We settle the debate: Who are the 10 best QBs in the NFL?

[HumanCockroach]

Sorry RD but on a three yard slant there is no "check down", Wilson made the right read on the play, and it was the play called. If you want to assign blame for the ball being a bit too high, or a bit in front, I'm cool with that, but on a quick slant that is open, the QB can NOT wait, there was absolutely zero blame for the decision to throw the ball, it was indeed the right read, execution could have been better, but if your claim is he should have checked down, or looked to run, you yourself are absolving him, by placing the blame squarely on the coaches decision to run the play, without a check down, or another option. Here you are claiming Wilson should have improvised instead of throwing the ball to an open receiver on a designed and called play.

[politicalfootball]

Luck should be rated above RW but although we lost to them last year we are the better team. Can't wait to see them in the SB.

[Anthony]

Actually I'm certain that you did. It was zero, nothing, nada. I remember the debate very well.

But if all you are going to do is assign 5% of the blame to him, you might as well say that he was completely blameless as I'm not sure if there was ever a pass thrown that I'd assign that low of a percentage to the quarterback. It's either a lot, none, or shared a lot more equally than how you've broken it down.

If I remember right, Lynch had flared to the right and was uncovered, would have made a great check down had Russell decided not to throw it. He also could have pulled it down and scrambled, thrown it away if he got into trouble, and he had a timeout in his pocket if he or someone else was tackled in bounds. Especially being a quarterback with his ability to create a masterpiece out of a busted play, he could have made something happen.

The problem is again you are assuming he had that option, Something we know he did not as both Bevell and PC said it was a timing pattern, with no audible. He was told we are running this play, end of story. So you can base you blame game on assumption that are not backed by what we have been told all you want. Also since I know you want most of the blame to be on Wilson I am sure you will find a way., That said the reality is if Lockette runs the route like he cares and makes a play on the ball it does not matter. I am assessing blame based on the order of things and what caused the biggest issue. Since it was a timing play that means it is a catch and throw to a spot and the Wr must get there. Technical this absolves the QB but I feel RW is more than athletic enough to change his throw. Hence the 5%, As to what you think I said, whatever you can think what you want does not mean its true.

[burrrton]

Luck should be rated above RW

Then feel free to make that argument.

[Anthony]

Luck should be rated above RW but although we lost to them last year we are the better team. Can't wait to see them in the SB.

yeah there is logic well they beat us so he should be rated higher. So I guess their CB should be higher than Sherman too. LOl

[Hawktawk]

Hawk, it was one of the worst calls ever. And it really only has a little to do with not running the ball, which they absolutely should have done if for no other reason to take time off the clock.

If they were going to pass they should have called a play that gave Wilson an option to run or throw it away instead of a one read quick throw to our worst receiver.

It was a terrible call without a doubt. The brain cramp by the coaching staff kicked into overdrive after the crazy Kearse catch although they had already figured out how to burn a timeout to avoid delay of game.They burn clock but huddle allowing NE to bring the heavy run package in. Then you have Kearse who is supposed to get a free release off of Brandon frigging Browner, the NFL equivalent of a hockey goon, and pick off a defensive back who was playing at an insane level the entire game and was the only thing between Russell Wilson and 400+yards passing and a runaway SB MVP. No play action to Lynch, no read option, no roll out and corner fade to maybe Chris Matthews or even a tight end . I have watched the play a hundred times. Ive seen the Zapruder film from the corner of the end zone. Ive seen a lifetime worth. It was a horrible call but if it had been executed even remotely correctly by any of the 3 Seahawks and I mean ANY its a TD or first and goal on the one at worst. Very frustrating. I'm still proud, still love my NFC championship ball and I am absolutely stoked for 2015 after the film review session.

