Bevfool strikes again!

[monkey]

What are you talking about? With one exception, everyone in this forum has said that it's more than just the failure of the coaching staff that led to the play's failure.

Can I ask you all to do me a big favor please?
Can I ask you guys to stop quoting that brainless fool at LEAST until I've calmed down enough from this loss, to handle seeing that much stupidity?

I put him on my ignore list almost a month ago, because he's a TROLL and therefore not worth talking to. (It was EASILY the best decision I've made since beginning to post here!)
Now I don't have to subject myself to that much pure, unadulterated idiocy, and ignorance.

I know that for some reason, one that is beyond my ability to understand, a few of you guys still like to play with your pet troll, but please, if you're going to play with him, at least have the decency not to drag his crap out where I can see it OK?
Give a hoot, don't pollute (this forum with his BS.)
Thanks!

[monkey]

^^^^ wow..............a reasonable post. Thank you!

I thought the exact same thing.
Not everything is someone's failure, sometimes things are just another's incredible success. That guy read the play, and jumped the route, and made a tough catch while shouldering out Lockette. Any way you slice it, that was a heckuva play by a virtually unknown player.
I think a genuine tip of the hat is in order! More than pointing fingers and assigning blame, I think we ought to be crediting him with making a terrific play!

[Hawk Sista]

The irony is that a lot of the same people (not just in this forum) that got pissed that Rogers and the national narrative was that Green Bay choked just can't let it go that we were bested in the most critical moment. YES!!!!! It hurts. I cried and hardly slept and feel half crazy that we lost. But damn, we were right there - w/ all the injuries - we were right there.

#proud12

[Hawk Sista]

For all of you posting about how the "national media" agrees it was the worst call ever, give this an objective listen. Even those of you who have said "nobody will EVER CONVINCE ME this was not the dumbest thing in history!" Also give Pete's interview w/ Brock & Salk a listen.

http://mynorthwest.com/category/pod_pla ... and%20Salk

[Anthony]

So a simple picture of the play the ball is already gone, Lockette has the inside track on it and allowed the defender to beat him. There is no way any decent Wr allows that, add to that Kearse did not get any kind of rub on the DB. Which Is my point if Lockette goes strong to the ball or Kearse gets his rub its a TD period. Wilson is on a quick strike, timing play he does not have time to readjust were he throws it, he is throwing to a spot based on the play the Wr allowed the DB to beat him there period. The reality is if the Wrs do their jobs its a TD period they did not, add to that it was a dumb play call.

To be honest to me the blame lies squarely with the OC for not using lynch, putting RW in a situation were he has no options he cannot run, he cannot scramble, all he can do it throw to a spot on a timing pattern, for using a guy who is not even a #4 Wr for the biggest play of the year, and then using a guy who at best is a #4 to pick one of the most physical DBs in the league who out weighs him by 30 pounds.

Against GB Wilson had 2 really bad throw no doubt, however this throw was not bad, it was a timing route, we you throw to a spot the Wr messed up, ala Hass against GB in the playoffs. That said that Wr should not have been in that situation.

[burrrton]

Look, man- all I know is we had three shots to get 36", and we had the best running game in the league, bar *none*.

We, and everybody else in the country outside of delusional NE fans, know good and well if we hand the ball off we're all heading to a parade tomorrow and talking dynasty.

That's where the analysis begins and ends for me.

[Anthony]

Look, man- all I know is we had three shots to get 36", and we had the best running game in the league, bar *none*.

We, and everybody else in the country outside of delusional NE fans, know good and well if we hand the ball off we're all heading to a parade tomorrow and talking dynasty.

That's where the analysis begins and ends for me.

I agree it should have been a run or read option, or read option pass or something that allowed Wilson to create, or throw it way not a timing pattern run by a guy who only was targeted 15 times all year.

[monkey]

Anthony...dude...let it go man!
I agree that it really wasn't something you can pin on Wilson, BUT, you see where that ball is? Is that ball a bit high, and a bit outside? Yeah...yeah it really is. It's a little too far ahead of the receiver, which is what allows the defender a chance to make an AWESOME play on the ball.
I agree that Kearse needed to get a better block, and to add to that, and again to show how stupid that play call is there, the guy he is supposed to block is none other than Brandon Browner. A guy we know for being VERY, VERY strong, and hard to block. Also a guy who knows our playbook intimately, and CLEARLY sniffed the play out. He saw it coming from a mile away.
Also, where was Chris Matthews???
But I digress.
If you were to pan the camera further back on that still shot, you would see something very sobering...you would see a VERY WIDE OPEN Marshawn Lynch, so wide open, he wasn't even covered. At all. He would have just caught the ball and walked in.
Game over.
All Wilson had to do was not throw to Lockette, but instead go through his progression there.
Again, bad play call, and no reason to put him into that position in the first place. Lockette WAS OPEN, at least he was when he threw the ball...trouble is, the defender read it and jumped the route.
As Bevell said, Lockette didn't go strong to the ball there either. He got knocked almost completely over, as a matter of fact. He acted as though he was trying to flop so as to get a flag.
Again though, bad play call putting Lockette, a guy not really known for his hands or route running, in a position where his route had to be absolutely precise, and he had to be STRONG. Lockette may in fact be a tough guy, he seems to be on special teams, but what he really is, is a track guy.
Still, no matter how you look at it, Wilson's pass was ahead of Lockette (and high) just enough that it allowed the defender to get to it. It wasn't a perfect throw.
Again, why put him in that situation in the first place?
I have no idea, and that's my problem with it, but don't completely absolve Wilson either. He took the blame (of course he did, because he's a true, stand up, class act, one who understand what it takes to be a leader of men!), let him take his share of it, rightfully so, and just say that, there is blame enough to go around*, but the vast majority of it goes to the coaching staff for putting their players in a position to fail, because they were WAY too worried about the clock. They were so over thinking the clock management part of it, that they failed to remember to trust their defense, to trust their running back, and to trust their team to do what it does best.
Pete doesn't see it that way of course, but of course he wouldn't.

