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by **NorthHawk** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:30 pm

Wilson joined the team the same year as Wagner.
Look how we have dominated since.

I'm not saying Wagner is the reason we improved, but look how our record improved when the Defense improved.
The Defense also gave the Offense more opportunities by way of 3 and outs and turnovers.

The statement that started this discussion was Wilson was the only thing that changed from 2011 to 2012.
Clearly that's not the case.

by **c_hawkbob** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 5:49 pm

Hawk Sista wrote:Remember that guy who thought Kyle Boller was the answer? Did he go by the handle QB or something? That was a funny gig, right there. At least RW3 is good enough for someone to jock sniff him.

My response to all of this is:

a) Jeeeeez, we must be bored....four pages of grown-ups saying the same thing?? Sup with that?
b) RW is a stud. He makes our team much, much better. We need to pay the man or we will rue the day.
c) We are a defensive minded team with a strong running game, indeed.
d) ^^The above statement does not mean that RW3 has not had a major impact on this team's upward trajectory.
e) Saying the O was "along for the ride" is not paying attention to Hawk football.
f) A team is only as good as the sum of its 53 parts. There are positions that are weighted more heavily than others for several reasons...like Hard as hell to find the right guy. QB, CB, LT and DE come to mind...
g) This is the history of the Hawks performance since Pete arrived:

2010
Offense - 23rd in points/game & 28th in yards/game
Defense - 25th in giving up points per/game & 27th in giving up yards/game

2011
Offense - 23rd in points/game & 27th in yards/game
Defense - 7th in giving up points per/game & 9th in giving up yards/game

-----------Russell Wilson Joins the team (yes, I'm smart enough to know there are other factors involved)--------------
2012
Offense - 9th in points per game & 17th in yards per game
Defense - 1st in giving up points per/game & 4th in giving up yards/game

2013
Offense - 8th in points per game & 16th in yards per game
Defense - 1st in giving up points per/game & 1st in giving up yards/game

2014
Offense - 10th in points per game & 9th in yards per game
Defense - 1st in giving up points per/game & 1st in giving up yards/game

This^ to the letter!

by **mykc14** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:02 pm

Hawk Sista wrote:Remember that guy who thought Kyle Boller was the answer? Did he go by the handle QB or something? That was a funny gig, right there. At least RW3 is good enough for someone to jock sniff him.

My response to all of this is:

a) Jeeeeez, we must be bored....four pages of grown-ups saying the same thing?? Sup with that?
b) RW is a stud. He makes our team much, much better. We need to pay the man or we will rue the day.
c) We are a defensive minded team with a strong running game, indeed.
d) ^^The above statement does not mean that RW3 has not had a major impact on this team's upward trajectory.
e) Saying the O was "along for the ride" is not paying attention to Hawk football.
f) A team is only as good as the sum of its 53 parts. There are positions that are weighted more heavily than others for several reasons...like Hard as hell to find the right guy. QB, CB, LT and DE come to mind...
g) This is the history of the Hawks performance since Pete arrived:

2010

Offense - 23rd in points/game & 28th in yards/game
Defense - 25th in giving up points per/game & 27th in giving up yards/game

2011
Offense - 23rd in points/game & 27th in yards/game
Defense - 7th in giving up points per/game & 9th in giving up yards/game

-----------Russell Wilson Joins the team (yes, I'm smart enough to know there are other factors involved)--------------
2012
Offense - 9th in points per game & 17th in yards per game
Defense - 1st in giving up points per/game & 4th in giving up yards/game

2013
Offense - 8th in points per game & 16th in yards per game
Defense - 1st in giving up points per/game & 1st in giving up yards/game

2014
Offense - 10th in points per game & 9th in yards per game
Defense - 1st in giving up points per/game & 1st in giving up yards/game

Well said and I completely agree.

by **RiverDog** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:32 pm

Jeeeeez, we must be bored....four pages of grown-ups saying the same thing?? Sup with that?

One word: Anthony.

b) RW is a stud. He makes our team much, much better. We need to pay the man or we will rue the day.

Absouletly. He's the difference between a team in search of the playoffs and one in search of Lombardi's.

c) We are a defensive minded team with a strong running game, indeed.

Yup.

d) ^^The above statement does not mean that RW3 has not had a major impact on this team's upward trajectory.

Agreed.

e) Saying the O was "along for the ride" is not paying attention to Hawk football.

