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by **savvyman** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 6:59 am

Greedy, Selfish AND Dumb Russell Wilson and his Agent.

Almost brings a tear to my eye when I was reading about the kind-hearted man who has become like "Daddy" to Russell Wilson. The article explores in depth how the relationship between Russell and Daddy was forged over time.

Now that I have a better understanding of the back story of the touching relationship between Russell and his agent, I am much more inclined to support their attempts to squeeze the balls of my beloved Seahawks so hard in order for Russell to receive a contract that will cripple the Salary cap of the team for the remainder of Pete's career and make it much more impossible to pay the other quality players it takes to compete for a championship each year.

Get out your Hanky's boys before you click on the link to this story.

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/agent-mark-rodgers-a-father-figure-to-seahawks-qb-russell-wilson/

by **NorthHawk** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:02 am

Some quotes from the article that might help understand the impasse.

“Mark has a strong conviction about what a player’s ultimate ceiling might be in a world where the player performs well, stays healthy and reaches free agency,’’ Cubs president Theo Epstein wrote in an e-mail to the Times. “That is always his starting position in a negotiation. His clients tend to be confident and competitive, and may consider betting on themselves with Mark’s help despite the risks involved.’’

Rodgers protests, though, that the perception of him as simply a baseball agent now trying to make his way in football is mistaken. Instead, he says his baseball experience has allowed him to see the value in letting players test the open market.

“If I was going to criticize anything in the NFL, people in general don’t put enough value in free agency,’’ Rodgers said. “They don’t really wrap their arms around the idea of the kind of leverage and opportunity that it presents for their clients, because at the end of the day, the only way to truly find out a player’s value is to take them into a free market and let the bidding begin.’’

(Wilson on the negotiations)
But he’s mostly leaving it to Rodgers, saying, “He is the most organized person I know, the most dedicated person I know, the most loyal person I know. I think all of those things play into the whole of my relationship with him and my trust in the process of what he does.’’

Some have wondered if Mark Rodgers is simply trying to make a name for himself by landing Wilson a record NFL deal.

Says Rodgers: “I chuckle when I hear that. I suppose that is how some agents would view this opportunity. But that is not my motivation. Mine is much more simple — I want to take care of Russell Wilson, because he deserves it.’’

by **HumanCockroach** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:44 am

Says Rodgers: “I chuckle when I hear that. I suppose that is how some agents would view this opportunity. But that is not my motivation. Mine is much more y — I want to take care of Russell Wilson, because he deserves it.’

Personally I find this statement disingenuous, if that was all that mattered, he would not be taking a full commission on said contract. Maybe he cares about Wilson getting what he is "worth", but if that was the sole imperative, why would he be seeking more money than QB's that have won more during their careers? He is asking for him to be paid not only more than any young QB currently playing( absolutely fair and reasonable) but also more than any player that has set the bench marks, records, win multiple SB's and awards ( absolutely not reasonable).

by **NorthHawk** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:59 am

HumanCockroach wrote:Says Rodgers: “I chuckle when I hear that. I suppose that is how some agents would view this opportunity. But that is not my motivation. Mine is much more y — I want to take care of Russell Wilson, because he deserves it.’

Personally I find this statement disingenuous, if that was all that mattered, he would not be taking a full commission on said contract. Maybe he cares about Wilson getting what he is "worth", but if that was the sole imperative, why would he be seeking more money than QB's that have won more during their careers? He is asking for him to be paid not only more than any young QB currently playing( absolutely fair and reasonable) but also more than any player that has set the bench marks, records, win multiple SB's and awards ( absolutely not reasonable).

It's intertwined with encouraging him to go to Free Agency.
His job is to get as much money as he can and he thinks that's the way to get it.

by **HumanCockroach** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:47 pm

Which is fine. That is what an agent is for after all. Just skip claiming you are simply looking to get him "what he is worth" like it is some sort of white knight situation. I have zero problems with a player getting what he can. However can and worth do not mean the same thing in my book.

by **burrrton** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 1:27 pm

That's the most discouraging thing I've read on this so far.