[RiverDog]

Sorry RD but on a three yard slant there is no "check down", Wilson made the right read on the play, and it was the play called. If you want to assign blame for the ball being a bit too high, or a bit in front, I'm cool with that, but on a quick slant that is open, the QB can NOT wait, there was absolutely zero blame for the decision to throw the ball, it was indeed the right read, execution could have been better, but if your claim is he should have checked down, or looked to run, you yourself are absolving him, by placing the blame squarely on the coaches decision to run the play, without a check down, or another option. Here you are claiming Wilson should have improvised instead of throwing the ball to an open receiver on a designed and called play.

I was responding to Anthony's question as to what Russell could have done had he seen or sensed Butler jumping the route. If Russell had some sort of indication that he was in a bad spot, he could have pulled it down and thrown to Lynch, or scrambled around and made something out of nothing. I did not say or imply that Russell "should" have done this or that, only that he had several options had he decided not to throw to Lockette.

[Futureite]

As always Future, in your zeal to run down the Seahawks or one of their players you just step out on the ledge too far and lose your balance. There are perfectly good arguments to consider Luck better than Wilson... footwork and definitely arm strength are not part of those arguments.

I think that's what annoys me the most about you. You just throw stuff out there that you think sounds good instead of actually putting together a cogent well informed argument. It's an insult to people's intelligence for you to assume that they pay as little attention to the game as you seemingly do. Just once I'd like to see you come with an argument that isn't a clichéd made up narrative plucked from the cesspool of ProFootball Talk comment sections.

When you make comments like that about Wilson's arm strength compared to Luck's it shows me right then and there that you either haven't actually taken the time to compare them or you're intentionally fabricating stuff. When you're willing to start from an obvious fallacy and try to pass it off as a matter of fact statement there is no reason to even consider taking the rest of your argument seriously.

P.S. Have you ever taken a minute and thought about how many of the arguments that you come up with to knock the Seahawks or their players are based on "what if" scenarios? In other words there is no actual hard data to back up what you're saying because it's all based on an assumption that because, as you put it, player X isn't "asked" to do something it means they can't do it even when the data that does exist seems to suggest that they can. Forming a conclusion based on the absence of data is one of the most intellectually bereft places you can start an argument and yet you go back to that well over and over again.

You're right in that group of people who claimed Tom Brady was overrated before 2007 and Kobe Bryant was overrated before Shaq left.

It's just effing maddening to try to discuss this with you guys LOL. It really is. The difference between Luck's arm and Wilson isn't just arm strength (though Luck's is far stronger), it's arm talent. You are seriously asserting that RW has the arm to rifle a 25 yd deep dig seconds after redirecting his feet with a Dlinemen bearing down on him and put it in perfect position for his WR? REALLY? Russel Wilson can do that, huh? Russell Wilson can throw a ball 70 yds with ease in practice, as Doug Baldwin stated?

You guys are in serious denial. I've read you compare him to Montana. Now he has Luck's pure passing ability too? Andrew Luck has some of the best physical tools EVER seen in an NFL QB. He's miles above not only Wilson, but most other QBs in the history of the game. He has Marino like prolific ability.

Luck's full compliment of tools was on display 2 yrs ago during the last drive of the game when he beat the Hawks. He had defenders bearing down on him all over the place, and stuck perfect throw after throw from the pocket, moving through his reads and making throws with ridiculous levels of diffuculty against the best secondary in the NFL. You watched thus and watched him do thus on a team with FAR less talent than your own, and you guys come back with the same stuff, as if it never happened.

The better argument to make would be to compare Wilson to Brees. Like Wilson, Brees can laser a ball if necessary. Like Wilson, he is also a smart, instinctual QB who moves well within the pocket and makes smart decisions. Because they have a similar skilset, It is possible Wilson COULD get to Brees' level of pocket mastery IF he followed the same career tradjectory, which included some mediocore yrs before Payton and a whole lot of trial and error. But he'll never be that guy without both the in game reps and system. EVER. He'll never be that guy running read options and holding carte' blanche to bolt the pocket at will. It just does not happen that way for ANY QB.

Wilson is Alex Smith with more athleticism. He plays the same style of safe ball in the same type of O yet unlike Alex he can boost his rating considerably with his ability to make huge chunk plays from his athleticism. Nonetheless, even last yr both QB's numbers were VERY similar.