Yea, I'm not sure why North used that term. He definetly pays attention to Hawk football. Just an opinion that I don't agree with.

by **Steady_Hawk** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:58 pm

That was Star's excuse, I think Anthony's just a bit obsessive but yes, they do seem eerily similar don't they?

To be very honest Bob, I'm just happy that we have a guy on our team that causes people like Anthony to exist.

by **Hawktawk** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:10 pm

A guy who can throw for 3500 yards and rip off another 850 rushing is a game changer dont you think?Wilson is absolutely 90 percent of the reason the Hawks have had the 3 season ride since he got here.LOB or whatever hes the straw that stirs the seahawks drink

by **HumanCockroach** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:59 pm

And yet you felt the need to ensure that we knew the offense was a long for the ride, thus trivializing the offense and Wilson in a thread about Wilson and cannot even see it. That is my point

- Anthony

I said, and did no such thing, nor do I agree with it.

by **HumanCockroach** » Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:12 pm

Oh, and goose meet gander. How DARE you disrespect Lynch in this fashion on thread to "praise" Lynch. LMFAO

Re: Beast is Coming Back!! by Anthony » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:34 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:

there is NO way this is bad! None, zero, zip, nada. I have no idea what you got in your head makes you think this could be bad ...

It all depends on what they do in FA and Draft, and in play design. You guys are looking at the right here and right now, I am looking at not just now but in the next 2+ years. Another year of Lynch, another year of not improving the pass blocking, another year of no real #1 wr, and the same high school play design, another year of having to cater to Lynch, another year of people saying its Lynchs team not Wilsons, another year of not preparing for life without Lynch and Wilson growth is slowed some more. That is my concern, but as I said I will wait till FA and the draft before I really worry. If everything stays as is, then it was a bad thing, if they make some improvements in the areas noted above than it was not a bad thing. Its pretty simple. Are they going to start preparing for life without Lynch and give Wilson the weapons he needs to succeed or is it going to stay status quo. Keeping Lynch allows them to stay status quo, Lynch leaving forces them to do what must be done

by **Hawk Sista** » Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:26 am

Thanks for the head bobbin, boys.

I coulda added one more to my list of observations - & that is "more than one thing can be true at the same time." RW & Bobby came in the same year & both impacted the team in special ways, particularly being that they were rooks. We all want Bobby to be signed and I think that's gonna happen. If it were between Bobby and Russell, which it totally isn't, I almost always choose the position that's harder to fill. Franchise QBs are harder to find & more impactful overall than MLBs and that's a fact. No dissin' wags here. He's in the top 3 of his position group and a fast as hell rare athlete. We will keep him.

But this is a thread about RW. We all believe that he's gonna be a seahawk for a loooong while and also agree that is a good thing. I understand the points about a strong running game and #1 d helping the winning % for RW3 (similar to Brady's early years) without acknowledging the other elements is to be black n white... To push all your chips to one side of the ball (talkin to both camps here) is to ignore the symbiotic nature of the game. The play in all three phases impacts the other. And whether he's light blue or dark blue, RW would be the single most difficult player to replace in the league, let alone on the Seahawks (ok, I'll cop to some homerism on that part of that point...but it's at minimum true of the Hawks). AND STILL, @ the very same time, it is also true that wags, beast, Jimmy, ADB, max (oooops, no max

), Sherm, Cliff, Bennett, KJ, Earl, Sherm and Kam make us SB contenders.

Live in the gray a little. It's less stressful in here.

by **Hawktown** » Fri Apr 03, 2015 7:47 am

HumanCockroach wrote:Oh, and goose meet gander. How DARE you disrespect Lynch in this fashion on thread to "praise" Lynch. LMFAO

Re: Beast is Coming Back!! by Anthony » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:34 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:

there is NO way this is bad! None, zero, zip, nada. I have no idea what you got in your head makes you think this could be bad ...

