we settle the debate: who are the worst 10 qbs in the league

[rottweiler]

Take everything into consideration — mechanics, attitude, leadership, temperament, resiliency. Heck, even the guy's haircut, if you want.

I haven't yet looked at any of the 2015 pro football guides (i.e. Lindy's, etc.) yet, so I'm not even sure if some of the following clowns are still playing, but here's my list, in no specific order:

1. Cam Newton. His professional career seems to have ended at the University of Auburn.

2. Jay Cutler. Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit's JEFF GEORGE!!!

3. RGIII. Seriously, can this guy last a full season?

4. Matt Ryan. A weak-armed "system guy" who proved in 2014 that he's nothing without an all-star receiving cast. (Ahem, Tony Gonzalez.)

5. Andy Dalton. Cannot win the big games, at home or abroad. Not a leader. He sucks.

6. Geno Smith. Granted, he's a frick'n Jet, but so what? He couldn't lead any other team deep into the playoffs, either. He sucks.

7. Mark Sanchez. He's a lot like a Hollywood child star who burnt out after having flown too close to the sun. The only difference is that he's supposed to be resilient enough to be an NFL QB. And he's not. That's because he sucks.

8. Ryan Mallett. Like Jay Cutler and Cam Newton, he has a cannon for an arm. Also like Cutler and Newton, he, too, is not a leader. He sucks.

9. Whoever's QBing for the Raiders right now; I've lost track — because they all suck.

10. Tim Tebow. His BS rhetoric aside, he is not a team player. His mechanics suck. And though his leaderhip traits may have been perfect in the NCAA ranks, they are not suited for the NFL. In short, he sucks. Walk on home, boy.

[burrrton]

Heh. I like it, rott. Let me ponder my choices...

I hate harshing on guys for simply being only good enough to make the NFL but not good enough to excel at it, so my criteria will be based on who, IMO, has the biggest delta between reputation and/or expectations and ability.

[Distant Relative]

Its gotta be RG3!

What a bust.

[RiverDog]

Hey, Rott! Good to see you back! You had me worried.

Tebow is by far the worst QB on that list.

[Oly]

A rott sighting! All is well in forum-land again.

I'm with RD: Tebow is easily the worst on the list.

[rottweiler]

Yes, my fellow kennel barkers, I am back. Thanks for the love, the bath and the intense scratches behind the ears.

I figured what what better way to come back than to talk about NFL QBs who are rotting before our very eyes.

Would anyone dare to argue that any of the QBs on the poll are actually any good?

Take it a step further: (If say, Russell Wilson weren't around,) Would anyone here actually want any of the clowns on this poll taking the snaps as the starting QB of the Seahawks???

Oh by the way, I voted for Jay Cutler myself because I just don't see his ever taking any team for which he is QBing on a deep playoff run.

His mechanics may be amazing, his arm strength more powerful than a .50 caliber rifle. But Cutler is not a leader in any sense of the word.

[NorthHawk]

Welcome back, Rott.
I hope you're out of the kennel for good now.

I voted for Tebow simply because he isn't a good QB. He's a tremendous athlete and probably a good inspiration for some, but he hasn't shown to be accurate enough to play in the NFL.
I'm not sure he can even make all the throws as the others can.

[Hawktawk]

Tebow won a playoff game, thats more than some of those guys can say so no way hes the worst QB. The feedback from Eagles camp is that he is much improved with his mechanics. Also its rumored Bradford is far from being ready to play so its Sanchez and Tebow just like the good old days. the difference is Kelley wanted Tebow, Ryan didn't. And this is an offense that is tailor made for Tebows skill set.So we will see. I'm not an I told you so guy but if Tebow resurrects his career You are going to be hearing it....

[RiverDog]

Tebow won a playoff game, thats more than some of those guys can say so no way hes the worst QB. The feedback from Eagles camp is that he is much improved with his mechanics. Also its rumored Bradford is far from being ready to play so its Sanchez and Tebow just like the good old days. the difference is Kelley wanted Tebow, Ryan didn't. And this is an offense that is tailor made for Tebows skill set.So we will see. I'm not an I told you so guy but if Tebow resurrects his career You are going to be hearing it....

So since Tebow won a single playoff game there's no way we can consider him the worst? He wins one playoff game so we are supposed to forget that he was rejected in Denver, forget about his awful experience with the Jets, forget about his sub 50% career completion percentage, forget about his God awful mechanics, and forget the fact that despite his intense lobbying, that he went two full seasons unemployed? How many other quarterbacks on that list went unemployed for two seasons?

Where did you hear that Bradford is "far from ready to play"? I saw that he worked out in 7-on-7 drills but sat out the full scrimmages during OTA's, not a huge surprise for a quarterback that hasn't seen a regular season snap for 20 months. Nothing has been said about Bradford being behind schedule in his rehab or that he's anything less than the presumptive starter.

