Bevfool strikes again!

[RiverDog]

2nd and goal from the one with 30 seconds and a timeout wasn't quite as easy as the Bill Buckner error, and the outcome didn't rest entirely on the shoulders of just one man as it did with Buckner, although some in here are trying to hang it all on Bevell. But Bill Buckner is perhaps the closest analogy that we can come up with.

I heard that one guy actually compared our decision to throw a pass over the middle as the worst decision in the sporting world since the Red Sox traded Babe Ruth to the Yankees. I bit over the top IMO.

[monkey]

and the fact that Wilson WANTED to run the ball and was over ridden, is something to me that is absolutely insane. Wilson wants to WIN more than he wants to be the "star" and in this circumstance he was indeed content to take a back seat, in order to do so. WHY Bevfool and Carroll chose THAT moment to override his imput, is beyond me.

I've followed the fallout fairly closely, but somehow I've missed this.
Where did you get this from?

[RiverDog]

[Riv try as you might your need to blame Wilson is wrong, and the axe you seem to have is getting old. Fact Bevel called the play, fact it is a timing play, facts Wilson threw it were it was suppose to be and the guy jumped it. Done over. Wilson is not to blame the blame here is on Bevel for calling this stupid play that did not use Lynch, did not allow Wilson to have other options besides a timing pass. So give it a break your need to always find some blame to put on Wilson even when there is none is boarding on trolling status.

Here's something for you to chew on, Anthony. It was not authored by a troll as you accuse me of being, but by Hugh Millen, a former UW/NFL quarterback and who is a Seahawk beat writer for the Seattle Times:

"But the play was on second down. In four-down territory. Wilson had to be sure, or else chuck it to the photographers.

"Though the play was quick, and quicker from the shotgun, the quarterback is the last analyst for the Seahawks. Coaches cannot anticipate all reactions from all defenders, particularly the sell out by Butler (to jump Lockette's route). The quarterback has to see it."

"If the coach sends in a skunk, it's the quarterback's job to not let it stink.". Millen also had some critical remarks pertaining to the ball placement on that ill fated pass of which I did not include.

So tell me again how Russell Wilson is completely blameless, bears zero responsibility, and should be coated with Teflon in this abortion of a play and how I am such a hater for suggesting that your man love is actually a human being instead of the God-like stature that you have elevated him to.

[monkey]

Riv, I think he deserves some blame, (less than you seem to want to attach to him) but I have a serious question for you.
Why have you spent literally the whole season, trying to assign blame to Wilson for every thing that goes wrong?
This is what he saw when he threw it.

[RiverDog]

Riv, I think he deserves some blame, (less than you seem to want to attach to him) but I have a serious question for you.
Why have you spent literally the whole season, trying to assign blame to Wilson for every thing that goes wrong?
This is what he saw when he threw it.

I have never assigned a percentage of blame, but Anthony has. He assigned zero percent to Wilson. All I am saying is that Russell deserves SOME blame, way less than half but way more than Anthony's zero, for the failure of that play.

The still you posted is revealing, but it does not show movement and acceleration, the relative speeds of the players pictured. It is a weakness of still photography. Run it as a video and you get an entirely different perception. By the time the ball arrives, Butler is in position to make the pick. Russell has to see that movement and acceleration, especially on 2nd down on a play where we did not have to score.

[Hawktawk]

Ive watched the video way too many times now but I see a little more detail all the time.RW and Carrol are correct that it would have been a score if properly executed. Browner is a big factor by tying up Kearse and actually getting a glancing shot at Lockette. That disrupted the play and slowed it down. And the jump the kid got on the ball is unbelievable. As slick as Bevell and PC thought they were an undrafted rook guessed perfectly on the play. He also did a great job of avoiding contact until the ball got to him and a really amazing job of squeezing the pass after the collision. It shouldn't have come as any surprise the Pats were going to take chances on jumping anything in the air but the kid made an amazing play, period. He should have been MVP. Without that play they lose.
Check and Checkmate. Dynasty to dummies. There is next year for this group of guys if the emotions of this dont rip them apart.

