Wilson deal close?

[Anthony]

Dude as usual you are missing the point and have yet to address the proof. Why is it when a thread pops up talking about how great the defense or Lynch is we keep it about them. However when it is Wilson someone always bring sup Lynch or the defense? Until you recognize that is happening you are wasting your time, and my stance in correct.

Am I Anthony? EVERY thread for the last two seasons about resigning a player whether it be Maxwell just this off-season, on Browner, or Avril,or Bennett or name them Wilson's name came up . Why? Wan't that the same exact thing? But because it was not Wilson it did not matter to you. Hell he's pretty much gone or injured in your opinion anyway, so why all the fuss?

really please show a link to those threads. Nice try at changing the subject and my point still stands and is accurate.

[RiverDog]

Maybe we could all agree that the Seattle Seahawks are a TEAM (like no other) and no one player is necessary the difference maker at this point.

Peyton Manning was the "difference maker" when Denver signed him. That's what all the media said. It's not enough in a game with 25 starters and 25+ backups, injuries, coaching decisions, etc.

the Team outweighs it all. And how do you represent one players contribution over another in this game? I can't see it. For instance, Byron Maxwell was the 24th rated DB last year, mainly because no one threw at Sherman. Does that make Byron at 'fault' for anything? No, but the 'stats don't lie'... or do they?

js

Denver is a good analogy. In 2011, they were a decent, .500ish team that made the playoffs on a bit of a fluke...3 8-8 teams tied for the AFC West title, the 4th finishing at 7-9...got rid of an underperforming quarterback (who will remain nameless for fear of a thread hijacking), signed Peyton Manning, then went on to post the best record in the league at 13-3, matched that record and went to the SB in the following year, and are still a legitimate SB contender.

Denver is a very good team with or without Peyton Manning, but it was Manning that clearly got them over the hump. Same with Russell's importance to us. We would still be a very good team without him, but we are a SB contender with him.

[Hawktown]

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I love me some RW3 but i can't put up with obsessive behavior. Sorry Anthony, it seems all you can ever do anymore is defend and obsess over RW3?

[NorthHawk]

Anthony's upset because the topic is about Wilson and now we are talking about Defense or something other than Wilson.
Look at the other threads with a lot of posts and you will see we meander off topic most of the time.

As well, a couple of posters think Wilson is the only thing that made the team better when he arrived.
Well as it happens the Defense came into its own and Special Teams started to dominate as Wilson became a very good QB. Both of these contributed to our Super Bowl win and should continue to be solid into the future.
The Offense on the other hand has been OK by NFL standards and is aided by a good D and ST. I doubt it could carry the team like Offensive oriented teams do.

[Anthony]

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I love me some RW3 but i can't put up with obsessive behavior. Sorry Anthony, it seems all you can ever do anymore is defend and obsess over RW3?

Cool ignore me, it just shows you are missing the point

[Anthony]

Anthony's upset because the topic is about Wilson and now we are talking about Defense or something other than Wilson.
Look at the other threads with a lot of posts and you will see we meander off topic most of the time.

As well, a couple of posters think Wilson is the only thing that made the team better when he arrived.
Well as it happens the Defense came into its own and Special Teams started to dominate as Wilson became a very good QB. Both of these contributed to our Super Bowl win and should continue to be solid into the future.
The Offense on the other hand has been OK by NFL standards and is aided by a good D and ST. I doubt it could carry the team like Offensive oriented teams do.

Still missing the point and still no links to the threads were we are giving praise to Lynch or the Defense but mention about Wilson.

[NorthHawk]

Why would we?
This team is built upon its Defense, the Offense is basically along for the ride and as long as they put up just enough points to allow the Defense to hold, that's all they want.
If the discussion about the Defense is started or about Lynch and it has enough posts, I have little doubt it will meander off course as most of our threads do.

You're upset because it started about Wilson. Check the other longer threads and you will find we end up far from the original post in many, if not most cases.
This is the same, but you take it as a personal affront. Why aren't you complaining about them, too?

[HumanCockroach]

Still missing the point and still no links to the threads were we are giving praise to Lynch or the Defense but mention about Wilson

You are saying people are missing the point, but to the best of my knowledge, this isn't a thread about " praising" Wilson, it's a thread about a CONTRACT situation, NOT how good or valuable he is. If anyone missed the point boss, it's you.

