Injury Buggin'

[Hawk Sista]

It's no secret that we are using players that we picked up mid week and could have actually used some more Sunday. We are pretty banged up and getting players back is key.

I've taken it upon myself to start a thread re: injuries and we can all post updates as we hear/read about them.

Feel free to edit what you see below if you know something I don't.

On IR for Year:
D. Coleman
Antony McCoy
Cassius Marsh
Jesse Williams
D'Anthony Smith
Heath Farwell

On IR - designated for return
Jeremy Lane - WILL RETURN VS GIANTS

Injured, varying degrees
Max Unger - WILL RETURN VS GIANTS
Russell Okung - has a chance this week
Zach Miller - still a few weeks away
James Carpenter - who knows?
Stephen Schilling - day to day, should be available
Bobby Wagner - still a few weeks away
Malcom Smith - not sure
Byron Maxwell - has a chance this week
Kam Chancellor - has a chance this week
Tharold Simon - WILL RETURN VS GIANTS
Jeron Johnson - WILL RETURN VS GIANTS

[Hawktawk]

Its really bad Sis. Id call it a good excuse for losing but I still remember the year the pats had so many injuries they converted a reciever to a DB mid season and still won the SB. Really Seattle sort of did it last year with all the injuries they had but this is getting ridiculous.

[Anthony]

Its really bad Sis. Id call it a good excuse for losing but I still remember the year the pats had so many injuries they converted a reciever to a DB mid season and still won the SB. Really Seattle sort of did it last year with all the injuries they had but this is getting ridiculous.

Agreed but our margin for error on offense is not that big, we cannot constantly rely on Rw to perform magic, he is getting beat up and tired.

[Agent 86]

Good thread Sis. So many injuries right now, it's hard to keep track of, so this will be my daily update.

Does anyone know the rule about the "IR designated to return'?....is this a one time thing only, or can you use it on multiple players?

[depaashaas]

Good thread Sis. So many injuries right now, it's hard to keep track of, so this will be my daily update.

Does anyone know the rule about the "IR designated to return'?....is this a one time thing only, or can you use it on multiple players?

Yep you can only do this once, as a team you can decide to safe it for more impact player later in season but once you use it you can't transfer it to other player and put first player on IR for rest of season

[Agent 86]

Yep you can only do this once, as a team you can decide to safe it for more impact player later in season but once you use it you can't transfer it to other player and put first player on IR for rest of season

Cool...thanks for the info Dep....good for Lane, he must feel good that the team used it on him...he is a big part of our special teams and obviously got an increased role this year with Thurmond leaving....

[Hawk Sista]

Hey, let's be clear., this is not an excuse thread. This is a who is in and who is out thread.

I heard Pete say 6 or 7 players could be back. I guess we will need to wait & see as this point last week we didn't know that Okung & Kam would be out.

As a point of order...Should I update the original post as info comes in w/ dates??

[Zorn76]

Just Unger alone will be helpful.

Okung needs to step it up when he returns.

[jshawaii22]

Pretty sure Simon and Shilling both played last week. I saw Shillings name after Carp got hurt I think he played hurt, but played center and the replacement Center #3, moved over to Guard.

js

[HumanCockroach]

Actually Schilling is replacement #3, and #4 center moved to guard ( Jean Pierre was #2)..

[Hawk Sista]

Schilling did come in for a few plays, but was listed on the injury list as questionable. Simon was listed as probable. I included them in the master list because they were injured, not necessarily because they missed time.

The list is organic. It'll move, hopefully in our favor. This is the latest I've read. Sorry, it's my Seahawks app, so no link.

All-Pro strong safety Kam Chancellor (groin), Pro Bowl center Max Unger (foot), cornerback Jeremy Lane (groin) , backup safety Jeron Johnson (concussion) and defensive tackle Jordan Hill (ankle) have a chance to return against the Giants.

Lane has been on injured reserve with a designation to return since going out in the season opener, and this is the week he is eligible to make that return. Unger has not played in the past four games, Hill has missed the past three games and Chancellor and Johnson did not play against the Raiders.

STAT DU JOUR: TELL ME WHERE IT HURTS
The Seahawks played Sunday's game against the Raiders without six injured starters – center Max Unger, left tackle Russell Okung and tight end Zach Miller on offense; middle linebacker Bobby Wagner, strong safety Kam Chancellor and cornerback Byron Maxwell on defense. And the number grows to seven when you add nickel back Jeremy Lane. Here's a look at how many games starters have missed in the first half of this season compared to the first four complete seasons under coach Pete Carroll:

Season Games missed
2010 59
2011 53
2012 27
2013 43
2014 27

“It depends on how good fortune we have, but we'll have five guys back likely that weren't ready for us this week,” Carroll said. “And we could have eight. It's amazing that it could be like that, but we're on the verge of getting some guys back.”

