Wilson deal close?

[Hawktawk]

I fear things are a little further off track than some what to believe. Schneider news conference was a bit unnerving with quotes like "we'd love to have Russell as our QB but we have to keep this core of people who have made us successful together"....WTF isn't Wilson really the core of the Apple!!!!!!!!!!??Don't you say "we will get this done, Russell is our guy"????
I'm officially worried. I believe there is a struggle within the power structure of the Hawks deciding what RW is really worth to this franchise. And as great a guy and leader RW is I could see a point where he gets tired of being low balled.
Maybe thats why PC sold his house.....Low balling Wilson is flat out dishonest. The guy won you a Superbowl for under a million a year. Pay him.
Come on dont F this up guys!!!

[RiverDog]

Something tells me this is getting blown out of proportion by particular media types. I guess that "something" is the rash of hysteria I've witnessed this past year regarding Marshawn Lynch not going into the locker-room, RW not being "black enough," Percy Harvin dividing the locker room, Marshawn not talking before the SB, Marshawn talking in Turkey after the SB, Marshawn not wanting to get on the bus, Bennett wanting to be traded, etc, etc. While there may be elements of truth to various extents in each of these, the inferences that these predicated doom for the Seattle Seahawks proved flawed. As we saw, what was not reported was the ability of the Seahawks to overcome their internal challenges, with the end result - once we got past all the noise - was making it to the Super Bowl for a second consecutive year. Could there be something strange going on between RW and the F.O.? Sure. But maybe its not so strange ... maybe its just business. The media has proven to me that they are much more adept at stirring the pot than they are at predicting the real story.

Nothing John Schneider said was out of line with good business practice (sure, I agree that Nate Burleson is not a good comparison, but I do understand his point). Maybe he is trying to work RW down. So what? At the end of the day, I doubt he'll let RW go. While I wish something would be settled sooner rather than later to make me feel better, I don't blame either party for letting this process play out - even if its longer than we want. There is a fine line here, of course: how far do you take it, and what influence will it have on the player's performance? J.S. is not a fool, and RW is resilient. I think they'll get it done, and it may not be till next year. I'd rather not wait, but if we step back and look with critical eyes at this whole thing ... it might make sense to.

GO SEAHAWKS!!!

Nice post, SBB! That sums up exactly how I feel. The only thing I'd change is that I would modify your "I doubt he'll let RW go" to "no way he'll let RW go".

[Anthony]

I fear things are a little further off track than some what to believe. Schneider news conference was a bit unnerving with quotes like "we'd love to have Russell as our QB but we have to keep this core of people who have made us successful together"....WTF isn't Wilson really the core of the Apple!!!!!!!!!!??Don't you say "we will get this done, Russell is our guy"????
I'm officially worried. I believe there is a struggle within the power structure of the Hawks deciding what RW is really worth to this franchise. And as great a guy and leader RW is I could see a point where he gets tired of being low balled.
Maybe thats why PC sold his house.....Low balling Wilson is flat out dishonest. The guy won you a Superbowl for under a million a year. Pay him.
Come on dont F this up guys!!!

You hit it, those comments by JS are what concerned me the most. There is a possibility this gets very nasty and in the end after this year we are without our QB. If that does happen it will cost us way more than just our QB. There will be major issues with other players, and FAs will think twice before coming here. Not to mention JSs insinuation that Wilson is not part of the core could have already caused damage and to me makes JS look bad when you consider Wilson is in Hawaii with the tam doing work, and Wilson was the one who arranged the whole thing. JS is playing a dangerous game here. Lets hope he figures it out soon,

[HumanCockroach]

Conjecture, nerves, insecurity, boredom and off season equals a whole bunch of conspiracy theories, nervous nellies, and "look at me" made up reporters.

[Anthony]

Conjecture, nerves, insecurity, boredom and off season equals a whole bunch of conspiracy theories, nervous nellies, and "look at me" made up reporters.

some that is true but JSs comments are from him and are not exactly good. ""What I can tell you is that this is the ultimate team sport, we have a track record of rewarding our players that we recognize as core players," Schneider said. "We're going into our sixth draft now -- I can't believe that; we've been here for a while now -- but just that track record of being able to make those tough decisions.""

JS could have added and Wilson is one of our corp players. However he did not. They paid Et top dollar, they paid Sherman top dollar, they paid Kam top dollar, they let Lynch hold them hostage 2 years in a row despite saying that is not how they do business. None of these statements were made with regards to any of those players. However now they are being made.

""Every negotiation is unique in and of itself and this is no different," Schneider said. "Ultimate team sport, he's our quarterback, we'd love him to be our quarterback. But the thing is, we need to keep as many of these guys together as we possibly can.""

Really and yet those others all got paid top dollar. Had you paid them all 500k less you would have 2 mil more now. This should be concerning how no talk like this for those guys or Wagner but for Wilson there is, it could be nothing, but it could be they do not value Wilson as much as they should, or they believe their own hype that any QB would do. We will see, but the more JS talks the more it makes things worse, meanwhile our franchise QB says little to nothing and just arranges and runs off seasons workouts, while JS talks to the media about the situation.