[Anthony]

Why would we?
This team is built upon its Defense, the Offense is basically along for the ride and as long as they put up just enough points to allow the Defense to hold, that's all they want.
If the discussion about the Defense is started or about Lynch and it has enough posts, I have little doubt it will meander off course as most of our threads do.

You're upset because it started about Wilson. Check the other longer threads and you will find we end up far from the original post in many, if not most cases.
This is the same, but you take it as a personal affront. Why aren't you complaining about them, too?

So again you made my point, any discussion about the defense and Lynch and how important they are to Seattle stays about them, but for Wilson it changes to them and you guys wonder why the media and other think Wilson is irrelevant, our owns fans do not give him enough credit and respect to stay on topic like they do with the defense and Lynch. FYI if the Offense is just a long for the ride do not sign Wilson to a big contract as someone has pointed out any QB would do.

[NorthHawk]

These threads are living creatures.
Who knows where they will lead us.
AND I say again, Wilson wasn't the only change that made this team better, so we should discuss that, too.
Check the other threads. Many if not most wander far from the original post.
Why should it be any different for this thread?

I get this picture in my head of a 4 year old stomping his feet because his favorite player is not getting enough attention.

[THX-1138]

Denver is a good analogy. In 2011, they were a decent, .500ish team that made the playoffs on a bit of a fluke...3 8-8 teams tied for the AFC West title, the 4th finishing at 7-9...got rid of an underperforming quarterback (who will remain nameless for fear of a thread hijacking), signed Peyton Manning, then went on to post the best record in the league at 13-3, matched that record and went to the SB in the following year, and are still a legitimate SB contender.

Denver is a very good team with or without Peyton Manning, but it was Manning that clearly got them over the hump. Same with Russell's importance to us. We would still be a very good team without him, but we are a SB contender with him.

This is the exact point. I find it to be correct in any meaningful manner. Yes the Seahawks are good. But I don't think they go to the Super Bowl back to back and win one of the games with a QB other than Wilson. I just don't. It's like making a cake. We can all buy the ingredients to make a good scratch cake but gramma/yer mom/yer favorite auntie made the single best cake of all time because instead of just any ingredients she got the KEY ingredient. The one that put it over the top. And of course you can't make a cake with only one ingredient, but it's that KEY ingredient that makes all the other ingredients that much better as a whole cake.

Pay the man. Key ingredient. Awesome cake.

[Anthony]

These threads are living creatures.
Who knows where they will lead us.
AND I say again, Wilson wasn't the only change that made this team better, so we should discuss that, too.
Check the other threads. Many if not most wander far from the original post.
Why should it be any different for this thread?

I get this picture in my head of a 4 year old stomping his feet because his favorite player is not getting enough attention.

Funny that is the picture get in my head about some of you, "I don't want to see the truth I want what I want" yeah that sounds like a 4 year old

[Hawktawk]

Sheesh another food fight,surprise. I'm no rubber stamp for Anthony or anybody else but IMO Wilson is BRILLIANT, a top QB in the league and the only reason Seattle has gotten where they are. The 9ers had everything Seattle has,Solid coaching, filthy D, strong running game, probably better skill players overall. But the difference is their vapid empty headed QB who cannot perform in the clutch. Wilson gets dissed enough around the league, we sure dont need Seahawks fans doing it too.

[RiverDog]

Sheesh another food fight,surprise. I'm no rubber stamp for Anthony or anybody else but IMO Wilson is BRILLIANT, a top QB in the league and the only reason Seattle has gotten where they are. The 9ers had everything Seattle has,Solid coaching, filthy D, strong running game, probably better skill players overall. But the difference is their vapid empty headed QB who cannot perform in the clutch. Wilson gets dissed enough around the league, we sure dont need Seahawks fans doing it too.

No one is dissing Russell. None. I dare you to show me anyone in here that said anything negative about Russell. Half this thread is about Anthony lecturing the rest of the posters that we're not paying enough homage to RW.

I also disagree with your comparison of the Niners D with ours. Yes, the Niners have a very good D, but not the league's best. Same with their running game. Gore is a fine back, but he ain't no Beast. Take away both teams quarterbacks and we're still heads and shoulders better than the Niners.

