Kam is considering holding out

[depaashaas]

Well it is kind of Pete Carrols mantra, "next man up" to whine about his contract

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... d-hold-out

It's getting a bit old though

[RiverDog]

Getting a bit old is an understatement. This offseason drama is bordering on the obscene.

[politicalfootball]

Getting old but we need Kam to stay right where he is.

[Hawktawk]

It is getting very old but in fairness I beleive Cam Bam is the most important person on our defense. His 4.5 million salary pales in comparison to Thomas or Sherman's mega deals. At any rate it doesn't look like any of these guys are willing to save a little money for Russ.
The cracks are showing. This team better do some winning the next couple of years and JS better start digging deep for new cheap talent.

[mykc14]

It is getting very old but in fairness I beleive Cam Bam is the most important person on our defense. His 4.5 million salary pales in comparison to Thomas or Sherman's mega deals. At any rate it doesn't look like any of these guys are willing to save a little money for Russ.
The cracks are showing. This team better do some winning the next couple of years and JS better start digging deep for new cheap talent.

although his current salary is 4.5 mil, his average per year compensation is 7 mil, pretty good for a free safety. ET's is 10/yr which is better but typically FS's get paid a little more than SS.

[The POPE]

Just a little wisdom from THE POPE


Isaiah 56:11English Standard Version (ESV)

11 The dogs have a mighty appetite;
they never have enough.
But they are shepherds who have no understanding;
they have all turned to their own way,
each to his own gain, one and all.

You see my children, human nature has taken hold of this great team and is slowly tearing it apart. The individual good, is beginning to take priority over the greater good. Beware of the devil and his greedy ways, great kingdoms, men and NFL teams have been destroyed by mans greed. Pete and John better have a few low cost diamonds in the rough sitting around, because they will need them in the not so distant future.

[Anthony]

Hmm interesting, I am betting he will get his new contract after all he is defense, and a core defense, and if he does not it will be Wilsons fault to most. Amazing no real backlash on him hmm.

[NorthHawk]

Hmm interesting, I am betting he will get his new contract after all he is defense, and a core defense, and if he does not it will be Wilsons fault to most. Amazing no real backlash on him hmm.

The news just came out today.
Give it time...

[Anthony]

The news just came out today.
Give it time...

No time needed go look at Seahawks.net here are a few exerts

" hate to say it, but this is why you don't let your QB negotiations become contentious and stretch to August and beyond.

Everyone follows what the QB does. If they see reports that he isn't giving an inch, why should anyone else? QB sets the tone. This is why making that commitment early is crucial."

"Thus, my problem is that RW had the opportunity to take just a little less (maybe just 5-10%), and thereby encourage the team's other stars to do the same. His image would have remained untarnished, his love for his teammates would not have been questioned, and he would have furthered his desire to win multiple championships. Instead, he has taken action that is directly in contrast to his stated goal of winning multiple Superbowls. And, he is encouraging the team's other stars to do the same damn thing. I've lost a lot of my respect for, and admiration of, him this season."

"I really hope RW is paying attention to this. His demand for so much is setting such a bad precedent for the rest of the team...."

Oh and there is more and very few are opposed to Kam getting his money.

To me what started this was Lynch and the FO caving in to him.

[burrrton]

This is how dynasties get derailed.

Hard to fault guys for wanting more financial security, but that fact remains.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

A few things:

1. I've got Seahawks haters crowing how they knew this was coming. You think? Pretty sure anybody that follows the NFL knows that players of highly successful teams start asking for more money, yet these haters treat it like some kind of prophetic, "I told you so" of their own. Go pound sand, haters.

2. These guys, Bennet, Irvin, Chancellor, and everybody on the team, really, does well because the entire team plays well. I guess there is no way to know until it happens, but would any of the these guys have the same success if they didn't have the quality talent around them?

3. Kam is signed through 2017; I say let him hold out. I know there is only one Kam Chancellor, but why cave to him? Let him start missing game checks and see how that goes. I wouldn't mind if somebody replaces him and he gets traded. Who the replacement is. Maybe Shead?