Where the Seahawks really could use some reinforcements is on the offensive line, where left tackle Russell Okung missed Sunday's game because of calf injury; Stephen Schilling, Unger's backup, was not expected to play because of a knee injury but had to finish Sunday's game; and left guard James Carpenter left the game with a sprained ankle.

Carroll said Okung feels like he's ready to play, adding, “So we'll see what happens.” He had nothing new to report on Carpenter.

Linebacker Malcolm Smith (groin) possibly could return. Not expected back this week are middle linebacker Bobby Wagner and tight end Zach Miller, who have missed three and five games, respectively, with toe and ankle injuries. There was no update on cornerback Byron Maxwell, who has missed the past three games with a calf injury.

[Seahawks4Ever]

Jeremy Lane was the player who had the IR designated to return and return he will for the Giants game. He actually has been practicing with the team for several weeks and has only been waiting until the official date that he could return and that date has arrived. Having Lane back will help the ST a whole lot.

[Distant Relative]

Looks like we are starting to get some starters back.

http://www.seahawks.com/videos-photos/v ... 621716b986

[burrrton]

Now *Burley's* questionable??

Jeezus, it's getting so that I dread even bringing up Seahawks news anymore.

[savvyman]

Now Schilling is out for the remainder of the season.

http://espn.go.com/blog/seattle-seahawks/post/_/id/9882/jeremy-lane-activated-stephen-schilling-placed-on-ir

[Agent 86]

On IR for Year:
D. Coleman
Antony McCoy
Cassius Marsh
Jesse Williams
D'Anthony Smith
Heath Farwell

On IR - designated for return
Jeremy Lane - WILL RETURN VS GIANTS

Injured, varying degrees
Max Unger - WILL RETURN VS GIANTS
Russell Okung - has a chance this week
Zach Miller - still a few weeks away
James Carpenter - who knows?
Stephen Schilling - day to day, should be available
Bobby Wagner - still a few weeks away
Malcom Smith - not sure
Byron Maxwell - has a chance this week
Kam Chancellor - has a chance this week
Tharold Simon - WILL RETURN VS GIANTS
Jeron Johnson - WILL RETURN VS GIANTS

OUT:

Wagner
Miller


Doubtful:

Carpenter
Chancellor
Smith


Questionable:

Maxwell
Burley


Probable:

Baldwin
Lynch
Okung
Unger
Bennett
Hill
Johnson
Schofield


Schilling - placed on IR

Lane - activated to roster and will play

[Hawk Sista]

Does anyone know the latest on Mebane and Willson (TE)

[c_hawkbob]

Mebane's got a pulled hammy, he's out for a while.

[Hawk Sista]

I just heard Pete's interview.

[c_hawkbob]

Whish I could say I think we'll be fine, but having lost Clem and Red we're thin on the D-line even when healthy. This might hurt a bit.

[NorthHawk]

Combined with Wagner hurt and we're suddenly weak up the middle.

[Seahawks4Ever]

I had hoped the Wagner would be back by now, but so far I have not heard anything about his ETA.

Zack Miller? He was just supposed to have "clean up" surgery and not miss much time, about 4 games but he has been out almost the entire season so far. What is this B.S. lately with players waiting until either TC or the start of the regular season and then decide they need a bit of clean up surgery before they can play another down??? I mean, why couldn't Zack have taken care of that in the off season like back in March or April? I know that he usually is a "gamer" but he has NOT earned his contract this year for sure. maybe this is his way of paying the team back for low balling him??

Hey Pete! I want to know, heck Russell Wilson wants to know, WHEN IS ZACK COMING BACK???

[burrrton]

Whish I could say I think we'll be fine, but having lost Clem and Red we're thin on the D-line even when healthy. This might hurt a bit.

I'm afraid so, too, and at arguably the worst point in the season for that (3 games in 12 days starting Sunday).

[obiken]

Mebane has a torn hammy he is out for the year. Source Jerry Brewer KJR.

[mykc14]

Mebane has a torn hammy he is out for the year. Source Jerry Brewer KJR.

Just saw the same thing. Huge loss injuries are really starting to pile up. There is no way we will be able to replace him.