[mykc14]

Sheesh another food fight,surprise. I'm no rubber stamp for Anthony or anybody else but IMO Wilson is BRILLIANT, a top QB in the league and the only reason Seattle has gotten where they are. The 9ers had everything Seattle has,Solid coaching, filthy D, strong running game, probably better skill players overall. But the difference is their vapid empty headed QB who cannot perform in the clutch. Wilson gets dissed enough around the league, we sure dont need Seahawks fans doing it too.

I feel like I am in some crazy alternate forum. NOBODY has dissed Wilson in this thread, nobody. Nobody has even suggested that we go the SB without him, nobody. The only suggestion is that we are a fringe playoff team without him and some of the credit for our winning the SB should be given to the improved Defense. What is so controversial about that? All of this overreaction makes it seem like he is somehow being dissed but he simply is not. In fact, if Anthony wouldn't have overreacted, nobody else would think there was any need to defend him because nobody said anything even remotely controversal.

[Anthony]

Sheesh another food fight,surprise. I'm no rubber stamp for Anthony or anybody else but IMO Wilson is BRILLIANT, a top QB in the league and the only reason Seattle has gotten where they are. The 9ers had everything Seattle has,Solid coaching, filthy D, strong running game, probably better skill players overall. But the difference is their vapid empty headed QB who cannot perform in the clutch. Wilson gets dissed enough around the league, we sure dont need Seahawks fans doing it too.

Exactly my point lets see just on this thread

an avg QB would do to make us playoff contenders
The offense(this would include Wilson) is just along for the ride
This team is about defense so they have to be mentioned in every thread about anyone else well except Lynch

This is my point.

[Anthony]

No one is dissing Russell. None. I dare you to show me anyone in here that said anything negative about Russell. Half this thread is about Anthony lecturing the rest of the posters that we're not paying enough homage to RW.

I also disagree with your comparison of the Niners D with ours. Yes, the Niners have a very good D, but not the league's best. Same with their running game. Gore is a fine back, but he ain't no Beast. Take away both teams quarterbacks and we're still heads and shoulders better than the Niners.

Dude yes Wilson has been dissed and you do not get it. Were in a thread about Wilson bur the offense (this includes Wilson) is just along for the ride) that disses Wilson and that is just one thing.

[Anthony]

I feel like I am in some crazy alternate forum. NOBODY has dissed Wilson in this thread, nobody. Nobody has even suggested that we go the SB without him, nobody. The only suggestion is that we are a fringe playoff team without him and some of the credit for our winning the SB should be given to the improved Defense. What is so controversial about that? All of this overreaction makes it seem like he is somehow being dissed but he simply is not. In fact, if Anthony wouldn't have overreacted, nobody else would think there was any need to defend him because nobody said anything even remotely controversal.

I did not over react I stated an observation that has been proven to be right and everyone else just dances around. I have already shown were there are things in this very thread that disses Wilson. However again everyone dances around it.

""This team is built upon its Defense, the Offense is basically along for the ride "
That not only disses Wilson but the whole offense and is factually untrue

[mykc14]

I stated an observation that has been proven to be right and everyone else just dances around.

My observation is right and because everybody else has a different opinion they are wrong.

[Anthony]

My observation is right and because everybody else has a different opinion they are wrong.

NO I stated an observation that is supported by proof there for it is right. Not my opinion but an observation with proof. So far no one has provided any proof to the contrary all they do is dance around it and even provide me with more proof.

[RiverDog]

Dude yes Wilson has been dissed and you do not get it. Were in a thread about Wilson bur the offense (this includes Wilson) is just along for the ride) that disses Wilson and that is just one thing.

Oh, come on, Anthony! No one here is saying that we can win championships without Russell. All they're saying is that the defense and running game play critical roles. You're the stats man, take a look at team rankings for total defense and rushing yardage and interpret them for us. We are a defense orientated, run first team, a very good team with our without Russell.

[kalibane]

We here at Hawkshack can't even all agree that the Seahawks should have run the ball at the end of the Super Bowl.

It's extremely hard to build consensus on this message board where nearly every member has strong opinions that they believe in. And yet we all have come to the same conclusion, that you, Anthony, are obsessive about Russell Wilson. You probably want to give that some thought. We aren't all "missing the point".

[NorthHawk]

I'm the one who said the Offense is just along for the ride.
Face it, this team is about Defense first.
It doesn't mean Wilson isn't or can't be great, but it does mean we are a Defense first team and the Defense will determine how successful we are.
It's the formula Pete wants to use to win - and it works.

