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Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby Agent 86 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 1:45 pm

La Canfora brings up another way that RW3 and his camp and also the Seahawks may look at attacking this. It might not be done this offseason. Nothing earth shattering, but definitely a good piece to read to give you food for thought.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25073999/why-russell-wilsons-megadeal-may-not-be-coming-as-quickly-as-we-think
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby Anthony » Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:13 pm

Agent 86 wrote:La Canfora brings up another way that RW3 and his camp and also the Seahawks may look at attacking this. It might not be done this offseason. Nothing earth shattering, but definitely a good piece to read to give you food for thought.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25073999/why-russell-wilsons-megadeal-may-not-be-coming-as-quickly-as-we-think



If they do not sign Wilson this off season, they are playing a very very stupid game and it will cost them, and I am not just talking money, I am talking costing them Wilson.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby HumanCockroach » Thu Feb 19, 2015 3:28 pm

Like I said in another thread even if Seattle reworks a contract extension, Wilson will be playing this coming season under the parameters ( or very close to the parameters) he is already under contract for.

And Anthony in your world he is already gone, so why would Seattle do anything anyway? LOL.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby NorthHawk » Thu Feb 19, 2015 4:04 pm

They could always tag him if it came down to it until they worked out an agreement.
He'll get his money some way or another.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby Distant Relative » Thu Feb 19, 2015 5:21 pm

NorthHawk wrote:They could always tag him if it came down to it until they worked out an agreement.
He'll get his money some way or another.


Can you tag a player with another year still on his contract? Please excuse the ignorance.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby Anthony » Thu Feb 19, 2015 9:59 pm

HumanCockroach wrote:Like I said in another thread even if Seattle reworks a contract extension, Wilson will be playing this coming season under the parameters ( or very close to the parameters) he is already under contract for.

And Anthony in your world he is already gone, so why would Seattle do anything anyway? LOL.



Sorry dude I never said he was gone nor in my world is he gone, in my world the FO does the right thing, however, as we are learning there is a chance they do not. Just because I bring up that possibility does make it in anyones world. I am a realist and as a realist it can happen and is becoming more of a possibility than you thought. The fact you were or are unwilling to accept this as a possibility makes this more about your world than mine.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby Anthony » Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:01 pm

NorthHawk wrote:They could always tag him if it came down to it until they worked out an agreement.
He'll get his money some way or another.


They have never used the tag before, so no reason to think they would now, and Again if they did Wilson would do what other players do and hold out until the tag is off the table, and at that point the good will would be gone as would Wilson.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby HumanCockroach » Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:15 pm

Dude it was a joke, that is why I put the LOL after it. I don't agree with your assessment about he is gone if the don't sign him this year, nor do I think for a minute he can't be tagged and then signed, but it was just a joke.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby NorthHawk » Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:22 pm

For the poster above, I meant after next year tag him if necessary.

Why would RW hold out? It doesn't make sense.
He would get the average of the top QB salaries guaranteed.
This year a QB will get 18.5 million guaranteed. Next year it will probably be more.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby Anthony » Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:40 pm

HumanCockroach wrote:Dude it was a joke, that is why I put the LOL after it. I don't agree with your assessment about he is gone if the don't sign him this year, nor do I think for a minute he can't be tagged and then signed, but it was just a joke.



Sorry could not see the LOL on my phone. As to the rest all I am saying is if they decided not to resign him now and make it all about Lynch, Wilson might rethink things. Players want to feel wanted and important, right now with everything I am reading it all about Lynch. I am not saying he is definitely gone if they do not resign him this off season or that they cannot tag him and then sign him. I am saying that the odds go done under those conditions, because of the message that is sent. I do not believe for one minute if they do not sign him this off season, that Wilson and his agent will not do everything they can to ensure the tag is not on the table after the season. Again not to mention the message it will be sending to your team and other FAs.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby NorthHawk » Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:44 pm

I think that is a characterization of someone who is petulant and prone to pouting.
I don't see that characteristic in Wilson.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby Anthony » Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:46 pm

NorthHawk wrote:For the poster above, I meant after next year tag him if necessary.

