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by **RiverDog** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:32 pm

Only in Zoo York.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_ ... broken-jaw

by **c_hawkbob** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:37 pm

Dumbazz cost the team their QB and hisself a job ... I hope he fee's "respected" now.

by **kalibane** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:45 pm

Poor Jets, I thought they might have a halfway decent chance to compete for a wildcard if Geno Smith's progress was as advertised.

by **monkey** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:37 pm

Am I missing something with people thinking the jets will be decent this year? I don't see what people are seeing, the bills dolphins and patriots are all vastly superior teams. I saw the Jets heading for four wins five at the most before this news. Every year media hype gets people thinking they are better than they are.
I think they finish dear last in what should be a more competitive division as the pats take a step back and bills and dolphins step closer, maybe even beating out the pats finally.

by **c_hawkbob** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:58 pm

Just can't take the Jets seriously. Never could ... they have been a running joke since Namath put on the pantyhose. Even when they had Joe Klecko who was one of my all time favorites (right up there with Merlin Olson and Tez for DT's), Gastineau was keeping the joke alive.

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:42 pm

So the guy who punched Smith loses his career and Smith will lose the starting job (and maybe playing time bonuses) at least until he's healthy and maybe longer.
All over what is supposed to be $600.
Pretty sad state of affairs.

by **kalibane** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:30 pm

monkey wrote:Am I missing something with people thinking the jets will be decent this year? I don't see what people are seeing, the bills dolphins and patriots are all vastly superior teams. I saw the Jets heading for four wins five at the most before this news. Every year media hype gets people thinking they are better than they are.
I think they finish dear last in what should be a more competitive division as the pats take a step back and bills and dolphins step closer, maybe even beating out the pats finally.

I think so. Sheldon Richardson, Muhammad Wilkerson and Leonard Williams are an imposing defensive line, probably 3rd best group behind the Rams and Bills. Cromartie and Revis at corner. Pryor is a talented safety. Todd Bowles has a very bright defensive mind and corners perfect for his aggressive blitzing. He did great with less in AZ.

Pretty good offensive line. Brandon Marshall and Decker outside and supposedly the switch flipped for Geno. So yes if Geno really had turned the corner and was a competent QB (big if, but that was the qualifier) and Pryor starts making good on his talent they had the potential to field a top 5 defense and a decent offense.

by **Hawktawk** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:10 pm

Just dumb. QB s should not take on Linebackers with or without a helmet. Or DBs like Newton did in Carolina as well. WTH? Dumb and Dumber.....Right up there with Tom Brady conspiring to deflate footballs.
Thank the lord for Russell Wilson.Compared to these buffoons a workaholic winner celebrity with a little god squad chatter is just fine by me. Are we lucky or what????

by **Zorn76** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:33 pm

Pathetic.

by **kalibane** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:35 pm

Um this wasn't a fight... it was a disagreement in the lockerroom that ended with a sucker punch.

by **Hawktawk** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 5:22 pm

Early reports said Geno Smith had poked his finger in his chest. If thats the case it wasn't a sucker punch, it was a first quick punch that was the last punch. IMO a sucker punch is delivered by tapping a person on the shoulder or otherwise hit them when they aren't looking.

by **kalibane** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 6:48 pm

The more people post the more I wonder who's ever actually been in a locker room.

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:14 pm

Every locker room I've been involved in had a different dynamic.
Some were uptight, some loosely goosey, some had obvious leaders, and others seemed to be looking for someone to stand apart and assume the leadership role.
God only knows what was going on with the Jets.

by **RiverDog** » Wed Aug 12, 2015 12:47 am

Hawktawk wrote:Early reports said Geno Smith had poked his finger in his chest. If thats the case it wasn't a sucker punch, it was a first quick punch that was the last punch. IMO a sucker punch is delivered by tapping a person on the shoulder or otherwise hit them when they aren't looking.

The head coach said that Smith got sucker punched, so unless proven otherwise, I would tend to believe him. I don't think they would have been so quick to release Whatshisname had they believed otherwise.

by **kalibane** » Wed Aug 12, 2015 4:37 am

NorthHawk wrote:Every locker room I've been involved in had a different dynamic.
Some were uptight, some loosely goosey, some had obvious leaders, and others seemed to be looking for someone to stand apart and assume the leadership role.
God only knows what was going on with the Jets.