I recall another GM wanting to make his own mark, feeling he did not get the credit he deserved it cost us our starting left guard and it cost us a lot more than that.

All I am saying is to totally ignore all the talk especially when some of it comes form PS would be foolish, were there is smoke there is fire. JS cold have easily just said we do not negotiate in the media and we are working on the deal we want Wilson, Wilson wants to stay and we will keep working on it. Instead he made several rather telling statements.

As of now until eh is resigned I would be worried very worried. We will see.

[obiken]

What ever will be will be. Doris Day

[HumanCockroach]

When this FO makes a series of mistakes in regards to evaluating importance to the continued success of this team, I will indeed worry, they haven't made those mistakes, so I'm not. You have an answer within your own post ( each situation is different) , and believe it or not, the QB never wins a SB alone. Been saying it for three years, and Schneider just CONFIRMED the same.

Yes, they want Wilson, BUT, they are NOT going to decimate the REST of the team to do so. Anyone who WANTS that is an idiot.

[mykc14]

None of these statements were made with regards to any of those players. However now they are being made.

Maybe not those exact quotes but there was plenty said by PC and JS about Lynch last offseason and this offseason. Nothing he said makes me think they are going to try to lowball RW. They offered all of those other guys you mentioned what they thought they were worth and they will do the same with RW. We don't know the ins and outs of the negotiations but we do know they have never had a problem paying their guys and RW is certainly one of their guys. At the same time if any of those guys wanted a ridiculous amount of money they would not have paid them. We don't know what they have offered RW and we don't know what RW is asking for. Here's what I do know there is still a lot of offseason left and this is going to be a big, complicated contract and I wouldn't be surprised to see a little posturing on both sides.

[Anthony]

When this FO makes a series of mistakes in regards to evaluating importance to the continued success of this team, I will indeed worry, they haven't made those mistakes, so I'm not. You have an answer within your own post ( each situation is different) , and believe it or not, the QB never wins a SB alone. Been saying it for three years, and Schneider just CONFIRMED the same.

Yes, they want Wilson, BUT, they are NOT going to decimate the REST of the team to do so. Anyone who WANTS that is an idiot.

True they don't but very few teams have ever won an SB with out having a great to elite QB, been saying that for years but some do not get that but the facts and history show sit, and last I checked great to Elite QBs do not grow on trees. FYI a great defense does not win an SB by its said and neither does an RB, However as every expert and anyone who watched football knows the QB has the biggest influence on it and is far and away the most important. I and most experts having been saying that for years.

[HumanCockroach]

No a great defense or great RB don't win it often either ( though as rare as that feat is it HAS happened) not a single "franchise" or great QB I am aware of has ever won a SB with an absolute SHITE team around them though.

[Anthony]

No a great defense or great RB don't win it often either ( though as rare as that feat is it HAS happened) not a single "franchise" or great QB I am aware of has ever won a SB with an absolute SHITE team around them though.

You could say that about a great defense or RB too, they did not win it with SHITE around them either. However again there are way more teams winning with a great QB and decent RB and Def, then teams with crappy QBs, and decent RB and great defense. So I guess the question is do you want the best chance or just a chance. The best chance starts with a great QB, that is a historical fact.

[savvyman]

Another "Probably" what is getting in the way of this deal being done is that Russell's agent could be getting in the way - I read somewhere that this will be his first NFL deal.

If the Seahawk's can get Russell to sign for less then he is worth (i.e. team or cap friendly deal) then this will not look to good for future prospecting of NFL players for Russell's agent - He will be seen as getting less than full value and thus players in the future won't want to sign with him.

So don't discount Russell's agent future career goals and ambitions as factors in these negotiations.

The deal would probably be much further along if Russell had an agent who was much more established.

Things are not looking real good at the moment - still no time to panic or anything like that - But as I stated in the commentary above - I feel the real issue that is keeping this deal from getting done is that this is Russell's agent first NFL contract and if he allows Russell to sign for a "Team Friendly Deal" it will hurt his ability to recruit and sign new players in the future.

See Both Pete & John have reached out to Russell via the press - hoping that Russell will take over the negotiations and instruct his agent to agree to something less than full maximum, market value - so that they can keep other important pieces of the team together - kinda like a certain much maligned on these boards QB by the name of Colin K. did.....

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/03/carroll-says-ball-currently-is-in-wilsons-court/


>>>>>>>Carroll says ball currently is in Wilson’s court


Posted by Mike Florio on May 3, 2015, 10:16 PM EDT


Here’s an item that was largely overlooked in the aftermath of the 2015 NFL draft — the player selected with the 75th pick in the 2012 NFL draft is no closer to a new deal.

In an interview with ESPN, Carroll said that talks with quarterback Russell Wilson are “going a little slow,” but that the process is “ongoing,” via Bob Condotta of the Seattle Times.

As it relates to the formal exchange of offers and counteroffers, it won’t be going anywhere until Wilson’s camp responds to whatever Seattle most recently put on the table. Carroll specifically said that the team is “waiting to hear from their side.”