*In fact, about the only guy who did his job exactly right on that play was Marshawn...WIDE OPEN MAN...ugghh!

[monkey]

Look, man- all I know is we had three shots to get 36", and we had the best running game in the league, bar *none*.

We, and everybody else in the country outside of delusional NE fans, know good and well if we hand the ball off we're all heading to a parade tomorrow and talking dynasty.

That's where the analysis begins and ends for me.

And then there is this.
LOL! Hard to trump this obvious truth.

The only thing I will say in Pete's defense (partially anyway) is that they were in a three wide look with the Pats countering with goal line, (duh! Of course they did! Bellichick knew the smart thing to do was run at them...*sigh*) so the numbers favored a pass there, at least on that down, until they could switch out personnel and bring in the heavy group.
Of course, the fact that they brought out the three wide look to begin with is unthinkably stupid...

[Anthony]

Anthony...dude...let it go man!
I agree that it really wasn't something you can pin on Wilson, BUT, you see where that ball is? Is that ball a bit high, and a bit outside? Yeah...yeah it really is. It's a little too far ahead of the receiver, which is what allows the defender a chance to make an AWESOME play on the ball.
I agree that Kearse needed to get a better block, and to add to that, and again to show how stupid that play call is there, the guy he is supposed to block is none other than Brandon Browner. A guy we know for being VERY, VERY strong, and hard to block. Also a guy who knows our playbook intimately, and CLEARLY sniffed the play out. He saw it coming from a mile away.
Also, where was Chris Matthews???
But I digress.
If you were to pan the camera further back on that still shot, you would see something very sobering...you would see a VERY WIDE OPEN Marshawn Lynch, so wide open, he wasn't even covered. At all. He would have just caught the ball and walked in.
Game over.
All Wilson had to do was not throw to Lockette, but instead go through his progression there.
Again, bad play call, and no reason to put him into that position in the first place. Lockette WAS OPEN, at least he was when he threw the ball...trouble is, the defender read it and jumped the route.
As Bevell said, Lockette didn't go strong to the ball there either. He got knocked almost completely over, as a matter of fact. He acted as though he was trying to flop so as to get a flag.
Again though, bad play call putting Lockette, a guy not really known for his hands or route running, in a position where his route had to be absolutely precise, and he had to be STRONG. Lockette may in fact be a tough guy, he seems to be on special teams, but what he really is, is a track guy.
Still, no matter how you look at it, Wilson's pass was ahead of Lockette (and high) just enough that it allowed the defender to get to it. It wasn't a perfect throw.
Again, why put him in that situation in the first place?
I have no idea, and that's my problem with it, but don't completely absolve Wilson either. He took the blame (of course he did, because he's a true, stand up, class act, one who understand what it takes to be a leader of men!), let him take his share of it, rightfully so, and just say that, there is blame enough to go around*, but the vast majority of it goes to the coaching staff for putting their players in a position to fail, because they were WAY too worried about the clock. They were so over thinking the clock management part of it, that they failed to remember to trust their defense, to trust their running back, and to trust their team to do what it does best.
Pete doesn't see it that way of course, but of course he wouldn't.

*In fact, about the only guy who did his job exactly right on that play was Marshawn...WIDE OPEN MAN...ugghh!

Monkey the problem is and this is per PC it was a timing pattern, Wilson had only one read on the play and needed to deliver the ball to a spot, and the Wr had to get there, he did not. AL that said to be honest I would have had no problem with Wilson taking some blame, but I am so sick and tired of Riv jumping to any chance he can to make sure Wilson gets blamed for anything that goes wrong with the team. To me what little blame you could place on Wilson is not even worth mentioning because the reality is if either Wr does there jobs its a TD, so anything that happens after is irrelevant. All Lockette needed to do is beat the guy to the spot, and he could not do it, that is why I out nothing on Wilson, Heath Evens said the same thing on the NFL network, he did say the pass might have been a tick late, but that if Lockette and Kearse do their job it does not matter. I agree , if lockette and Kearse do their job it is a TD that is why I put no blame on Wilson. Now if they did their job and it still got Int then I blame Wilson. But they did not.