I am sure you'll take offense to that last statement, but it is not an insult. No, Wilson didn't walk into the league capable of throwing for 5,000 yds and 40 TDs like this crsp "volume" argument holds. Sorry, with the exception of a select few outliers, no QB has ever gotten that level of production without both superior top 10 draft pick tools, the right system and a lot of experience. While Wilson has very good tools (arm, etc) he hasn't played in that type of a system and he hasn't had the experience.

LOL good god I am going to have to listen to this crap on Seattle sports radio in a couple days when I am up there. Maybe I should call in and debate this.

[Futureite]

Youtube "Andrew Luck throws 70 yd bomb at pro day". and tell me these two arms are equal.There is a reason Luck was a #1 overall pick

[kalibane]

Future you are confusing the best package with him having every elite quality possible.

The best arms in the league are people like Flacco, Kaepernick, Cutler and Stafford. Neither Luck nor Wilson have that kind of arm strength. But here is a scouting report on Russell Wilson coming into the draft:

Arm Strength: Arguably Wilson's most impressive trait, especially considering his lack of ideal size. Can easily make every NFL throw, showing the ability to drive the football to the sideline on a line from the opposite hash. Can send the ball 40-50 yards downfield with a flick of his wrist.

And with Luck even an article titled "The Perfect Prospect" rated his arm as an 8.9 out of 10 and stating:

Not known for having a rocket "Jay Cutler-style" arm. That's because he doesn't need it... The separation from Luck to Manning (Manning rated 8.7 at time he was drafted) is due to Luck's ability to rifle the ball harder and farther on the run

So basically slightly better arm strength than Peyton who has never been billed as having elite arm strength which was one of the reasons that people actually debated Leaf vs. Manning because Leaf did have that cannon.

Another source rates Luck as having "Plus arm strength".

That's the whole problem with you Luck sycophants you are so impatient for Luck to make good on his hype that you have prematurely anointed him and at started giving him qualities he actually doesn't possess. In your irrational mind, having done no actual data gathering, Luck is one of the best QBs in the game so he must have one of the best arms too.

Luck's arm is plenty strong and he can make every throw but he is not in that elite tier of throwers. Same deal with Wilson.

Don't you get tired of being proven wrong after completely talking out of your behind? How sad is it when Luck is the best QB prospect in 30 years, he's actually making good on that hype for the most part and you still can't seem to scrape together an intellectually honest argument in support of him.

[kalibane]

And stop it with that kind of spectacle nonsense as anecdotal evidence. I've personally thrown the ball 50 yards in the air in an intramural football game and I never played QB in organized ball nor have I ever clocked anything above 70 mph on a radar gun in baseball. You should have stuck to talking about the deep digs, at least then you kind of give the appearance that you know what you should be talking about.

If you don't think Russell Wilson could throw a ball 70 yards in the air in a T-Shirt and Shorts with no rush you are a flat out idiot. We've all seen him put it 50 yards in the air on the run on a flick of the wrist.

I've seen Michael Vick more or less make that same throw that Luck made only in pads in a game on a rope. I've seen Kyle Boller throw the ball through the uprights from the 50 yard line (60 yards+ in the air if you need help with math) from his knees. THAT is elite arm strength.

Most of the starting QBs in the NFL can make that throw in shorts and a t-shirt with all that wind up; there will just be varying degrees of air underneath the ball. And there was plenty of air under Luck's throw.

[Anthony]

I was responding to Anthony's question as to what Russell could have done had he seen or sensed Butler jumping the route. If Russell had some sort of indication that he was in a bad spot, he could have pulled it down and thrown to Lynch, or scrambled around and made something out of nothing. I did not say or imply that Russell "should" have done this or that, only that he had several options had he decided not to throw to Lockette.