I would rather have a much more balanced team with the Offense dominating as much as the Defense, but that's not the way it has turned out.
Maybe when Lynch retires and our run game goes into a serious slide more emphasis will be put on the Offense, but it hasn't happened yet.

[RiverDog]

I'm the one who said the Offense is just along for the ride.
Face it, this team is about Defense first.
It doesn't mean Wilson isn't or can't be great, but it does mean we are a Defense first team and the Defense will determine how successful we are.
It's the formula Pete wants to use to win - and it works.

I would rather have a much more balanced team with the Offense dominating as much as the Defense, but that's not the way it has turned out.
Maybe when Lynch retires and our run game goes into a serious slide more emphasis will be put on the Offense, but it hasn't happened yet.

Yea, I saw that earlier, and edited my remarks. I'm not going to go that far and characterize it by saying the offense is "just along for the ride".

But you're right, we are defensive orientated, run first team. But that's no shame on Russell or any other member of our offense.

[NorthHawk]

I see it as a dominating Defense and (at least in 2013) dominating Special Teams and a less than stellar Offense dominated by 2 players.
For me that means the Offense was there just to get enough points for the Defense to hold on.

Things may be changing with the trade for Graham as he gives us huge options in the pass game, but this draft will tell if they are serious about the Offense or not.

[HumanCockroach]

Dude as usual you are missing the point and have yet to address the proof. Why is it when a thread pops up talking about how great the defense or Lynch is we keep it about them. However when it is Wilson someone always bring sup Lynch or the defense? Until you recognize that is happening you are wasting your time, and my stance in correct

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Am I Anthony? EVERY thread for the last two seasons about resigning a player whether it be Maxwell just this off-season, on Browner, or Avril,or Bennett or name them Wilson's name came up . Why? Wan't that the same exact thing? But because it was not Wilson it did not matter to you. Hell he's pretty much gone or injured in your opinion anyway, so why all the fuss?

Sorry for re posting this but in his fervor to defend Wilson's honor he seems to have missed the thread title and the fricken point entirely.

This thread is NOT about giving Wilson "credit" it IS about a player's CONTRACT You are saying people are missing the point, but to the best of my knowledge, this isn't a thread about " praising" Wilson, it's a thread about a CONTRACT situation, NOT how good or valuable he is. If anyone missed the point boss, it's you

[RiverDog]

I see it as a dominating Defense and (at least in 2013) dominating Special Teams and a less than stellar Offense dominated by 2 players.
For me that means the Offense was there just to get enough points for the Defense to hold on.

Things may be changing with the trade for Graham as he gives us huge options in the pass game, but this draft will tell if they are serious about the Offense or not.

Some games were like that, perhaps most. But SB 49 wasn't. The defense was given a 10 point lead going into the 4th quarter and couldn't make it stand up and it was the offense that nearly pulled it out. Nor can you say that for the big game in Week 16 vs. the Cards that propelled us to HFA, nearly 600 yards of total offense, a franchise record. Those two games alone would make the offense a little more than "just along for the ride."

[Anthony]

Oh, come on, Anthony! No one here is saying that we can win championships without Russell. All they're saying is that the defense and running game play critical roles. You're the stats man, take a look at team rankings for total defense and rushing yardage and interpret them for us. We are a defense orientated, run first team, a very good team with our without Russell.

No one has debated they played critical roles, however this thread is about Wilson and yet the offense is along for the ride. Really how come in the Lynch thread no one said that? That is my point.

[Anthony]

We here at Hawkshack can't even all agree that the Seahawks should have run the ball at the end of the Super Bowl.

It's extremely hard to build consensus on this message board where nearly every member has strong opinions that they believe in. And yet we all have come to the same conclusion, that you, Anthony, are obsessive about Russell Wilson. You probably want to give that some thought. We aren't all "missing the point".

If I cared what you think maybe But I do not. I made an observation base don proof and all anyone can do it dance around the subject, and try to say it is because I am "obsessed" with Wilson. You can believe what You want I really do not care. But it does not change the fact what I am saying is true.

[Anthony]

I'm the one who said the Offense is just along for the ride.
Face it, this team is about Defense first.
It doesn't mean Wilson isn't or can't be great, but it does mean we are a Defense first team and the Defense will determine how successful we are.
It's the formula Pete wants to use to win - and it works.