[monkey]

Yes, it was a timing pattern, but that does NOT mean there was only one read. Where would you get that idea?
It was his PRIMARY read, but not his ONLY read. If Lockette looked covered, then he would have had to go through his progression, like always. Had he done that, we wouldn't be having this conversation, because he would have hit a wide open Marshawn Lynch for the game winning touchdown.
The argument that you can legitimately make is, Lockette looked open when he threw it, and when your primary read is in fact a timing route, a slant route no less, then a QB doesn't have much time at all to decide if his guy is open, and doesn't really have time to scan the field to see if that defender is breaking on the ball. Again...dumb play call in that situation.

[HumanCockroach]

Arrghh! You realise Monkey that you just about summarised in it's entirety why that call was so incredibly stupid, right? Grrrrrr....

Lets all just take a moment to let this sentencd sink in.....

Ricardo Lockette was the primary read ( has he ever been the primary read in Seattle prior to that play?)..... Honestly, NOTHING else is needed to know why that wasn't a good play selection, you don't need to know about Lynch, you don't have to dissect the throw, you don't need to discuss throwing into the heart of the defense, that statement ALONE is enough to decipher, that it was a bad call.

Just roll that around on your tongues for a few minutes, and then attempt to explain to me, that it wasn't a horrendous, moronic call.

And I agree with Burton, you have Lynch, and need 36" really not much more is needed, I'm not sure if Lynch doesn't run at all, that the offensive lineman couldn't have pushed him the necessary 3 feet....

[Anthony]

Yes, it was a timing pattern, but that does NOT mean there was only one read. Where would you get that idea?
It was his PRIMARY read, but not his ONLY read. If Lockette looked covered, then he would have had to go through his progression, like always. Had he done that, we wouldn't be having this conversation, because he would have hit a wide open Marshawn Lynch for the game winning touchdown.
The argument that you can legitimately make is, Lockette looked open when he threw it, and when your primary read is in fact a timing route, a slant route no less, then a QB doesn't have much time at all to decide if his guy is open, and doesn't really have time to scan the field to see if that defender is breaking on the ball. Again...dumb play call in that situation.

Because that Is what PC and Bevel said, it was a 1 read timing pattern. The reality is the throw was fine if the 2 WRs do their jobs. I do agree that the play call was dumb and ultimately the main reason it failed

[RiverDog]

Fair enough, I will.

Just keep in mind that before Anthony said anything about what went wrong, you were already discussing with (I think it was Human Cockroach) about Wilson being partly to blame'.
Not that you're wrong, you're not wrong, he IS partly to blame.
He should have NEVER been put into that position though. Nothing about that call was right, nothing.
I would be far more willing to assign blame to Wilson if he'd badly misread the receiver, or if he'd badly over or under thrown the receiver, or if he had tried to improvise and missed an open guy (Lynch was WIDE open BTW!) or...etc...
If he'd been asked to do what he's actually good at, if the team hadn't COMPLETELY gone away from their strength, from what they do, if the team hadn't abandoned their entire identity on the freaking goal line, and had asked Wilson to make the kind of play that he does so well, and then he'd failed...then I'd be more willing to assign blame to him.
When he's set up to fail like that though...

Agree 100%, and I have embraced the same opinions you have laid out above countless times since last Sunday night. That's what I was asking you to acknowledge, and I appreciate your willingness to accept it.

Wilson's decisions/actions were part of the equation of that play's failure and fair game for the thread. I have not assigned a weight to his role, or anyone else's role, in that equation. The closest I got was a very general somewhat less than 50% but more than 0%. I didn't use any adjectives or characterizations of him, simply gave a reasoned opinion and detailed my observations. I used a direct quote from a Seahawk beat writer to answer Anthony's challenge. Not surprisingly, he could not answer my challenge to him, that he find another opinion that assigns a zero to Russell's decisions/actions in that equation as he has done.

Perhaps we should quit using the term 'blame' and replace it with 'responsible'. Blame seems to carry a more negative connotation to it. It is not my intention to agitate other posters, but I do feel that I have a right to express my opinion and defend it when it is questioned.

[RiverDog]

Yes, it was a timing pattern, but that does NOT mean there was only one read. Where would you get that idea?
It was his PRIMARY read, but not his ONLY read. If Lockette looked covered, then he would have had to go through his progression, like always. Had he done that, we wouldn't be having this conversation, because he would have hit a wide open Marshawn Lynch for the game winning touchdown.
The argument that you can legitimately make is, Lockette looked open when he threw it, and when your primary read is in fact a timing route, a slant route no less, then a QB doesn't have much time at all to decide if his guy is open, and doesn't really have time to scan the field to see if that defender is breaking on the ball. Again...dumb play call in that situation.

