Harvin hurt again?

[Hawktawk]

Just heard a report that Harvin hobbled off the field this morning and was being looked at by the training staff. Anyone have any more info? This would not be good.....

[NorthHawk]

I also heard he jogged back on to complete the practice.
I hope it's as minor as it sounds.

[c_hawkbob]

He got flat tire'd (back of his heel stepped on), no biggie.

[Distant Relative]

He got flat tire'd (back of his heel stepped on), no biggie.

Most guys would have walked it off. Not a matter of if but when with PH IMO.

[RiverDog]

He got flat tire'd (back of his heel stepped on), no biggie.

Most guys would have walked it off. Not a matter of if but when with PH IMO.

At this point in the season? Faking injuries is pretty common in August. It's almost as bad as watching soccer games.

[HumanCockroach]

Come on D.R. give it a chance man, just give it a chance.... He might be hurt, hell, I don't know, just know when he isn't hurt, he changes the entire complexion of that offense.

[briwas101]

Come on D.R. give it a chance man, just give it a chance.... He might be hurt, hell, I don't know, just know when he isn't hurt, he changes the entire complexion of that offense.

He does? He was mediocre in every game but the superbowl.

When he's "healthy" he still isn't as good as Baldwin or Tate who's no longer here.

[HumanCockroach]

All that shows is either you have never watched the man play football, or your bias is so incredibly deep that you are incapable of rational thought. The SB WAS Harvin, in a SMALL, VERY small dose, multiply it by 5 and you might be close. The man changes the dynamic of that offense because EVERY time he touches the ball, no matter WHERE on the field he can score, something Tate ( as much as I defended, and appreciated the guy) and Baldwin simply do NOT have the ability to do.

Anyone claiming "mediocre" doesn't really garner any type of consideration about what they are saying, you want to claim the "health" thing, fine, but actual talent? Makes you look silly, biased or slow, nothing more..

[Anthony]

All that shows is either you have never watched the man play football, or your bias is so incredibly deep that you are incapable of rational thought. The SB WAS Harvin, in a SMALL, VERY small dose, multiply it by 5 and you might be close. The man changes the dynamic of that offense because EVERY time he touches the ball, no matter WHERE on the field he can score, something Tate ( as much as I defended, and appreciated the guy) and Baldwin simply do NOT have the ability to do.

Anyone claiming "mediocre" doesn't really garner any type of consideration about what they are saying, you want to claim the "health" thing, fine, but actual talent? Makes you look silly, biased or slow, nothing more..

Agreed add to that he was fine today as it was just a cut from being cleated.

[NorthHawk]

With some teams having problems with Staph infections, it's probably a good move to take care of it early.

[RiverDog]

Come on D.R. give it a chance man, just give it a chance.... He might be hurt, hell, I don't know, just know when he isn't hurt, he changes the entire complexion of that offense.

He does? He was mediocre in every game but the superbowl.

When he's "healthy" he still isn't as good as Baldwin or Tate who's no longer here.

He was pretty good in the few times we saw him against Minnesota. He only touched the ball twice, once on an acrobatic 17 yard gain and another on a 58 yard kickoff return. I don't call that mediocre. He had 3 receptions in 4 targets against the Saints, and took a severe pounding in the process. And as you noted, he had a very good SB. I'm completely satisfied with his efforts when he's healthy and motivated. That's not the problem.

The problem is his remaining 100% healthy and well motivated throughout the ups and downs of a 16 game regular season. We're counting on Harvin for a whole lot this season, and not having Tate makes his full participation that much more critical to our success.

[HumanCockroach]

Agree with RD, his ability isn't in question, his health is another matter. While I don't adhere to the players health is the all encompassing importance of a player, his and others health are key components to competing for another title.

[RiverDog]

Agree with RD, his ability isn't in question, his health is another matter. While I don't adhere to the players health is the all encompassing importance of a player, his and others health are key components to competing for another title.