Why would RW hold out? It doesn't make sense.
He would get the average of the top QB salaries guaranteed.
This year a QB will get 18.5 million guaranteed. Next year it will probably be more.


Because it is not worth playing and risking injury for 1 year for a team that decided he was not important enough to sign, instead it was more important to pay more money to an RB who was already signed and the leave the team the ability to tag him to 1 years deals, for however long. Why would Wilson put him self in a position to be a I year at a time player, and have not security?

What it boils down to is they do not sign Wilson this off season but do extent and increase Lynch's pay they will have made it clear the RB is more important than the QB, and as the article suggest if they do, do both they may do Lynch first to appease Lynch and some other players on team. The only reason to do lynch first is to make him feel or seem more important than the QB. There in lies a problem, Lynch is not more important than Wilson at all, that could cause a divide in the locker room.

so there are plenty of reasons for Wilson to hold out until the tag is off the table. However as I said if it comes to that, Wilson will be gone.

I am pretty sure it will not come to that, but who knows.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby Anthony » Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:50 pm

NorthHawk wrote:I think that is a characterization of someone who is petulant and prone to pouting.
I don't see that characteristic in Wilson.



No it is characterization of the modern day athlete, and it comes down to being wanted and to feel important. He is the franchise QB, the most important player on the field. You do not extend a running back while leaving you franchise QB to blow I the wind. It has nothing to do with pouting but the business side of it. Either Wilson is our franchise QB and we sign him or he is not and we do not. Its pretty simple, and I can guarantee you the tag will not get used on Wilson, successfully.

FYI it is not characteristics of Wilson but it is of Lynch and look what it gets him, pretty much anything he wants. Guess who sees it, Wilson and every other player. Its a bad precedence they are setting, if it goes down that way.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby HumanCockroach » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:32 pm

So if they sign Lynch to a 3 yr deal for say 28 million, and the n pay Wilson 100 million guaranteed over the next 7 you think he'll still feel slighted because they made Lynch the priority first? Interesting take. Not one I buy, but an interesting take none the less....

If Wilson feels "slighted" because the Seahawks proceed to do what HE has said is important to him ( making sure quality players can be inserted around him) than I'm not sure Wilson is the guy he has led us to believe he is. Multiple players make choices for different reasons, and I'm not sure all of them can be placed into nice tidy little boxes. Not every player believes that money means more than success, they might be rare, but personally I have little doubt that Wilson is genuine, and knows he is going to get his money. Doesn't strike me as that guy that is going to hold a grudge because some other player made half of what he will make, but got it first.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby mykc14 » Thu Feb 19, 2015 11:49 pm

Anthony wrote:
What it boils down to is they do not sign Wilson this off season but do extent and increase Lynch's pay they will have made it clear the RB is more important than the QB, and as the article suggest if they do, do both they may do Lynch first to appease Lynch and some other players on team. The only reason to do lynch first is to make him feel or seem more important than the QB. There in lies a problem, Lynch is not more important than Wilson at all, that could cause a divide in the locker room..


It doesn't boil down to that at all. It could be the case (although I doubt it). There is no doubt that Lynch's contract is going to be for WAY less than Wilson and therefore much easier to construct. Making Lynch feel important isn't 'the only reason' to do him first. Like I said earlier it could be as simple as his contract is for less money, therefore easier. Your as bad as the media making this seem like a Lynch vs. Wilson thing. Whose more important, whose side is the management on, there's a divide in the locker room. We can't speak in absolutes because we have no idea what is going on behind closed doors. Could what you are saying happen or be true, yeah it could, but you make it seem like it is the only thing that could happen when you say things like 'it boils down to... [making] it CLEAR the RB is more important than the QB.' And things like "The ONLY reason to do Lynch first is to make him feel or seem more important to the QB." There many other, probably more realistic, reasons out there that they would want to get Lynch done first.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby Anthony » Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:41 am

HumanCockroach wrote:So if they sign Lynch to a 3 yr deal for say 28 million, and the n pay Wilson 100 million guaranteed over the next 7 you think he'll still feel slighted because they made Lynch the priority first? Interesting take. Not one I buy, but an interesting take none the less....