Ouch.

by **NorthHawk** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 2:10 pm

HumanCockroach wrote:Which is fine. That is what an agent is for after all. Just skip claiming you are simply looking to get him "what he is worth" like it is some sort of white knight situation. I have zero problems with a player getting what he can. However can and worth do not mean the same thing in my book.

If you believe he means what he says, it seems he thinks Wilson is the best in the business.
He's certainly the best QB (that will be available at any point in the near future) for our team by a large margin, so his asking price could be rationalized.
Worth in this case is subjective at this point. It becomes what another team would pay if he goes to FA - which is what the agent wants.

by **savvyman** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 5:47 pm

Apparently - the Photo of Russell and his agent was Photoshopped by the author of the touching Seattle Times puff piece article.

Here is the Photoshop picture of Russel and His agent that appeared in the Seattle TImes Article:

: Russ & Daady 1.jpg (263.35 KiB) Viewed 1914 times

Fortunately I Have found the Original - UN-tampered Picture of Russell and his agent - It is shown below.

: Russ & Daddy 2.jpg (284.85 KiB) Viewed 1914 times

by **jshawaii22** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:16 pm

So who is going to give us 2 first round picks and sign Russell to the largest contract in the history of the NFL?

by **HumanCockroach** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:30 pm

If you believe he means what he says, it seems he thinks Wilson is the best in the business. He's certainly the best QB (that will be available at any point in the near future) for our team by a large margin, so his asking price could be rationalized. Worth in this case is subjective at this point. It becomes what another team would pay if he goes to FA - which is what the agent wants

What agent worth his salt claims otherwise during on going negotiations?

As for his worth, I completely agree it is subjective. I seriously doubt Wilson would get some sort of record deal on the open market, as teams also have to traverse salary cap waters, not just Seattle, many teams ALREADY have a franchise QB, and few have room even if they don't to take on a bloated contract.

In baseball, things are vastly different, unfortunately, this ain't baseball.

by **NorthHawk** » Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:08 pm

Well, it looks like we're going to find out, but every year there are a number of teams with large Cap space who need a Franchise QB who is also a leader.
There might also be a few that are willing to rebuild with a QB like Wilson considering he's still pretty young.

by **c_hawkbob** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:57 am

jshawaii22 wrote:So who is going to give us 2 first round picks and sign Russell to the largest contract in the history of the NFL?

Half the teams in league would be immediately evaluating the possibilities and I can't see there not being three or four joining the bidding.

by **savvyman** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:46 am

Former Father Figure Comments on the Probability of his now greedy, selfish prodigal son signing a contract.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdcD5ldvDts

by **NorthHawk** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:52 am

He's just getting as much as he can.
That's how this off field game is played.
If you can't understand that then you are hopeless.

by **savvyman** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 1:10 pm

NorthHawk wrote:He's just getting as much as he can.
That's how this off field game is played.
If you can't understand that then you are hopeless.

I don't have the time to respond to every simpleton shot at what I say - I have posted in detail my perspective on these negotiations.

The fact of the matter is this.

The Seahawks front office knows you cannot pay your star players at every position the "Free Agent Highest Bidder Price" and have any money left over to field a competitive team at other positions. Sherman took less then what he could have got on the "Free Agent Highest Bidder Price" - so did Thomas, Chancellor, Bennett, Aviril, KJ Wright, etc. etc

What the front office offered to all of these players was pay at or near the top of their positions in the NFL but less then they could have got on the "Free Agent Highest Bidder Price". The players took this lesser amount so that they could play for a competitive championship team for the next few years.

The Seahawks have already offered Russell Aaron Rodgers type money - this has been reported all over the press and neither Russell Side nor the Seahawks Front Office has denied this. so the front office has done their part - But apparently being paid at the Number 1 QB spot in the NFL is not enough for Russell and his Daddy - they are demanding much more money and also a Guarantee clause that no NFL team has ever agreed to.