Well for one we did not have a a lot of time. And he could have done all of that or Lockette could have actually tried instead of half a$$ing it and it would not have mattered. The reality still stands it was a horrible play call, not so much it being pass but that specific pass play

[NorthHawk]

It would have had a better chance of completion if Baldwin was the target as he is used more often inside than Lockette. He's also much more aggressive going after the ball.
That's part of why I think the play call was bad as the on field personnel didn't suit that play at that time. Early in the game, maybe if they wanted to set something up for later, but not at that crucial point of the game.

[c_hawkbob]

[RiverDog]

And stop it with that kind of spectacle nonsense as anecdotal evidence. I've personally thrown the ball 50 yards in the air in an intramural football game and I never played QB in organized ball nor have I ever clocked anything above 70 mph on a radar gun in baseball. You should have stuck to talking about the deep digs, at least then you kind of give the appearance that you know what you should be talking about.

If you don't think Russell Wilson could throw a ball 70 yards in the air in a T-Shirt and Shorts with no rush you are a flat out idiot. We've all seen him put it 50 yards in the air on the run on a flick of the wrist.

I've seen Michael Vick more or less make that same throw that Luck made only in pads in a game on a rope. I've seen Kyle Boller throw the ball through the uprights from the 50 yard line (60 yards+ in the air if you need help with math) from his knees. THAT is elite arm strength.

Most of the starting QBs in the NFL can make that throw in shorts and a t-shirt with all that wind up; there will just be varying degrees of air underneath the ball. And there was plenty of air under Luck's throw.

I once saw Sonny Jorgenson throw a football 40 yards behind his back, so yea, 70 yards in the air isn't that impressive for an NFL quarterback. The art comes in when you hit your receiver 70 yards in stride. The joke about Doug Williams, another mediocre QB with an elephant gun arm, was that they were going to send him to Iran as he was the only person in the world that could overthrow the Ayatollah.

In my opinion, arm strength is more of a factor on shorter routes, around 20 to 30 yards and with a straight line trajectory where you have to burn it into a tight window. Throwing it 70 yards in the air isn't that impressive unless you're competing in Punt, Pass, and Kick.

[NorthHawk]

It's not going away any time soon, so get used to it.

[NorthHawk]

"I once saw Sonny Jorgenson throw a football 40 yards behind his back, so yea, 70 yards in the air isn't that impressive for an NFL quarterback. The art comes in when you hit your receiver 70 yards in stride. The joke about Doug Williams, another mediocre QB with an elephant gun arm, was that they were going to send him to Iran as he was the only person in the world that could overthrow the Ayatollah.

In my opinion, arm strength is more of a factor on shorter routes, around 20 to 30 yards and with a straight line trajectory where you have to burn it into a tight window. Throwing it 70 yards in the air isn't that impressive unless you're competing in Punt, Pass, and Kick."

That's where touch comes in.
The QB has to be able to throw it hard enough to squeeze it in the short window, but not too hard to make it overly difficult to catch.
Some QBs never figure that out.

[kalibane]

Nah Riv is right it's on those 20ish yards patterns outside the hash marks where arm strength really becomes a factor. You can have all the accuracy and touch in the world but if you don't have the gun to get the ball out there those are the balls that get picked off and returned for TDs.

One of the best examples of this was Seattle's defensive game plan in the Super Bowl against Denver. They didn't respect Peyton's Arm to make throws to the outside on intermediate and deep routes. They clogged up the middle third of the field with coverage and sat on underneath routes knowing they had Earl Thomas over the top. That's one of the big reasons why the Hawks were able to shut down the Demaryius Thomas screen game; by having the LB aggressively crash down off his hook assignment and why Kam was even more of a complete menace in the middle of the field. The belief was that anything to the outside, even if the DBs got beat one on one by the WR, Manning's lack of arm strength would allow them to recover.

It's why the most important portion of that evaluation of Wilson's arm strength I posted was: showing the ability to drive the football to the sideline on a line from the opposite hash.

That's where arm strength becomes really important. It's not a matter of taking anything off for receivers. When QBs make those throws they uncork it. For example Brett Favre is known for breaking/dislocating his receivers fingers.

