Bruce Irvin Trade?

[HumanCockroach]

Not once have I ever said anything that could be even remotely associated with the term "wasted" in relation to our drafting Irvin. My argument has always been that he was not worth the #15 overall. That doesn't mean I thought that we "wasted" the pick

My mistake, must have been another poster claiming he a wasn't starter two seasons ago, and that Smith was, or that he was a bust, didn't provide double digit sacks his rookie season (because you can't count the playoffs I believe) that his snap count against passing teams were near non existent, or that an "expectation" for quality play, is somehow tied in to paying top FIVE in the NFL for said player, or that tackle totals somehow tells the whole story...( amongst other claims, including how he had a checkered past)

You crack me up, you really do...

You can say it, I promise, no one is going to hold it against you if you say he is a "quality" starter in the NFL, because, well he is indeed.

One could make a fairly compelling argument as well that not only was he worth the 15th pick, but was possibly a top 5 pick in that first round had they been able to re pick that draft .

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NFL_draft

[RiverDog]

The decision not to pick up Irvin's option does not mean we don't want him on the team, even though that's the way it must have seemed to him initially. What it means is that we don't want his $7M cap hit. He can actually come out ahead with a decent signing bonus on a long term contract that can still save us a couple Mil (or more) in cap space this year to help us shoe horn in Russ and Bobby.

Yea, Irvin went on a profane tirade when he found out we weren't picking up his option. Damn that Twitter. Pete did say that they had a talk with Irvin and that things went well, however, after their blind defense of Frank Clark, I'm not sure how much we can trust our FO to accurately state things. They're not going to tell us anything that we don't want to hear.


So barring a long term agreement within the next couple of months, unlikely considering pending negotiations with Russell and Wagner, Irvin is going to have to play for his contract, so we'll see how badly we want him on the team after this season. Regardless of whether or not he's in our long term future, it was a smart move to postpone a decision on him.

[RiverDog]

You can say it, I promise, no one is going to hold it against you if you say he is a "quality" starter in the NFL, because, well he is indeed.

One could make a fairly compelling argument as well that not only was he worth the 15th pick, but was possibly a top 5 pick in that first round had they been able to re pick that draft .

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NFL_draft

Why should I say it? If you think I said that Irvin was a wasted pick or a bust, you're certainly not going to remember my saying that he's a quality starter. You'll find some way to twist my words.

Irvin a top 5 pick in a re-draft? Christ Almighty, he'd be lucky to be a top 3 pick in our own redraft (Wilson, Wagner, and Sweezy, all "quality" starters). Besides, even though the first round of the 2012 draft didn't produce a lot of All Pro players, the fact that most teams are satisfied enough with their #1 choice to pick up their 5th year option, I think it's highly unlikely that Irvin would be re-drafted at #15 overall. I know we wouldn't take him, not with Russell and Wagner in that mix.

[HumanCockroach]

There you go again tying a fifth year option being exercised into " quality" of play, each team has there own issues to deal with, and until you can show me a team that has even a REMOTELY similar situation that the Seahawks are currently in with multiple all pros and pro bowl players that are YOUNG, PAID already, and a franchise QB as well as a premier MLB to extend, your words will continue to show your bias, that has been abundantly apparent since they made the pick.

You claimed in THIS thread that it was a "push", citing his "disappearance" , , he may not be in the "top three" in Seattle's draft that season, in your opinion, but that was NOT what I was talking about was it? You claimed he was not " worth" the 15th pick, I provided a link to th draft, please review the first round selections, and let me know what 15 plus first round picks have produced at a better level than Irvin, unless you have 15+ of those names from that first round, you are blowing hot air.

Being a "quality" starter by definition MAKES him worth the 15th pick, doesn't it? And if in your book it dies not do that, it once again illustrates the unrealistic expectations you have for the 15th pick.