My point is if you spent any meaningful time in a locker room with all that testosterone, especially in football, especially in training camp you'll see guys get into arguments they square off, get your n each other's faces,bump each other etc. it almost never ends in throwing blows. And position does not make a difference.

In fact as a QB who is presumably the leader of the team you can't just back down from a sixth round draft pick rookie in front of everyone and maintain respect in the locker room. If you want to fault someone fault Geno's offensive line who didn't step in and take up for their QB.

by **Seahawks4Ever** » Wed Aug 12, 2015 5:10 am

What I remember about locker rooms is the awful stink. I can't stand the smell of B.O.I couldn't get suited up fast enough to get out of there. Lord help the guy who got in my way out, they might get flattened. Yep. lots of testosterone.

by **Hawktawk** » Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:11 am

Geno took 600 dollars for a ticket he didn't use
.#1 why did he need $600? as a second round QB he certainly has a salary that dwarfs a 6th round linebacker.
#2 Why didn't he return the money, for the same reason?
#3 why was he in the linebackers face in the locker room when it was clear he was totally in the wrong about the matter, trivial that it may have been.
Hes far from blameless.

I played football from middle school through graduation and saw a few fights in the locker room. Not to mention that in the 70's freshmen initiation was borderline sadistic.
Thats why i laughed about the Incognito Martin *bullying* scandal. Either way Geno is just not too bright in general. Darwin theory of QB de-evolution.
The stupidity of these two men probably cost both of them their roles as Jets.

by **kalibane** » Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:36 am

No one is arguing that Geno Smith is a genius. But since Smith owed the debt it clearly was the other guy getting in his face.

It was a dumb situation all around and you can blame Geno for a lot, I just don't think not turning tail and running is one of them especially when the LB was in his space. Like I said... where were his linemen? It reflects poorly on Geno that the locker room didn't care enough to break up the situation. But given he was their QB they still should have if for no other reason that even though Geno has not proven to be a competent NFL QB yet he's definitely better than Fitzpatrick.

Do you think for a second that teammates would have allowed a situation get that out of control when their QB was involved especially a rookie who was a long shot to make the team? I don't even think they'd let that happen to Cutler and I bet you couldn't breathe on Tom Brady.

by **RiverDog** » Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:57 am

kalibane wrote:My point is if you spent any meaningful time in a locker room with all that testosterone, especially in football, especially in training camp you'll see guys get into arguments they square off, get your n each other's faces,bump each other etc. it almost never ends in throwing blows. And position does not make a difference.

In fact as a QB who is presumably the leader of the team you can't just back down from a sixth round draft pick rookie in front of everyone and maintain respect in the locker room. If you want to fault someone fault Geno's offensive line who didn't step in and take up for their QB.

There were several players/coaches that were critical of Smith for not defusing the situation. My understanding was that players were on top of the situation immediately, pulling the two apart, so there wasn't much of a chance for anyone to stick up for their QB.

10-4 about the fights. I remember when a backup quarterback named Clint (or Cliff) Longley cold cocked Roger Staubach in the locker room. I also remember Buddy Ryan sucker punching an offensive coordinator on the sidelines during a game. Or how about Woody Hayes slugging an opposing player because he intercepted a pass. You put all those roosters in the same hen house, especially professional football players/coaches of whom the majority are typical Type A personalities, and you're bound to have some strong disagreements that at times can become physical.

FYI I saw the very first Seahawk training camp in Cheney in 1976 as I was a student there back then. I remember two things: All the fights and that Terry Beeson was the biggest stud of a linebacker that I'd ever seen.

by **c_hawkbob** » Wed Aug 12, 2015 9:21 am

My understanding, from listening to the Rich Eisen show on the way home last night, is that:

- Enemkpali bought Geno a ticket to attend a kids football camp he was having but Geno had a friend die a couple days before the event and wound up attending the funeral or viewing or whatever instead of going to IK's camp so Enemkpali was out the $600 that way.

- IK got in Geno's face about not getting the 600 bucks yet and Geno responded by putting a finger in IK's face, at which point Enemkpali jacked him up.

Both men are in the wrong. Geno for not paying back the ticket money and IK for decking the QB.

You don't punch your starting QB.

Ever.

The guy that punched Rodger Staubach got immediately canned too. You just don't hurt your team over a minor personal matter, period. (I'd argue that he did the Jets a favor, but that's irrelevant)

My question is where the hell were Geno's O lineman? O lineman don't let their QB get hurt, on the field, in the locker room or at the club ... could you imagine a second year back up LB trying to get in Matthew's face with Walt or Hutch around?! And even if there were no linemen in the locker room, what about the other vets?