It's more than just Percy's health that is a concern, it's his motivation. If we go through a tough spell where we lose a couple of games and he doesn't get the number of touches he thinks he should be getting or isn't being used like he thinks he should be, how is he going to handle it? Is he going to chase Coach Carroll up the sidelines to read him the riot act like he did with Leslie Frazier? Or does he pass the test, matures into a team leader and a player our rookie receivers can look up to?

[c_hawkbob]

I don't know that there is any reason to call Percy's motivation into question.

[RiverDog]

I don't know that there is any reason to call Percy's motivation into question.

By motivation, I mean attitude or character, not that he dogs it or "play when I want to play" like a Randy Moss. He has a history of being a malcontent, and thus sufficient reason for concern IMO.

[HumanCockroach]

You know I keep hearing that, and yet, he never seemed to have anyone other than one coach say anything derogatory about him. Seems off to me.

[kalibane]

All that shows is either you have never watched the man play football, or your bias is so incredibly deep that you are incapable of rational thought. The SB WAS Harvin, in a SMALL, VERY small dose, multiply it by 5 and you might be close. The man changes the dynamic of that offense because EVERY time he touches the ball, no matter WHERE on the field he can score, something Tate ( as much as I defended, and appreciated the guy) and Baldwin simply do NOT have the ability to do.

Anyone claiming "mediocre" doesn't really garner any type of consideration about what they are saying, you want to claim the "health" thing, fine, but actual talent? Makes you look silly, biased or slow, nothing more..

Exactly,

Harvin's only issue is his health. Not his effort, not his ability. Nothing. I will keep bringing this up every time someone feels the need to question how good Harvin is. Adrian Peterson had one of the most amazing seasons in NFL history on his way to winning the MVP award in 2012. Halfway through the season he was 2nd in the MVP race behind Harvin.

If that doesn't put into context how absurd it is to say that Baldwin or Tate are better than a healthy Harvin I don't know what will.

[NorthHawk]

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"You know I keep hearing that, and yet, he never seemed to have anyone other than one coach say anything derogatory about him. Seems off to me."

I hadn't heard that much, either except from disgruntled Viking fans.
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Considering PC and JS put such a premium on competitiveness and the psychological aspect, I don't see how those things mesh - unless they think his abilities more than make up for any discontent he might display.

What I have heard is he plays so hard he puts himself in a position to get hurt.
The injuries might cause frustration which could be mistaken for being a malcontent - most of us really don't know him to say.

[Futureite]

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"You know I keep hearing that, and yet, he never seemed to have anyone other than one coach say anything derogatory about him. Seems off to me."

I hadn't heard that much, either except from disgruntled Viking fans.
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Considering PC and JS put such a premium on competitiveness and the psychological aspect, I don't see how those things mesh - unless they think his abilities more than make up for any discontent he might display.

What I have heard is he plays so hard he puts himself in a position to get hurt.
The injuries might cause frustration which could be mistaken for being a malcontent - most of us really don't know him to say.

Ok, not to cause an argument or suggest he will be a problem, but he does have a well documented history of conflicts with every football team that he has played for dating back to college. In fact, I listened to the Minnesota beat writer discuss this in depth on ESPNRadio when trade rumors were swirling around him back in Minnesota. His history is not in question.

Players with questionable character often practice or play extremely hard. TO is a prime example; probably the hardest worker on our entire team. That said I seriously doubt Harvin will bring any drama to the Hawks. If healrhy he is going to make plays all yr long.

[FolkCrusader]

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"You know I keep hearing that, and yet, he never seemed to have anyone other than one coach say anything derogatory about him. Seems off to me."

I hadn't heard that much, either except from disgruntled Viking fans.
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Considering PC and JS put such a premium on competitiveness and the psychological aspect, I don't see how those things mesh - unless they think his abilities more than make up for any discontent he might display.

What I have heard is he plays so hard he puts himself in a position to get hurt.
The injuries might cause frustration which could be mistaken for being a malcontent - most of us really don't know him to say.

Ok, not to cause an argument or suggest he will be a problem, but he does have a well documented history of conflicts with every football team that he has played for dating back to college. In fact, I listened to the Minnesota beat writer discuss this in depth on ESPNRadio when trade rumors were swirling around him back in Minnesota. His history is not in question.