It all depends on what they do in FA and Draft, and in play design. You guys are looking at the right here and right now, I am looking at not just now but in the next 2+ years. Another year of Lynch, another year of not improving the pass blocking, another year of no real #1 wr, and the same high school play design, another year of having to cater to Lynch, another year of people saying its Lynchs team not Wilsons, another year of not preparing for life without Lynch and Wilson growth is slowed some more. That is my concern, but as I said I will wait till FA and the draft before I really worry. If everything stays as is, then it was a bad thing, if they make some improvements in the areas noted above than it was not a bad thing. Its pretty simple. Are they going to start preparing for life without Lynch and give Wilson the weapons he needs to succeed or is it going to stay status quo. Keeping Lynch allows them to stay status quo, Lynch leaving forces them to do what must be done

by **Anthony** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:25 am

HumanCockroach wrote:Oh, and goose meet gander. How DARE you disrespect Lynch in this fashion on thread to "praise" Lynch. LMFAO

Re: Beast is Coming Back!! by Anthony » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:34 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:

there is NO way this is bad! None, zero, zip, nada. I have no idea what you got in your head makes you think this could be bad ...

It all depends on what they do in FA and Draft, and in play design. You guys are looking at the right here and right now, I am looking at not just now but in the next 2+ years. Another year of Lynch, another year of not improving the pass blocking, another year of no real #1 wr, and the same high school play design, another year of having to cater to Lynch, another year of people saying its Lynchs team not Wilsons, another year of not preparing for life without Lynch and Wilson growth is slowed some more. That is my concern, but as I said I will wait till FA and the draft before I really worry. If everything stays as is, then it was a bad thing, if they make some improvements in the areas noted above than it was not a bad thing. Its pretty simple. Are they going to start preparing for life without Lynch and give Wilson the weapons he needs to succeed or is it going to stay status quo. Keeping Lynch allows them to stay status quo, Lynch leaving forces them to do what must be done

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That great but were did I say anything downplaying Lynchs importance to the team. le me remind you of my first post that started this

"That is not the point to all of this, and never has been. The point is how little credit Wilson is given for his impact on this team, perhaps mostly outside of seattle, and how all this shows the exact opposite. However give some of yours opinions perhaps it is understandable since some of you here ins Seattle are unwilling to give him the credit he deserves or want to trivialize it. The fact is he is the one player who losing would do the most damage to our team, period."

Note the part of about trivialize or not giving credit. Were did I say anything that trivialized Lynch? Answer I did not. I did not say the run game is along for the ride for instance. SO thanks but you did not prove anything, unless of course this is were you try to twist the point around to suite your needs. However if we keep in in the subject of my stance then your quote form me proves nothing, except that I did not trivialize Lynch.

by **HumanCockroach** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 10:50 am

I have not one thing to " prove" you felt it necessary to make a big deal about something North posted (while crediting multiple other posters with things they did not post) claiming the person that started the thread in the first place was not staying on topic. If you had not been so Damn obsessed with being "proven right". And could see past your own obsession with Wilson, you would realise it. You have never to the best of my knowledge been able to avoid believing that all success is the QB and only the QB, it isn't so no matter if it is hate for Hasselbeck or love for Wilson.

by **Anthony** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:50 pm

HumanCockroach wrote:I have not one thing to " prove" you felt it necessary to make a big deal about something North posted (while crediting multiple other posters with things they did not post) claiming the person that started the thread in the first place was not staying on topic. If you had not been so Damn obsessed with being "proven right". And could see past your own obsession with Wilson, you would realise it. You have never to the best of my knowledge been able to avoid believing that all success is the QB and only the QB, it isn't so no matter if it is hate for Hasselbeck or love for Wilson.

Your last statement alone proves you really have not read my 0posts, as I have stated on numerous occasions that it takes a team, but that the QB is the most important person on the team. Add to that again you missed the point. That is ok as I, having made my point am fine with moving on.

by **HumanCockroach** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 4:17 pm

Whatever. You insisting the QB is the "most important" is your opinion, and chastising others for a differing opinion does not make it anymore of a fact. This thread went off the rails once you took up this banner, not before as you continue to insist. Mentioning another player that needs a contract extension on a thread about a contract extension (not as you continue toinsist a thread about praising a single players accomplishments, skill or importance) which is common, and happens in EVERY thread of this sort.

by **monkey** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:17 pm

NorthHawk wrote:My thought is our Offense isn't asked to carry the team like the Packers, New Orleans, Denver, and others, but our Defense is counted on to make big plays and be the difference by stopping those high powered Offenses. That leaves our Offense as a second thought in the priority of the team.