Vets own an NFL locker room, no way they should let this piss ant back up LB take out their starting QB. Geno must be seriously lacking some team respect to have not a single vet tell the kid to pipe down and handle personal business on personal time.

by **RiverDog** » Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:45 am

I read essentially the same thing you did, Cbob.

As far as the OL coming to his defense, I don't know how much time they had to react. My understanding is that players and coaches were on top of the two so quickly that Smith didn't have a chance to retaliate, which if he didn't, his O line wouldn't have been able to react, either.

It's hard to pass judgment when we didn't see how it all transpired.

by **Hawktawk** » Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:21 am

I was reading up on this kid who jacked Geno. It sounds like he was having an outstanding preseason and was virtually unblockable as an edge rusher with a variety of moves. Maybe the Hawks bring him in for a look see? Russ would host his camp for free.

by **kalibane** » Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:41 am

I'll pass. Supposedly he has a history of violent behavior (beat up an off duty cop who was working security at a bar) which is why he fell to the 6th round pick in the first place.

by **RiverDog** » Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:48 am

Hawktawk wrote:I was reading up on this kid who jacked Geno. It sounds like he was having an outstanding preseason and was virtually unblockable as an edge rusher with a variety of moves. Maybe the Hawks bring him in for a look see? Russ would host his camp for free.

Nope, at least not so soon. I don't want anymore locker room cancers. This is a quite different situation than it is with Aldon Smith, who outside of this rumor about him and Kaepernick, has never been a poor teammate. We're not that desperate.

by **obiken** » Wed Aug 12, 2015 2:56 pm

Your version is correct Cbob except Geno said you aint gonna do nothing about it. He was a 6th round draft choice, no way he can afford 600 bucks. Like you said 2 wrongs don't make a right. It sounds like Geno is piece of work and is losing the locker room.

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Aug 12, 2015 4:42 pm

Well, it seems that Rex Ryan and the Bills picked up IK Enemkpali.
I wouldn't have thought any team would do that after putting the starting QB out of action for 2 months.
Ryan had him last year, so I guess he thinks it's worth the addition.

by **c_hawkbob** » Wed Aug 12, 2015 4:53 pm

2 things:

1- IK has proven he knows how to get to the QB ... the Bill just hope he can get to the other team's QB (insert rim-shot here)

2- Is there any doubt now that the Jets are gonna press assault charges on behalf of Geno?

by **RiverDog** » Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:43 pm

I read where the Jets said that it would be totally up to Geno as to whether or not to file charges.

by **kalibane** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:01 am

NorthHawk wrote:Well, it seems that Rex Ryan and the Bills picked up IK Enemkpali.
I wouldn't have thought any team would do that after putting the starting QB out of action for 2 months.
Ryan had him last year, so I guess he thinks it's worth the addition.

Have you seen the Bills QB depth chart? Rex probably doesn't care if his starting QB is out for 2 months.

by **c_hawkbob** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 5:12 am

RiverDog wrote:I read where the Jets said that it would be totally up to Geno as to whether or not to file charges.

That was before the Bills picked him up.

by **Hawktawk** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 6:37 am

Ryan just made a really good defense better IMO and this kid will take a bullet for him if necessary.The kid had a phenomenal preseason last year with strip sacks in back to back games. He has the agility to spin , beat opposing blockers inside or out, and the power to bull rush. Oh and BTW reports are surfacing today that Enempkali merely asked Geno for the money as he had done previously within earshot of teammates. He is apparently very particular about money. When he asked Geno about it again in the locker room it was Geno who initiated the physical contact by pushing his face with his finger. So the quotes from teammates were "it was not a sucker punch". I think I said that yesterday.

Geno Smith is a disrespectful punk who treated a fellow player like shirt for no good reason. He has forever lost that locker room. And it will be Fitzpatrick paying the price for losing a promising young edge rusher to a division rival....

by **c_hawkbob** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:59 am

You've obviously taken a side in the fight, I haven't. I don't care who's right and who's wrong, they are both at fault in what happened and both deserve what they got.

As for a sucker punch, that's just a punch you didn't expect. I think there was no reasonable expectation for a punch in the jaw from a team mate in an NFL locker room and that's why the coach referred to it as a sucker punch. But who cares? It was just as stupid no matter what you call it.