Players with questionable character often practice or play extremely hard. TO is a prime example; probably the hardest worker on our entire team. That said I seriously doubt Harvin will bring any drama to the Hawks. If healrhy he is going to make plays all yr long.

Please produce this "well documented history" future. I think you will find it does not exist.

[Anthony]

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"You know I keep hearing that, and yet, he never seemed to have anyone other than one coach say anything derogatory about him. Seems off to me."

I hadn't heard that much, either except from disgruntled Viking fans.
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Considering PC and JS put such a premium on competitiveness and the psychological aspect, I don't see how those things mesh - unless they think his abilities more than make up for any discontent he might display.

What I have heard is he plays so hard he puts himself in a position to get hurt.
The injuries might cause frustration which could be mistaken for being a malcontent - most of us really don't know him to say.

Ok, not to cause an argument or suggest he will be a problem, but he does have a well documented history of conflicts with every football team that he has played for dating back to college. In fact, I listened to the Minnesota beat writer discuss this in depth on ESPNRadio when trade rumors were swirling around him back in Minnesota. His history is not in question.

Players with questionable character often practice or play extremely hard. TO is a prime example; probably the hardest worker on our entire team. That said I seriously doubt Harvin will bring any drama to the Hawks. If healrhy he is going to make plays all yr long.

Please produce this "well documented history" future. I think you will find it does not exist.

Its future its made up like everything else or it is really just one thing one time that he decides is really many things. Ohh and do not hold your breath waiting for proof or links he has none, like everything else he posts about without proof, he will have nothing.

[HumanCockroach]

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"You know I keep hearing that, and yet, he never seemed to have anyone other than one coach say anything derogatory about him. Seems off to me."

I hadn't heard that much, either except from disgruntled Viking fans.
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Considering PC and JS put such a premium on competitiveness and the psychological aspect, I don't see how those things mesh - unless they think his abilities more than make up for any discontent he might display.

What I have heard is he plays so hard he puts himself in a position to get hurt.
The injuries might cause frustration which could be mistaken for being a malcontent - most of us really don't know him to say.

Ok, not to cause an argument or suggest he will be a problem, but he does have a well documented history of conflicts with every football team that he has played for dating back to college. In fact, I listened to the Minnesota beat writer discuss this in depth on ESPNRadio when trade rumors were swirling around him back in Minnesota. His history is not in question.

Players with questionable character often practice or play extremely hard. TO is a prime example; probably the hardest worker on our entire team. That said I seriously doubt Harvin will bring any drama to the Hawks. If healrhy he is going to make plays all yr long.

I've heard rumors and speculation, disgruntled fans, but verifiable information is pretty lean from what I've read. I understand the belief something is so, based on what is reported, but you of all people Future should know that stories, hear say speculation and rumors can and do, take on a life of their own.

The only thing that is verifiable that I have found is the Vikings coaching staffs choice to sit him, beyond that there hasn't been a whole lot confirmed that I've seen.

[kalibane]

From what I read there was some friction with Leslie Frazier and some but it wasn't a situation like TO where he was a problem for the players in the locker room.

[Futureite]

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"You know I keep hearing that, and yet, he never seemed to have anyone other than one coach say anything derogatory about him. Seems off to me."

I hadn't heard that much, either except from disgruntled Viking fans.
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Considering PC and JS put such a premium on competitiveness and the psychological aspect, I don't see how those things mesh - unless they think his abilities more than make up for any discontent he might display.

What I have heard is he plays so hard he puts himself in a position to get hurt.
The injuries might cause frustration which could be mistaken for being a malcontent - most of us really don't know him to say.

Ok, not to cause an argument or suggest he will be a problem, but he does have a well documented history of conflicts with every football team that he has played for dating back to college. In fact, I listened to the Minnesota beat writer discuss this in depth on ESPNRadio when trade rumors were swirling around him back in Minnesota. His history is not in question.

Players with questionable character often practice or play extremely hard. TO is a prime example; probably the hardest worker on our entire team. That said I seriously doubt Harvin will bring any drama to the Hawks. If healrhy he is going to make plays all yr long.