I'll be the first to eat crow and give you your due if Tebow makes a significant contribution to the Eagles this season. But don't hold your breath.

[RiverDog]

Yes, my fellow kennel barkers, I am back. Thanks for the love, the bath and the intense scratches behind the ears.

I figured what what better way to come back than to talk about NFL QBs who are rotting before our very eyes.

Would anyone dare to argue that any of the QBs on the poll are actually any good?

Take it a step further: (If say, Russell Wilson weren't around,) Would anyone here actually want any of the clowns on this poll taking the snaps as the starting QB of the Seahawks???

Oh by the way, I voted for Jay Cutler myself because I just don't see his ever taking any team for which he is QBing on a deep playoff run.

His mechanics may be amazing, his arm strength more powerful than a .50 caliber rifle. But Cutler is not a leader in any sense of the word.

IMO you can make a strong argument for Matt Ryan not belonging on that list. He's not a Pro Bowler, but he's a solid starter, pops up occasionally in a Top 10 list. Newton and Dalton are still works in progress and both have shown occasional flashes of brilliance. Sanchez actually played fairly well last season but he's not the answer for the Eagles. Mallett hasn't had much of a chance yet and unlike all the others, wasn't a first round pick.

Agreed about Cutler.

[HumanCockroach]

Could have sworn Sanchise won more than one playoff game, and went to back to back AFC championships. You won't see arguing he shouldn't be listed, Hawk. Winning a few games while stinking up the field for 55 minutes doesn't exclude a player from a list like this.

[Hawk Sista]

I voted for Timmy Tebow. Unless something drastic changes, he just ain't an NFL QB... No matter how many games he won.

Derek Carr of the Raiders (ahemmm - Fresno State bulldog - hello Rott is pretty good on a piss poor squad. I think he, Cam and Ryan are the best of that lot by far. I actually thin Ryan is a top 10 QB.

We will see what CK7 can do this year. If he cannot learn to go through his reads, I'd put him in the lower tier, but maybe that's the hate talking. RG3 looked painfully bad and nobody on his team seems to like him. I think he's done. Manziel should be an option too. I don't think many consider him having a ceiling that's very high. I wish him well on his wagon train.

[RiverDog]

I voted for Timmy Tebow. Unless something drastic changes, he just ain't an NFL QB... No matter how many games he won.

Derek Carr of the Raiders (ahemmm - Fresno State bulldog - hello Rott is pretty good on a piss poor squad. I think he, Cam and Ryan are the best of that lot by far. I actually thin Ryan is a top 10 QB.

We will see what CK7 can do this year. If he cannot learn to go through his reads, I'd put him in the lower tier, but maybe that's the hate talking. RG3 looked painfully bad and nobody on his team seems to like him. I think he's done. Manziel should be an option too. I don't think many consider him having a ceiling that's very high. I wish him well on his wagon train.

I was going to say something about Carr. Although not mentioned by name, no way does he deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with Tebow.

Good call on Johnny Football. He should be included on that list, too.

[kalibane]

Cam and Ryan don't belong any where near that list. I refuse to even acknowledge the guy who has the most votes.

I think of the possible starting QBs this year I have to write in either Johnny Manziel or Zach Mettenberger (if they decide to not throw Mariotta in there from day one)

RG3 looked painfully bad and nobody on his team seems to like him. I think he's done.

I've heard this thought echoed by some coaches and execs who think that until he humbles himself and starts accepting responsibility for his mistakes that he will never be able to lead the locker room or rejuvenate his stalled career.

Sad because he has all the tools and he's smart. As much as I dislike some of Kaep's personality traits even he has enough integrity to humble himself enough to work hard on where he's weak .

[RiverDog]

Cam and Ryan don't belong any where near that list. I refuse to even acknowledge the guy who has the most votes.

I think of the possible starting QBs this year I have to write in either Johnny Manziel or Zach Mettenberger (if they decide to not throw Mariotta in there from day one)

"RG3 looked painfully bad and nobody on his team seems to like him. I think he's done."

I've heard this thought echoed by some coaches and execs who think that until he humbles himself and starts accepting responsibility for his mistakes that he will never be able to lead the locker room or rejuvenate his stalled career.

Sad because he has all the tools and he's smart. As much as I dislike some of Kaep's personality traits even he has enough integrity to humble himself enough to work hard on where he's weak .

I don't think Dalton belongs on that list, either. True, he hasn't taken that next step, not unlike a lot of young starting quarterbacks, but he shouldn't be included on a top 10 worst list.

Agreed about RG3. I'll have to admit, I didn't think I'd ever hear questions raised about his leadership ability.