4. I'll never be in their position, but I don't understand why these players are willing to make demands that they know will mean the team can't stay together, especially after they've already signed extensions. These guys know how the salary cap works. Making millions, not being grossly underpaid, to play a game for a team that is in a prime window for Superbowl runs should be good thing. Same as with Chancellor, let them hold out, and maybe a young hungry player takes their job.

5. As far as backlash, I have more towards Bennet and Chancellor than I do to Wilson. They've signed their extensions, and they should be playing under them. Wilson doesn't even have his deal yet. Any backlash from Wilson should only come if actual details of a deal come out. If the Seahawks cave to ridiculous demands, then, yeah, backlash commences, at least from me. I can't help what the media does, and they should be all over Bennet and Chancellor.

[Hawk Sista]

I read this this morning; what an effin' bummer.

[HumanCockroach]

Much ado about nothing. I could care less, unless they actually hold out, or at the very least are the ones saying that they might. The unidentified sources sharing this with "reporters" desperate to find something to print, are about as important as a gnat in the grand scheme of things.

[c_hawkbob]

I have 2 SB XLVIII jerseys. Now both guys are in the news for their contracts ...

[NorthHawk]

Stop buying SB XLVIII jerseys and maybe we can get some contracts done.

[Seahawks4Ever]

Oh, and because a Seahawk fan such as myself saw this coming we are now Seahawk "haters"????? I didn't just move here and become a fan, I was BORN here in Seattle and I have been a fan since BEFORE they played their very first game. So, don't paint everyone who saw thius coming with the same brush and say that anyone who saw this coming a "hater".

I not only saw this coming I started a thread about it. Many here in this forum disagreed with me and gave me all kinds of grief. No one is more sorry than I am to have got this one correct, I would have rather been wrong.

This did not start when the F/O caved in to Marshawn Lynch, it started when we acquired Percy Harvin and though he still had 3 years on his contract John Schneider (and Pete) decided for some reason to tear it up and give him a new one for a lot more money. How did that work out for the organization??? Did Harvin appreciate the Seahawks doing that and act accordingly??? HELL NO! But THAT was what set the precedent.

It was after that Marshawn Lynch decided he wanted more and threatened to retire if he didn't get it. The F/O caved and that sent the message to the rest of the players that if you whined loud and long enough John and Pete would cave like a house of cards.

That is when I posted my thread, and it didn't take long for M. Bennett to validate my prediction.

Russell Wilson; I stood up for RW thinking that he was a stand up guy and though he had been severely under paid he would make more money over the long run because great QB's play longer. It turns out I was WRONG! The Seahawks have not been low balling him like I thought, no, RW is being GREEDY and doesn't really care a iota for the T.E.A.M. and if he has any decent players around him.

The players on the defense have "bought in" to the pundits theory that it has been our great defense that is behind ALL of our success the last 3 years and that RW and the offense has just been along riding their coat tails.

The F/O is ultimately responsible because they are the ones that introduced the cancer that was Percy Harvin, and before they realized their mistake and got rid of him the damage was already done. Next thing you knew there were stories in the press that some Wilson's team mates resented his success, some even saying that he wasn't black "enough". Soon there were fights in the locker room, a team divided. Then, when the F/O dumps Harvin, a guy who actually had, more than once REFUSED to leave the bench and play, you actually had players such as Lynch as well as others come out and say how upset they were about how Harvin was treated by the F/O.

How about how P.H. disrespected the whole team with his antics????

The window that was open for possible more championships in this era, the Pete Carroll era just slammed shut. This team is breaking apart false pride and greed. I hope that this time I am WRONG!!!!! You have no idea how much I want to be wrong.

At least I lived long enough to see my team win at least one Super Bowl, my brother died the year after XL and would have been shocked that it took so long for them to get back.

I don't have any hope of EVER seeing the M's win the W.S. let alone play in one. BUT! I did get to see the Sonics win a championship and the Seahawks hoist the Lombardi but something tells me that is IT.

P.S. Lynch, Bennett, Wilson, and now Kam some day you guys might be thinking about what "might have been". Well, it isn't too late yet to chart a different course and fulfill what I believe could be a marvelous destiny, instead of having one ring and a whole pile of money that is probably going to end up in your ex-wifes and her lawyers (and yours) pockets.