Please produce this "well documented history" future. I think you will find it does not exist.

Go to the Minnesota 2009 bleacher report which discusses Harvin having been kicked off his highschool football team for "numerous conflicts with players and faculty". Did that story exist or did it not. Why am I doing this when you should be the one who is reading and learning about your own player? I provided the seaech terms and the quote. He has an established history of conflict at each level.

Your next response is going to be to downplay that incident and tell me to find another article. I am through playing these little kid games here and arguing things that are common knowledge. Believe what you want to believe. I am not even bashing him as a "bad Hawk" or suggesting he will be a problem. I saw a post that I disagreed with, and I responded to it. End of story on my end.

[Seahawks4Ever]

Future; How quickly you forget that you are in a SEAHAWK FORUM so when you decide to trash a Seahawk player people are going to be defensive. Even IF we decide to trash Alden Smith we have that right because we would be trashing him in a Seahawk Forum and not logging onto a 49ner. Forum and then trashing Smith. Do you NOT UNDERSTAND the difference??????

Now, I don't care how Harvin got along with his coaching staff in Minnesota, his college staff, or his high school staff. First of all, nobody knows both sides of such conflicts so long ago. Also, I could understand Harvin not getting along with Frazier, Frazier had no business being a head coach of an NFL team.

All I care about is how Percy Harvin's attitude and work ethic has been since he has become a Seahawk and so far there has not been even one report that Percy has been a problem. He got hurt after we traded for him and then worked his tail off to so that he could contribute to the team before the end of the season. He did exactly that, and his K/O return at the start of he second half of the SB put the final nail in the Broncos coffin.

So. in practice, just a couple of days before the Seahawks break TC Percy has a slight injury and you all of a sudden get diareea of the mouth and start posting how he has had problems with every team he has ever played for. What PROBLEMS has Harvin had with the Seahawk coaching staff or any other player??? Come on dude, I want to hear your "insider report" of Harvin arguing with Wilson for more passes his way, maybe you "heard" that Harvin was badgering Bevell to have the offense flow through him. OH! And maybe you have the scoop about how Percy trashed Pete Carroll behind his back??? No, you don't have any of those because there are NO REPORTS of Percy Harvin being anything but a hard working player doing every thing he can to be ready for the GB Packers.

Keep in mind that this is a SEAHAWK FORUM and if you can't refrain from acting like a troll maybe you should do some real soul searching about why you feel the need to visit a rival team's forum.

[Anthony]

Go to the Minnesota 2009 bleacher report which discusses Harvin having been kicked off his highschool football team for "numerous conflicts with players and faculty". Did that story exist or did it not. Why am I doing this when you should be the one who is reading and learning about your own player? I provided the seaech terms and the quote. He has an established history of conflict at each level.

Your next response is going to be to downplay that incident and tell me to find another article. I am through playing these little kid games here and arguing things that are common knowledge. Believe what you want to believe. I am not even bashing him as a "bad Hawk" or suggesting he will be a problem. I saw a post that I disagreed with, and I responded to it. End of story on my end.

as usual you provide nothing, you made the claim it is not our job to prove it for you it is your job to prove it and again you have not.

oh and hear is bleacher report 2009 preview

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2173 ... 09-preview

Nothing about him getting kicked off his high school team, so either find proof or shut up.

more of the same making crap up, your next response will be to ignore the fact you were caught in yet another lie and hope we forget about it

[c_hawkbob]

Go to the Minnesota 2009 bleacher report which discusses Harvin having been kicked off his highschool football team for "numerous conflicts with players and faculty". Did that story exist or did it not. Why am I doing this when you should be the one who is reading and learning about your own player? I provided the seaech terms and the quote. He has an established history of conflict at each level.

Your next response is going to be to downplay that incident and tell me to find another article. I am through playing these little kid games here and arguing things that are common knowledge. Believe what you want to believe. I am not even bashing him as a "bad Hawk" or suggesting he will be a problem. I saw a post that I disagreed with, and I responded to it. End of story on my end.