I agree with everything except for the underlined portion. Butler was in Russell's direct line of vision, at least at the point of release. The still posted above shows that very clearly. There was no need to 'scan' the field to see if he was breaking on the ball. A common mistake made by all quarterbacks at one point or another is a natural tendency to focus in too closely on their target, ie "tunnel vision", to where they blot out defenders, and I think that's what happened to Russell.

The only question is if Butler was obscured from Russell's vision by being behind Browner before Russell's point of no return where he could have stopped his throwing motion. I think that Butler must have been in Russell's view in order for Butler to read with amazing accuracy where Russell was going and to do it with enough time to make his break and thus enough time for Russell to stop and reload or change his target more to the right and away from the defender. All DB's are taught to read the QB's eyes, and I can't imagine a DB making a break like that without being able to see the quarterback. If he could see Russell, then Russell could see him.

[monkey]

Butler was blocked form Wilson's view when he threw it.
I disagree with you on that.

[RiverDog]

Butler was blocked form Wilson's view when he threw it.
I disagree with you on that.

Although we know that he could see him when Russell was at his release point, we don't have a definitive camera angle to prove it one way or another if he could see him before he reached that point of no return. But I have a hard time believing that any DB is going to make a break on the play like that and correctly calculate the exact spot he had to be without being able to read the quarterback's eyes and body language, and he would have had to do so far enough in advance to where he could beat Lockette to the spot, enough in advance for Russell to have seen him.

We also have Russell's comments, that he was just a little off target. He would have been right on target had Butler not stepped in front of Lockette, so one can conclude that he saw him and went through with the throw anyway.

[HumanCockroach]

Monkey is right on this point, when Wilson has pulled the ball back, the DB is behind Browner, and Kearse, if Kearse is able to slide in to the left, the DB has no play on Lockette, and I'm not sure Wilson can even see him, much less expect him to navigate through and make a play as quickly as he did. Saw it on my FB feed, and Wilson is already in the process of delivering the ball... Pretty damn amazing play by NE, and shows the amount of preparation they must have had for that guy to make that play...

Does not change in anyway my disdain for the call, but I find less fault after looking at it for Wilson, and Lockette than I had before ( which wasn't that much to begin with, though more blame should be credited here for Kearse for not creating a harder path to the ball)....

Ultimately, it probably should have been a TD, minus a well prepared incredible play by a young undrafted kid ( also of note is Butler wasn't on the field when Seattle called the play in the huddle, and was a last second substitution) still haven't clue why that was the call, or why they didn't at least use Lynch as a decoy, or allow Wilson to move if they were so hell bent on passing it. I'll never get over that decision, but at least Monkey had the truth of it about the position of the players.

[NorthHawk]

Some people are bagging on Lockette and I think for me that is part of my problem with accepting this as a good play call.
I disagree with giving him a lot of fault. I think they put him in a real bad position to succeed.
How many times has he ran this play where he is the primary receiver on a shallow slant (let alone in the last minute of the Super Bowl with its added pressure)?
Off hand I can't think of many if any and with that play you need a receiver who is fearless across the middle.
Lockette is a speed guy who primarily runs down field. He may run a post pattern, or deep slant, but he rarely runs short quick slants into the middle of the Defense where the big guys hang out.
Guys like Baldwin and last year Tate had run those plays successfully, so to use Lockette as the primary with that play in that situation and for one of the few times in his career is a bad decision in my mind. It's a recipe for crocodile arms. Baldwin was being eliminated by Revis most of the game, so trying to force that play to a receiver who is somewhat inexperienced with it when early in the down is to me a strange decision and huge gamble.

[HumanCockroach]

Honestly, as much as I love Lockette, why wouldn't you put a bigger boddied guy there that can be physical if that is the play you are so enamored with, I hear there was this guy named Matthews that was signed specifically for that reason, and I believe he had done alright fighting for balls in the air during that game.....

[monkey]

Honestly, as much as I love Lockette, why wouldn't you put a bigger boddied guy there that can be physical if that is the play you are so enamored with, I hear there was this guy named Matthews that was signed specifically for that reason, and I believe he had done alright fighting for balls in the air during that game.....

Yep, and again, I go back to the first mistake in that series of unfortunate events, which was bringing out the three receiver formation, instead of the goal line group to begin with.
It all started with putting the wrong people on the field for that situation.
We have what can be an outstanding goal line group when you remember that we have a guy who plays tackle, who play tight end in college and just recently caught a HUGE touchdown for us. Where was he? Oh yeah, he was sitting on the bench wondering why we weren't running the ball like everyone else was.

[NorthHawk]

I thought Gilliam wasn't active for the Super Bowl.

[HumanCockroach]

Side angle of the play.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/23 ... hared=true

[Anthony]

Side angle of the play.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/23 ... hared=true

Okay that does not help Lockette he is suppose to run a slant he stopped, hesitated for no reason. IF he doe snot he gets there before the defender

[monkey]

Side angle of the play.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/23 ... hared=true

Gotta agree with Anthony (and Bevell again) there, he did hesitate. He didn't run that route crisp at all.
Again though, he shouldn't have been put into the position to begin with!