[c_hawkbob]

Wow, back away from the ledge man.

The window hasn't slammed shut at all, these are fairly normal obstacles for a team that has our level of success with a roster so full of young players just coming due for their second contract. But we're still a young team with a very deep roster and a favorable cap outlook (yes really), the window might be fogging up a little but it's still wide open.

[NorthHawk]

Wow, back away from the ledge man.

The window hasn't slammed shut at all, these are fairly normal obstacles for a team that has our level of success with a roster so full of young players just coming due for their second contract. But we're still a young team with a very deep roster and a favorable cap outlook (yes really), the window might be fogging up a little but it's still wide open.

Exactly.

[RiverDog]

Oh, and because a Seahawk fan such as myself saw this coming we are now Seahawk "haters"????? I didn't just move here and become a fan, I was BORN here in Seattle and I have been a fan since BEFORE they played their very first game. So, don't paint everyone who saw thius coming with the same brush and say that anyone who saw this coming a "hater".

I not only saw this coming I started a thread about it. Many here in this forum disagreed with me and gave me all kinds of grief. No one is more sorry than I am to have got this one correct, I would have rather been wrong.

This did not start when the F/O caved in to Marshawn Lynch, it started when we acquired Percy Harvin and though he still had 3 years on his contract John Schneider (and Pete) decided for some reason to tear it up and give him a new one for a lot more money. How did that work out for the organization??? Did Harvin appreciate the Seahawks doing that and act accordingly??? HELL NO! But THAT was what set the precedent.

It was after that Marshawn Lynch decided he wanted more and threatened to retire if he didn't get it. The F/O caved and that sent the message to the rest of the players that if you whined loud and long enough John and Pete would cave like a house of cards.

That is when I posted my thread, and it didn't take long for M. Bennett to validate my prediction.

Russell Wilson; I stood up for RW thinking that he was a stand up guy and though he had been severely under paid he would make more money over the long run because great QB's play longer. It turns out I was WRONG! The Seahawks have not been low balling him like I thought, no, RW is being GREEDY and doesn't really care a iota for the T.E.A.M. and if he has any decent players around him.

The players on the defense have "bought in" to the pundits theory that it has been our great defense that is behind ALL of our success the last 3 years and that RW and the offense has just been along riding their coat tails.

The F/O is ultimately responsible because they are the ones that introduced the cancer that was Percy Harvin, and before they realized their mistake and got rid of him the damage was already done. Next thing you knew there were stories in the press that some Wilson's team mates resented his success, some even saying that he wasn't black "enough". Soon there were fights in the locker room, a team divided. Then, when the F/O dumps Harvin, a guy who actually had, more than once REFUSED to leave the bench and play, you actually had players such as Lynch as well as others come out and say how upset they were about how Harvin was treated by the F/O.

How about how P.H. disrespected the whole team with his antics????

The window that was open for possible more championships in this era, the Pete Carroll era just slammed shut. This team is breaking apart false pride and greed. I hope that this time I am WRONG!!!!! You have no idea how much I want to be wrong.

At least I lived long enough to see my team win at least one Super Bowl, my brother died the year after XL and would have been shocked that it took so long for them to get back.

I don't have any hope of EVER seeing the M's win the W.S. let alone play in one. BUT! I did get to see the Sonics win a championship and the Seahawks hoist the Lombardi but something tells me that is IT.

P.S. Lynch, Bennett, Wilson, and now Kam some day you guys might be thinking about what "might have been". Well, it isn't too late yet to chart a different course and fulfill what I believe could be a marvelous destiny, instead of having one ring and a whole pile of money that is probably going to end up in your ex-wifes and her lawyers (and yours) pockets.

Wow, nice rant!

I share a lot of your sentiments, particularly those about the Harvin trade. It's the worst mistake Pete Carroll has made since he arrived and the worst trade in franchise history. I hated it from the day the rumors first started.

I saw the Sonics' championship season in 1979, too, even attended one of the games of the final series, held in the Kingdome. And yes, the Mariners seem destined to be the AL's version of the Chicago Cubs.