If Wilson feels "slighted" because the Seahawks proceed to do what HE has said is important to him ( making sure quality players can be inserted around him) than I'm not sure Wilson is the guy he has led us to believe he is. Multiple players make choices for different reasons, and I'm not sure all of them can be placed into nice tidy little boxes. Not every player believes that money means more than success, they might be rare, but personally I have little doubt that Wilson is genuine, and knows he is going to get his money. Doesn't strike me as that guy that is going to hold a grudge because some other player made half of what he will make, but got it first.



No but there is a scenario were he might be and as of now that scenario is just as likely as yours. that is the point. Some of you want to ignore this possibility, but it exists. FYI Quality players around a QB would include Wr and pass blocking oline something they have yet to do in the 3 years he has been here. Also again you are ASSUMING they sing lynch and Wilson this year, What if they only sign Lynch and do nothing with Wilson. That is were things get dicey. That is yet another scenario you seem unwilling to admit could happen.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby Anthony » Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:44 am

mykc14 wrote:
It doesn't boil down to that at all. It could be the case (although I doubt it). There is no doubt that Lynch's contract is going to be for WAY less than Wilson and therefore much easier to construct. Making Lynch feel important isn't 'the only reason' to do him first. Like I said earlier it could be as simple as his contract is for less money, therefore easier. Your as bad as the media making this seem like a Lynch vs. Wilson thing. Whose more important, whose side is the management on, there's a divide in the locker room. We can't speak in absolutes because we have no idea what is going on behind closed doors. Could what you are saying happen or be true, yeah it could, but you make it seem like it is the only thing that could happen when you say things like 'it boils down to... [making] it CLEAR the RB is more important than the QB.' And things like "The ONLY reason to do Lynch first is to make him feel or seem more important to the QB." There many other, probably more realistic, reasons out there that they would want to get Lynch done first.


I was going off what the article posted in this thread said period. My whole point beyond that is there are scenarios that are not good for the Hawks and some here choose to ignore those real possibilities. You are right there are other explanations but again that is what the article mentioned in this thread said.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby Anthony » Fri Feb 20, 2015 1:45 am

Old but Slow wrote:Knowing what Lynch is going to do could have a big impact on draft strategy. They will likely take a running back or 2 with as many picks as they have, but it could make a difference how soon they choose one.

That alone could affect a decision to concentrate on Lynch first, and worry about Wilson later. On the other hand, apparently the team has been talking to agents for both for some time now, so results could come out of nowhere.



You are correct however most of what I have said is based on the article that started this thread and some of my own feelings that if handled wrong it could cost us.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby NorthHawk » Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:42 am

Hurt feelings are usually found alongside bad communications.
Schneider has said he's in contact with both Wilson (and his agent) as well as Lynch's people.
Our FO doesn't have a reputation for dishonesty so I doubt there are any bad feelings being generated by the business side.
They all understand how it works.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby Anthony » Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:48 pm

What I find interesting is Lynch is holding the team hostage and everyone is okay with it, and are even ok with making Wilson wait and maybe even play out his contract. Wonder what that tells Wilson? I know what it would tell Lynch if the roles were reversed. A lot of assumptions that Wilson being the stand up guy he is means we can take advantage of that and treat him like an after thought. Makes me wonder if we can only have one who some of you and the FO would choose, we know were Sharp stands.

