prime years.

For me, Kam deserves it. We all know the type of player he is, and make no mistake, status is a huge factor for these players. You have to think Kam is fired up about the players that are ahead of him on the safety pay scale. I know he already signed his deal, and I usually think that trumps anything, but in this case, I hope Kam gets what he deserves.

It would be best case if he was holding out just to get some extra time off (we know he doesn't need a full camp to be at his best) and in the end he gets more cash. I know, I know, slippery slope, but it's Bam Bam. You do it. (For the record, I wouldn't do it for Bennett, he's good, but....)

[Seahawks4Ever]

Kam is either delusional or has been smoking crack if he "believes" that the FO would redo his contract after only one year! NO WAY JS or PC made that promise to Kam. I would call out Kam publically and ask him to name which player or players either have to take a pay cut or get released to satisfy his demands, that ought to make him really popular in the locker room, NOT! Lynch and then Kam were the first to GET PAID, then each, after only ONE SEASON started crying like babies. It makes me SICK. Like I said, I am glad I got to witness killing Denver and hoisting the trophy at the parade because with these greedy players there won't be a "dynasty" in Seattle. A die-nasty maybe...

[HumanCockroach]

Lynch and then Kam were the first to GET PAID, then each, after only ONE SEASON started crying like babies

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At least you when you are wrong you are consistently wrong, neither held out after one year, Bennett would have been that guy but showed up.

[Seahawks4Ever]

Kam signed his new contract and then played one season, LAST SEASON and now he is crying for more money and is indeed holding out.

Lynch signed a new contract and then played one season, the SB48 season and then held out most of last years TC until the FO restructured his contract. I am correct, it is YOU who are WRONG about the facts my friend.

Oh, and Bennett is present at TC but sat out All of the voluntary work outs and he has not stopped whining.

[Agent 86]

Uh oh...gloves are coming off.

I think HCR is correct, the way I am reading Kam's deal, he has played 2 full seasons since signing the new deal, and these last 2 season's he has emerged as a "best in class" safety. Not sure about Beast.

Sure is tough when you sign someone 2 years earlier and at the time they are near the top of the pay scale, only to have other players at the same position sign after that and up the pay scale. GM's are to blame for alot of players being overpaid, but you do what you have to do to bring someone into your city.

[HumanCockroach]

Yep, I am correct, but don't let facts get in the way ( like Kam signed a five year deal played two of them before this holdout, or that Lynch signed a four year deal played two of them prior to his, or that Harvin could have nixed the deal if Seattle was unwilling to renegotiate his contract, or the fact that none of those three were the first players to hold out with multiple years left on their contracts that this FO reworked ( that would be Clemmons) ) you have an agenda, facts be damned. ( similar to the Wilson can't throw from the pocket, or he'll never win a SB, eh Jack?)

[HumanCockroach]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/marshawn-ly ... -seahawks/

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-fo ... hawks-camp

If you need Chancellors info as well I can pull those links also, you shouldn't as even a casual fan knows Seattle locked up Kam before Sherman, Thomas and Bennett, but if you need to revisit when he got his extension, the links are readily accessible.

[Agent 86]

And HCR is headed to the penalty box to serve his 5 minute major as the crowd gives him a standing O.

Seahawks4ever meanwhile is headed to the dressing room to get stitched up and clean up his leaky nose.

[c_hawkbob]

We have our return man.

[Seahawks4Ever]

BFD I was off by 1 Effing season, it doesn't change the fact that he has plenty of time left on his contract before holding his hat out.

BUT! After what I read today, What I was all wrong about Kam was that he is wanting more money. NOPE! All he is asking for is that the Seahawks guarantee his 2016 and 2017 years off his contract. Now, how come the Seahawks are so reluctant to do that??? This seems really PETTY.

Kam said what drew his concern was watching Red Bryant and Chris Clemons cut before their contracts ran out. Now, Kam is much important than those guys were, I find it hard to believe that the Seahawks would do that to Kam. BUT! Since the F/O has been refusing to guarantee those two years of his contract maybe that was exactly what they were going to do.

COME OF SEAHAWKS, SINCE IT ISN'T ABOUT MORE MONEY, GIVE KAM WHAT HE WANTS, HE HAS EARNED IT!!!!!!!

[NorthHawk]

BFD I was off by 1 Effing season, it doesn't change the fact that he has plenty of time left on his contract before holding his hat out.