BS. You said it was well documented; provide some documentation or don't say it in the first place.

[Anthony]

Go to the Minnesota 2009 bleacher report which discusses Harvin having been kicked off his highschool football team for "numerous conflicts with players and faculty". Did that story exist or did it not. Why am I doing this when you should be the one who is reading and learning about your own player? I provided the seaech terms and the quote. He has an established history of conflict at each level.

Your next response is going to be to downplay that incident and tell me to find another article. I am through playing these little kid games here and arguing things that are common knowledge. Believe what you want to believe. I am not even bashing him as a "bad Hawk" or suggesting he will be a problem. I saw a post that I disagreed with, and I responded to it. End of story on my end.

BS. You said it was well documented; provide some documentation or don't say it in the first place.

I am going with he has nothing but will still say it for 200 Bob

[RiverDog]

Come on, guys. Harvin has had character question marks, both in the pros and in college. It was an issue in the draft and it was an issue for teams like the Hawks when the Vikings were looking to trade him.

Here's one:

http://www.twincities.com/ci_20357723/v ... ine-issues

And another...

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Dail ... ssues.aspx

I certainly don't mind you guys defending him as he's been on his best behavior here, but please, don't pretend that he's as pure as the wind driven snow.

[c_hawkbob]

Come on, guys. Harvin has had character question marks, both in the pros and in college. It was an issue in the draft and it was an issue for teams like the Hawks when the Vikings were looking to trade him.

Here's one:

http://www.twincities.com/ci_20357723/v ... ine-issues

And another...

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Dail ... ssues.aspx

I certainly don't mind you guys defending him as he's been on his best behavior here, but please, don't pretend that he's as pure as the wind driven snow.

First, I wasn't defending him, I was holding Future to account for his "well documented" statement.

Second, both your links are about his issues in college, not in the Pro's. In fact from the first link:

Harvin seemingly has matured during his three seasons with Minnesota. He led the Vikings with 87 catches in 2011 and is considered a team leader. Last season, he won the Korey Stringer Good Guy award, given each year to a Vikings player who exemplifies professionalism when dealing with the media.

In fact, other than a minor, although public, disagreement with Childress as a rookie all his character issues seem to have been while in college.

I don't mind you taking Futures part in an argument, just don't overstate your case in the doing.

[Anthony]

Come on, guys. Harvin has had character question marks, both in the pros and in college. It was an issue in the draft and it was an issue for teams like the Hawks when the Vikings were looking to trade him.

Here's one:

http://www.twincities.com/ci_20357723/v ... ine-issues

And another...

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Dail ... ssues.aspx

I certainly don't mind you guys defending him as he's been on his best behavior here, but please, don't pretend that he's as pure as the wind driven snow.

Those are great but neither are what Future was saying, and to be honest I saw nothing in the first article that proved anything other than hearsay, even the second lacked actual fact but a lot of speculation, like " a recent report that he tested positive for marijuana at the February NFL combine." really and the NFL did nothing, right. Not saying he has not had issues, but lets talk about the things that are factual not speculation, or unsubstantiated talk. As far a Future goes neither prove what he said.

[FolkCrusader]

I realize that some people can read the term "character concerns" when created by a journalist trying to sell an article and believe it, but personally I like a few facts with my reporting. When you get down to the facts of the situations the people supposedly involved never agree with the writer. Maybe they are covering up for Percy, maybe the events just never happened.

And future, just so you understand. "well documented" means allegation and confirmation of such an allegation.

[HumanCockroach]

I'm personally not "defending" him, just saying that something smells fishy in regards to his character concerns. Maybe he DID almost get kicked off his HS team, but seriously, his HS team? Good lord. How many times has Future trotted out the "young man" defense for guys in the pro's? I don't have really any issue with what Future said, or what RD has said, my issue stems from what seems to me to be a combination of Fans displeasure with "migraines and injuries" and a conflict of personalities with one of his coaching staffs.

