Last year for Beast in Seattle?

[NorthHawk]

Let's see how it all unfolds before getting too uptight.

I can see it from his point of view with him nearing the magic age for RBs and wanting to cache in after the Super Bowl.
Especially so when seeing Sherman, and Thomas with the big contracts and knowing he is the wheel on Offense that makes it all work.

I caught a little bit of NFL Radio on the way to work and Booger MacFarlane suggested they try to get him a 2 year deal with more up front.
As he has 2 years left on this contract, they might do that and add a couple million on top of what his contract currently stipulates.
I have no idea what the Salary Cap implications are, but I do know that if they want to do something, they can find a way - it's why they hire people to do that job.

[Eaglehawk]

Let's see how it all unfolds before getting too uptight.

I can see it from his point of view with him nearing the magic age for RBs and wanting to cache in after the Super Bowl.
Especially so when seeing Sherman, and Thomas with the big contracts and knowing he is the wheel on Offense that makes it all work.

I caught a little bit of NFL Radio on the way to work and Booger MacFarlane suggested they try to get him a 2 year deal with more up front.
As he has 2 years left on this contract, they might do that and add a couple million on top of what his contract currently stipulates.
I have no idea what the Salary Cap implications are, but I do know that if they want to do something, they can find a way - it's why they hire people to do that job.

As to the highlighted info...+1

[Seahawks4Ever]

Forget Booger, if they give in to Lynch it will open the door for other players to reneg on their contracts too. There is such a thing as a salary cap and why should they endanger not having the cap space for Russell Wilson's new contract? Lynch already is guaranteed 18 million dollars on his current contract, he is not and was not under paid. Like I said before, Lynch was the very FIRST player of their nucleus they wanted to build the team around to GET PAID. Lynch is being greedy plain and simple.

I suspected his motives when he wouldn't practice all week complaining about his back and then go out during the game. The guy is just not a TEAM player, besides, the whole thing doesn't revolve around Lynch anymore, not since Wilson arrived at VMAC.

I say suspend Lynch without pay and then try to trade him to an AFC team that is mediocre at best. JS shouldn't talk to him or his agent unless to them he is suspended. You simply can't allow a cancer like Lynch to spread to he rest of the team. Dang, and this off season was going really smooth too.

I reality Lynch didn't contribute all of that much to the Super Bowl win and had a pretty pedestrian game, he has a lot of gall to be demanding more money. He has gone from being one of my favorite players to one of my most hated. The animosity I feel for Lynch is like the animosity I felt for Hutch after he leveraged his move to the Vikings.

[HumanCockroach]

Not convinced the "source" is accurate..... that said, if Seattle was inclined to pay Lynch more this season they indeed could and still have enough money for next year to sign guys like Wilson ( as Lynch's contract numbers would then be off the books) ultimately, it depends on what Lynch is asking for ( if he is actually asking for it) from what I have read, he wants more money this year, not a raise, which is a reworking of the contract ( meaning less money counts against the cap next season, more like a shuffling of the money). If the guaranteed portion of his contract was moved into this season, than that money would indeed be available in the cap next season ( creating no Dead money). It could indeed work if it was reworked to give him all of his signing bonus plus what he is do this year ( something like ten million this year, with seven million not guaranteed next seasonthat they could get out of with no dead space to deal with).

I'm not entirely sure, but I could see something like that working. If their plan is to simply roll over the money to next year, thereisn't a problem doing something like that, at least money wise. It doesn't limit the Hawks next season when those funds are needed, it gives Lynch the money he will be paid no matter what up front, and still rolls over the money.

[NorthHawk]

Not convinced the "source" is accurate..... that said, if Seattle was inclined to pay Lynch more this season they indeed could and still have enough money for next year to sign guys like Wilson ( as Lynch's contract numbers would then be off the books) ultimately, it depends on what Lynch is asking for ( if he is actually asking for it) from what I have read, he wants more money this year, not a raise, which is a reworking of the contract ( meaning less money counts against the cap next season, more like a shuffling of the money). If the guaranteed portion of his contract was moved into this season, than that money would indeed be available in the cap next season ( creating no Dead money). It could indeed work if it was reworked to give him all of his signing bonus plus what he is do this year ( something like ten million this year, with seven million not guaranteed next seasonthat they could get out of with no dead space to deal with).