[Hawktawk]

You want an example of arm strength? Wilson lines up for a 2 point vs GB. He is immediately flushed to his right and on a dead run away from the line of scrimmage. From the right sideline at about the 15 yard line Wilson wheels around in midair falling out of bounds and throws a ball directly to Luke Willson all the way on the other side of the field at the goalline. #1 he knew Willson was there which was amazing. #2 Im not sure many other QBs in the league could have completed the ball in that situation. Perhaps for me the most impressive part of Wilsons game is that he really has all the throws but his long ball is a thing of beauty, nice high arc and very catchable. The guy is fun to watch play ball.

[burrrton]

That 2pt conversion against GB was tossed up for grabs, not delivered on any kind of line, hawk. Willson and the DB were both essentially camped under that- the DB just couldn't get his jump timed right.

There is *plenty* of evidence illustrating RW's ability to make any throw in the NFL- that just wasn't one of them.

[Anthony]

You want arm strength try this throw falling away with a guy in his face 30 yards off back foot, cross field or 2nd 55 in the air with touch, the 3rd one on the run going across the field 50 yards dime or 4th one 44 yard pass on the run falling backwards, I can go on but you get the deal the man has an arm.


http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Rus ... 2CA6450F4F

[RiverDog]

I agree with burrton. The 2 PT. conversion in the NFCCG was nothing more than a prayer. The fact that it was a conversion meant that had nothing to lose, so he might as well throw it up in the air like that as he had a 50/50 chance that his guy would come down with it. The football Gods were smiling at us on that one.

[RiverDog]

That's where touch comes in.
The QB has to be able to throw it hard enough to squeeze it in the short window, but not too hard to make it overly difficult to catch.
Some QBs never figure that out.

You get out past 20 yards and you don't worry about throwing the ball soft unless you're trying to throw one of those rainbow jobs. You need to get that ball in there quickly, before the DB has time to react. If the receiver can't catch a fastball from 20 yards out, that's on him.

[RiverDog]

It's not going away any time soon, so get used to it.

No kidding. How long did we debate XL?

[Hawktawk]

I agree with burrton. The 2 PT. conversion in the NFCCG was nothing more than a prayer. The fact that it was a conversion meant that had nothing to lose, so he might as well throw it up in the air like that as he had a 50/50 chance that his guy would come down with it. The football Gods were smiling at us on that one.

Of course it was a prayer. But he threw it where he wanted, to Willson who he knew was there somehow. He said so after the game. Dix missed the ball because I don't think he had any idea Wilson was going to be able to come back across the field under that much duress. The high arc on the ball was necessary to get it over the defenders who were absolutely in his face. It was a throw that required great arm strength and athleticism, an amazing play in a game full of them..

[burrrton]

Of course it was a prayer. But he threw it where he wanted, to Willson who he knew was there somehow.

*sigh*

http://www.nfl.com/videos/seattle-seaha ... conversion

If by "where he wanted" you mean "the left half of the field", sure, and he didn't know Willson was there "somehow"- he appears to have seen him when he was wheeling around.

That does't change the fact that it was a hail mary that Willson had to camp under and was only not picked because Dix panicked with too much time to react.

It only went about 25-30 yards horizontally, so it went nearly as far vertically, and while that makes it a throw my wife couldn't make, it's hardly an example of outrageous arm strength by NFL standards.

There are 206 million great examples of RW's arm strength- you don't have to run to a particularly weak example.

[Hawktawk]

He threw it falling backwards with both feet off the ground and got it all the way across the field. If thats a "weak" example and doesn't impress you fine. I was very impressed. Wilson got "lucky" once again which he just seems to do most of the time. Hes got "it"the intangible things that make him a winner along with very unique athletic gifts.
Now that we have linebackers and nose guards getting 100 million dollar deals Schneider is looking like an utter idiot dragging this thing out.Hes costing the Hawks more every day he waits.

PAY HIM. HES WORTH IT.