[HumanCockroach]

Dalton is typically used as the median when evaluating QB ability, or is or has often been referred to as such. If the QB a franchise has is equal to or greater than Dalton production wise, they are a franchise caliber QB if less than, a new Qb is needed. It makes me feel he may indeed be the very bottom of a Franchise QB list, but still on the list, none the less.

[Hawk Sista]

For 2015, this is about how I'd rank em. I didn't put a ton of thought into it.... Yeah, there's homerism.


Wilson
Rogers
Luck
Rothlisburger
P. Manning
Brees
Ryan
Brady
E. Manning
Rivers
Tannehill
Newton
Stafford
Flacco
CK7
Palmer
Dalton
Foles
Bradford
A. Smith
Carr
Bridgewater
Romo
Cutler
Mariota
Winston
G. Smith
RG3
Mallet
Fitzpatrick
Bortles
Manziel

[kalibane]

Nice list Sis...

Homerism aside the only things I really disagree with are:

1. Romo should be higher. I don't care how many time's he's choked, there is no way I'd take Kaep, Dalton, Smith, Bradford, Foles, Carr or Bridgwater above him based on what they've shown us up to this point. He's legitimately a good QB.

2. Tannehill would be lower. He's definitely not been better than Cam, Stafford or Flacco up to this point.

Maybe Tannehill, Carr and Bridgwater make a leap this year but they haven't proven it yet.

[c_hawkbob]

I'd put our guy 4th behind Rogers, Brady, Rivers and Brees (tied with Breeze works too, I think Russell now having Breezes deep threat might switch the two).

I agree Romo should be higher, but not as high as a lot of people are touting him all the sudden.

I think Tannehill is better than you're giving him credit for Kal, he's not only shown well but he's shown steady improvement, I think he only continues to get better. I'd take him over Cam but maybe not Flacco. He and Stafford are pretty even IMO.

Johnny Football? ... no way he's a starter, barring injury.

[RiverDog]

I'd put Russell somewhere between 4th and 6th below Rodgers, Brady, Brees, perhaps Rivers and Peyton. Romo, Ryan, Flacco, and Worthlessburger would be below Russell in the 2nd 5. Stafford, Kaep, Dalton, Eli, Tannehill, et al would not make my top 10. Johnny Football and RG3 have to be near the bottom, assuming both start.

[Hawk Sista]

The homerism (or bias) didn't start or stop w/ RW. That said, I think Romo and Dez, good as they are, were helped a LOT by a strong running game. Call me a skeptic, but imho, run DMC ain't gonna best the league in rushing yardage. I think the Cowboys (maybe it's more that I HOPE the Cowboys) fall back to earth and are the .500 team they have been. But I see your point.

I would bet $ on tannehill being a top 12 QB this season, if only for fantasy.

[Hawk Sista]

And a final addition.... ranking QBs is tough. I used the mental rubric of who I'd want to lead my team. Depending on what lens you use, the lists shake out differently. Stafford, for example can put up mighty big #s, but he lacks the noggin that RW, Rogers, brees & Brady have. If it all comes down to winning Seahawk football, I'd take RW over anyone. If we had a better line and WRs that changes. Making sense??

[c_hawkbob]

Makes perfect sense to me Sis. I understood your rubric (cool word BTW, made use the google on it), and by that criteria I wouldn't trade Russ for anyone in the league either. I was ranking them as they are right now in their respective careers. Russ I honestly believe has the potential be the best ever one day (and there's no way I'd want to see that happen for another team!) but today, this season, I can't put him #1.

[RiverDog]

And a final addition.... ranking QBs is tough. I used the mental rubric of who I'd want to lead my team. Depending on what lens you use, the lists shake out differently. Stafford, for example can put up mighty big #s, but he lacks the noggin that RW, Rogers, brees & Brady have. If it all comes down to winning Seahawk football, I'd take RW over anyone. If we had a better line and WRs that changes. Making sense??

I agree, but that's not how I understood the proposition. If you put it as you did, ie who would you want to quarterback our football team, then like you, I'd take Russell every day of the week and twice on Sundays. But if you were to go by the OP, or rather the polar opposite of the OP as the discussion had turned, you absolutely have to rank Aaron Rodgers as the best by almost any metric. I don't think there is anyone outside of Twelveland that would argue for Russell at the top spot, or even the top 3.

[Hawk Sista]

Great points, guys... It's why I took a second to explain my thinking. There are so many ways to judge: yardage, wins, TDs, QBR, fantasy, etc..... Just thought I'd add that I was ranking who I'd want to QB the Hawks in the upcoming year. Admittedly- it's biased (which I own proudly;-).

[c_hawkbob]

It's such a lovely bias.

[Hawk Sista]

You have a nice bias too, Bobby.