Huh...I couldn't disagree more if you asked me to try. The offense was asked to make big plays all year long. In fact, in the Superbowl, the only reason we were half a yard from winning was the offense, as the defense (at least the defense without Lane) went into the crapper and allowed Brady, Gronk and Edelman to essentially move the ball at will. It was our offense that carried us in that game, and several others throughout the season.
A top ten offense that is based on pounding the ball with the run game, INTENTIONALLY, so as to always keep us in every game, is anything but a second thought. It's every bit as important as our defense, it's just not the same as the Packers and Saints high volume passing attacks you mentioned, because we run the ball more, and rely on big plays in the passing game more as well (which makes that whole boring Seahawks offense nonsense, just that...nonsense!).

NorthHawk wrote:I sincerely hope the thinking is changing,

Why?!? So we can rely too heavily on the passing game like the Packers, Cowboys, Saints, etc... and not make it to any more Super Bowl like them?
Screw that! I hope they don't change one darned thing!!! I like winning! I want to keep running the ball down everyone's throat, because it works, it's been PROVEN to work, and work BETTER than the stupid high volume attacks that get the media all hot and excited.

by **Anthony** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:56 pm

HumanCockroach wrote:I have not one thing to " prove" you felt it necessary to make a big deal about something North posted (while crediting multiple other posters with things they did not post) claiming the person that started the thread in the first place was not staying on topic. If you had not been so Damn obsessed with being "proven right". And could see past your own obsession with Wilson, you would realise it. You have never to the best of my knowledge been able to avoid believing that all success is the QB and only the QB, it isn't so no matter if it is hate for Hasselbeck or love for Wilson.

Actually it is the opinion of pretty much every expert there is and is backed by a boatload of facts.

by **HumanCockroach** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:21 am

Pass, not interested in being dragged off topic again in another fabricated debate, Anthony. The initial manufactured debate has run it's course, and I'm simply not interested in explaining that teams win SB's not QB's to you again in depth. If QB was and is the only thing you believe wins Championships I can't help you.

by **Anthony** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:56 pm

HumanCockroach wrote:Pass, not interested in being dragged off topic again in another fabricated debate, Anthony. The initial manufactured debate has run it's course, and I'm simply not interested in explaining that teams win SB's not QB's to you again in depth. If QB was and is the only thing you believe wins Championships I can't help you.

by **obiken** » Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:18 am

Wilson to the Titans we save a boatload on the cap. We get Mariota, and he leads us into a brighter future!! :lol:

by **mykc14** » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:03 am

obiken wrote:Wilson to the Titans we save a boatload on the cap. We get Mariota, and he leads us into a brighter future!!

There is no team with a brighter future than the Hawks right now, with Wilson.

by **Hawktawk** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:08 pm

In a soon to be released interview Russel Wilson tells Bryan Gumbel of HBO that he has not given up on his dream of playing pro baseball and "would definitely play two sports". He said he "might push that envelope some day". I remember him immediately after the Super Bowl 48 the sound FX mike caught him telling PC "just think I could have been playing baseball". I wonder if this latest interview is intended to prod the contract negotiations forward with Seattle or is it just Russ being Russ?
Would there be a clause either permitting or forbidding Wilson to play another sport in any deal? If thats what it took to keep him a Hawk I suppose but I would rather he is 100% focused on the Seahawks.
Would Russ just walk away someday? How would Hawks fans feel about our franchise player dodging bean balls, blocking the bag and getting slid into trying to turn double plays?

by **RiverDog** » Mon Apr 13, 2015 7:12 pm

Hawktawk wrote:In a soon to be released interview Russel Wilson tells Bryan Gumbel of HBO that he has not given up on his dream of playing pro baseball and "would definitely play two sports". He said he "might push that envelope some day". I remember him immediately after the Super Bowl 48 the sound FX mike caught him telling PC "just think I could have been playing baseball". I wonder if this latest interview is intended to prod the contract negotiations forward with Seattle or is it just Russ being Russ?
Would there be a clause either permitting or forbidding Wilson to play another sport in any deal? If thats what it took to keep him a Hawk I suppose but I would rather he is 100% focused on the Seahawks.
Would Russ just walk away someday? How would Hawks fans feel about our franchise player dodging bean balls, blocking the bag and getting slid into trying to turn double plays?