Like I Said things could get interesting and not in a good way for the Hawks.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby mykc14 » Fri Feb 20, 2015 4:02 pm

Anthony wrote:What I find interesting is Lynch is holding the team hostage and everyone is okay with it, and are even ok with making Wilson wait and maybe even play out his contract. Wonder what that tells Wilson? I know what it would tell Lynch if the roles were reversed. A lot of assumptions that Wilson being the stand up guy he is means we can take advantage of that and treat him like an after thought. Makes me wonder if we can only have one who some of you and the FO would choose, we know were Sharp stands.

Like I Said things could get interesting and not in a good way for the Hawks.


Sharp is an idiot.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby c_hawkbob » Fri Feb 20, 2015 4:11 pm

Nobody holds a team hostage in February.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby NorthHawk » Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:59 pm

Lynch takes a beating with the way he runs, has a chronic back problem, and is probably wondering if he has the desire to put in the effort in the off season that is required to be ready to play at a continued high level.
I think he deserves that time to really know how he feels.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby NorthHawk » Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:08 pm

On another note, there was some talk on the NFL Network that they might give Wilson the first fully guaranteed contract in NFL history.
Less Cap hit, but more security for Wilson.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby RiverDog » Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:22 pm

NorthHawk wrote:On another note, there was some talk on the NFL Network that they might give Wilson the first fully guaranteed contract in NFL history.
Less Cap hit, but more security for Wilson.


That's what I've been hearing, too. It's what they were referring to as "outside the box" thinking a week or so ago. $18.5M, fully guaranteed.

As far as the article above, IMO it's just an author looking to carve out a new angle on a much discussed topic. Russell isn't going to play out his rookie contract or try to leverage a better bargaining position. He's already in a far superior bargaining position, why would he think he needs more leverage?

I also take Russell for his word, that he's just as interested in helping the Hawks resign players like Beast as he is lining his pockets with greenbacks.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby HumanCockroach » Sat Feb 21, 2015 1:46 pm

Anthony wrote:What I find interesting is Lynch is holding the team hostage and everyone is okay with it, and are even ok with making Wilson wait and maybe even play out his contract. Wonder what that tells Wilson? I know what it would tell Lynch if the roles were reversed. A lot of assumptions that Wilson being the stand up guy he is means we can take advantage of that and treat him like an after thought. Makes me wonder if we can only have one who some of you and the FO would choose, we know were Sharp stands.

Like I Said things could get interesting and not in a good way for the Hawks.


Say what? Lynch is holding anyone hostage waiting to see how he feels, and whether his body can take another couple seasons of abuse. Would you prefer he sign the contract and then proceed to not work or stay healthy? This statement is ludicrous man.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby Anthony » Sat Feb 21, 2015 5:16 pm

HumanCockroach wrote:
Say what? Lynch is holding anyone hostage waiting to see how he feels, and whether his body can take another couple seasons of abuse. Would you prefer he sign the contract and then proceed to not work or stay healthy? This statement is ludicrous man.


No I would prefer the team move on and not put everything on hold for him. Also you have no way of knowing if he is doing exactly what I said. That smile at the end of the SB when the Int happened was very telling to me. You have no way of knowing if his plan is to not say anything until after the draft, and after most of the FA s are gone. At that point we might have wasted a chance to put weapons around Rw because we had to wait on Lynch, did not extend Rw because we waited on Lynch. He held us hostage last year until he got what he wanted. Only this year it could cost us more. Sorry my statement is not ludicrous at all, it is a possibility and that smile at the end of the SB makes me wonder if it was not more of a possibility than we think. We will see. I mean we cannot even make any real plans around FAs or the draft, until he makes up his mind and he knows that, that by definition is holding us hostage, whether he means to or not is irrelevant, he is.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby mykc14 » Sat Feb 21, 2015 6:04 pm

Anthony wrote:No I would prefer the team move on and not put everything on hold for him. Also you have no way of knowing if he is doing exactly what I said. That smile at the end of the SB when the Int happened was very telling to me. You have no way of knowing if his plan is to not say anything until after the draft, and after most of the FA s are gone. At that point we might have wasted a chance to put weapons around Rw because we had to wait on Lynch, did not extend Rw because we waited on Lynch. He held us hostage last year until he got what he wanted. Only this year it could cost us more. Sorry my statement is not ludicrous at all, it is a possibility and that smile at the end of the SB makes me wonder if it was not more of a possibility than we think. We will see. I mean we cannot even make any real plans around FAs or the draft, until he makes up his mind and he knows that, that by definition is holding us hostage, whether he means to or not is irrelevant, he is.