[Hawk Sista]

I was thinking it was bad if Pete admitted it. We were all acknowledging Mebane for his stellar year and blam. Well, heck.

Hopefully Hill gets beasty. I thought he played well on Sunday.

[obiken]

No doubt HS, the good news is that the 9ers and Cards are as bad as we are.

[NorthHawk]

Kevin Williams will supposedly take Mebane's place. At least he has a lot of experience if not something left in the tank.

[Hawk Sista]

I thought I heard Pete say they'd use a combo of McDaniel, Williams, & Hill to replace 'Bane.

[burrrton]

No doubt HS, the good news is that the 9ers and Cards are as bad as we are.

Correct me if I'm wrong, because I haven't pored over the injury situations for everyone, but while I have no trouble believing the raw injury #s are similar, has everyone really lost as many Pro-Bowl/All-Pro/Pro-Bowl-Caliber players, and their backups at the same positions, as we have?

We've lost (add to or correct as needed):

1. Maxwell, Maxwell's backup, Maxwell's backup's backup
2. Unger, Unger's backup, Unger's backup's backup
3. Okung for periods
4. Wagner
5. Mebane
6. Miller, Miller's backup (Willson)
7. Our Fullback
8. Carpenter, Carpenter's backup (Bailey)
9. Kam
10. Smith

Have I missed anyone, or misstated anything? That's a murderer's row of lost players, and I guess my point is that it's not so much how many games are lost, but who you lose.

It means we didn't just lose a player or two on the line- it means we were starting ball boys at times and defensive lineman came through repeatedly *literally* untouched. We were only just barely good enough to get by as it was.

It means we didn't just have to go without a key defensive players- it means our strengths on D have essentially been gutted.

Maybe I'm wrong.

[NorthHawk]

I thought I heard Pete say they'd use a combo of McDaniel, Williams, & Hill to replace 'Bane.

Aren't they all part of a rotation? I read Williams would fill Mebane's spot in the rotation.
I guess we'll have to wait and see what they actually do.

[mykc14]

We might be missing more from injuries but they have lost some significant pieces. Off the top of my head significant players the Cards have lost Palmer and Dockett to injuries as well as Washington to a suspension. I am sure there are other guys as well but I don't know off the top of my head.

Niners have been missing Bowman, Willis (out for year now), Kilgore, Dorsey and A Smith (Suspension) have all been out a significant amount of time. Davis, Iupati, and Boone (hold out) have all missed multiple games. I am sure I am missing some here but this is just off the top of my head.

[RiverDog]

Looking at the D line rotation, Bennett and Avril are being overworked, as was Mebane before his injury. There is much room for others to play more.

Against NY, there were 68 defensive snaps, Bennett played 58 snaps, Avril played 53. Hill, 39; Schofield, 31; Kevin Williams, 16; Dobbs, 15; and McDaniel, 14. Mebane had 15 snaps. Williams and McDaniel could double their snaps and still not be overworked.

Jimmy Staten was a 5th round pick for us this Spring and is on the practice squad, so he is familiar with the system, and remains an option. He is a big boy, as well.

The problem isn't losing Mebane so much as it occurs with Wagner already out. Kansas City features a pretty fair running attack and weather conditions in KC looks like it might discourage a lot of passing, so it won't take long for us to see just how well we can adjust. I've always felt that our defense is organic and can heal thyself, but going into this KC game minus our two best run stoppers is going to require a player or two to rise to the occasion and pick up the slack.

[Seahawks4Ever]

Losing Mebane is a killer, but no one in the league or division is going to cry for us as both Arizona (Palmer) and SF (Willis) also lose key players this last week. Losing Mebane though could be catastrophic for us as he was the only real NT on the whole team. Ironically, we drafted a guy in the 4th. round a few years ago that could have stepped in for him but he was cut because there wasn't enough room on the roster at the time. That guy's name is Jaye Howard who now is a starter on the K.C. D-Line. He could have been another of those 4th. through 7th. round great picks that John and Pete have become famous for but they picked experience over youth when they decided to let him go, now we pay.

I hate to keep beating a dead horse but since the horse is dead and can't feel anything I will. Lack of depth on the D-Line is yet another manifestation of how much the mistake of trading for Percy Harvin has cost this franchise. In fact, it just very well may have cost our team a chance at repeating this season. Between the lost draft picks and the money spent for so little return has been devastating. The money wasted on Harvin could have been used to resign Clinton McDonald or Golden Tate or maybe both. Maybe we could have kept a Red Bryant and moved him inside when Mebane gets hurt? Or, maybe we could have used one of the 3 picks we gave to Minnesota for Pussy Harvin to draft a young run stopping NT. We will never know, but the PH mistake was a very very bad one and ANYBODY who is still clinging to the fantasy that it was "good on paper" or the "right" thing to do at the time is in my mind just trying to rationalize a mistake that continues to hurt us.