Condotta notes that, shortly after Carroll’s interview, Wilson responded with this message on Twitter: “I’d rather patiently wait & see what God has in store than do something that isn’t best for my life.”

That sounds like Wilson may not be responding any time soon, if at all. It possibly means Wilson will decide to play out his contract, forcing the Seahawks to decide whether to apply the exclusive or non-exclusive version of the franchise tag. <<<<<<<<<<

[Seahawks4Ever]

I will NEVER believe another word out of Schneider's mouth. Schneider and Carroll got spoiled because they didn't have to pay squat for Wilson and now that they do they are low balling him. They are basically telling Wilson that, no, you Russell are not one of "core" players we want to keep. Pete and John are sending a message to RW that they feel they can win with any joker at QB. Maybe they want to go back to T-Jack???

Schneider has made bad deals that have hurt the team. Rice, Harvin, throwing away 1st. Rd. picks, etc...

We are witnessing a team that should have been a dynasty run off the best QB we have ever had.

[c_hawkbob]

I will NEVER believe another word out of Schneider's mouth. Schneider and Carroll got spoiled because they didn't have to pay squat for Wilson and now that they do they are low balling him. They are basically telling Wilson that, no, you Russell are not one of "core" players we want to keep. Pete and John are sending a message to RW that they feel they can win with any joker at QB. Maybe they want to go back to T-Jack???

Schneider has made bad deals that have hurt the team. Rice, Harvin, throwing away 1st. Rd. picks, etc...

We are witnessing a team that should have been a dynasty run off the best QB we have ever had.

Man at least wait till training camp to go to those extremes. If he signs a nice fat contract before camp everything you just said will be blown out of the water.

[NorthHawk]

If they do "run off the best QB we have ever had", it will be the last we see of this regime.
There will probably be a big revolt and whenever we lose because of QB play, we will be reminded of it.

I don't think they are that stupid. It's still part of the business game that agents and Front Offices throughout professional sports play.
It might get tense and we might end up FTing Wilson, but again, that's still part of the game.

[Anthony]

If they do "run off the best QB we have ever had", it will be the last we see of this regime.
There will probably be a big revolt and whenever we lose because of QB play, we will be reminded of it.

I don't think they are that stupid. It's still part of the business game that agents and Front Offices throughout professional sports play.
It might get tense and we might end up FTing Wilson, but again, that's still part of the game.

I am very sure if it comes to that the Tag will not be on the table or Wilson will not be in camp. It is an interesting game being played. We do not know what the current offer is, it might be 20+mil and 50+ guaranteed, or it might be 15 mil 30 mil guaranteed. However I am very sure if no deal is done by camp the tag will be off the table or Wilson will not be at camp.

[NorthHawk]

He's under contract for this year, isn't he?
It means he would get the FT next year if it came to that.

[Hawktawk]

Technically Seattle doesn't have to do anything until after the season right? Still it would be a travesty not to make this man one of if not the highest paid qb in history ASAP!!!!. He took a .500 team to 3 playoff winning seasons including back to back SBs with a lousy line and a weak receiving corps, no apologies due to ADB.

Im getting nervous with this game of chicken. Pay the dude...

[NorthHawk]

He's guaranteed to get a pretty good payday no matter how it works out, but now that the draft is over, more resources can be devoted to this.

[Anthony]

He's under contract for this year, isn't he?
It means he would get the FT next year if it came to that.

You are assuming he will not hold out this year to take the tag off the table something that has been done before and it would be in his best interest to not have the tag on the table. So do not be surprised if he holds out.

[Anthony]

Technically Seattle doesn't have to do anything until after the season right? Still it would be a travesty not to make this man one of if not the highest paid qb in history ASAP!!!!. He took a .500 team to 3 playoff winning seasons including back to back SBs with a lousy line and a weak receiving corps, no apologies due to ADB.

Im getting nervous with this game of chicken. Pay the dude...

IF not deal is done by camp time be prepared for a hold out unless the tag is already off the table or they are close.

[Anthony]

He's guaranteed to get a pretty good payday no matter how it works out, but now that the draft is over, more resources can be devoted to this.

Your thinking small yes with a tag he gets a pretty good one season payday with no guarantees, and if he gets hurt he is done. This could get very messy and could cost us this coming year.

[Anthony]

I will NEVER believe another word out of Schneider's mouth. Schneider and Carroll got spoiled because they didn't have to pay squat for Wilson and now that they do they are low balling him. They are basically telling Wilson that, no, you Russell are not one of "core" players we want to keep. Pete and John are sending a message to RW that they feel they can win with any joker at QB. Maybe they want to go back to T-Jack???

Schneider has made bad deals that have hurt the team. Rice, Harvin, throwing away 1st. Rd. picks, etc...

We are witnessing a team that should have been a dynasty run off the best QB we have ever had.

I recall seeing something were someone was speculating they were trying to keep the guaranteed money for Wilson the same as Sherman. If that is true then there is you sticking point and it could be huge.

[savvyman]

Went over to Russell's Twitter to see if he was sharing any thoughts on this contract situation.

Instead I found a 12 year old boy in love ....... lol


https://twitter.com/dangerusswilson