Why would they be waiting on Lynch to make a decision before they extend RW? They may work on Lynch's deal first but if they want to get RW done this offseason it will happen no matter what happens with Lynch, so your idea that he in anyway could hold us hostage from extending RW is ludicrous. I also have to believe that they will basically do what they want at the other positions as well, whether or not Lynch re-signs, although I agree if he were to wait until after FA/Draft it could affect their plans some.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby Anthony » Sat Feb 21, 2015 6:57 pm

mykc14 wrote:
Why would they be waiting on Lynch to make a decision before they extend RW? They may work on Lynch's deal first but if they want to get RW done this offseason it will happen no matter what happens with Lynch, so your idea that he in anyway could hold us hostage from extending RW is ludicrous. I also have to believe that they will basically do what they want at the other positions as well, whether or not Lynch re-signs, although I agree if he were to wait until after FA/Draft it could affect their plans some.


So you do not think lynch coming back will affect their FA and Draft plans. So loosing one of the 2 main cogs in a run first offense would not change you FA and draft plans. Yeah it would big time. As to Lynch impacting Wilson yeah it could, there has already been some reports of them making Wilson play out his rookie contract, What Lynch does will impact that, if it could not there would be no reason to wait to do Wilson.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby HumanCockroach » Sat Feb 21, 2015 8:13 pm

No I feel that a good FO is always attempting to upgrade their team, and have more than one option available, and multiple moves that can be made depending on the decisions made during the off season. I also it appears am one of the few that feel Turbin and Micheals have yet to reach their potential, and while not being able to replicate Lynches style could be very successful in the system in place. I also think the idea that getting a contract worked out with Lynch is "building those weapons" around Wilson to allow him to succeed, and as such, don't think Wilson would be foolish enough to see it differently, nor make him want to bail on a chance to be the next Tom Brady competeing for championships year after year. Nor do I for a SECOND believe Wilson was going to have his contract ripped up for next season REGARDLESS of whether he signed a new deal or not ( same as Earl, Sherm,Lynch,Kam, and anyone else they have signed to a new deal under the current FO).. I also do not believe, for an instant that should Seattle sign Wilson NEXT year, Wilson is going to "tank" the season ( which is idiotic, as a tanked season means LESS money not only from Seattle, but ANY other team should it get that far, which it won't).. NOR do I believe, that the best way to avoid animosity in the locker room is to start treating players differently when it comes to contracts, because of the initials after the name ( in this case Q and B) after the "divide" that supposedly occured that supposedly almost derailed the season, I can't imagine that WILSON wants that.

I don't believe for a second Lynch was "holding" the Seahawks hostage in February 2 weeks after the SB, nor that Wilson is "upset" that Seattle is attempting to retain him, that to me sounds like the worries of a person that is insecure and prone to worrying about what others think of them, which is not in any way shape or form the appearance Wilson displays.

Wilson may indeed want to be considered the "best QB to ever play the game" and I have to ask, how is that accomplished? Is it throwing the ball around the field with reckless abandon? Nope, it's winning titles, and Wilson bailing on Seattle certainly wouldn't help him accomplish those goals at this point, nor would becoming a whining prima dona QB that is only concerned with who got what and when. I'm NOT worried that Seattle won't be able to work out a contract with Wilson, AT ALL. Whether that be your concern or not, doesn't faze me.