When it comes to serious character issues, I tend to think of players that fight with team mates , whine to the press, or argue on the sideline with coaches, none of which has happened with Harvin that I can find anywhere. Maybe it happened in HS, it is certainly possible, however I feel like 10 years is probably enough time not to cling to that as some sort of verifiable proof that he currently has issues.

I've personally never heard a single team mate say anything but how incredible he is, and what an amazing teammate teammate, IF he was some sort of problem, I could understand current teammates saying that, but NOTHING coming out of Minnesota AFTER he was traded was in any way negative, which is why, I say something doesn't seem right.

Just don't believe in the theory that the media is always completely honest and forthright in regards to this stuff, and the actual facts don't seem to jive with the claims. I could care less what the fans in Minnesota, the media in Minnesota, or the former coaching staff in Minnesota feels about it, all I care about is what he does here, and how he does it, that said, I haven't read didly poo about what kind of cancer he was, that is verified in some sort of witnessed action. He had EVERY opportunity to express to the media his displeasure in Minnesota with the way he was being used and the staff, he didn't, he has had numerous opportunities to lash out at fans, teammates and the media, and he hasn't. Just doesn't coincide with the diva, character issue guy many have painted him as.

[Anthony]

I'm personally not "defending" him, just saying that something smells fishy in regards to his character concerns. Maybe he DID almost get kicked off his HS team, but seriously, his HS team? Good lord. How many times has Future trotted out the "young man" defense for guys in the pro's? I don't have really any issue with what Future said, or what RD has said, my issue stems from what seems to me to be a combination of Fans displeasure with "migraines and injuries" and a conflict of personalities with one of his coaching staffs.

When it comes to serious character issues, I tend to think of players that fight with team mates , whine to the press, or argue on the sideline with coaches, none of which has happened with Harvin that I can find anywhere. Maybe it happened in HS, it is certainly possible, however I feel like 10 years is probably enough time not to cling to that as some sort of verifiable proof that he currently has issues.

I've personally never heard a single team mate say anything but how incredible he is, and what an amazing teammate teammate, IF he was some sort of problem, I could understand current teammates saying that, but NOTHING coming out of Minnesota AFTER he was traded was in any way negative, which is why, I say something doesn't seem right.

Just don't believe in the theory that the media is always completely honest and forthright in regards to this stuff, and the actual facts don't seem to jive with the claims. I could care less what the fans in Minnesota, the media in Minnesota, or the former coaching staff in Minnesota feels about it, all I care about is what he does here, and how he does it, that said, I haven't read didly poo about what kind of cancer he was, that is verified in some sort of witnessed action. He had EVERY opportunity to express to the media his displeasure in Minnesota with the way he was being used and the staff, he didn't, he has had numerous opportunities to lash out at fans, teammates and the media, and he hasn't. Just doesn't coincide with the diva, character issue guy many have painted him as.

Yeah but for future it is okay it those are his guys Niners, they get the excuses and stuff we are Hawks we do not get them. Plus still waiting for the proof what he said is true, which he will not provide. Reminds me when he said Rw said something bad, but could never provide prof and no one else could find anything. He just acted like it never happened.

[RiverDog]

First, I wasn't defending him, I was holding Future to account for his "well documented" statement.

Second, both your links are about his issues in college, not in the Pro's. In fact from the first link:

Harvin seemingly has matured during his three seasons with Minnesota. He led the Vikings with 87 catches in 2011 and is considered a team leader. Last season, he won the Korey Stringer Good Guy award, given each year to a Vikings player who exemplifies professionalism when dealing with the media.

In fact, other than a minor, although public, disagreement with Childress as a rookie all his character issues seem to have been while in college.

I don't mind you taking Futures part in an argument, just don't overstate your case in the doing.

First, I was not necessarily referring to you, but to the group in general.

Secondly, I dispute the underlined sentence in your post, and would have thought that you would have recalled the incident where Harvin chased his head coach up the sidelines in a game against us, prompting Frazier to take off his head phones and give him a cold stare.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100000 ... ie-frazier

And as the article points out, his blow up with Frazier wasn't isolated. He also reportedly got into a shouting match with his OC during the TB game the week before. That's at least two issues in addition to the one you cited with Childress.