BUT! After what I read today, What I was all wrong about Kam was that he is wanting more money. NOPE! All he is asking for is that the Seahawks guarantee his 2016 and 2017 years off his contract. Now, how come the Seahawks are so reluctant to do that??? This seems really PETTY.

Kam said what drew his concern was watching Red Bryant and Chris Clemons cut before their contracts ran out. Now, Kam is much important than those guys were, I find it hard to believe that the Seahawks would do that to Kam. BUT! Since the F/O has been refusing to guarantee those two years of his contract maybe that was exactly what they were going to do.

COME OF SEAHAWKS, SINCE IT ISN'T ABOUT MORE MONEY, GIVE KAM WHAT HE WANTS, HE HAS EARNED IT!!!!!!!

I could be wrong, but I believe that guaranteeing contracts has big CAP implications - and we don't have much room left to move in the event of injuries as it stands today.

[Seahawks4Ever]

how could guaranteeing money they are going to pay him any how affect the CAP in any way?? Please explain...

If it does affect the CAP, then KAM has no choice but to either put his tail between his legs and return to camp (I would fire me agent if I were Kam) or sit out the season and?or hope for a trade. Once Kam starts missing regular season games the Seahawks would have no choice but to start proceedings to recoop a portion of his signing bonus and to hit him with the maximum of the penalties they would be entitled to levy. There is always the danger that Kam sits out all of the pre-season games and then shows up for the regular season, at which time I am sure the Hawks would forget about the fines, but then Kam would probably pull a muscle (probably a hammy) and miss significant time. It is starting to look like the Hawks may be forced to trade Kam, and if they do I hope it is to some team like Cleveland or some other loser.

[HumanCockroach]

how could guaranteeing money they are going to pay him any how affect the CAP in any way?? Please explain

Because as with a majority of all salaries, the bonus' while guaranteed , salaries aren't, hence " dead money" if a player is cut ( guaranteed money only depending on date becomes "dead" , for example when Seattle dumped Harvin, traded Unger, released ousyourdaddy etc, ONLY guarantees become dead money, not roster bonuses, not salary, not work out bonuses etc) by guaranteeing Kams entire salary, should he retire, get hurt, get traded ALL of said salary would count against cap, not just signing bonus.

Not saying I think they shouldn't do it, but you asked a question, and there is your answer.

As for him asking for more guarantees, that was discussed weeks ago, before the "how Harvin or Lynch ruined how Seattle's ability to negotiate" thing.

[NorthHawk]

Thanks HC for the explanation.
Does it affect this years CAP if they guaranteed it or just handcuff following years if the player moved on.

As a side note, the NFL almost never guarantees the full contract, and this would be pretty close if they did it for Kam.

[burrrton]

Dear Kam- get your ass into camp, please. Sincerely, the 12s

[HumanCockroach]

Thanks HC for the explanation.
Does it affect this years CAP if they guaranteed it or just handcuff following years if the player moved on.

As a side note, the NFL almost never guarantees the full contract, and this would be pretty close if they did it for Kam.

Depends on each individual contract and bonuses involved. If he has a roster bonus that has surely kicked in, but I am not sure how much has become guaranteed at this point.

[Seahawks4Ever]

I opened up my Seattle Times Sports section this morning to see that Mike Robinson is reporting that Kam is so far dug in that he says he is willing to sit out the entire season. Mike also says that the Seahawks should forget their policy because some players are just that important, especially in the locker room. Well, sitting out an entire season? That will really endear yourself to John and Pete, what do you think?

The fact is, the Seahawks just do not have the CAP space to significantly raise his salary, so I guess Kam's days as a Seahawk are numbered. If he sits out much longer I expect he will be traded to a team that is willing to give him a better contract and has the CAP space to do so. I don't know if that team even exists. He is proving him self to be a malcontent and a cancer in the locker room who will have to be removed, this IS a sad state of affairs, I will never forget him limping off the field and then limping onto the off of the bus after the SB. He truly left it all on the field.

He should FIRE his manager for not getting him a better deal when they were dickering over his extension If he would have asked for more he might have been paid more. This is on his agent. Kam will lose millions if he sits out, does he really believe the Hawks will forgive THAT and pay him the difference in a new deal if he indeed sits out the season??? No, I expect to read some day soon that his contract has been traded, and I hope it isn't to a team we face very often.

If the Seahawks give in because Kam is a "special" player Sherman will do the same thing and so will Earl followed by B.Wags and oh, here comes Marshawn and right behind him would be Russell Wilson him self, all crying poverty. Excuse me while I go puke.

[Hawktown]

SEE YA KAM!!! What a dumbars!!!