Russell is not a great baseball player. In two years of Class A ball, which is roughly the equivalent of Division III in football, he batted just .229 with 5 HR's and 26 RBI's. He's been away from the game for quite some time now, over 4 years, so just getting back to where he was before he left the game will be a challenge. Competition for roster spots is intense, as baseball draws from a very diverse market. I seriously doubt that he could ever make a MLB roster let alone have any degree of success that would be comparable to the success he's had in the NFL.

by **Hawktawk** » Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:35 am

Russell is not a great baseball player. In two years of Class A ball, which is roughly the equivalent of Division III in football, he batted just .229 with 5 HR's and 26 RBI's. He's been away from the game for quite some time now, over 4 years, so just getting back to where he was before he left the game will be a challenge. Competition for roster spots is intense, as baseball draws from a very diverse market. I seriously doubt that he could ever make a MLB roster let alone have any degree of success that would be comparable to the success he's had in the NFL.[/quote]

Yes I had heard that his hitting was not stellar. Nonetheless his stature as a superstar transcends sports and makes him more attractive to a MLB franchise than his stats from years ago would suggest.The guy would put asses in the seats just to watch his defense which is likely all world. Either way it was reported on NFL network that the Schneider "revolutionary" contract proposal has gone absolutely nowhere and the Hawks are literally prepared to ask RW to play on the last year of his deal, then possibly tag him the following year. Granted its tough to believe anything the talking heads have said lately but you begin to wonder. The Hawks need to pay this man and do it soon IMO.

by **Anthony** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:36 am

Hawktawk wrote:Russell is not a great baseball player. In two years of Class A ball, which is roughly the equivalent of Division III in football, he batted just .229 with 5 HR's and 26 RBI's. He's been away from the game for quite some time now, over 4 years, so just getting back to where he was before he left the game will be a challenge. Competition for roster spots is intense, as baseball draws from a very diverse market. I seriously doubt that he could ever make a MLB roster let alone have any degree of success that would be comparable to the success he's had in the NFL.

Yes I had heard that his hitting was not stellar. Nonetheless his stature as a superstar transcends sports and makes him more attractive to a MLB franchise than his stats from years ago would suggest.The guy would put asses in the seats just to watch his defense which is likely all world. Either way it was reported on NFL network that the Schneider "revolutionary" contract proposal has gone absolutely nowhere and the Hawks are literally prepared to ask RW to play on the last year of his deal, then possibly tag him the following year. Granted its tough to believe anything the talking heads have said lately but you begin to wonder. The Hawks need to pay this man and do it soon IMO.[/quote]

I am betting if no deal is done, the Tag will not be on the table. Wilson would be foolish to play out his last year, dangling in the wind hopping he does not get hurt, knowing they will franchise him and he will do it all again. If they want him camp then the tag will be off the table. Presuming you believe the network which I do not.

by **Hawktawk** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:28 am

Presuming you believe the network which I do not.[/quote]
The report aired on NFL Network again today. Negotiations have begun but have gone "nowhere"Having Wilson play his option and possibly be tagged is still on the table.
RW is quoted as saying he doesn't worry about it and obviously he has the team practicing in Hawaii so we will see how this plays out.

by **RiverDog** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:11 pm

Anthony wrote:Yes I had heard that his hitting was not stellar. Nonetheless his stature as a superstar transcends sports and makes him more attractive to a MLB franchise than his stats from years ago would suggest.The guy would put asses in the seats just to watch his defense which is likely all world. Either way it was reported on NFL network that the Schneider "revolutionary" contract proposal has gone absolutely nowhere and the Hawks are literally prepared to ask RW to play on the last year of his deal, then possibly tag him the following year. Granted its tough to believe anything the talking heads have said lately but you begin to wonder. The Hawks need to pay this man and do it soon IMO.

I am betting if no deal is done, the Tag will not be on the table. Wilson would be foolish to play out his last year, dangling in the wind hopping he does not get hurt, knowing they will franchise him and he will do it all again. If they want him camp then the tag will be off the table. Presuming you believe the network which I do not.

Good defensive players in the MLB are a dime a dozen, and they can't afford a roster spot if that's all they can do. If Russell had blazing speed and was a base stealing threat, that would help his resume quite a bit, but his time out of the batter's box to first base was only 4.25, which ranks between average and above average for a right handed hitter so the odds that he could be a defensive/base running specialist is pretty low. If he is to make an MLB roster, he's going to have to hit, and there is simply no evidence that he has MLB hitting potential. Plus like I said earlier, he hasn't played for more than a couple of weeks in 4 years, and it's not like riding a bike where you can pick up right where you left off, especially when you've never faced major league pitching in games that count. Nor do I think his PR value will carry him very far. Roster spots are far too valuable. Like any other sport, the best way to put butts in the seats is to win games.