But even though I share a lot of your pessimism about the Hawk's current status, I'm not ready to give up, not for one minute. I am still optimistic about this season and can't wait for it to get going. Even with all of our troubles and all of these open mouths to feed, we're still the smart bet for returning to the SB for the 3rd straight year, the first time that's been done since Buffalo went to 4 in a row 25 or so years ago.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Hey Seahawks4Ever,

Didn't mean for Seahawks fans to be included as haters. I think all of us expected this sort of thing. I was talking about non-fans and fans of other teams that would love to see the ride come to an end.

No disrespect intended, sir, especially to someone who's been backing them far longer than myself.

And I can't take exception to any part of your thesis; I hope, like you, these guys we'll realize the golden opportunity they have to leave behind a great legacy instead of chasing top dollar.

Cheers.

[Anthony]

Oh, and because a Seahawk fan such as myself saw this coming we are now Seahawk "haters"????? I didn't just move here and become a fan, I was BORN here in Seattle and I have been a fan since BEFORE they played their very first game. So, don't paint everyone who saw thius coming with the same brush and say that anyone who saw this coming a "hater".

I not only saw this coming I started a thread about it. Many here in this forum disagreed with me and gave me all kinds of grief. No one is more sorry than I am to have got this one correct, I would have rather been wrong.

This did not start when the F/O caved in to Marshawn Lynch, it started when we acquired Percy Harvin and though he still had 3 years on his contract John Schneider (and Pete) decided for some reason to tear it up and give him a new one for a lot more money. How did that work out for the organization??? Did Harvin appreciate the Seahawks doing that and act accordingly??? HELL NO! But THAT was what set the precedent.

It was after that Marshawn Lynch decided he wanted more and threatened to retire if he didn't get it. The F/O caved and that sent the message to the rest of the players that if you whined loud and long enough John and Pete would cave like a house of cards.

That is when I posted my thread, and it didn't take long for M. Bennett to validate my prediction.

Russell Wilson; I stood up for RW thinking that he was a stand up guy and though he had been severely under paid he would make more money over the long run because great QB's play longer. It turns out I was WRONG! The Seahawks have not been low balling him like I thought, no, RW is being GREEDY and doesn't really care a iota for the T.E.A.M. and if he has any decent players around him.

The players on the defense have "bought in" to the pundits theory that it has been our great defense that is behind ALL of our success the last 3 years and that RW and the offense has just been along riding their coat tails.

The F/O is ultimately responsible because they are the ones that introduced the cancer that was Percy Harvin, and before they realized their mistake and got rid of him the damage was already done. Next thing you knew there were stories in the press that some Wilson's team mates resented his success, some even saying that he wasn't black "enough". Soon there were fights in the locker room, a team divided. Then, when the F/O dumps Harvin, a guy who actually had, more than once REFUSED to leave the bench and play, you actually had players such as Lynch as well as others come out and say how upset they were about how Harvin was treated by the F/O.

How about how P.H. disrespected the whole team with his antics????

The window that was open for possible more championships in this era, the Pete Carroll era just slammed shut. This team is breaking apart false pride and greed. I hope that this time I am WRONG!!!!! You have no idea how much I want to be wrong.

At least I lived long enough to see my team win at least one Super Bowl, my brother died the year after XL and would have been shocked that it took so long for them to get back.

I don't have any hope of EVER seeing the M's win the W.S. let alone play in one. BUT! I did get to see the Sonics win a championship and the Seahawks hoist the Lombardi but something tells me that is IT.

P.S. Lynch, Bennett, Wilson, and now Kam some day you guys might be thinking about what "might have been". Well, it isn't too late yet to chart a different course and fulfill what I believe could be a marvelous destiny, instead of having one ring and a whole pile of money that is probably going to end up in your ex-wifes and her lawyers (and yours) pockets.

So I will only say this it is great you can make these comments about Wilson even though you really do not know what is being offered but les say the latest is correct, a deal worth under 21 mil a year so less than Newton, with less up front money, way less guarantees but you are okay with the FO low balling him, you would prefer to get down on Wilson. So I guess Wilson should not try to get the going rate. I understand being upset with the 2 guys how still have several years left on their contract, but Wilson who has already said he will play his last year out without holding out is the one you want to go at. wow

[NorthHawk]

Way to hijack a thread.