If the Seahawks Front Office caves into these demands then they know there will be other valuable and key component players that they will not be able to sign - it is that simple. Why do you think there has been no Contract signed? The Front Office has given Russell their best offer - No 1 QB money - And the greedy, selfish and dumb Russell Wilson has not taken this offer. So the Front Office has the choice of meeting Russell and his Daddy ridiculous demands - which will cripple the salary cap for fielding a championship team - or standing firm with the "#1 QB pay offer" that is apparently on the table.

But near or #1 QB money is not good enough for Rusell and his daddy. No Rusell wants to be paid the "Free Agent Highest Bidder Price" - And as I said above - all of his core teammates passed on even though they all could have taken the same road that Russell and Daddy are taking now.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/18/russell-wilson-wants-to-be-paid-like-a-free-agent-now/

Also - Another item that no one has talked about - - You can be sure that Russell is not only losing 100's of fans everyday he is also losing the players in the locker room who know damm well that Russell Wilson's contract will effect how much money is left over to pay the other teammates - Not exactly the type of behavior that motivates a player (or anyone) to follow another person - especially when that person is the so called leader. "Go Hawks" my A$$.

by **Anthony** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 1:16 pm

savvyman wrote:

I don't have the time to respond to every simpleton shot at what I say - I have posted in detail my perspective on these negotiations.

The fact of the matter is this.

The Seahawks front office knows you cannot pay your star players at every position the "Free Agent Highest Bidder Price" and have any money left over to field a competitive team at other positions. Sherman took less then what he could have got on the "Free Agent Highest Bidder Price" - so did Thomas, Chancellor, Bennett, Aviril, KJ Wright, etc. etc

What the front office offered to all of these players was pay at or near the top of their positions in the NFL but less then they could have got on the "Free Agent Highest Bidder Price". The players took this lesser amount so that they could play for a competitive championship team for the next few years.

The Seahawks have already offered Russell Aaron Rodgers type money - this has been reported all over the press and neither Russell Side nor the Seahawks Front Office has denied this. so the front office has done their part - But apparently being paid at the Number 1 QB spot in the NFL is not enough for Russell and his Daddy - they are demanding much more money and also a Guarantee clause that no NFL team has ever agreed to.

If the Seahawks Front Office caves into these demands then they know there will be other valuable and key component players that they will not be able to sign - it is that simple. Why do you think there has been no Contract signed? The Front Office has given Russell their best offer - No 1 QB money - And the greedy, selfish and dumb Russell Wilson has not taken this offer. So the Front Office has the choice of meeting Russell and his Daddy ridiculous demands - which will cripple the salary cap for fielding a championship team - or standing firm with the "#1 QB pay offer" that is apparently on the table.

But near or #1 QB money is not good enough for Rusell and his daddy. No Rusell wants to be paid the "Free Agent Highest Bidder Price" - And as I said above - all of his core teammates passed on even though they all could have taken the same road that Russell and Daddy are taking now.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/18/russell-wilson-wants-to-be-paid-like-a-free-agent-now/

Also - Another item that no one has talked about - - You can be sure that Russell is not only losing 100's of fans everyday he is also losing the players in the locker room who know damm well that Russell Wilson contract will effect how much money is left over to pay the other teammates - Not exactly the type of behavior that motivates a player (or anyone) to follow another person - especially when that person is the so called leader.

Sherman took a deal that made him the highest at his position at that time same with ET, and Kam so lets get off that soap box. As to the rest again you are assuming a lot, still no proof Wilson wants most ever, still no proof the offer the Hawks made is fair, basically you are buying into the media machine and basically condemning him based on assumptions. As to the fans they will get over it and as to the players he is not loosing them at all so lets stop making things up shall we that is for the media to do.

by **NorthHawk** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:35 pm

OK Savvy.
Provide us the the contract offered Wilson - or a copy of it. A PDF will suffice.