Aliens could come down and invade the Earth, or a Nuclear holocaust could strike as well, and there are peopl "worried" about that as well, should I agree with them as well because it's a "possibility" ? Nah, I don't worry about stuff that "may" be or "could" be in such low probabilities.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby mykc14 » Sat Feb 21, 2015 9:29 pm

Anthony wrote:

As to Lynch impacting Wilson yeah it could, there has already been some reports of them making Wilson play out his rookie contract, What Lynch does will impact that, if it could not there would be no reason to wait to do Wilson.


No. Once again whether or not Lynch signs has nothing to do with Wilson's contract. If both sides want to resign this offseason they will, regardless of what Lynch gets. The money Lynch gets isn't going to hinder the team from resigning Wilson, come on. Do you really think they are sitting on their hands, waiting to see what Lynch does? Do you think Wilson's agent has contacted the team and JS and PC are like "oh wait we need to see what Lynch is going to do before we resign you. Sorry if he signs a new contract we won't be able to do you this offseason." Of course not. They have an idea what they want to pay Wilson. They have a whole offseason to do it. Everybody thinks Lynch has all the power this offseason, but the reality is that he doesn't. The team has just as much power. He is under contract next year regardless. By all accounts they have offered him a fair contract. They will operate as if he is going to sign that and know exactly how that will fit with RW's contract, Wags, what they might offer Maxwell and any free-agent that may come around. If they found a FA that they thought they couldn't live without and Lynch hasn't signed yet they could take his offer off the table and move on (I don't see that happening at all). The point is they are not sitting in their office, being held hostage waiting for Lynch.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby Anthony » Sun Feb 22, 2015 1:45 am

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No. Once again whether or not Lynch signs has nothing to do with Wilson's contract. If both sides want to resign this offseason they will, regardless of what Lynch gets. The money Lynch gets isn't going to hinder the team from resigning Wilson, come on. Do you really think they are sitting on their hands, waiting to see what Lynch does? Do you think Wilson's agent has contacted the team and JS and PC are like "oh wait we need to see what Lynch is going to do before we resign you. Sorry if he signs a new contract we won't be able to do you this offseason." Of course not. They have an idea what they want to pay Wilson. They have a whole offseason to do it. Everybody thinks Lynch has all the power this offseason, but the reality is that he doesn't. The team has just as much power. He is under contract next year regardless. By all accounts they have offered him a fair contract. They will operate as if he is going to sign that and know exactly how that will fit with RW's contract, Wags, what they might offer Maxwell and any free-agent that may come around. If they found a FA that they thought they couldn't live without and Lynch hasn't signed yet they could take his offer off the table and move on (I don't see that happening at all). The point is they are not sitting in their office, being held hostage waiting for Lynch.


If you really think that what Lynch doe swill not impact this team and Wilson and him signing then you really do not get it at all. Example Lynch resigns, for say oh 10 mil a year that is 3 mill less, yes they can still do Wilson, but they will not be bale to upgrade the passing talent around him, nor might they want to since we are a run first team. With that than Wilson needs to say do I want to beat up again and have no one to throw to again? The reality is you nor anyone else can say what affect what Lynch does and when he does it has on this team. All I am stating is a very real possibility. Yes you are right they operate as if he is going to sign, and then he waits, FA is pretty much done, raft done and he says nope I am done, and guess what we have no RB to take his place, because we thought we were getting him back and we are a run first team, we do nothing to sure up pass protection or get WR help and guess what we are screwed. Sorry it could happen. You know it is funny of this was say ADB doing this you guys would be mad, Rw you guys would be mad and say he is being selfish, but Lynch yeah he can do whatever he wants. I am not saying it will cost the team but it could and so far no one has been able to prove it could not.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby Anthony » Sun Feb 22, 2015 1:51 am