[Hawk Sista]

Because it's all about that bias, bout that bias....no logic. There's a song in there

[kalibane]

I think Tannehill is better than you're giving him credit for Kal, he's not only shown well but he's shown steady improvement, I think he only continues to get better. I'd take him over Cam but maybe not Flacco. He and Stafford are pretty even IMO.

I don't think I am. Tannehill can't get the ball down the field reliably, not because he doesn't have the arm but because his downfield accuracy has been terrible and until he can round out that part of his game he'll never be able to guide a consistent passing game.

I think you are underselling Cam. We all talk about how Wilson has never had weapons in the passing game. Cam's weapons have been nearly as bad. His Offensive line (especially last year) was as bad as the Seahawks and they don't have Marshawn Lynch. If you actually sit down and watch some Panthers games you will see how much Cam means to that offense and the kinds of big time plays he makes week in and week out.

There is a reason why Cam Newton got 5 million more per season and 10 million more in guaranteed money than Tannehill received when both got extensions this offseason.

[RiverDog]

There is a reason why Cam Newton got 5 million more per season and 10 million more in guaranteed money than Tannehill received when both got extensions this offseason.

The reason these contracts happen has nearly as much to do with timing and potential as it does other factors. Joe Flacco is a prime example. He has one very good season in which he wins a SB and it just happens to be his contract year. A few months before he won the SB, there was a serious discussion by the Ravens of cutting bait and going in a different direction. You can't tell me that Flacco is a better QB than Drew Brees or Peyton Manning.

Both Tannehill and Newton were given those contracts based more on their potential vs their past performance. Same with Crapperdick. Why else would the Bears pay Jay Cutler what they're paying him? The answer is the timing of their deals and the fact that their teams didn't have a lot of good options.

In all of professional sports, the NFL quarterback is in biggest seller's market, extremely high demand, extremely low supply.

[kalibane]

Flacco got his money after better QBs were in contracts. Tannehill and Newton got contracts in the same offseason. They had the same market.

Of course contracts are based on potential, they are with everyone but that's also why Tannehill's contract is structured like Kaepernicks where the team can get out from under the contract painlessly where as Newton's contract is structured more like the Brees and Rodgers contract.

He is simply the better player right now and a safer bet.

[Hawktawk]

Stats be damned nobody is above Russ in my book. Call it homerism or whatever you want. Hes the winningest QB in league history first 3 years and holds several other NFL and team records. He already has more comeback wins than Rodgers. Manning is a shell of himself, 2015 is going to be ugly for him. Honestly Brady isn't far behind. The real healthy LOB would have torn him a new one. Luck, well hes star wars 2 only not as careful with the ball as Manning was in his prime. What you see from him is what you will always get, a guy with great tools who will never quite be the sum of his parts. Rodgers? Thats a tough one to justify ranking wise. Its the intangibles, the leadership, attitude, and confidence that sets Russ apart from the temperamental blame game playing Rodgers. Nobody else is in the discussion

[RiverDog]

Flacco got his money after better QBs were in contracts. Tannehill and Newton got contracts in the same offseason. They had the same market.

Of course contracts are based on potential, they are with everyone but that's also why Tannehill's contract is structured like Kaepernicks where the team can get out from under the contract painlessly where as Newton's contract is structured more like the Brees and Rodgers contract.

He is simply the better player right now and a safer bet.

Flacco got his money, or at least a substantial chunk of it, because his best season, at least in terms of team success, came during his contract year. He's never been considered in the top 5 or even the top 10 QB's in the league, yet the Ravens had no choice but to resign him to an over priced contract. Not many teams choose to part ways with even a mediocre veteran like Flacco unless they're old ala Favre, McNabb, Manning, or have a viable replacement ready to go, like the Niners had with Alex Smith.

These outrageous contracts are being driven by high demand and low supply, more so with quarterbacks than any other position.

[kalibane]

In order for what you're saying to make sense, Cam Newton would have had to have more leverage than Ryan Tannehil and that is simply not the case.

Joe Flacco had a perfect storm of circumstances, a lot like Shaun Alexander did in 2005. He had a nearly flawless post-season run and won a Super Bowl, he was an unrestricted FA and Baltimore couldn't afford to use the franchise tag. None of that applies to Cam or Tannehill.

Your comparison just doesn't wash. Tannehill and Newton were both still under contract and Carolina has more than enough room under the cap to tag Newton after the season was over if they needed to because Dave Gettleman spent the past two years clearing the Panthers cap of bad contracts. Particularly last year which is why they took such a huge step back as a team.

Both QBs were negotiating from the same position during the same market time frame and one got substantially more money, guarantees and security. The reason why is Cam Newton is the better player even if his stats weren't pretty trying to drag that dog of an offensive team up and down the field last year.