Your statements of what he was offered or demanded are baseless - just guesses on your part stemming from guesses by the media unless you can produce the real documents.

That's a real solid basis to make such claims of greed and avarice.
/sarcasm

by **Anthony** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:31 pm

NorthHawk wrote:OK Savvy.
Provide us the the contract offered Wilson - or a copy of it. A PDF will suffice.

Your statements of what he was offered or demanded are baseless - just guesses on your part stemming from guesses by the media unless you can produce the real documents.

That's a real solid basis to make such claims of greed and avarice.
/sarcasm

He cant he is just doing what a lot of media zombies are doing, assuming. Interestingly all these things you are hearing are the same things the media talked about back in Feb, it was them who first said Wilson could get a fully guaranteed contract, it was them who said Wilson might get the highest contact ever, not Wilsons, not the Hawks the media, so now that they have no proof of anything they are just running with what they said in Feb and some mindless drones are believing it.

by **Hawktawk** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:39 pm

Wilson has a higher ceiling than any other young QB. He has been super intelligent in retaining an agent who has his best interests in mind. Like the Agent said "I'm trying to take care of Russell because he deserves it. HEAR HEAR the best 3 years in Hawks history WTF is the matter with you people including the Hawks FO?What about that article, that relationship has you throwing the bombs at Wilson Not so Savvy man"you sound ridiculous calling Russel Wilson stupid and greedy. You dont sound too grateful for what hes done. I'm putting it out here right now. Wilson deserves the current highest contract and guarantees in HFL history. Thats my position. Whats yours? I believe in our field general. Hes the one guy we cant lose.

by **jshawaii22** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 12:52 am

For those that doubt Savvyman's Mantra... you're all correct. No one knows the truth. If the Hawks are down lower then Cam or Tannyhill (which I doubt)... OK, you all may have a point. But, what if the team has offered to make his the first or even 2nd most $$$ QB @ 20m + with a high guarantee and he is demanding more. What IS the limit you think that Front Office should agree to or is there any limit?

Suppose he wants 25m over 4 years = 100m with 80m guaranteed? What about 28m or 30m? What if he's demanding 7 years and the first 100% guaranteed contract in the history of the NFL? As for what it would cost, maybe we could get by this year with the cap, but next year at 25m, I think that would cost us at least Okung and either Wagner or Mebane or another FA. Is Russell worth that along with the normal turnover?

Some will continue to say sign him at any cost, which is noble, if it was Baseball... We've got the richest owner in sports. But, I'll bet there is a line in the sand and that's where JS has draw the line and with his GB / Ted Thompson upbringing, I wouldn't bet against no contract coming soon.

If it gets to next year and into the Franchise Tag, trading him for a 30ish top 6 QB like Phillip Rivers and 2 x 1st round picks is not a bad play, IMHO.

js

by **RiverDog** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:53 am

Savvy isn't the only poster in here that's guilty of speculating about offers made or not made during Wilson's contract negotiations. Several have accused the Hawk's front office of low balling or that we should just pay the man, so it goes both ways.

If Wilson ever does make it to free agency, he'd be a hotter prospect than Peyton Manning was. If it's not in the cards to keep him, I'd be OK if we got two first rounders for him. But that's a long ways down the road, and I hope we never get to that point.

by **MackStrongIsMyHero** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 7:12 am

I hate to find out that a solid, fair contract is being offered, and Wilson and Co. are holding out for a back breaker of a deal. I don't want him playing anywhere else, but, if he's willing to wreck the team's salary cap, then the FO needs to stand firm. One man doesn't make a team, even Russel Wilson.

by **Hawktawk** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:34 pm

You cant sign a franchise QB without dinging up your salary cap. Its how it is league wide and Wilson isn't going to sit around for Tanehill money. Tough tits. Its how it is. They cant let the man walk if they have a brain in their head. And did someone say trade for Rivers? Have you seen our line? Russell Wilson is likely the only man in the league who can flourish under center of this line. Hes carried Schneider and Carroll to the top with his ability to turn crap into gold numerous times a game. PAY UP. the bill is due.

by **MackStrongIsMyHero** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 3:35 pm

Dinging the salary cap and crippling it are two different things. Remember what Drew Brees received? That type of crippling deal is what set the Saints back and is a major reason why they've had a steady decline since their Superbowl run. I'd wager they won't make it back in his tenure.