I would rather have a much more balanced team with the Offense dominating as much as the Defense, but that's not the way it has turned out.
Maybe when Lynch retires and our run game goes into a serious slide more emphasis will be put on the Offense, but it hasn't happened yet.

Dude to say anything is along for the ride is like saying they do not matter. Which is stupid, and wrong and again in a thread about Wilson. Did you say that in the pay Lynch thread? NO. MY point.

[Anthony]

Yea, I saw that earlier, and edited my remarks. I'm not going to go that far and characterize it by saying the offense is "just along for the ride".

But you're right, we are defensive orientated, run first team. But that's no shame on Russell or any other member of our offense.

I agree but to say they are along for the ride in a thread about Wilson is the issue. Again he did not say that in the thread about paying Lynch. The fact is weather you guys realize it or not some of you trivialize the offense and Wilson a lot, the same thing a lot of experts and other fans do and all you are doing is feeding it and proving my point.

[Anthony]

Sorry for re posting this but in his fervor to defend Wilson's honor he seems to have missed the thread title and the fricken point entirely.

This thread is NOT about giving Wilson "credit" it IS about a player's CONTRACT You are saying people are missing the point, but to the best of my knowledge, this isn't a thread about " praising" Wilson, it's a thread about a CONTRACT situation, NOT how good or valuable he is. If anyone missed the point boss, it's you

And yet you felt the need to ensure that we knew the offense was a long for the ride, thus trivializing the offense and Wilson in a thread about Wilson and cannot even see it. That is my point.

[kalibane]

Who was that guy who thought the sun rose and set on Shaun Alexander? Star something I think? Couldn't stand if you said anything about Alexander that wasn't the equivalent of calling him the best RB in the league.

That's what you sound like right now Anthony. There isn't a single person on this forum not named Futureite that doesn't think Wilson is anything but an upper echelon QB in the NFL. But for some reason you can't deal with anyone not agreeing with every single opinion you express about him.

Seriously... we all love Russ. Get a grip already.

[NorthHawk]

"Dude to say anything is along for the ride is like saying they do not matter. Which is stupid, and wrong and again in a thread about Wilson. Did you say that in the pay Lynch thread? NO. MY point."

Nobody was obsessing on Lynch in that thread so it never came up.

[savvyman]

Who was that guy who thought the sun rose and set on Shaun Alexander? Star something I think? Couldn't stand if you said anything about Alexander that wasn't the equivalent of calling him the best RB in the league.

That's what you sound like right now Anthony. There isn't a single person on this forum not named Futureite that doesn't think Wilson is anything but an upper echelon QB in the NFL. But for some reason you can't deal with anyone not agreeing with every single opinion you express about him.

Seriously... we all love Russ. Get a grip already.

Yeah I remember Star something - He and I would go at it over at the PI board because for all the love he had for Shaun Alexander I felt exactly the opposite. (I still remember the overwhelming number of people who defended his soft style of running and avoiding contact as a "Smart Football Player"........)

I was also? thinking that Anthony has reincarnated as Star on this board - I believe the primary reason why Star liked Alexander was because he was a good christian - Russell is also very religious as posting daily bible versus on his twitter account.

Do not mean to be taking shots at Anthony as he has made many valid points about Russell here and has had several good insights that I have read here. My point is that the thought has occurred to me that Anthony is Star from the old PI board.

[Steady_Hawk]

Star liked SA because he actually knew the guy.

[RiverDog]

I agree but to say they are along for the ride in a thread about Wilson is the issue. Again he did not say that in the thread about paying Lynch. The fact is weather you guys realize it or not some of you trivialize the offense and Wilson a lot, the same thing a lot of experts and other fans do and all you are doing is feeding it and proving my point.

I don't agree with North and his "along for the ride" characterization of our offense anymore than I agreed with you when you said that Russell bore zero responsibility for the interception in SB 49.

I don't necessarily agree that saying the offense is "along for the ride" is a disrespectful remark directed at the quarterback. Yes, the quarterback is the key player on offense, indeed for the whole team. But it could be that North Hawk feels that Russell does well what he's being asked to do, ie high percentage short to mid range passing, read option running, take care of the ball, get points out of every drive inside the 30, and don't put the defense in bad spots. If that's the case, then it is not disrespectful to Russell when he calls the offense "along for the ride." You're hyper sensitive to any remark that could possibly be construed as critical to Russell.