[HumanCockroach]

Monkey,

Somewhere on this board, but it certainly wasn't verified by me, and maybe in my blind rage, I misunderstood what was posted.. Someone said in the "short interview" Which I took to mean following the SB, but who knows? I could be completely wrong. At this point I just want to lay down, moan, lick my wounds and burry that decision as far down as I can, with all the other painful scars I carry...

[Anthony]

Here's something for you to chew on, Anthony. It was not authored by a troll as you accuse me of being, but by Hugh Millen, a former UW/NFL quarterback and who is a Seahawk beat writer for the Seattle Times:

"But the play was on second down. In four-down territory. Wilson had to be sure, or else chuck it to the photographers.

"Though the play was quick, and quicker from the shotgun, the quarterback is the last analyst for the Seahawks. Coaches cannot anticipate all reactions from all defenders, particularly the sell out by Butler (to jump Lockette's route). The quarterback has to see it."

"If the coach sends in a skunk, it's the quarterback's job to not let it stink.". Millen also had some critical remarks pertaining to the ball placement on that ill fated pass of which I did not include.

So tell me again how Russell Wilson is completely blameless, bears zero responsibility, and should be coated with Teflon in this abortion of a play and how I am such a hater for suggesting that your man love is actually a human being instead of the God-like stature that you have elevated him to.

Find me a link because I heard Milan lay the blame firmly on the play call, and said Wilson through it to the right spot fyi so did Huard. So no link I do not buy it. Not to mention for every person you find who places blame on Wilson I can fund 2 who do not. Proves little other than you love making sure Wilson gets blamed, just to be straight the only reason I am taking such as stance here is because you always go out of your way to not only make sure Wilson gets blamed but over ensure it. If you just said it once and let it go I probably would be okay with it, and maybe even agree to like a 1% . But you take great pleasure in ensuring everyone knows on anything that has to do with the Hawks if it goes wrong Wilson has blame. it is really pathetic.

[Anthony]

I have never assigned a percentage of blame, but Anthony has. He assigned zero percent to Wilson. All I am saying is that Russell deserves SOME blame, way less than half but way more than Anthony's zero, for the failure of that play.

The still you posted is revealing, but it does not show movement and acceleration, the relative speeds of the players pictured. It is a weakness of still photography. Run it as a video and you get an entirely different perception. By the time the ball arrives, Butler is in position to make the pick. Russell has to see that movement and acceleration, especially on 2nd down on a play where we did not have to score.

Dude you missing the point anytime anything goes wrong you take great pleasure and go to great length, to ensure Wilson gets his share of the blame and repeat it over and over again. The Still proves the guy was open, Wilson it threw it to the spot like he is suppose to and the SB made a great play and beat out Lockette done over. Wilson had already started his throwing motion he could not stop it. Blame the OC he is 100% responsible for making a crappy call period.

[Agent 86]

My first post since the game ended. What a crushing defeat.

I see the blame is being passed out to a lot of people, and rightfully so. I agree that everyone on that play deserves some sort of blame, even RW3. It is just really hard to fathom that was the play Bevell/Pete came up with. It just makes your mind go to places you hoped it wouldn't, playing the "what if" game. The thing that stood out to me is if that had not been picked, at the very least on a play call like that with the ball being thrown that hard on such a short route, there was a good chance the ball could be deflected up in the air.

But what do you do, it also could have worked. The kid made a heck of a play on it, just have to give him credit for it.

I am actually, and a little surprisingly, OK with everything. And I know it has everything to do with winning it last year. If that hadn't happened, and what happened last night does happen, I can't say what kind of emotional toll that would have had on me. I would have had a bunch of family and friends tell me "it's just a game", which would make my blood boil even more. Lol.