[Anthony]

*sigh*

http://www.nfl.com/videos/seattle-seaha ... conversion

If by "where he wanted" you mean "the left half of the field", sure, and he didn't know Willson was there "somehow"- he appears to have seen him when he was wheeling around.

That does't change the fact that it was a hail mary that Willson had to camp under and was only not picked because Dix panicked with too much time to react.

It only went about 25-30 yards horizontally, so it went nearly as far vertically, and while that makes it a throw my wife couldn't make, it's hardly an example of outrageous arm strength by NFL standards.

There are 206 million great examples of RW's arm strength- you don't have to run to a particularly weak example.

Sorry I agree it was a tough throw and he knew were he was throwing it, he saw Luke just before he turned and new he was there. He through it with people in his face, falling back the opposite direction and got it right to were Luke was. I doubt there are many QBs who could have made that through, under that much duress with that much touch and that far.

[Anthony]

He threw it falling backwards with both feet off the ground and got it all the way across the field. If thats a "weak" example and doesn't impress you fine. I was very impressed. Wilson got "lucky" once again which he just seems to do most of the time. Hes got "it"the intangible things that make him a winner along with very unique athletic gifts.
Now that we have linebackers and nose guards getting 100 million dollar deals Schneider is looking like an utter idiot dragging this thing out.Hes costing the Hawks more every day he waits.

PAY HIM. HES WORTH IT.

Agreed but I am not sure it is JS I think it is Allen and the guarantees.

[burrrton]

He threw it falling backwards with both feet off the ground and got it all the way across the field.

He threw it from numbers to numbers. The numbers are 12 yards off the sidelines. That makes it about 30 yards.

Again, not something my wife could do, but NO WAY is a 30-yard lob off your back foot, put up for grabs, an example of a throw few NFL QBs could make.

(And I agree they should just find a way to get this kid his money)

got it right to were Luke was.

It's right there in the video I linked, Anthony. Luke had to stop backpedaling and wait for it.

I doubt there are many QBs who could have made that through, under that much duress with that much touch and that far.

Touch?? LOL.

A tough play? A play that's impressive he had the wherewithal to make? YOU BET.

But sheer arm strength, by NFL QB standards? C'mon.

[RiverDog]

Of course it was a prayer. But he threw it where he wanted, to Willson who he knew was there somehow. He said so after the game. Dix missed the ball because I don't think he had any idea Wilson was going to be able to come back across the field under that much duress. The high arc on the ball was necessary to get it over the defenders who were absolutely in his face. It was a throw that required great arm strength and athleticism, an amazing play in a game full of them..

IMO he had a general idea that some Seahawk receiver might be in the area, but he was not targeting anyone. It was no more of an example of a great arm/athleticism than throwing a ball into the cheap seats after a touchdown. If you're hell bent to hand out a compliment for that play, you'd be better off noting that it was a very smart play in that it was his last resort and being that it was a conversion attempt, he had absolutely nothing to lose.

Ironically, we might not have seen that play under current rules as now the defense can return a conversion attempt for a touchdown.

[Anthony]

He threw it falling backwards with both feet off the ground and got it all the way across the field.

Burton it does not matter if Luke had to stop peddling or not, it is obvious Wilson new exactly were Luke was. and again yes touch if he throws it to mush of a line drive it does not get caught, if he throws much higher is does not get caught. Again 30+ yards falling away the other direction, with guys right in his face sorry not many QBs could make that throw. As to arm strength yes it doe show is arm strength but I provided links showing even better examples so to me you are arguing just to argue.

[Anthony]

IMO he had a general idea that some Seahawk receiver might be in the area, but he was not targeting anyone. It was no more of an example of a great arm/athleticism than throwing a ball into the cheap seats after a touchdown. If you're hell bent to hand out a compliment for that play, you'd be better off noting that it was a very smart play in that it was his last resort and being that it was a conversion attempt, he had absolutely nothing to lose.

Ironically, we might not have seen that play under current rules as now the defense can return a conversion attempt for a touchdown.