The deal is going to get done. If we get into August and haven't reached an agreement, then I'd start to worry. This time last year we still hadn't signed ET and RS. Once the draft is over, they'll get serious.

by **Anthony** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:59 pm

Hawktawk wrote:Presuming you believe the network which I do not.

The report aired on NFL Network again today. Negotiations have begun but have gone "nowhere"Having Wilson play his option and possibly be tagged is still on the table.
RW is quoted as saying he doesn't worry about it and obviously he has the team practicing in Hawaii so we will see how this plays out.[/quote]

I can almost guarantee he will not get tagged and if no deal is done the tag will be off the table or he will not report or report at the last minute.

by **Anthony** » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:01 pm

RiverDog wrote:
Good defensive players in the MLB are a dime a dozen, and they can't afford a roster spot if that's all they can do. If Russell had blazing speed and was a base stealing threat, that would help his resume quite a bit, but his time out of the batter's box to first base was only 4.25, which ranks between average and above average for a right handed hitter so the odds that he could be a defensive/base running specialist is pretty low. If he is to make an MLB roster, he's going to have to hit, and there is simply no evidence that he has MLB hitting potential. Plus like I said earlier, he hasn't played for more than a couple of weeks in 4 years, and it's not like riding a bike where you can pick up right where you left off, especially when you've never faced major league pitching in games that count. Nor do I think his PR value will carry him very far. Roster spots are far too valuable. Like any other sport, the best way to put butts in the seats is to win games.

The deal is going to get done. If we get into August and haven't reached an agreement, then I'd start to worry. This time last year we still hadn't signed ET and RS. Once the draft is over, they'll get serious.

FYI the stuff on the MLB was a quote that the site messed up on. My only point is the part about the tag

by **Anthony** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:40 am

We are in for a very very bumpy ride on this one and it could get ugly. Most of my concerns are starting to become bigger.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12698 ... gotiations

Lets say they do not want to pay more than 15 mil year. Lets say Wilson wants 18. So nothing happens. Camp comes Wilson holds out, he eventually comes in under the agreement they will not Tag him, which is why he would hold out. We then can say good by to Wilson because of the bad blood, and we can start looking for another franchise QB. The hawks need to be very very careful. They are not built for another QB. This team works at a championship level because you can go cheap on the oline and WR because of Wilson. Add to that the yearly Lynch will he or will he not retire, will he get more money etc. Add to that they have paid their "Core" guys at or near the top for their positions and well you can imagine how Wilson feels. I mean Kam, Et, Sherman all paid amongst the tops for their positions, Lynch holds out 2 years straight even though he was already making top 5 RB money he gets more, and now the FO wants to go cheap to Wilson. Now of course this could all be a smoke screen, everything could be fine and they will come to terms. But this article and those words by JS sure do make me think my original concerns are a bit bigger than I thought. This could get really ugly, and anyone who thinks we can afford to loose Wilson and would still be a SB team is nuts, and trust me if this goes down the wrong way it will impact the other players and any players that might want to come here. Again all that said I still think it gets done, but it is a huge concern right now.

by **c_hawkbob** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:52 am

Read more carefully Anthony, notice that all of that gloom and doom begins with "Let's say". It's speculation, all of it. It's bored reporters trying to sell copy when there's not much else going on in the NFL.

Until Training camp starts and Wilson pulls a no-show, don't believe a single word of it.

by **RiverDog** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:10 am

Anthony wrote:FYI the stuff on the MLB was a quote that the site messed up on. My only point is the part about the tag

Russell is not a free agent and is under contract until 2016. I do not understand why the franchise tag is a part of a conversation about extending his deal this season when it does not apply

by **Anthony** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:26 am

c_hawkbob wrote:Read more carefully Anthony, notice that all of that gloom and doom begins with "Let's say". It's speculation, all of it. It's bored reporters trying to sell copy when there's not much else going on in the NFL.

Until Training camp starts and Wilson pulls a no-show, don't believe a single word of it.