And they can let the man walk if they have a brain in their head; that brain is why they've been able to build this team. I wish we knew what the Seahawks offered, but I have a hard time believing it is anything less than $20+ million a year. They know just as well as you do that they have received amazing production from Russel Wilson on the cheap; it is not like they don't know they have to pay him, but they also know one man doesn't win games.

If they don't work it out before TC? Fine, let Wilson play at 1.5 million. He'll have to stay on his game if he wants top dollar when he becomes a free agent next year. If they franchise him next year? Fine, let him play another year at top salary or let somebody else cripple their salary cap and give the Seahawks two first round picks.

I've thoroughly enjoyed watching Russell Wilson play, and I'm looking forward to what he'll bring this upcoming season, but I don't want to see Schneider and Co. break the team over him. But, hey, you never know; they could see it the way you do and give him anything that it takes to sign him, but I sure hope they don't.

by **Anthony** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:47 pm

jshawaii22 wrote:For those that doubt Savvyman's Mantra... you're all correct. No one knows the truth. If the Hawks are down lower then Cam or Tannyhill (which I doubt)... OK, you all may have a point. But, what if the team has offered to make his the first or even 2nd most $$$ QB @ 20m + with a high guarantee and he is demanding more. What IS the limit you think that Front Office should agree to or is there any limit?

Suppose he wants 25m over 4 years = 100m with 80m guaranteed? What about 28m or 30m? What if he's demanding 7 years and the first 100% guaranteed contract in the history of the NFL? As for what it would cost, maybe we could get by this year with the cap, but next year at 25m, I think that would cost us at least Okung and either Wagner or Mebane or another FA. Is Russell worth that along with the normal turnover?

Some will continue to say sign him at any cost, which is noble, if it was Baseball... We've got the richest owner in sports. But, I'll bet there is a line in the sand and that's where JS has draw the line and with his GB / Ted Thompson upbringing, I wouldn't bet against no contract coming soon.

If it gets to next year and into the Franchise Tag, trading him for a 30ish top 6 QB like Phillip Rivers and 2 x 1st round picks is not a bad play, IMHO.

js

Okay you want to put Rivers behind this oline really? Yeah no. second the issue us none of us know so why hate on a guy for something we do not know is true. Earlier there was an article saying that the Hawks only wanted to give 40 mil guaranteed if true then that would be low. However everyone realizes we really do not know if that is true. So again if you choose to buy the media zombie stuff go for it, however anyone with any intelligence would wait to know the truth.

by **Anthony** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 4:59 pm

MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:Dinging the salary cap and crippling it are two different things. Remember what Drew Brees received? That type of crippling deal is what set the Saints back and is a major reason why they've had a steady decline since their Superbowl run. I'd wager they won't make it back in his tenure.

And they can let the man walk if they have a brain in their head; that brain is why they've been able to build this team. I wish we knew what the Seahawks offered, but I have a hard time believing it is anything less than $20+ million a year. They know just as well as you do that they have received amazing production from Russel Wilson on the cheap; it is not like they don't know they have to pay him, but they also know one man doesn't win games.

If they don't work it out before TC? Fine, let Wilson play at 1.5 million. He'll have to stay on his game if he wants top dollar when he becomes a free agent next year. If they franchise him next year? Fine, let him play another year at top salary or let somebody else cripple their salary cap and give the Seahawks two first round picks.