In fact, the Vikings had enough of Harvin's antics, and was at least one of the reasons why they would consider trading him, if not the primary one.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/02/0 ... cy-harvin/

The evidence is all over the place, as there's multiple reports of Harvin's character issues up and down his career log, both in college, the pre draft concern that caused his stock to drop, and his stormy relationship with two different coaching regimes with the Vikings. Pete has a penchant for taming a shrew, as he did with Beast, and he may be able to do the same with Harvin, along with the fact that Harvin is older, and that some of us grow wiser and more tolerant with age. But it's pretty hard to deny that Harvin's past has been anything less than checkered, unless you want to call into question the reliability of multiple sources that have reported on his character problems over the past 6-8 years.

[FolkCrusader]

You are seriously digging a hole here, RD. If that's the case Ricky Waters was the least behaved player in the history of the game. Matt Hasselbeck got in fights weekly with Holmgren. Getting excited on the sidelines with your coach is not a character concern. Disrespecting your coach on the sidelines is another problem.

Face it, you want to buy in to the media hype on this. Great, you eat media bias like cookies. If you want to call that conversation a fact of flawed character, ok. You win.

[RiverDog]

You are seriously digging a hole here, RD. If that's the case Ricky Waters was the least behaved player in the history of the game. Matt Hasselbeck got in fights weekly with Holmgren. Getting excited on the sidelines with your coach is not a character concern. Disrespecting your coach on the sidelines is another problem.

Face it, you want to buy in to the media hype on this. Great, you eat media bias like cookies. If you want to call that conversation a fact of flawed character, ok. You win.

Face it? You guys are the ones that need to face it. You're in serious denial if you attribute Harvin's problems to nothing more than media hype.

Here's a report about Harvin while at Florida:

It(Harvin's behavior) only got worse as Harvin’s career progressed. At one point during the 2008 season, multiple sources confirmed that Harvin, now a prominent member of the Minnesota Vikings, physically attacked wide receivers coach Billy Gonzales, grabbing him by the neck and throwing him to the ground. Harvin had to be pulled off Gonzales by two assistant coaches—but was never disciplined

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-footba ... -will-musc

I'm not looking at a single incident here. It's pieces of a puzzle that form a picture, and the pieces are scattered back and forth over the past 6-8 years.

[c_hawkbob]

I don't think he's buying the media hype, I think he just likes cutting against the grain.

[c_hawkbob]

You are seriously digging a hole here, RD. If that's the case Ricky Waters was the least behaved player in the history of the game. Matt Hasselbeck got in fights weekly with Holmgren. Getting excited on the sidelines with your coach is not a character concern. Disrespecting your coach on the sidelines is another problem.

Face it, you want to buy in to the media hype on this. Great, you eat media bias like cookies. If you want to call that conversation a fact of flawed character, ok. You win.

Face it? You guys are the ones that need to face it. You're in serious denial if you attribute Harvin's problems to nothing more than media hype.

Here's a report about Harvin while at Florida:

It(Harvin's behavior) only got worse as Harvin’s career progressed. At one point during the 2008 season, multiple sources confirmed that Harvin, now a prominent member of the Minnesota Vikings, physically attacked wide receivers coach Billy Gonzales, grabbing him by the neck and throwing him to the ground. Harvin had to be pulled off Gonzales by two assistant coaches—but was never disciplined

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-footba ... -will-musc

Come on man, no one is disputing his issues in college, leave off with those links, they're nothing but inflammatory to the argument. The stuff you've linked from his pro career is weak. Take whatever side you want, but keep it real.

[RiverDog]

I don't think he's buying the media hype, I think he just likes cutting against the grain.

All I am trying to do is make a point, which is that Harvin has had multiple character issues in his past. Whether or not it becomes an issue here in Seattle remains to be seen, and like I said, Pete seems to have the magic touch when it comes to cantankerous players like Harvin. But it is still a concern, at least to me if not to you good folks.

Say what you want about the links. I've been asked to justify my opinion and that's what I'm doing. At least it's more than what Future has offered.