I think there were multiple plays you could look at where mistakes were made. For me, the Jeremy Lane injury had the biggest effect. It brought Tharold Simon into a role he just wasn't ready for. He got beat for 2 more TD's (got beat on 4 of the 7 TD's given up by the D in the playoffs). I know I was hard on Simon in here after the Carolina game, I just think that matchup for Brady was a slam dunk when they needed it.

Just read an article stating that Bam Bam was way more injured than they let on. Also with Sherm and Earl banged up, then losing Lane, that whole secondary was beat up. Those injuries were a big factor in the 4th quarter, along with losing Avril. The LOB just wasn't playing to full capacity which is dominant. They were still very good, but playing below the level they are used to because of the injuries suffered. That is solid bunch of "warriors" back there. Shout out to Chris Matthews as well, what a game from the kid.

It was a great ride, disappointing ending, definitely feel proud to be a 'Hawks fan. For the record, I think Bevell stays.

[HumanCockroach]

I think he stays too, though I'm not sure how he regains the trust of some of those players in the locker room, and I kind of doubt no matter how good he does in the coming years in Seattle, fans will always harbor a hidden ( and depending on how "cute" he gets in some games not so hidden) resentment for him for a long, long time.

I wasn't saying no one holds culpability, I was saying NONE of them should have been put in that situation to begin with, the Seahawks deviated from there identitiy in that moment, which IMHO is about as stupid as you can get. I haven't said Wilson, Lockette or Carroll deserve no share of blame, whether in terms of execution ( and lets not forget Kearse in this instance either as he was indeed suppose to run interference for Lockette) or willingly going along with that abortion of a playcall, that said, ultimately it WAS Bevells call, and IMHO None of them should have been IN that situation to begin with..

I could have handled losing doing what ANY of the players on the field do best, but that is NOT what was called, or run, and that, I'm not entirely sure I'll ever be able to put away.

[obiken]

Your taking our 5-11 qb, one of, if not the best Play action qb's in the league, and having only one option, that is to do what he is weakest at: throwing the ball over the middle. Sorry, Pete has made some great calls, but Bevel blew it. All we got outta Pete is BS. They need to say, Sorry, we screwed up, it'll never happen again.
As fans however, Sista is right you can beat it death. The best corner in the league is going to have Tommy Johns surgery; the best SS in the league, knee surgery; the best FS in the League, shoulder surgery. OBWay Lane, and Avril, go out, they played their guts out, and IF normal, not just good but just normal, we win. Its a hard one to get over, but we have to find a way.

[Anthony]

Your taking our 5-11 qb, one of, if not the best Play action qb's in the league, and having only one option, that is to do what he is weakest at: throwing the ball over the middle. Sorry, Pete has made some great calls, but Bevel blew it. All we got outta Pete is BS. They need to say, Sorry, we screwed up, it'll never happen again.
As fans however, Sista is right you can beat it death. The best corner in the league is going to have Tommy Johns surgery; the best SS in the league, knee surgery; the best FS in the League, shoulder surgery. OBWay Lane, and Avril, go out, they played their guts out, and IF normal, not just good but just normal, we win. Its a hard one to get over, but we have to find a way.

It has little to do with what he does best or weakest at, his completion % over the middle is actually very good. To me it is more about the fact they tied his hands. They gave him a one read, quick hitting timing pattern, and worse to a Wr that is our #4 and would probably not even be a #6 on any other team, and who had only 15 targets all season. What should have happen was a run, or a Read Option, or something allowing Wilson to throw, scramble or run. Not something that takes away his options.

[RiverDog]

Find me a link because I heard Milan lay the blame firmly on the play call, and said Wilson through it to the right spot fyi so did Huard. So no link I do not buy it. Not to mention for every person you find who places blame on Wilson I can fund 2 who do not. Proves little other than you love making sure Wilson gets blamed, just to be straight the only reason I am taking such as stance here is because you always go out of your way to not only make sure Wilson gets blamed but over ensure it. If you just said it once and let it go I probably would be okay with it, and maybe even agree to like a 1% . But you take great pleasure in ensuring everyone knows on anything that has to do with the Hawks if it goes wrong Wilson has blame. it is really pathetic.

http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2 ... 03xml.html

The first sentence below the header reads as follows: "Pete Carroll called for a pass instead of a run, and Russell Wilson misplaced the ball". But you will have to page down to the part where he discusses Wilson's decisions to find the quotes I used. Hope that helps with your understanding.

