Agent 86 wrote:La Canfora brings up another way that RW3 and his camp and also the Seahawks may look at attacking this. It might not be done this offseason. Nothing earth shattering, but definitely a good piece to read to give you food for thought.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25073999/why-russell-wilsons-megadeal-may-not-be-coming-as-quickly-as-we-think
NorthHawk wrote:They could always tag him if it came down to it until they worked out an agreement.
He'll get his money some way or another.
HumanCockroach wrote:Like I said in another thread even if Seattle reworks a contract extension, Wilson will be playing this coming season under the parameters ( or very close to the parameters) he is already under contract for.
And Anthony in your world he is already gone, so why would Seattle do anything anyway? LOL.
NorthHawk wrote:They could always tag him if it came down to it until they worked out an agreement.
He'll get his money some way or another.
HumanCockroach wrote:Dude it was a joke, that is why I put the LOL after it. I don't agree with your assessment about he is gone if the don't sign him this year, nor do I think for a minute he can't be tagged and then signed, but it was just a joke.
NorthHawk wrote:For the poster above, I meant after next year tag him if necessary.
Why would RW hold out? It doesn't make sense.
He would get the average of the top QB salaries guaranteed.
This year a QB will get 18.5 million guaranteed. Next year it will probably be more.
NorthHawk wrote:I think that is a characterization of someone who is petulant and prone to pouting.
I don't see that characteristic in Wilson.
Anthony wrote:
What it boils down to is they do not sign Wilson this off season but do extent and increase Lynch's pay they will have made it clear the RB is more important than the QB, and as the article suggest if they do, do both they may do Lynch first to appease Lynch and some other players on team. The only reason to do lynch first is to make him feel or seem more important than the QB. There in lies a problem, Lynch is not more important than Wilson at all, that could cause a divide in the locker room..
HumanCockroach wrote:So if they sign Lynch to a 3 yr deal for say 28 million, and the n pay Wilson 100 million guaranteed over the next 7 you think he'll still feel slighted because they made Lynch the priority first? Interesting take. Not one I buy, but an interesting take none the less....
If Wilson feels "slighted" because the Seahawks proceed to do what HE has said is important to him ( making sure quality players can be inserted around him) than I'm not sure Wilson is the guy he has led us to believe he is. Multiple players make choices for different reasons, and I'm not sure all of them can be placed into nice tidy little boxes. Not every player believes that money means more than success, they might be rare, but personally I have little doubt that Wilson is genuine, and knows he is going to get his money. Doesn't strike me as that guy that is going to hold a grudge because some other player made half of what he will make, but got it first.
mykc14 wrote:
It doesn't boil down to that at all. It could be the case (although I doubt it). There is no doubt that Lynch's contract is going to be for WAY less than Wilson and therefore much easier to construct. Making Lynch feel important isn't 'the only reason' to do him first. Like I said earlier it could be as simple as his contract is for less money, therefore easier. Your as bad as the media making this seem like a Lynch vs. Wilson thing. Whose more important, whose side is the management on, there's a divide in the locker room. We can't speak in absolutes because we have no idea what is going on behind closed doors. Could what you are saying happen or be true, yeah it could, but you make it seem like it is the only thing that could happen when you say things like 'it boils down to... [making] it CLEAR the RB is more important than the QB.' And things like "The ONLY reason to do Lynch first is to make him feel or seem more important to the QB." There many other, probably more realistic, reasons out there that they would want to get Lynch done first.
Old but Slow wrote:Knowing what Lynch is going to do could have a big impact on draft strategy. They will likely take a running back or 2 with as many picks as they have, but it could make a difference how soon they choose one.
That alone could affect a decision to concentrate on Lynch first, and worry about Wilson later. On the other hand, apparently the team has been talking to agents for both for some time now, so results could come out of nowhere.
Anthony wrote:What I find interesting is Lynch is holding the team hostage and everyone is okay with it, and are even ok with making Wilson wait and maybe even play out his contract. Wonder what that tells Wilson? I know what it would tell Lynch if the roles were reversed. A lot of assumptions that Wilson being the stand up guy he is means we can take advantage of that and treat him like an after thought. Makes me wonder if we can only have one who some of you and the FO would choose, we know were Sharp stands.
Like I Said things could get interesting and not in a good way for the Hawks.
NorthHawk wrote:On another note, there was some talk on the NFL Network that they might give Wilson the first fully guaranteed contract in NFL history.