That play would be AWESOME as a third and five-ish, middle of-the-field, type of play. It just wasn't the right play for 2nd and goal from the one with the defense stacked in the middle.

[monkey]

The more I watch that play, the more I see all kinds of screw ups.
Wilson and Lockette both seemed to hesitate a bit, Wilson did seem to get locked in, so locked in that he left himself no choice but to throw it there, and Lockette did seem to hesitate a bit at the start of his route, and didn't really cut it hard enough at all.
Kearse screwed up his block, which allowed the other corner to get a free shot at the ball in the first place, and I think both Browner and whats-his-name read the play the whole danged way... In fact, danged near everything about that play was wrong.

[Hawktawk]

Okay that does not help Lockette he is suppose to run a slant he stopped, hesitated for no reason. IF he doe snot he gets there before the defender

This is a little long, sorry

Anthony please give it a rest. Ive watched the God@#nm play 50 times now at least and I see more all the time.
This view gives even more blame for the int to Russ, sorry. Watch as he glances at Lockette and Kearse a second before the snap, tipping off the defense. And at the snap Browner stuffs Kearse, who was supposed to run a rub on the other DB, giving him a free shot. The kid is moving at the snap. Danger Russ got tunnel vision and just didn't see him.And Lockette did not pause, RW paused, the ball should have been released sooner, lower, with more velocity and to the middle of the receivers body. It would not have been a score IMO but it would not have been a pick. It is what it is, the play was doomed by execution not performed by 3 members of the offense including RW and excellent execution by the defense including Browner with the dominant jam on Kearse, the rook with the unbelievable pick, and the coach who ran the kid on the field after the Hawks had showed their hand.

Honestly I dont want to think about it or debate it anymore right now. We got beat fair and square. They closed the biggest 4th quarter deficit in SB history and made the perfect defensive play to preserve it. And saying its a lead pipe cinch Lynch gets it in is simply unprovable.I'd like to have found out like every one else but thats not life.Last years NFC title game Lynch fumbled on the goal line which made it a winnable one score game at the end that the defense preserved. Who knows what type of run blitz etc the Pats might have dialed up? They were smart enough to have 3 DBs on the back end of their goal line package.


It was said that by some that SB 40 was lost when Hamlin got his skull bashed in at Pioneer square after the blowout of the Texans. I think it was more like when Bill Leavy confirmed the money was in the Caymans:) But 49 was lost when Mebane then Hill went down, when Sherm, Cam Bam and Thomas got seriously injured.When Lane broke his arm on the biggest play of his life. When Avril got escorted off concussed and Edleman didn't. When they caught a couple and we dropped a couple. A few huge sacks by NE. And still it was right there. A great call by Bevell to split Marshawn wide, coupled with a great route and catch. An all time grab of a great throw by Kearse. And the Beast more like a foot short shitty spot.Then a viable play blown up by a great situational defensive play.
Fellow Hawks fans, it was not meant to be but it was meant to be close. We were 3-3 and 6-4. DOA in the NFC Title game and it was right there.What a team!!! I am so proud and so ready for next year. GO HAWKS!!!!!

[monkey]

OK, I intend for this to be the last I am going to speak of the play. At least that is my intention..
I read a quote by Kurt Warner, one which perfectly explains why I mostly disagree with Riverdog's blaming Wilson for the throw, and which perfectly backs Bevell's assertion that he didn't go hard enough for the ball.

I believe that interception was as much about the execution of the play as it was the play call," Warner said. "They had a perfect situation on the outside, they had man-to-man coverage, they had a stack formation, the inside guy (Kearse) was pressed, the outside guy (Lockette) had a guy five yards off of him (Butler). In that situation you need 1 yard – that's easy. You run a bit of a rub play, it's easy.

"What happened, the outside receiver didn't push up at all. When you push up you hold your defender because he doesn't know if you're going inside or out. You push up and it creates a little more of a rub, helps the guy on the inside. You push up and break across, I believe it's a touchdown. He goes right now, which allows Butler to see it right now, and Butler makes a phenomenal play, bee-lining to the perfect spot right where the ball was, and makes the interception.

I agree completely with this statement. Completely. He's 100% right, and as a former QB, he ought to know.
He thinks it's more a failure of execution than of the play calling, I would phrase it very differently. I would say that the bad decision on who to send in, led to a bad choice of plays, which led ultimately to bad execution because we had the wrong personnel in for that play call. Ultimately though, I do agree with him that the poor execution directly led to the pick.

[Anthony]

This is a little long, sorry

Anthony please give it a rest. Ive watched the God@#nm play 50 times now at least and I see more all the time.
This view gives even more blame for the int to Russ, sorry. Watch as he glances at Lockette and Kearse a second before the snap, tipping off the defense. And at the snap Browner stuffs Kearse, who was supposed to run a rub on the other DB, giving him a free shot. The kid is moving at the snap. Danger Russ got tunnel vision and just didn't see him.And Lockette did not pause, RW paused, the ball should have been released sooner, lower, with more velocity and to the middle of the receivers body. It would not have been a score IMO but it would not have been a pick. It is what it is, the play was doomed by execution not performed by 3 members of the offense including RW and excellent execution by the defense including Browner with the dominant jam on Kearse, the rook with the unbelievable pick, and the coach who ran the kid on the field after the Hawks had showed their hand.