Who cares what someone said or didn't say in the "pay Lynch" thread. I'm not hunting around threads looking for possible contradictions. Russell doesn't need someone like you soliciting credit for him. He gets tons of it from every poster in this forum.

Edit: Sorry for putting words into your mouth, North Hawk.

[c_hawkbob]

Star like SA because he actually knew the guy.

Yes he did, had a touching story of how Shawn helped his kid come out of his shell, went from being a bullied, afraid to go play outside kid to a popular jock through his association with him. I think they went to the same church or something as well.

That was Star's excuse, I think Anthony's just a bit obsessive but yes, they do seem eerily similar don't they?

[NorthHawk]

" don't agree with North and his "along for the ride" characterization of our offense anymore than I agreed with you when you said that Russell bore zero responsibility for the interception in SB 49.

I don't necessarily agree that saying the offense is "along for the ride" is a disrespectful remark directed at the quarterback. Yes, the quarterback is the key player on offense, indeed for the whole team. But it could be that North Hawk feels that Russell does well what he's being asked to do, ie high percentage short to mid range passing, read option running, take care of the ball, get points out of every drive inside the 30, and don't put the defense in bad spots. If that's the case, then it is not disrespectful to Russell when he calls the offense "along for the ride." You're hyper sensitive to any remark that could possibly be construed as critical to Russell.

Who cares what someone said or didn't say in the "pay Lynch" thread. I'm not hunting around threads looking for possible contradictions. Russell doesn't need someone like you soliciting credit for him. He gets tons of it from every poster in this forum.

Edit: Sorry for putting words into your mouth, North Hawk."

No problem - it's basically what I think.
My thought is our Offense isn't asked to carry the team like the Packers, New Orleans, Denver, and others, but our Defense is counted on to make big plays and be the difference by stopping those high powered Offenses. That leaves our Offense as a second thought in the priority of the team. So along for the ride fits from that PoV.

Will it change now that we have Graham? I sincerely hope the thinking is changing, but so far we have 2 big holes on the OL and many of the best FAs are now gone. Schneider's history shows he isn't as willing to sign FAs on the Offense early like they have on the Defense as they did with Bennett, Avril, and now Williams.
The Draft will show us how much interest they have in improving the Offense with all of the picks we have in the mid rounds.

I said earlier that I think Wilson is a very good QB and could be great, but we might never get to see that if the current trend continues.
Perhaps when Lynch retires it will force the Offense to evolve and more attention will be paid to it as I believe our run totals are because of broken tackles more than good run blocking.

[Hawk Sista]

Remember that guy who thought Kyle Boller was the answer? Did he go by the handle QB or something? That was a funny gig, right there. At least RW3 is good enough for someone to jock sniff him.

My response to all of this is:

a) Jeeeeez, we must be bored....four pages of grown-ups saying the same thing?? Sup with that?
b) RW is a stud. He makes our team much, much better. We need to pay the man or we will rue the day.
c) We are a defensive minded team with a strong running game, indeed.
d) ^^The above statement does not mean that RW3 has not had a major impact on this team's upward trajectory.
e) Saying the O was "along for the ride" is not paying attention to Hawk football.
f) A team is only as good as the sum of its 53 parts. There are positions that are weighted more heavily than others for several reasons...like Hard as hell to find the right guy. QB, CB, LT and DE come to mind...
g) This is the history of the Hawks performance since Pete arrived:

2010
Offense - 23rd in points/game & 28th in yards/game
Defense - 25th in giving up points per/game & 27th in giving up yards/game

2011
Offense - 23rd in points/game & 27th in yards/game
Defense - 7th in giving up points per/game & 9th in giving up yards/game

-----------Russell Wilson Joins the team (yes, I'm smart enough to know there are other factors involved)--------------
2012
Offense - 9th in points per game & 17th in yards per game
Defense - 1st in giving up points per/game & 4th in giving up yards/game

2013
Offense - 8th in points per game & 16th in yards per game
Defense - 1st in giving up points per/game & 1st in giving up yards/game

2014
Offense - 10th in points per game & 9th in yards per game
Defense - 1st in giving up points per/game & 1st in giving up yards/game