And I remind you, your argument has been that Wilson was completely blameless, is as pure as the wind driven snow, 0% responsible, should not have apologized at all, and given the same play to do over again he should make exactly the same decision.

All I am saying that he deserves some of the blame, an undefined percentage somewhat less than 50%. If you for once would take off those blinders of yours that is preventing you from seeing the larger picture and see what the vast majority of the football world has no problem seeing, then I'll quit highlighting Wilson's mistakes for you. You are very stubborn, will not admit when you are even the slightest bit wrong, hence my constant drum beating.

[monkey]

You are very stubborn, will not admit when you are even the slightest bit wrong, hence my constant drum beating.

Riv, pot/kettle.
Also, I don't think that's why you INSIST on blaming Wilson for everything that goes wrong every single time. You're literally the first one here pointing the finger at him, even when he's barely involved. And you do it ad nauseum. That's the problem.
Anthony is a blind homer/defender of Wilson, that's true, but what you come across as being is a hater.
I can live with Anthony defending him even when he probably shouldn't, what I cannot understand is why you attack him when he's not really the one to blame.

[RiverDog]

Also, I don't think that's why you INSIST on blaming Wilson for everything that goes wrong every single time. You're literally the first one here pointing the finger at him, even when he's barely involved. And you do it ad nauseum. That's the problem.
Anthony is a blind homer/defender of Wilson, that's true, but what you come across as being is a hater.
I can live with Anthony defending him even when he probably shouldn't, what I cannot understand is why you attack him when he's not to blame.

Please judge me on the whole, not on those times where I have squared off against, in your words, a blind homer. I've repeatedly defended Wilson in other threads and other forums, repeatedly said that he's my favorite player since Largent, that he's the best quarterback in our franchise history, the perfect quarterback for our team, that resigning him is our top priority. I don't see how that makes me a hater in anyone's mind.

If that blind homer will kindly come down off his high horse, I'll gladly quit beating the drum.

[Agent 86]

I think he stays too, though I'm not sure how he regains the trust of some of those players in the locker room, and I kind of doubt no matter how good he does in the coming years in Seattle, fans will always harbor a hidden ( and depending on how "cute" he gets in some games not so hidden) resentment for him for a long, long time.

I wasn't saying no one holds culpability, I was saying NONE of them should have been put in that situation to begin with, the Seahawks deviated from there identitiy in that moment, which IMHO is about as stupid as you can get. I haven't said Wilson, Lockette or Carroll deserve no share of blame, whether in terms of execution ( and lets not forget Kearse in this instance either as he was indeed suppose to run interference for Lockette) or willingly going along with that abortion of a playcall, that said, ultimately it WAS Bevells call, and IMHO None of them should have been IN that situation to begin with..

I could have handled losing doing what ANY of the players on the field do best, but that is NOT what was called, or run, and that, I'm not entirely sure I'll ever be able to put away.

Agree with everything there HCR, especially the first point. That play call will follow him around forever.

[RiverDog]

I think he stays too, though I'm not sure how he regains the trust of some of those players in the locker room, and I kind of doubt no matter how good he does in the coming years in Seattle, fans will always harbor a hidden ( and depending on how "cute" he gets in some games not so hidden) resentment for him for a long, long time.

I wasn't saying no one holds culpability, I was saying NONE of them should have been put in that situation to begin with, the Seahawks deviated from there identitiy in that moment, which IMHO is about as stupid as you can get. I haven't said Wilson, Lockette or Carroll deserve no share of blame, whether in terms of execution ( and lets not forget Kearse in this instance either as he was indeed suppose to run interference for Lockette) or willingly going along with that abortion of a playcall, that said, ultimately it WAS Bevells call, and IMHO None of them should have been IN that situation to begin with..