Honestly I dont want to think about it or debate it anymore right now. We got beat fair and square. They closed the biggest 4th quarter deficit in SB history and made the perfect defensive play to preserve it. And saying its a lead pipe cinch Lynch gets it in is simply unprovable.I'd like to have found out like every one else but thats not life.Last years NFC title game Lynch fumbled on the goal line which made it a winnable one score game at the end that the defense preserved. Who knows what type of run blitz etc the Pats might have dialed up? They were smart enough to have 3 DBs on the back end of their goal line package.


It was said that by some that SB 40 was lost when Hamlin got his skull bashed in at Pioneer square after the blowout of the Texans. I think it was more like when Bill Leavy confirmed the money was in the Caymans:) But 49 was lost when Mebane then Hill went down, when Sherm, Cam Bam and Thomas got seriously injured.When Lane broke his arm on the biggest play of his life. When Avril got escorted off concussed and Edleman didn't. When they caught a couple and we dropped a couple. A few huge sacks by NE. And still it was right there. A great call by Bevell to split Marshawn wide, coupled with a great route and catch. An all time grab of a great throw by Kearse. And the Beast more like a foot short shitty spot.Then a viable play blown up by a great situational defensive play.
Fellow Hawks fans, it was not meant to be but it was meant to be close. We were 3-3 and 6-4. DOA in the NFC Title game and it was right there.What a team!!! I am so proud and so ready for next year. GO HAWKS!!!!!

Great sorry I will not give it a rest period. You want to try to come up with some lame excuse about Wilson staring and all fine come up with it, but in the end the picture and replay clearly shows Lockette hesitated, he doe snot not hesitate TD done over. I do agree that Kearse did a lousy job on the rub however the play still would have worked if Lockette does not hesitate. FYI Yes Wilson did look right and he also looked left he did not stare down anything. So sorry but there is no blame for this one on Wilson.

[Hawktawk]

There is a lot of discipline in not blaming one person.... Finding a scapegoat. I understand the play was not the best calI - I understand Lockette could have tried harder, I understand it all. I'm hurting too. All I'm saying is I'm proud of our team. I'm proud of our coaches. I appreciate that Pete owns it and doesn't blame others. I Wish like hell it was all different. But it wasn't. That rookie made a great play. It makes me sick that everyone wants to point fingers and blame heart-broken, hard-working players and coaches in this very sad time. Jesus. We wouldn't be where we are w/o those same people.

There's nothing to be done. All the ranting and raving is just hurting you.

Go hawks

Right on Sista! Em a 55 year old redneck as you well know and we found something to totally agree on.The Hawks played an amazing game and some no name rook blew it up. It doesn't change the fact that the hawks are the most progressive team in the league. Hey Cheatriots we will see U next year!!!!

[NorthHawk]

Hawktawk wrote:

This is a little long, sorry

Anthony please give it a rest. Ive watched the God@#nm play 50 times now at least and I see more all the time.
This view gives even more blame for the int to Russ, sorry. Watch as he glances at Lockette and Kearse a second before the snap, tipping off the defense. And at the snap Browner stuffs Kearse, who was supposed to run a rub on the other DB, giving him a free shot. The kid is moving at the snap. Danger Russ got tunnel vision and just didn't see him.And Lockette did not pause, RW paused, the ball should have been released sooner, lower, with more velocity and to the middle of the receivers body. It would not have been a score IMO but it would not have been a pick. It is what it is, the play was doomed by execution not performed by 3 members of the offense including RW and excellent execution by the defense including Browner with the dominant jam on Kearse, the rook with the unbelievable pick, and the coach who ran the kid on the field after the Hawks had showed their hand.

Honestly I dont want to think about it or debate it anymore right now. We got beat fair and square. They closed the biggest 4th quarter deficit in SB history and made the perfect defensive play to preserve it. And saying its a lead pipe cinch Lynch gets it in is simply unprovable.I'd like to have found out like every one else but thats not life.Last years NFC title game Lynch fumbled on the goal line which made it a winnable one score game at the end that the defense preserved. Who knows what type of run blitz etc the Pats might have dialed up? They were smart enough to have 3 DBs on the back end of their goal line package.


It was said that by some that SB 40 was lost when Hamlin got his skull bashed in at Pioneer square after the blowout of the Texans. I think it was more like when Bill Leavy confirmed the money was in the Caymans:) But 49 was lost when Mebane then Hill went down, when Sherm, Cam Bam and Thomas got seriously injured.When Lane broke his arm on the biggest play of his life. When Avril got escorted off concussed and Edleman didn't. When they caught a couple and we dropped a couple. A few huge sacks by NE. And still it was right there. A great call by Bevell to split Marshawn wide, coupled with a great route and catch. An all time grab of a great throw by Kearse. And the Beast more like a foot short shitty spot.Then a viable play blown up by a great situational defensive play.
Fellow Hawks fans, it was not meant to be but it was meant to be close. We were 3-3 and 6-4. DOA in the NFC Title game and it was right there.What a team!!! I am so proud and so ready for next year. GO HAWKS!!!!!