I think it's obvious that Wilson's plan is to test FA regardless of the offer, but I think it's bad advice.

Here's my reasoning.
If he signed for $21.5 million, that money would be in his bank/investment account that could be making interest.
So if he had $15 million left after expenses and such and he got a conservative 5% return, that's another $750,000.

That means he would have to make up the $20,750,000 when he did sign a contract.
On a 5 year deal, that would be more than $4 million per year.
With a tag, he only makes up about 4 million that first year. He still has to make up the 16 - 17 million when he finally signs a deal.

I'm not sure there are very many teams that will be willing to pay $25,000,000 for him.
With the perception out there that he can't carry a team like Rodgers or Brady, I think it's a dangerous financial game for him to play.

We'll see how it plays out, I guess. There's not much we can do but watch.

[Hawktawk]

Russ was getting low balled, period, especially on the guaranteed money. Hes going to play his 4th season in the league for 1.5 million and there is no way he will hold out or be disgruntled.I believe it is a distinct possibility this is his last year in a Hawks uniform though. But hes going to honor his peanuts deal and hes supposedly the selfish greedy one. So I'm starting to get a little agitated with these other guys who will be paid more this season alone than Wilson will have made in HIS ENTIRE CAREER, guys who signed on the dotted line and cashed the checks.I agree Harvin was a disaster financially although he was a huge part of the SB win. However caving to Lynch in my mind was what let the genie out of the bottle with the renegotiating frenzy.

[Anthony]

Way to hijack a thread.

I think it's obvious that Wilson's plan is to test FA regardless of the offer, but I think it's bad advice.

Here's my reasoning.
If he signed for $21.5 million, that money would be in his bank/investment account that could be making interest.
So if he had $15 million left after expenses and such and he got a conservative 5% return, that's another $750,000.

That means he would have to make up the $20,750,000 when he did sign a contract.
On a 5 year deal, that would be more than $4 million per year.
With a tag, he only makes up about 4 million that first year. He still has to make up the 16 - 17 million when he finally signs a deal.

I'm not sure there are very many teams that will be willing to pay $25,000,000 for him.
With the perception out there that he can't carry a team like Rodgers or Brady, I think it's a dangerous financial game for him to play.

We'll see how it plays out, I guess. There's not much we can do but watch.

Well for one it is not obvious at all that he wants to test FA. The issue continues to be guarantees and up front money. The hawks are offering less upfront then Newton by over 10 mi, and while the guarantees seem high, at 60 mil according to Clayton most of that 80% are injury only guarantees. Newtons 50+ guarantees are not injury only. So sorry this is all on the FO if what we are hearing is correct.

[NorthHawk]

Show me the contract offer, and demands, Anthony.
None of us know what has been offered or demanded. That is the only thing we do know.

My opinion is it will be a mistake to turn down what is expected to be an offer around 21 million per year as it will be difficult to make up the lost $ over the next contract - whoever it's with.

[Anthony]

Show me the contract offer, and demands, Anthony.
None of us know what has been offered or demanded. That is the only thing we do know.

My opinion is it will be a mistake to turn down what is expected to be an offer around 21 million per year as it will be difficult to make up the lost $ over the next contract - whoever it's with.

You just got on me for not showing you an offer or demands but then go on to say turn down an expected offer, really, what proof is there they are making that offer. Mind you you show it you just proved what I was saying right. NO tot mention it is all over the net what they thing is being offered if what they think is right they are low balling

[NorthHawk]

Dood.
First of all I didn't make any absolute statement like you did. How do you know he's being offered less than Newton?
Second, most of the better QBs will get between 18 - 21 million if they have won a Super Bowl, maybe more.
That's where I got my figures from.
Where did you get your info from?

[Anthony]

Dood.
First of all I didn't make any absolute statement like you did. How do you know he's being offered less than Newton?
Second, most of the better QBs will get between 18 - 21 million if they have won a Super Bowl, maybe more.
That's where I got my figures from.
Where did you get your info from?

The same place you did it is all over the media it is almost 2 1mil a year, less than 20 mil up front and 60 mil guaranteed but 80% of that is injury only and that is the hold up. As far as your numbers they are even more of an assumption that the medias.