I could have handled losing doing what ANY of the players on the field do best, but that is NOT what was called, or run, and that, I'm not entirely sure I'll ever be able to put away.

Yea, getting the player's trust back is going to be tough. I don't know which is worse, letting Bevell go and start the next season with two new coordinators and a fresh start or keeping him and stay what has been a very successful course. We don't really need to change anything, even on offense. Just tweak it a bit, upgrade a position here and there. We didn't win 12 regular season games, two playoff games, and come within a yard of our second straight Lombardi with mirrors. Even without any improvements or upgrades, this is a very formidable team.

There's lots of rumors, conspiracy theories, and all sorts of garbage flying around on the internet, that Pete did not want Lynch scoring the winning touchdown and instead, wanted Russell to be the star, that he succumbed to the league's desire not to see Lynch on the MVP stand. Rumor is that Beast isn't coming back if Bevell stays, and Pete has said that Bevell isn't going anywhere. It's not unlike the stuff we had to endure in the Percy Harvin debacle. Pete is going to have to pick up the pieces and earn back that trust that was severely tested. I'm not sure that is possible with Bevell still in the fold.

[HumanCockroach]

I don't buy that PC cared if Wilson was the "star" nor do I in any way shape or form believe that Wilson was chomping on the bit ( not to say he was shying away from it, but he wants to win in all situations greater than he wants the spotlight, and is smart enough to know there is plenty of accolades to spread around), if there was any person I could believe wanted it to be about Wilson, and more importantly, his system, it is indeed Bevell. I still doubt that, but IMO the play called that removed the beast from the equation, and then also removed Wilsons ability to create, and then also removed the best receiving options available, was in some way Bevell on some level attempting to insert how great his system is.

I don't think he was attempting to make Wilson a star, but, I wouldn't find it impossible to believe he was attempting to make himself the star. After watching him throw Lockette under the bus, I have little trouble believing he would have been deflecting praise after had that moronic play worked. Do you?

I really could see him putting himself before the team in that instance, and while that may just be perception on my part, with no substenance, it is the opinion I get. Especially with the grudge he seems to hold against Lynch.

[Futureite]

Wow. Reading through these is unbelievable.

Our QB throws a pick on a ball that is tipped on a route every ex QB in the world said was the correct read and he's a choker, an idiot and he can't read a D. And the throw is one the staff has CLERLY coached him to make under that coverage, and has been made over and over again in prior games. Right read bad throw as I said here over and over again.

Your QB throws a pick where the guy who picked it said he knew where the QB was going the entire time and jumped the route, on a ball that was high and outside and a 1/10th of a second late (discussed ad nauseum on SD radio yesterday)and it's all on the staff? What the eff?

The QB is the one that threw the ball in both cases. Both cases were timing routes where the QB is expecting something to happen that didn't. The QB in each case made the right read but a subpar throw. Assigning blame to a coaching staff is asenine. They didn't throw the ball out there.

Do you know how many times I've read on this board that Russell Wilson would have won the SB in 2012 if he had the ball where Kap did at the end of the game? Welp, guess we won't hear that again. I am not at all surprised that I am readung this complete hypocritical bullshit. And a lot of you call me a "troll".

Your QB can throw 4 picks and 0 tds in a champ game and have his team take the lead on an onsides kick and 24 yd td run from the best RB in the game. Ours throws 2 picks and fumbles with zero support from his STs and 16 yds from his RB and I'm a homer for suggesting he'd have won with the same support.

The bottom line is that you put the ball in your star QB's hands and you live with the results. It's not about "blaming" anyone. These things don't always turn out how you like, but if you trust your QB that play is fine 100 times out of 100.