I've thoroughly enjoyed watching Russell Wilson play, and I'm looking forward to what he'll bring this upcoming season, but I don't want to see Schneider and Co. break the team over him. But, hey, you never know; they could see it the way you do and give him anything that it takes to sign him, but I sure hope they don't.

again it really does not matter if they have offered him 20+ mil, what matters is how it is designed. If only 10 is a singing bonus and only 40 mil is guaranteed that is low period. As to the rest that is all great but the bigger question is this with him we are a SB contender without him who knows(in 2011 we had a top 10 defense and Lynch and were 7-9), do you gamble if you are JS knowing it could cost you FAs, current players who might leave, and maybe your job. Worse you decide to trade him and then he signs with his new team for a reasonable contract, and then leads them to the playoffs, while we do not make it. Meanwhile Lynch is a year or 2 form retired, your oline is a huge question mark, and you have no #1 wr and no air apparent to Wilson or Lynch. See it is not as simple as you think. And given we really do not know why worry about it or worse judge Wilson or the team.

by **MackStrongIsMyHero** » Mon Jul 20, 2015 6:53 pm

I think it is simple; I don't think it is easy. Maybe they are offering him a well structured deal, and his agent is pushing for more. We have no idea. For me, it is still you don't break the team for one man. Period. That doesn't mean there isn't a fair deal to be had that won't.

by **Hawktawk** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:49 am

Great defense aside Russel Wilson IS the seahawks. He is an ambassador for what is right about the NFL. He will be a winner if the entire LOB is replaced, Lynch, whoever. Everyone ruminates about how horrible it would be to lose Wags.Well Seattle has averaged 12 wins per year and Wags has missed games every year due to injury. Russel hasn't missed a play. He will be a winner in New York or Buffalo or wherever he will certainly go if Seattle doesn't sign him to the deal he deserves which would be top money at the current time.
I am stunned by the ignorance of a large section of our fan base that they feel we can just plug and play a QB and continue to have success, Its a pipe dream.We have the most exciting young superstar in the league wearing Hawks colors and sporting back to back SB appearances and multiple NFL records. Why would they even chance losing that to keep some defensive player who will be out of the league in 4 or 5 years?
pay the man.....

by **MackStrongIsMyHero** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:09 am

It really isn't ignorance; very few teams that break the bank for their QB consistently go to the Superbowl. I agree, you pay Wilson whatever, and, yes, you will probably have winning seasons, but will you go all the way? The odds aren't in your favor. I don't believe any QB under center will have automatic success, but I don't believe you can be a perennial Superbowl contender by wrecking the salary cap for one player. Again, there's got to be a middle ground between the two parties.

by **c_hawkbob** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:30 am

Even fewer teams without a franchise QB consistently go to the Super Bowl.

by **Hawktawk** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:50 am

MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:It really isn't ignorance; very few teams that break the bank for their QB consistently go to the Superbowl. I agree, you pay Wilson whatever, and, yes, you will probably have winning seasons, but will you go all the way? The odds aren't in your favor. I don't believe any QB under center will have automatic success, but I don't believe you can be a perennial Superbowl contender by wrecking the salary cap for one player. Again, there's got to be a middle ground between the two parties.

You do not know what you are talking about.There are several teams in this league who have NEVER been to much less won a Superbowl. Wilson has 2 appearances, a win, and a comeback from a 23 point deficit vs Atlanta in the playoffs his first year in which he broke the rookie record for passing yards by 50 yards. Of course the LOB coughed it up or he would have been in the NFC title game as a straight up rookie. He must be paid. Hes awesome, he knows it and he isn't going to get low balled. If he plays this year on the paltry rookie deal he will be the most sought after free agent in NFL history. It would kill me watching him play Houdini for someone else.

by **MackStrongIsMyHero** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:40 am

You do not know what you are talking about.There are several teams in this league who have NEVER been to much less won a Superbowl. Wilson has 2 appearances, a win, and a comeback from a 23 point deficit vs Atlanta in the playoffs his first year in which he broke the rookie record for passing yards by 50 yards. Of course the LOB coughed it up or he would have been in the NFC title game as a straight up rookie. He must be paid. Hes awesome, he knows it and he isn't going to get low balled. If he plays this year on the paltry rookie deal he will be the most sought after free agent in NFL history. It would kill me watching him play Houdini for someone else.[/quote]