John and Pete were able to resign Sherman and E.T and others last off season that was great, but I think they could have done even better than that and STILL had enough money to resign Russell, Wagner, Irvin, and other guys if they had not gone down the Harvin road which turned out to be a dead end. John and Pete took care of the LOB but everyone knew that the key to the success of the LOB started with the front 7 and that great rotation they had, they NEVER should have broke the band up Yoko.

[Hawk Sista]

I understand playing the what if game, & why with this player - it is more warranted than most times we do it as Percy is, well.....Percy. Play the what if game the other way and pretend Pete reached him and he was productive. It really could have made us über special.

Hindsight is 20/20 & it's clear we'd be better off w/ McDonald & Tate + the picks at this point. It's really easy to manage a team from the couch & let's not forget we won the super bowl.

[NorthHawk]

Losing Mebane is a killer, but no one in the league or division is going to cry for us as both Arizona (Palmer) and SF (Willis) also lose key players this last week. Losing Mebane though could be catastrophic for us as he was the only real NT on the whole team. Ironically, we drafted a guy in the 4th. round a few years ago that could have stepped in for him but he was cut because there wasn't enough room on the roster at the time. That guy's name is Jaye Howard who now is a starter on the K.C. D-Line. He could have been another of those 4th. through 7th. round great picks that John and Pete have become famous for but they picked experience over youth when they decided to let him go, now we pay.

I hate to keep beating a dead horse but since the horse is dead and can't feel anything I will. Lack of depth on the D-Line is yet another manifestation of how much the mistake of trading for Percy Harvin has cost this franchise. In fact, it just very well may have cost our team a chance at repeating this season. Between the lost draft picks and the money spent for so little return has been devastating. The money wasted on Harvin could have been used to resign Clinton McDonald or Golden Tate or maybe both. Maybe we could have kept a Red Bryant and moved him inside when Mebane gets hurt? Or, maybe we could have used one of the 3 picks we gave to Minnesota for Pussy Harvin to draft a young run stopping NT. We will never know, but the PH mistake was a very very bad one and ANYBODY who is still clinging to the fantasy that it was "good on paper" or the "right" thing to do at the time is in my mind just trying to rationalize a mistake that continues to hurt us.

John and Pete were able to resign Sherman and E.T and others last off season that was great, but I think they could have done even better than that and STILL had enough money to resign Russell, Wagner, Irvin, and other guys if they had not gone down the Harvin road which turned out to be a dead end. John and Pete took care of the LOB but everyone knew that the key to the success of the LOB started with the front 7 and that great rotation they had, they NEVER should have broke the band up Yoko.

Mebane has been playing great these last few years and it's difficult to think anyone other than the top few NTs in the league could fill in.
That being said, Kevin Williams has been a plug in a DL for his entire career. It's a matter of if he has 6 - 10 games left in the tank to finish the year.

[Hawk Sista]

Aren't they all part of a rotation? I read Williams would fill Mebane's spot in the rotation.
I guess we'll have to wait and see what they actually do.

Yes! It is indeed a rotation. They will continue with the rotation and the responsibility of plugging that big MEBANE sized gap will fall to those three dudes. Kevin Williams has the most experience and I think most people are assuming that he will be the main dude. What I was attempting to say was that I like Hill, and I hope he turns it up a notch here and makes a name for himself. I liked what I saw of him last week. Jam Charles and the Chiefs at home will be a BIG test.

[Hawk Sista]

Zach Miller out for the year. On I freakin R! Damn - losing Brandon and Zach for the year really hurts. Listening to Pete's Wednesday presser now.

[burrrton]

Am I the only one that wants to climb on a rooftop and yell "ARE YOU F*CKING KIDDING ME?!?"

Is there something in the dmn water that's making every player we have as brittle as porcelain?

Been a frustrating day and this was one of the last things I felt like reading tonight.

[Zorn76]

Lots of teams have been hit hard this year.
AZ no longer has their QB, and Patrick Willis is now out for the year as well in SF.

The Seahawks can rally, IMO.
This game would be Huge to win Sunday. Gotta make up for the blunder in Stl.

I'm calling it Seahawks, 20-16.