[mykc14]

I really don't see how anybody could look at that play and not find some fault in Wilson's throw. IMO there is no way he could have seen bulter's break on the ball as he threw it when Bulter was still behind Browner. There is also no doubt that Lockette was slower to the spot than he should have been, either because of the way he ran his route or because Browner was able to get a piece of him. There is also no doubt that Kearse was supposed to push Browner back farther, to force Bulter to take a longer route to the spot. Finally, there is little doubt that RW's pass should have been more into Lockette's body. Even if the pay is ran perfectly the ball is a little high and a little infront of Lockette, not a terrible throw but *could* have been placed a little better, like RW said a few (maybe 10-12) inches off. If the play is ran perfectly on all other areas those inches probably don't matter and it is still a TD. At the same time it does nothing to RW's legacy to admit that the throw was a little off. Brady was a few inches off on some of his throws in the SB. Rodgers was a few inches off on some of his throws in the NFCCG.

[NorthHawk]

There's enough blame to go around.
Bad call, not the right receiver for that play, and it required an absolutely perfect throw given the prior two considerations.
They didn't get it done. That's the bottom line.

[The POPE]

I would like to have seen Cables reaction. U can bet he wanted to pound it in. Surprised he didn't go Oak Town and beat some OC ass after that game. Maybe they can set up one of those celebrity boxing matches to settle this. My money is on Cable.

[RiverDog]

I really don't see how anybody could look at that play and not find some fault in Wilson's throw. IMO there is no way he could have seen bulter's break on the ball as he threw it when Bulter was still behind Browner. There is also no doubt that Lockette was slower to the spot than he should have been, either because of the way he ran his route or because Browner was able to get a piece of him. There is also no doubt that Kearse was supposed to push Browner back farther, to force Bulter to take a longer route to the spot. Finally, there is little doubt that RW's pass should have been more into Lockette's body. Even if the pay is ran perfectly the ball is a little high and a little infront of Lockette, not a terrible throw but *could* have been placed a little better, like RW said a few (maybe 10-12) inches off. If the play is ran perfectly on all other areas those inches probably don't matter and it is still a TD. At the same time it does nothing to RW's legacy to admit that the throw was a little off. Brady was a few inches off on some of his throws in the SB. Rodgers was a few inches off on some of his throws in the NFCCG.

Go back and take a look at the still shot posted above that shows the play at the point of Russell's release. Granted that it isn't the perfect angle to make a definitive judgment, but it sure looks to me that Butler is in plain view of the quarterback and is obviously accelerating towards the target area. I agree with the rest of your analysis, though.

But yea, lots of blame to go around on that play. We'll be arguing about it for years.

[mykc14]

Go back and take a look at the still shot posted above that shows the play at the point of Russell's release. Granted that it isn't the perfect angle to make a definitive judgment, but it sure looks to me that Butler is in plain view of the quarterback and is obviously accelerating towards the target area. I agree with the rest of your analysis, though.

But yea, lots of blame to go around on that play. We'll be arguing about it for years.

Yeah, at the point the ball is released he is visible, but there is no way RW can change anything at that point, take it back to midway through his windup and it might look a little different. Either way it would be hard to say whether he could see him and adjust that throw in time.

[RiverDog]

Your QB throws a pick where the guy who picked it said he knew where the QB was going the entire time and jumped the route, on a ball that was high and outside and a 1/10th of a second late (discussed ad nauseum on SD radio yesterday)and it's all on the staff? What the eff?

What are you talking about? With one exception, everyone in this forum has said that it's more than just the failure of the coaching staff that led to the play's failure.

[RiverDog]

Yeah, at the point the ball is released he is visible, but there is no way RW can change anything at that point, take it back to midway through his windup and it might look a little different. Either way it would be hard to say whether he could see him and adjust that throw in time.

Agreed. We probably needed to rewind it a few frames to where Russell was at a point in his throwing motion where he could have changed his mind, although IMO it still would show that he should have seen Butler breaking on the target area. I don't think Butler is going to take more than one half step in the time it would take between Russell's "point of no return" and his release point shown in the picture. That ain't no Tim Tebow wind up. The ball comes out lightning quick.