Great sorry I will not give it a rest period. You want to try to come up with some lame excuse about Wilson staring and all fine come up with it, but in the end the picture and replay clearly shows Lockette hesitated, he doe snot not hesitate TD done over. I do agree that Kearse did a lousy job on the rub however the play still would have worked if Lockette does not hesitate. FYI Yes Wilson did look right and he also looked left he did not stare down anything. So sorry but there is no blame for this one on Wilson.

Sounds like a wife defending her man...

[Anthony]

Hawktawk wrote:

This is a little long, sorry

Anthony please give it a rest. Ive watched the God@#nm play 50 times now at least and I see more all the time.
This view gives even more blame for the int to Russ, sorry. Watch as he glances at Lockette and Kearse a second before the snap, tipping off the defense. And at the snap Browner stuffs Kearse, who was supposed to run a rub on the other DB, giving him a free shot. The kid is moving at the snap. Danger Russ got tunnel vision and just didn't see him.And Lockette did not pause, RW paused, the ball should have been released sooner, lower, with more velocity and to the middle of the receivers body. It would not have been a score IMO but it would not have been a pick. It is what it is, the play was doomed by execution not performed by 3 members of the offense including RW and excellent execution by the defense including Browner with the dominant jam on Kearse, the rook with the unbelievable pick, and the coach who ran the kid on the field after the Hawks had showed their hand.

Honestly I dont want to think about it or debate it anymore right now. We got beat fair and square. They closed the biggest 4th quarter deficit in SB history and made the perfect defensive play to preserve it. And saying its a lead pipe cinch Lynch gets it in is simply unprovable.I'd like to have found out like every one else but thats not life.Last years NFC title game Lynch fumbled on the goal line which made it a winnable one score game at the end that the defense preserved. Who knows what type of run blitz etc the Pats might have dialed up? They were smart enough to have 3 DBs on the back end of their goal line package.


It was said that by some that SB 40 was lost when Hamlin got his skull bashed in at Pioneer square after the blowout of the Texans. I think it was more like when Bill Leavy confirmed the money was in the Caymans:) But 49 was lost when Mebane then Hill went down, when Sherm, Cam Bam and Thomas got seriously injured.When Lane broke his arm on the biggest play of his life. When Avril got escorted off concussed and Edleman didn't. When they caught a couple and we dropped a couple. A few huge sacks by NE. And still it was right there. A great call by Bevell to split Marshawn wide, coupled with a great route and catch. An all time grab of a great throw by Kearse. And the Beast more like a foot short shitty spot.Then a viable play blown up by a great situational defensive play.
Fellow Hawks fans, it was not meant to be but it was meant to be close. We were 3-3 and 6-4. DOA in the NFC Title game and it was right there.What a team!!! I am so proud and so ready for next year. GO HAWKS!!!!!


Great sorry I will not give it a rest period. You want to try to come up with some lame excuse about Wilson staring and all fine come up with it, but in the end the picture and replay clearly shows Lockette hesitated, he doe snot not hesitate TD done over. I do agree that Kearse did a lousy job on the rub however the play still would have worked if Lockette does not hesitate. FYI Yes Wilson did look right and he also looked left he did not stare down anything. So sorry but there is no blame for this one on Wilson.

Sounds like a wife defending her man...

You would know.

[RiverDog]

This is a little long, sorry

Anthony please give it a rest. Ive watched the God@#nm play 50 times now at least and I see more all the time.
This view gives even more blame for the int to Russ, sorry. Watch as he glances at Lockette and Kearse a second before the snap, tipping off the defense. And at the snap Browner stuffs Kearse, who was supposed to run a rub on the other DB, giving him a free shot. The kid is moving at the snap. Danger Russ got tunnel vision and just didn't see him.And Lockette did not pause, RW paused, the ball should have been released sooner, lower, with more velocity and to the middle of the receivers body. It would not have been a score IMO but it would not have been a pick. It is what it is, the play was doomed by execution not performed by 3 members of the offense including RW and excellent execution by the defense including Browner with the dominant jam on Kearse, the rook with the unbelievable pick, and the coach who ran the kid on the field after the Hawks had showed their hand.

Honestly I dont want to think about it or debate it anymore right now. We got beat fair and square. They closed the biggest 4th quarter deficit in SB history and made the perfect defensive play to preserve it. And saying its a lead pipe cinch Lynch gets it in is simply unprovable.I'd like to have found out like every one else but thats not life.Last years NFC title game Lynch fumbled on the goal line which made it a winnable one score game at the end that the defense preserved. Who knows what type of run blitz etc the Pats might have dialed up? They were smart enough to have 3 DBs on the back end of their goal line package.