I do know what I'm talking about. Teams that broke the bank to pay their QB's after a Superbowl win haven't made it back (see Saints and Ravens). They are still competitive, but not Superbowl winners or even attendants. I was at the Atlanta game your referenced, and I've watched every game he's played in; I'm fully aware of what he brings to the table. I'm not by any means advocating not to pay him, and I'm certainly not advocating low balling him, yet you seem to be inferring that. Are you just choosing to ignore the last sentence of my last post?

Wilson can't win it all by himself, and you know it. He doesn't get to and win those Superbowls without the team. For all we know, the front office made a good offer; you, I, and everybody else knows that they know they have to. I'm in agreement with the speculation of something north of Cam Newton's deal but not highest paid. How is that low-balling him? If you want to be in the camp of paying him whatever it takes, then that's fine. I disagree with that approach.

by **NorthHawk** » Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:08 am

How many teams make it back to the Super Bowl even if they don't have to pay up or have already absorbed the QB price?
Not too many.
The Giants did, the Steelers and Pats have a number of times, Seahawks, and probably a few others (in the Salary Cap era).
Not many teams return to the Super Bowl regardless because it is so difficult to do.
However, the vast majority of teams that ever make it to a Super Bowl do so with a top QB.
It's an undeniable fact.
The other undeniable fact is it is difficult to ever get a top QB, and when teams do, they almost never let them go.

by **savvyman** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:50 pm

Seems like the Walrus has been reading my posts on this matter and stands in agreement (Russell is being greedy, selfish AND Stupid) with my viewpoints.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/football/2015/07/22/mike-holmgren-huge-mistake-if-russell-wilson-doesnt-sign-very-fair-seahawks-offer/#33904101=0

>>>>>>Former Seattle Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren believes the team’s contract extension offer to quarterback Russell Wilson is “very fair,” and that the three-year veteran would be making a “huge mistake” by not signing before the 2015 season.
Former Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren said he thought QB Russell Wilson would be making a mistake by not signing Seattle's contract offer before the 2015 season. (AP Photo/John Froschauer)

Former Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren said he thought QB Russell Wilson would be making a mistake by not signing Seattle’s contract offer before the 2015 season. (AP Photo/John Froschauer)

Appearing on 950 KJR radio’s “Mitch in the Morning” show on Wednesday, Holmgren told host Mitch Levy that he would counsel Wilson to sign the deal offered by the team if Wilson wants to stay in Seattle.

Wilson and agent Mark Rodgers reportedly want a contract bigger than the five-year, $110 million deal Aaron Rodgers signed with the Green Bay Packers in 2013, while the Seahawks were said to be offering a four-year deal in excess of $80 million.

Holmgren, who coached the Seahawks from 1999 to 2008 and led the team to its first Super Bowl appearance after the 2005 season, said that while the differences between the two sides are not insignificant, Wilson should sign the deal the Seahawks are offering. Not only would a new contract result in millions in guaranteed money to buoy the $1.52 million Wilson is scheduled to make in 2015, Holmgren said, but moving on from this contract negotiation will move the Super Bowl-winning quarterback closer to another one.

“This is not his last contract, he’s going to sign another one in four years,” Holmgren told Levy. “So I think it’s a huge mistake. I just don’t understand it. … If he plays this season for a million and a half, then I think it’s a huge mistake, I really do.”

When asked by Levy if he believed the offer to be fair in light of contracts signed by “other primetime big-name quarterbacks,” Holmgren didn’t equivocate.

“I think it’s very fair, very fair,” Holmgren said. “The Seahawks are not low-balling him. In (Wilson and Rodgers’) mind(s), apparently, they think they are. … He’s earned the right to be up there being well paid, there’s no question about that, but usually salaries are based on what other guys get paid, what’s the market, what’s going on. So no, the Seahawks have not low-balled, as far as I understand.”