[Anthony]

http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2 ... 03xml.html

The first sentence below the header reads as follows: "Pete Carroll called for a pass instead of a run, and Russell Wilson misplaced the ball". But you will have to page down to the part where he discusses Wilson's decisions to find the quotes I used. Hope that helps with your understanding.

And I remind you, your argument has been that Wilson was completely blameless, is as pure as the wind driven snow, 0% responsible, should not have apologized at all, and given the same play to do over again he should make exactly the same decision.

All I am saying that he deserves some of the blame, an undefined percentage somewhat less than 50%. If you for once would take off those blinders of yours that is preventing you from seeing the larger picture and see what the vast majority of the football world has no problem seeing, then I'll quit highlighting Wilson's mistakes for you. You are very stubborn, will not admit when you are even the slightest bit wrong, hence my constant drum beating.

And again I can show plenty were they say the opposite. My point still stands this is more about you almost insane need to make sure whenever anything goes wrong Wilson gets blamed.

[HumanCockroach]

As always RD he isn't interested in the truth, just looking for a "shot" he can take, and so, he took it. Does that surprise you any longer?

[NorthHawk]

RiverDog wrote:
http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2 ... 03xml.html

quote: The first sentence below the header reads as follows: "Pete Carroll called for a pass instead of a run, and Russell Wilson misplaced the ball". But you will have to page down to the part where he discusses Wilson's decisions to find the quotes I used. Hope that helps with your understanding.

And I remind you, your argument has been that Wilson was completely blameless, is as pure as the wind driven snow, 0% responsible, should not have apologized at all, and given the same play to do over again he should make exactly the same decision.

All I am saying that he deserves some of the blame, an undefined percentage somewhat less than 50%. If you for once would take off those blinders of yours that is preventing you from seeing the larger picture and see what the vast majority of the football world has no problem seeing, then I'll quit highlighting Wilson's mistakes for you. You are very stubborn, will not admit when you are even the slightest bit wrong, hence my constant drum beating.

And again I can show plenty were they say the opposite. My point still stands this is more about you almost insane need to make sure whenever anything goes wrong Wilson gets blamed.
unquote

I think you should look in the mirror a little, Anthony.
Anytime someone says anything the least bit negative about Wilson you come flying in waving stats in the air and trying to counter any observation.
It's almost like a wife defending her husband in its obsession.

RD can defend himself pretty well and may have a negative bias, but we all approach and view things in life differently and you aren't exactly balanced in your bias, either.

[Anthony]

RiverDog wrote:
http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2 ... 03xml.html

quote: The first sentence below the header reads as follows: "Pete Carroll called for a pass instead of a run, and Russell Wilson misplaced the ball". But you will have to page down to the part where he discusses Wilson's decisions to find the quotes I used. Hope that helps with your understanding.

And I remind you, your argument has been that Wilson was completely blameless, is as pure as the wind driven snow, 0% responsible, should not have apologized at all, and given the same play to do over again he should make exactly the same decision.

All I am saying that he deserves some of the blame, an undefined percentage somewhat less than 50%. If you for once would take off those blinders of yours that is preventing you from seeing the larger picture and see what the vast majority of the football world has no problem seeing, then I'll quit highlighting Wilson's mistakes for you. You are very stubborn, will not admit when you are even the slightest bit wrong, hence my constant drum beating.

And again I can show plenty were they say the opposite. My point still stands this is more about you almost insane need to make sure whenever anything goes wrong Wilson gets blamed.
unquote

I think you should look in the mirror a little, Anthony.
Anytime someone says anything the least bit negative about Wilson you come flying in waving stats in the air and trying to counter any observation.
It's almost like a wife defending her husband in its obsession.

RD can defend himself pretty well and may have a negative bias, but we all approach and view things in life differently and you aren't exactly balanced in your bias, either.