Dude I disagree and Wilson even said after he knew Luke was over there, if you relook at the video at about the 8 second mark just before Russell again turns to his left he saw Luke leaking out and knew it. He threw it off one foot, in the air with a guy hanging on him, that is an impressive combination or arm strength, touch and were with all.

[burrrton]

so to me you are arguing just to argue.

Tell me more about "arguing just to argue", guy claiming a 30-yard lob (off his back foot!) is a great example of NFL-caliber arm strength.

Burton it does not matter if Luke had to stop peddling or not

Anthony, a receiver stopping running and waiting for a ball to come down is called "adjusting", and it's not something they generally have to do if the ball is "thrown right to them". Willson went right to the ball, not the other way around.

However:

he knew Luke was over there, if you relook at the video at about the 8 second mark just before Russell again turns to his left he saw Luke leaking out and knew it.

This I agree with, and in fact I think the play was probably designed to go to him. RW just got gobbled by the pressure so had to throw it up for grabs.

A money play. A clutch play. But hardly a good demonstration of the cannon hanging from his right shoulder.

[burrrton]

If you're hell bent to hand out a compliment for that play, you'd be better off noting that it was a very smart play in that it was his last resort and being that it was a conversion attempt, he had absolutely nothing to lose.

Exactly. It was a tough play that RW has, so far, made a living making happen. He's as clutch a guy as I've ever seen.

Additionally, he has an exceptionally strong arm.

This play is simply an ideal showcase of the former, but not the latter.

[Anthony]

This I agree with, and in fact I think the play was probably designed to go to him. RW just got gobbled by the pressure so had to throw it up for grabs.

A money play. A clutch play. But hardly a good demonstration of the cannon hanging from his right shoulder.

Dude the problem is once again you have provided nothing that proves the throw he made does not show his arm strength. The video itself if you are watching with an open mind shows it. Once again throwing a 30 yard pass, whiel running the other direction, with a guy hitting you and throwing it to the other side of the field shows arm strength, how much that is open for discussion but it does show arm strength and was a play very few QBs could have made. As to Luke stopping and adjusting, wow you mean WR/TE never have to stop, slow down, change direction or adjust to a throw ever. WOW The fact that running the other direction, throwing while going backwords while getting hit Wilson could even get the ball that far in Lukes direction was incredible at that point Luke should make adjustment. Now again if you want to argue just how much it shows his arm strength fine but it does not change the fact you need arm strength to pull that off with all the factors involved.

[burrrton]

Dude the problem is once again you have provided nothing that proves the throw he made does not show his arm strength.

LOL. You want me to run the physics of it versus the average Division 1 QB or something??

I'm sorry, Anthony, but if you think that was some exceptional demonstration of NFL-caliber arm strength, you're bananas.

Now go keep winning with these great arguments of yours. You sound reasonable. I'm done.

Now again if you want to argue just how much it shows his arm strength fine but it does not change the fact you need arm strength to pull that off with all the factors involved.

Very good. You need "arm strength". See what's missing from that statement versus what it's intended to demonstrate?

[Anthony]

Very good. You need "arm strength". See what's missing from that statement versus what it's intended to demonstrate?

Hmm So lets see you have nothing and I am bananas. Dude you were saying the plays does not show you need arm strength you just admitted it does, thanks for admitting your wrong. FYI I provided a link to a video showing Wilson great arm strength and instead of saying yeah that does you decide to argue over weather that play shows his arm strength which it does. Like I said you just wanted to argue. so fine argue oh wait you already admitted you were wrong.

[burrrton]

I am bananas.

Correct.

Like I said you just wanted to argue. so fine argue oh wait you already admitted you were wrong.

Hey, Anthony- turn around quick and look up and behind you- that's the point of my last post that just when whooshing over your head.

Perfect place to leave this.

[Anthony]

Hey, Anthony- turn around quick and look up and behind you- that's the point of my last post that just when whooshing over your head.

Perfect place to leave this.

LOl so in other words you now know you wrong and instead of just manning up your going to be childish no worries go it.