[HumanCockroach]

Why does every thread discussing another player turn into a thread about Wilson? Why do people feel the need to "disrespect" a player the caliber of Chancellor or Bennett or Lynch, by bringing in a player the thread us not about? Obviously no one appreciates the greatness if these players.

As for the "peanuts" contract, NOT Seattle's choice, put that statement to bed. As for the "offer" to Wilson, seems to ne someone loves lambasting posters who feel Wilson is being "greedy" based on news reports, and then turns around and claims "low balling" based on the SAME reports. Christ, the ONLY thing that IS known, is no one knows what has been offered.

By the way, Clayton ALSO said Seattle's offer was MORE than fair, and Wilson would be foolish to not sign it. That his value actually DECREASES the longer he goes, not vice versa. So IF he is a source being used to prove or validate a stance, you might want to avoid using him for doing so.

Truth is, Seattle has made a fair offer, but it is not what Wilson wants, it makes NEITHER side greedy or stingy, it makes it a " negotiation" and there was ZERO reason for Wilson to sign an offer before now anyway, regardless if how fair it was. WTF would he limit his ability to raise his earnings by signing the first offer presented to him, fair or not?

[NorthHawk]

"NorthHawk wrote:
Dood.
First of all I didn't make any absolute statement like you did. How do you know he's being offered less than Newton?
Second, most of the better QBs will get between 18 - 21 million if they have won a Super Bowl, maybe more.
That's where I got my figures from.
Where did you get your info from?



The same place you did it is all over the media it is almost 2 1mil a year, less than 20 mil up front and 60 mil guaranteed but 80% of that is injury only and that is the hold up. As far as your numbers they are even more of an assumption that the medias."

Ahh, not really.
Flacco gets about 20 million/year on a contract signed in 2013.
Aaron Rodgers gets about 22 million/year on a contract signed in 2013.
Drew Brees gets about 20 Million/year on a contract signed in 2012.
Newton gets $20,760,000/year on a contract signed just this year.

So guessing at about 21 million/year offer considering it's 2 years after Flacco and Rodgers wouldn't be that much of a stretch. It might even be conservative.
You, on the other hand, were just parroting someone on the Internet claiming he was offered less than Newton with no proven basis in fact which is strange as in previous threads you have suggested the media know very little.

[obiken]

Whats happing to all of us is a loss of illusion on these guys. We always thought it was more about the titles than the money, not anymore.

[Anthony]

"NorthHawk wrote:
Dood.
First of all I didn't make any absolute statement like you did. How do you know he's being offered less than Newton?
Second, most of the better QBs will get between 18 - 21 million if they have won a Super Bowl, maybe more.
That's where I got my figures from.
Where did you get your info from?



The same place you did it is all over the media it is almost 2 1mil a year, less than 20 mil up front and 60 mil guaranteed but 80% of that is injury only and that is the hold up. As far as your numbers they are even more of an assumption that the medias."

Ahh, not really.
Flacco gets about 20 million/year on a contract signed in 2013.
Aaron Rodgers gets about 22 million/year on a contract signed in 2013.
Drew Brees gets about 20 Million/year on a contract signed in 2012.
Newton gets $20,760,000/year on a contract signed just this year.

So guessing at about 21 million/year offer considering it's 2 years after Flacco and Rodgers wouldn't be that much of a stretch. It might even be conservative.
You, on the other hand, were just parroting someone on the Internet claiming he was offered less than Newton with no proven basis in fact which is strange as in previous threads you have suggested the media know very little.

So you admit you are guessing and again as has been reported the hold is not salary but guarantees. AS of now mos tof the guarantees are for injury.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... teed-money

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seah ... n-impasse/

"Sources familiar with the situation say Wilson would make (under the latest offer) below $20 million cash up front,” he wrote. “Those in Seattle say there are significant guarantees, but most of the guarantees are simply for injury only.”"

http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/2015 ... ll-wilson/

http://sportsnaut.com/2015/07/russell-w ... eed-money/

Enough said

[obiken]

Ok to get back on track Kam is out and I don't agree with it. I am getting of the ego maniacs who have to be the highest paid at their position. Come on be a team player you signed a 7 mill deal live up to it. I love you to death but get your butt to work. My daddy was a life long FDR Democrat who said no worky no eaty.