And yet in the NFCCG I said Wilson threw 2 horrible passes that should not have been thrown. When he makes a mistake I say it, When anything goes wrong RD makes sure to lay blame at Wilsons feet and keeps reminding everyone about it. So I need no mirror, at all. RD needs to get over his issues.

[Anthony]

As always RD he isn't interested in the truth, just looking for a "shot" he can take, and so, he took it. Does that surprise you any longer?

To whom are you talking?

[Hawktawk]

The biggest reason for the pick after the play call is the rook who made it. He was running at the snap and guessed perfectly where the throw would be. He came from 8 yards deep in the end zone on a play that took a little over a second to develop.
Maybe Russ should have seen him. I don't know but that kid made a phenomenal play and I have to tip my hat. If he hesitates for a blink its TD Hawks thanks for coming.
Hawks got beat fair and square. I'm not going to go into a Aaron Rodgers pity party. If we were the best team Sunday we would have the hardware to show it.
Come on Draft, Free Agency, and 2015 season. I'm impatient already. GO HAWKS!!!!

[Hawk Sista]

^^^^ wow..............a reasonable post. Thank you!

[NorthHawk]

He made a great play, no question but he should never been in that position to have that opportunity.

[HumanCockroach]

My post was to Road dog and it was in reference to a certain poster that takes shots and ignores what is posted to be able to do so..

[Anthony]

My post was to Road dog and it was in reference to a certain poster that takes shots and ignores what is posted to be able to do so..

Ahh got it thanks

[RiverDog]

And again I can show plenty were they say the opposite. My point still stands this is more about you almost insane need to make sure whenever anything goes wrong Wilson gets blamed.

Show me one that says Wilson is COMPLETELY innocent as you are claiming. Everything I've read cites, among other factors (the play call, Kearse's actions, Lockette's route/not fighting for the ball), either a pass that was off target and/or that Wilson should have seen Butler breaking on the ball and not thrown it.

[monkey]

Please judge me on the whole, not on those times where I have squared off against, in your words, a blind homer.

Fair enough, I will.

Just keep in mind that before Anthony said anything about what went wrong, you were already discussing with (I think it was Human Cockroach) about Wilson being partly to blame'.
Not that you're wrong, you're not wrong, he IS partly to blame.
He should have NEVER been put into that position though. Nothing about that call was right, nothing.
I would be far more willing to assign blame to Wilson if he'd badly misread the receiver, or if he'd badly over or under thrown the receiver, or if he had tried to improvise and missed an open guy (Lynch was WIDE open BTW!) or...etc...
If he'd been asked to do what he's actually good at, if the team hadn't COMPLETELY gone away from their strength, from what they do, if the team hadn't abandoned their entire identity on the freaking goal line, and had asked Wilson to make the kind of play that he does so well, and then he'd failed...then I'd be more willing to assign blame to him.
When he's set up to fail like that though...

[HumanCockroach]

That is really my WHOLE issue Monkey, I cannot justify in my own mind the need for the Seahawks on that play to absolutely abandon the strengths of the players on the field, and will likely NEVER be able to, whether they win the next 10 SB's in a row. It is one that "got away" but IMHO if it had "got away" with Seattle playing TO their strengths as opposed to COMPLETELY ABANDONING them, I wouldn't have had an issue. IF Seattle were the Patriots, or even Indy, Philly etc, I would have understood ( well at least the desire to throw a timing route, though even the pass happy Pats on the goal line did NOT throw to the middle of the field, did they? No they went to the sideline) I could indeed understand a timing route there at the goal line against Seattles goal line package, but those are NOT the type of offense, or team Seattle PRIDES itself on being.

I cannot count the amount of times I have heard from the players, coaches, media and fans that Seattle does NOT deviate from their identity no matter WHAT situation presents itself ( and there is an INSANE amount of data to back that up, and you do NOT have to go very far back to find it, especially since Seattle was STILL effectively running the ball at the end of the Packer game, when by all rights they should have been winging it around the field). Yet in this ONE moment, they most certainly DID JUST THAT.