Holmgren said he was still hopeful a deal could be reached before training camp started at the end of the month, saying he thought there was “a really good chance that it gets done at the midnight hour.”

Youc an check out Levy’s entire interview with Holmgren below (he starts talking about the Wilson contract at around the 12-minute mark):<<<<<<<<<<<<<

by **NorthHawk** » Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:06 pm

He's got the same info we do, so the truth of what has been offered or demanded is still unknown to the rest of us.

Besides, Wilson is taking contract advice from god.

by **Hawk Sista** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:20 am

While I'm disappointed in this lengthy and seemingly selfish push from the RW camp, I agree that he is one of, if not the most marketable QBs (players, really) in the NFL. And I believe that w/o him, we would not have gone to 2 SBs in a row... Not even 1 (w/ Flynn, t-jack, Tannehill etc). Up the ante and get this dealt with nowsap, please. There WILL BE bidders & suitors... the longer this drags on, the more it hurts the efforts moving forward. One can use the Joey Go-away season as exhibit A. Though vastly different in nature, the ramifications (though much smaller in scope) feel similar enough to me to want to get this done effen NOW.

I'll admit that I was embarrassingly naive and thought that RW would be a little more Brady-like. He could make an ish load of $$$$, be in the top 3 paid players in the league and not hurt us so much. I don't like Mark Rogers one bit, and I'm diggin RWs off season self less than at any point since his arrival. (God told him to date a pop star and lead her, God had the Hawks lose the SB so that the world could watch RWs reaction, go Hawks but I'm gonna put them and my coworkers in a giant bind that will lead to losing several key pieces etc.). His arrogance is astounding. At the very same time, his arrogance makes him the player he is & he's the ONE guy we simply CANNOT lose. Pay his greedy ass and let's be done with it.

by **Hawktown** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:42 pm

mark rogers reminds me of a child molester luring in a kid with candy or a lost dog but hey, that's just my impression of him. Especially after reading that article Savvy posted. Thanks, Savvy! lol

by **Hawktawk** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:47 pm

Hawk town thats over the line. Now Wilson is selfish and greedy and his agent is a child molester. WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

So now Holmgren has jumped into the fray. The great coach but terrible talent evaluator hurt the franchise as an inept GM and along with Ruskell left the cupboard virtually bare on his way out the door mailing in a 4-12 stinker. There is a reason nobody has rung the phone since Cleveland, yes CLEVELAND canned him.I cant believe there were fans on this board advocating bringing him back as a GM when Ruskell was canned.
He is unqualified to comment on personnel matters.
Butt out Holmgren.Your'e #3.

by **Hawktown** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 3:23 pm

Hawktawk wrote:Hawk town thats over the line. Now Wilson is selfish and greedy and his agent is a child molester. WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

So now Holmgren has jumped into the fray. The great coach but terrible talent evaluator hurt the franchise as an inept GM and along with Ruskell left the cupboard virtually bare on his way out the door mailing in a 4-12 stinker. There is a reason nobody has rung the phone since Cleveland, yes CLEVELAND canned him.I cant believe there were fans on this board advocating bringing him back as a GM when Ruskell was canned.
He is unqualified to comment on personnel matters.
Butt out Holmgren.Your'e #3.

I'm sorry you feel that way!

edited.. I think they are all probably that way, BTW.

by **HumanCockroach** » Thu Jul 23, 2015 4:45 pm

So now Holmgren has jumped into the fray. The great coach but terrible talent evaluator hurt the franchise as an inept GM and along with Ruskell left the cupboard virtually bare on his way out the door mailing in a 4-12 stinker.

Interesting, here I was thinking Holmgren evaluated, drafted or traded for the core of Seattle's first SB team, and won a slew of division titles. Guess I must have crediting him with assembling the talent to do that. Must have been the Flores/ Behring dream team. SMDH.

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