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Wilson may indeed want to be considered the "best QB to ever play the game" and I have to ask, how is that accomplished? Is it throwing the ball around the field with reckless abandon? Nope, it's winning titles, and Wilson bailing on Seattle certainly wouldn't help him accomplish those goals at this point, nor would becoming a whining prima dona QB that is only concerned with who got what and when. I'm NOT worried that Seattle won't be able to work out a contract with Wilson, AT ALL. Whether that be your concern or not, doesn't faze me.
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Really winning Titles is the only way to be considered the best, Hmm Favre only has 1 and he is considered one of the greats, Manning only 1 and he is considered one of the greats if not the greatest, Marino has none and he is considered one of the greats. You see the problem is you cannot just win and be considered the greatest any more you have to win and throw for 4k yards, and here with Lynch, Wilson will never get to do that. So yeah it is a concern. As to you not being concerned good for you. People said they were not concerned about the stock market a few years ago remind be what happened? oh yeah it busted. If I were you I would be concerned until he is signed, because you just do not know.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby mykc14 » Sun Feb 22, 2015 1:01 pm

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If you really think that what Lynch doe swill not impact this team and Wilson and him signing then you really do not get it at all. Example Lynch resigns, for say oh 10 mil a year that is 3 mill less, yes they can still do Wilson, but they will not be bale to upgrade the passing talent around him, nor might they want to since we are a run first team. With that than Wilson needs to say do I want to beat up again and have no one to throw to again? The reality is you nor anyone else can say what affect what Lynch does and when he does it has on this team. All I am stating is a very real possibility. Yes you are right they operate as if he is going to sign, and then he waits, FA is pretty much done, raft done and he says nope I am done, and guess what we have no RB to take his place, because we thought we were getting him back and we are a run first team, we do nothing to sure up pass protection or get WR help and guess what we are screwed. Sorry it could happen. You know it is funny of this was say ADB doing this you guys would be mad, Rw you guys would be mad and say he is being selfish, but Lynch yeah he can do whatever he wants. I am not saying it will cost the team but it could and so far no one has been able to prove it could not.


Once again I am not saying it will have NO effect I am saying they will resign RW regardless of what happens to Lynch. Also, they still can upgrade the talent around him while resigning Lynch, so I don't know why you keep brining that up. We still don't know who will even be available to help in the passing game yet and you are worrying about who we wouldn't be able to get if Lynch waits until training camp or whatever to decide he doesn't want to play, I don't get the worry. If JS and PC really want to upgrade the receiver position they will. Lets say Dez becomes available, believe it or not they still could sign him and resign Lynch and do RW and resign Wags. My point is that it isn't going to hinder them nearly as much as you think. Lets say Dez becomes available and they really want to sign him but Lynch hasn't signed yet. They can still sign Dez and structure the contract in a way where the big cap hit doesn't come until after Lynch's new deal would expire (so like a 6 year deal with a 14 mil/average the first 2 cap hits could be around 7 mil/year and then the cap hit could jump up to 18 mil after that), also knowing they will have 7.5 mil coming off the books next offseason helps. Again, they can still do whatever they want. If, in the end, he retires it will get them some money to roll over next year. Also, we don't know that the Hawks haven't given him a date in which he needs to make his decision by.
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Re: Article on another angle to look at for RW3 new contract

Postby RiverDog » Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:53 pm

Mykc is right. We are going to resign Russell. It's only a matter of when and for how much. Lynch's status is not in the equation at all with regards to Wilson's contract negotiations, with the exception that if there's enough money left over after signing Russell that some of the excess might get thrown at the Beast. I also seriously doubt that Lynch's status will enter into the equation of Wagner's resigning. IMO getting Russell and Bobby resigned are our top two off season priorities no matter what happens with Lynch.

Lynch's status may have an impact on a number of other players, though. If we over pay for him, we may end up having to cut Zach Miller or we may have to let James Carpenter walk. It could affect our draft as this year is supposed to be a good class for running backs, so if we don't get a deal done and we trade him or he retires, we could end up drafting another RB.
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