Fair enough however JS words do are concerning

by **Anthony** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 10:32 am

RiverDog wrote:
Russell is not a free agent and is under contract until 2016. I do not understand why the franchise tag is a part of a conversation about extending his deal this season when it does not apply

Because any leverage he might have for them to not use the tag on him after this season is this season. If he does nothing but is a good guy and comes in they could tag him next year and he has little leverage. They will not have any plan at QB this season, you wait and then could come up with a plan and he would be stuck either play or don't. So if no deal is done, you can bet either they will have agreed not to use the tag and he comes in, or he holds out till they agree not to use the tag. Both options are not good. But again lets wait and see I still think they get something done.

by **Seahawks4Ever** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:49 pm

We thought the screw up at the end of the Super Bowl was bad just wait until john and Pete blow re-signing R.W. Did I really hear Schneider compare the Wilson situation with that of Nate Burleson when they cut N.B. loose???

I am so glad I lived long enough to see our hawks win the Super Bowl, I certainly didn't think they would then try to set a world record in how to screw the pooch afterword though. I am hoping there is nothing to Schneider's comments, but maybe Peter better step in unless he wants to watch in horror while Schneid dismantles his S.B. contending team...

by **jshawaii22** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:07 pm

yeah, because we all know that WE know more then John Schneider does about running a football team. Let's just hand Russell 25m a year and make everyone happy. Damn, see how happy we all are?

js

by **Anthony** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:23 pm

If they are really trying to do this they are in deep trouble

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -contract/

"Russell Wilson is due for a new contract and Mike Florio believes the Seahawks will frame the negotiations in a way that makes the QB look greedy, citing the discount Colin Kaepernick took to help his team."

Not good

by **mykc14** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:35 am

Anthony wrote:If they are really trying to do this they are in deep trouble

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -contract/

"Russell Wilson is due for a new contract and Mike Florio believes the Seahawks will frame the negotiations in a way that makes the QB look greedy, citing the discount Colin Kaepernick took to help his team."

Not good

Florio is just trying to sell crap. RW already hit the incentives that CK needs to hit to make his money so that logic doesn't really follow. Again, I wouldn't worry about this too much until we get into training camp or the regular season. JS and PC have never treated their players like that and I don't expect them to now. I will trust their history in contract negotiations much more than Florio's attention grabbing tweets.

by **SalmonBB** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:34 pm

Something tells me this is getting blown out of proportion by particular media types. I guess that "something" is the rash of hysteria I've witnessed this past year regarding Marshawn Lynch not going into the locker-room, RW not being "black enough," Percy Harvin dividing the locker room, Marshawn not talking before the SB, Marshawn talking in Turkey after the SB, Marshawn not wanting to get on the bus, Bennett wanting to be traded, etc, etc. While there may be elements of truth to various extents in each of these, the inferences that these predicated doom for the Seattle Seahawks proved flawed. As we saw, what was not reported was the ability of the Seahawks to overcome their internal challenges, with the end result - once we got past all the noise - was making it to the Super Bowl for a second consecutive year. Could there be something strange going on between RW and the F.O.? Sure. But maybe its not so strange ... maybe its just business. The media has proven to me that they are much more adept at stirring the pot than they are at predicting the real story.

Nothing John Schneider said was out of line with good business practice (sure, I agree that Nate Burleson is not a good comparison, but I do understand his point). Maybe he is trying to work RW down. So what? At the end of the day, I doubt he'll let RW go. While I wish something would be settled sooner rather than later to make me feel better, I don't blame either party for letting this process play out - even if its longer than we want. There is a fine line here, of course: how far do you take it, and what influence will it have on the player's performance? J.S. is not a fool, and RW is resilient. I think they'll get it done, and it may not be till next year. I'd rather not wait, but if we step back and look with critical eyes at this whole thing ... it might make sense to.

GO SEAHAWKS!!!

by **NorthHawk** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:52 pm

Excellent post, SalmonBB.
This is the crazy time of the year for the media with very little going on before they dissect the draft picks for each team.
Other than players getting into trouble, there's not much else to write about except possibilities, however remote they may be.

I expect more come late May until August when again nothing much is happening.

by **savvyman** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:53 pm

Another "Probably" what is getting in the way of this deal being done is that Russell's agent could be getting in the way - I read somewhere that this will be his first NFL deal.

If the Seahawk's can get Russell to sign for less then he is worth (i.e. team or cap friendly deal) then this will not look to good for future prospecting of NFL players for Russell's agent - He will be seen as getting less than full value and thus players in the future won't want to sign with him.

So don't discount Russell's agent future career goals and ambitions as factors in these negotiations.

The deal would probably be much further along if Russell had an agent who was much more established.

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