Less Cap hit, but more security for Wilson.
Anthony wrote:What I find interesting is Lynch is holding the team hostage and everyone is okay with it, and are even ok with making Wilson wait and maybe even play out his contract. Wonder what that tells Wilson? I know what it would tell Lynch if the roles were reversed. A lot of assumptions that Wilson being the stand up guy he is means we can take advantage of that and treat him like an after thought. Makes me wonder if we can only have one who some of you and the FO would choose, we know were Sharp stands.
Like I Said things could get interesting and not in a good way for the Hawks.
HumanCockroach wrote:
Say what? Lynch is holding anyone hostage waiting to see how he feels, and whether his body can take another couple seasons of abuse. Would you prefer he sign the contract and then proceed to not work or stay healthy? This statement is ludicrous man.
Anthony wrote:No I would prefer the team move on and not put everything on hold for him. Also you have no way of knowing if he is doing exactly what I said. That smile at the end of the SB when the Int happened was very telling to me. You have no way of knowing if his plan is to not say anything until after the draft, and after most of the FA s are gone. At that point we might have wasted a chance to put weapons around Rw because we had to wait on Lynch, did not extend Rw because we waited on Lynch. He held us hostage last year until he got what he wanted. Only this year it could cost us more. Sorry my statement is not ludicrous at all, it is a possibility and that smile at the end of the SB makes me wonder if it was not more of a possibility than we think. We will see. I mean we cannot even make any real plans around FAs or the draft, until he makes up his mind and he knows that, that by definition is holding us hostage, whether he means to or not is irrelevant, he is.
mykc14 wrote:
Why would they be waiting on Lynch to make a decision before they extend RW? They may work on Lynch's deal first but if they want to get RW done this offseason it will happen no matter what happens with Lynch, so your idea that he in anyway could hold us hostage from extending RW is ludicrous. I also have to believe that they will basically do what they want at the other positions as well, whether or not Lynch re-signs, although I agree if he were to wait until after FA/Draft it could affect their plans some.
Anthony wrote:
As to Lynch impacting Wilson yeah it could, there has already been some reports of them making Wilson play out his rookie contract, What Lynch does will impact that, if it could not there would be no reason to wait to do Wilson.
mykc14 wrote:
No. Once again whether or not Lynch signs has nothing to do with Wilson's contract. If both sides want to resign this offseason they will, regardless of what Lynch gets. The money Lynch gets isn't going to hinder the team from resigning Wilson, come on. Do you really think they are sitting on their hands, waiting to see what Lynch does? Do you think Wilson's agent has contacted the team and JS and PC are like "oh wait we need to see what Lynch is going to do before we resign you. Sorry if he signs a new contract we won't be able to do you this offseason." Of course not. They have an idea what they want to pay Wilson. They have a whole offseason to do it. Everybody thinks Lynch has all the power this offseason, but the reality is that he doesn't. The team has just as much power. He is under contract next year regardless. By all accounts they have offered him a fair contract. They will operate as if he is going to sign that and know exactly how that will fit with RW's contract, Wags, what they might offer Maxwell and any free-agent that may come around. If they found a FA that they thought they couldn't live without and Lynch hasn't signed yet they could take his offer off the table and move on (I don't see that happening at all). The point is they are not sitting in their office, being held hostage waiting for Lynch.
Anthony wrote:
If you really think that what Lynch doe swill not impact this team and Wilson and him signing then you really do not get it at all. Example Lynch resigns, for say oh 10 mil a year that is 3 mill less, yes they can still do Wilson, but they will not be bale to upgrade the passing talent around him, nor might they want to since we are a run first team. With that than Wilson needs to say do I want to beat up again and have no one to throw to again? The reality is you nor anyone else can say what affect what Lynch does and when he does it has on this team. All I am stating is a very real possibility. Yes you are right they operate as if he is going to sign, and then he waits, FA is pretty much done, raft done and he says nope I am done, and guess what we have no RB to take his place, because we thought we were getting him back and we are a run first team, we do nothing to sure up pass protection or get WR help and guess what we are screwed. Sorry it could happen. You know it is funny of this was say ADB doing this you guys would be mad, Rw you guys would be mad and say he is being selfish, but Lynch yeah he can do whatever he wants. I am not saying it will cost the team but it could and so far no one has been able to prove it could not.
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