It was said that by some that SB 40 was lost when Hamlin got his skull bashed in at Pioneer square after the blowout of the Texans. I think it was more like when Bill Leavy confirmed the money was in the Caymans:) But 49 was lost when Mebane then Hill went down, when Sherm, Cam Bam and Thomas got seriously injured.When Lane broke his arm on the biggest play of his life. When Avril got escorted off concussed and Edleman didn't. When they caught a couple and we dropped a couple. A few huge sacks by NE. And still it was right there. A great call by Bevell to split Marshawn wide, coupled with a great route and catch. An all time grab of a great throw by Kearse. And the Beast more like a foot short shitty spot.Then a viable play blown up by a great situational defensive play.
Fellow Hawks fans, it was not meant to be but it was meant to be close. We were 3-3 and 6-4. DOA in the NFC Title game and it was right there.What a team!!! I am so proud and so ready for next year. GO HAWKS!!!!!

Nice post, Hawktalk. You mentioned a lot of things about that last play that I saw but that others didn't or refused to see.

That's my last comment about it, at least until someone brings it up in a month or so. I'm done dissecting it. I've seen it as much as the Immaculate Reception, as much as Bart Starr's QB sneak in the ice bowl, as much as Lynn Swann's catch in SB whatever, and I've been seeing those plays for decades. And whether I want to or not, I'll have to watch it again for at least another 20 times just in this off season alone. I hate that play.

I'm still not over this loss, and I'm not sure if I ever will get over it. I'm just tired of arguing about that one play. It's getting to be a pointless exercise in futility. So Anthony, you win. If you want to go on believing that Russell has no responsibility whatsoever in that last play, then go right ahead, I won't stand in your way. It's to the point now that I feel like I'm trying to tell my kids that there is no Santa Claus, no Easter Bunny, and no Tooth Fairy, then start asking myself why I should even want to take away a little kid's fantasy before they are mature enough to give it up themselves.

So please, if any of you guys catch me making a comment about that play in the next 8-10 weeks, feel free to slap me in the face and bring me out of it.

[RiverDog]

Sounds like a wife defending her man...

LOL!

[HumanCockroach]

Sounds like a wife defending her man...

Damn, looks like I got the short straw when it comes to wives.....

[Zorn76]

So...how is everybody feeling today?

For me, I'm pretty much done with the whole thing. Looking forward to a break from the NFL until draft time, then fire up the fan machine again for the regular season.

You never know how many opportunities your team will get to win a SB, but the hunch here is that we'll be adding more with this group of players before all is said and done.

Go Seahawks!!!

[Agent 86]

So...how is everybody feeling today?

For me, I'm pretty much done with the whole thing. Looking forward to a break from the NFL until draft time, then fire up the fan machine again for the regular season.

You never know how many opportunities your team will get to win a SB, but the hunch here is that we'll be adding more with this group of players before all is said and done.

Go Seahawks!!!

I feel good, I deleted the game from the PVR, I don't think I will ever watch it back knowing the result. I have "Sound FX" from that game, will probably wait a couple months before I watch it.

Winning last year made all the difference in the world for me, if they hadn't and then that happened, I know I would still be an emotional wreck.

Does it sound weird for me to say that I am more upset about Super Bowl XL, something that happened 9 years ago now, than I am about a game that happened 5 days ago? Cause I am, XL will forever be a sore spot with me, I don't think I will ever fully accept that game for what went down. I can accept what happened this year, given we won the year before.

I agree, I think this team is set up to compete for titles for the next 3-5 years at least.

[RiverDog]

So...how is everybody feeling today?

For me, I'm pretty much done with the whole thing. Looking forward to a break from the NFL until draft time, then fire up the fan machine again for the regular season.

You never know how many opportunities your team will get to win a SB, but the hunch here is that we'll be adding more with this group of players before all is said and done.

Go Seahawks!!!

Yea, me, too. My daily morning and/or afternoon routine was listening to Sirius NFL, now I've gone back to listening to music instead. Outside a couple of these boards, I don't plan on doing a whole lot of thinking about next year until April rolls around. I'm not as much of a draftnik as some in here, especially when it involves trying to out guess this front office. I'm still pretty bummed about the SB. It would have been great to add our team to the 5 or 6 teams that have won back-to-back.

[obiken]

We become the Spurs, next year, period.

[c_hawkbob]

I feel good, I deleted the game from the PVR, I don't think I will ever watch it back knowing the result. I have "Sound FX" from that game, will probably wait a couple months before I watch it.

Winning last year made all the difference in the world for me, if they hadn't and then that happened, I know I would still be an emotional wreck.

Does it sound weird for me to say that I am more upset about Super Bowl XL, something that happened 9 years ago now, than I am about a game that happened 5 days ago? Cause I am, XL will forever be a sore spot with me, I don't think I will ever fully accept that game for what went down. I can accept what happened this year, given we won the year before.

I agree, I think this team is set up to compete for titles for the next 3-5 years at least.

^^ This. All of it.