[c_hawkbob]

I see a lot of hate pointed at Russ for what he's reported to be asking in his next deal, yet he has no problem playing out his current deal as the most underpaid player in the NFL and is still a full participant in all team activities, both mandatory and voluntary (not to mention leading his own voluntary activities) and will be the same vital leader on and off the field throughout all of his negotiations.

It's about time some of that negative attention were directed at guys being disruptive and threatening holdouts (or actually holding out) while under contracts that are already much more fair than Russel's.

Disappointing that a deal ain't done to pay him what he's worth and lock him up as a Seahawk, but still firmly in Mr Wilson's corner ... that's all I got.

[RiverDog]

Well, I'm not firmly in Russell's corner until I know for sure what it is he's been turning down and what his objective is. But I do agree that our scorn should be directed more at players like Kam and Bennett that are already under contract and still threatening holdouts.

[NorthHawk]

Postby Anthony » Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:01 am

NorthHawk wrote:
"NorthHawk wrote:
Dood.
First of all I didn't make any absolute statement like you did. How do you know he's being offered less than Newton?
Second, most of the better QBs will get between 18 - 21 million if they have won a Super Bowl, maybe more.
That's where I got my figures from.
Where did you get your info from?



The same place you did it is all over the media it is almost 2 1mil a year, less than 20 mil up front and 60 mil guaranteed but 80% of that is injury only and that is the hold up. As far as your numbers they are even more of an assumption that the medias."

Ahh, not really.
Flacco gets about 20 million/year on a contract signed in 2013.
Aaron Rodgers gets about 22 million/year on a contract signed in 2013.
Drew Brees gets about 20 Million/year on a contract signed in 2012.
Newton gets $20,760,000/year on a contract signed just this year.

So guessing at about 21 million/year offer considering it's 2 years after Flacco and Rodgers wouldn't be that much of a stretch. It might even be conservative.
You, on the other hand, were just parroting someone on the Internet claiming he was offered less than Newton with no proven basis in fact which is strange as in previous threads you have suggested the media know very little.




So you admit you are guessing and again as has been reported the hold is not salary but guarantees. AS of now mos tof the guarantees are for injury.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... teed-money

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seah ... n-impasse/

"Sources familiar with the situation say Wilson would make (under the latest offer) below $20 million cash up front,” he wrote. “Those in Seattle say there are significant guarantees, but most of the guarantees are simply for injury only.”"

http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/2015 ... ll-wilson/

http://sportsnaut.com/2015/07/russell-w ... eed-money/

Enough said

So I was close. He got 21.9 in new money.
So much for your whining.

[Anthony]

Does not matter any more he is signed enough said

[Feez]

Personally as Banged up as he was all last season I think Kam just wants a little more time off before he has to start putting the wear and tear back on his body. He has 2 years after this season on his contract meaning he has no leverage. he is not a dumb guy he has to know this. I think like Bennett the front office will largely ignore him and any talk of talks about more money because they can. he will get a little more time to rest and report once the threat of fines comes into play. the media is stirring sh*t as usual pay it no mind I am sure his team mates aren't

[Hawktown]

Does not matter any more he is signed enough said

LOL!!!

[NorthHawk]

Personally as Banged up as he was all last season I think Kam just wants a little more time off before he has to start putting the wear and tear back on his body. He has 2 years after this season on his contract meaning he has no leverage. he is not a dumb guy he has to know this. I think like Bennett the front office will largely ignore him and any talk of talks about more money because they can. he will get a little more time to rest and report once the threat of fines comes into play. the media is stirring sh*t as usual pay it no mind I am sure his team mates aren't

Yeah.
I think sometimes we forget they played a lot of meaningful football the last 2 years.
38 games is a lot over 2 seasons and it is a lot of wear and tear.
However, I don't think losing $30,000 per day of TC is the way to show you need or want more money.
If I were the team, I would like to think I could suggest to him that they might be able to work something out after this year when a lot of CAP space should open up not to mention he will have played 3 of the 5 year deal. Maybe a 3 year extension with more money (with the associated extra guaranteed salary).