And as for Fitz, he's the beneficiary of all this childishness. He just got handed a starting job! I ain't feeling sorry for him at all.

Now for the Bills? I agree, they got a good young prospect and a Rex Ryan guy to begin with, for nothing. Good for them. Even if the kid has to serve a little time and maybe a suspension for assault, when all is said and done, they are the winners here.

Lastly, the Jets? This is just who they are, that place is a zoo and it turns all the players into poo flinging monkeys, and I wouldn't have it any other way. Are you not entertained?

by **Feez** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:29 am

I have to say I don't think it was a sucker punch given later details that came out. you put your hands on someone during an argument don't be shocked if they punch you. I also think in the long run this could help their team I am not sold on Smith as a Starter and it wouldn't at all surprise me if with the weapons he has available to him Fitzpatrick doesn't do well enough to cause a QB controversy by the time Smith is healed. I have long thought Fitzpatrick could do well in the right environment, I think if he ever had a chance it would be there and now assuming there isn't huge locker room problems (fights are an indicator there are)

by **Hawktawk** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:47 am

Feez I agree with everything you said there. I've always felt Fitz could be competent in a Kyle Orton sort of way in the right environment. He's got better wheels than people think and he is extremely tough. He tries to do too much sometimes which has led to turnovers. But this environment looks right for him. I also agree that Smith is a big question mark entering his third season and just proved he is absolutely dumb as a box of rocks. Why pick a fight with a linebacker over money YOU OWE HIM!!! And yeah someone pokes a finger in my face I'm likely to throw a roundhouse right there myself.

He got what he had coming, sorry I have taken a side. He may never start in the league again. Fitz will be the key to that but really I don't think there much upside with Smith either way.

And yes Bob its very entertaining I am enjoying the heck out of it

Feez wrote:I have to say I don't think it was a sucker punch given later details that came out. you put your hands on someone during an argument don't be shocked if they punch you. I also think in the long run this could help their team I am not sold on Smith as a Starter and it wouldn't at all surprise me if with the weapons he has available to him Fitzpatrick doesn't do well enough to cause a QB controversy by the time Smith is healed. I have long thought Fitzpatrick could do well in the right environment, I think if he ever had a chance it would be there and now assuming there isn't huge locker room problems (fights are an indicator there are)

by **kalibane** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:59 am

You clearly haven't seen "Fitz" play then. I have. I watched him start 12 games here in Cincinnati. His career record is 33 - 55. And it's that way for a reason. You can sum up Ryan Fitzpatrick in one sentence:

Ryan Fitzpatrick has been blessed with the mentality of Brett Favre and the arm of Matt Flynn.

by **Feez** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:33 am

kalibane wrote:You clearly haven't seen "Fitz" play then. I have. I watched him start 12 games here in Cincinnati. His career record is 33 - 55. And it's that way for a reason. You can sum up Ryan Fitzpatrick in one sentence:

Ryan Fitzpatrick has been blessed with the mentality of Brett Favre and the arm of Matt Flynn.

that is pretty funny. we shall see unlike a lot of suppositions this one will actually play out. he had a few moments of being decent in Buffalo. I don't expect him ot set the league on fire but I think he will do better than Gino which shouldn't be all that hard.

by **RiverDog** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:38 am

kalibane wrote:Ryan Fitzpatrick has been blessed with the mentality of Brett Favre and the arm of Matt Flynn.

That has to be an oxymoron. Fitz is without a doubt the smartest QB in the league, graduated from Harvard, scored a 49 or 50 on the Wonderlic while Bret Favre has to be somewhere around Terry Bradshaw's territory when it comes to brains.

by **kalibane** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 11:01 am

Riv,

Important to differentiate Intelligence from Mentality. He's very intelligent. He just plays the game like Favre but doesn't have the arm to complete any of those risky throws that Favre did. He's a complete gunslinger but is armed with a pop gun.

by **RiverDog** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:01 pm

kalibane wrote:Riv,

Important to differentiate Intelligence from Mentality. He's very intelligent. He just plays the game like Favre but doesn't have the arm to complete any of those risky throws that Favre did. He's a complete gunslinger but is armed with a pop gun.

Ahh, got it. I knew there had to be a catch somewhere. And thus, I agree completely. Favre had a cannon of an arm that bailed him out of some otherwise incredibly stupid decisions.

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