I'm not entirely sure, but I could see something like that working. If their plan is to simply roll over the money to next year, thereisn't a problem doing something like that, at least money wise. It doesn't limit the Hawks next season when those funds are needed, it gives Lynch the money he will be paid no matter what up front, and still rolls over the money.

That's just a re-work of what he signed for - which might be enough for him. I could see them throwing in another million without it hurting the Cap much. As a RB getting close to the 30 mark and max carries number as well, it might entice him to get it up front so as to ensure he gets most of his contract fulfilled. I'm sure he knows how much other RBs are making - or not making the last few years. Other than Peterson, and maybe another there aren't too many RBs making the big dollars anymore.

[kalibane]

Interesting on how one thing will change the opinion of a player from the beloved oddball who marches to the beat of his own drum to a greedy player only out for self.

Maybe now though people understand that his unpredictability can cut both ways and why they spent such a high draft choice on a RB so soon after extending Lynch. I'm not worried about this (as long as Michael can block). Even if he pouts all season, between Wilson and Baldwin on offense and Sherman and Thomas on defense, I think leadership is too strong for him to be too big of a distraction if he really is actually in a snit about his contract. He has no leverage. And if he lets it affect his play he'll just lose more carries to Michael.

[NorthHawk]

Interesting on how one thing will change the opinion of a player from the beloved oddball who marches to the beat of his own drum to a greedy player only out for self.

Maybe now though people understand that his unpredictability can cut both ways and why they spent such a high draft choice on a RB so soon after extending Lynch. I'm not worried about this (as long as Michael can block). Even if he pouts all season, between Wilson and Baldwin on offense and Sherman and Thomas on defense, I think leadership is too strong for him to be too big of a distraction if he really is actually in a snit about his contract. He has no leverage. And if he lets it affect his play he'll just lose more carries to Michael.

I don't see him as greedy. I see him as looking out for himself as he nears the end of his career. I'm not about to blame him for that.
His attitude and effort will be difficult to replace when he finally does go elsewhere or retire. That's an intangible that can't be measured and has a lot to do with the success in the run game as shown by his yards after contact.

[HumanCockroach]

Doesn't seem like to many peoples opinions have changed, some begrudgingly accepted Lynch, and now they feel their opinions about him are justified, and are here to say "I told you so". Most haven't changed their opinions of the guy, but stuff like this is something fans and teams have to deal with. Always going to be someone saying a player is "selfish" because he wants more money, because as a whole, regular folks don't grasp all the angles and real life issues players face not only during their playing days, but well into their futures after they are done.

He wouldn't be the first, he won't be the last, and it doesn't change one bit what he has given, or gone through to get to where he is at. Fans in general terms don't grasp the amount of work or pain goes into not just suiting up, but playing through that pain, they see it as a "job" they love and get paid to do, something they wish they could have done, but the truth is, it's an entertainment business, and the performers have a short shelf life, with which to make what they can.They do indeed love it, and are getting paid a lot to do it, doesn't mean they walk away healthy, happy and content.

[c_hawkbob]

This is Marshawn reading the tea leaves and realizing his opportunity to make some money in the NFL is coming to a close. And I'm on his side.

It's not as though he's been playing for peanuts like Russ, he's been well compensated with a salary appropriate for a top 5 or so RB, but he's been producing like the best RB in the league (or top 2 at least) but making half of that elite sort of money. He's been every bit of what we've asked him to be and more, we may have won the Super Bowl without him, and we may do OK for ourselves going forward without him (although I wouldn't count on that yet) but we never would have gotten to the Super Bowl last year without him!

I'd like to see him get like a $5M bonus this year (call it a SB Bonus) to get him the money he deserves now and then next year if it looks like he's still as beastly as ever he'd be playing for over $9M anyway in the last year of his contract.

After that it's over, no more big money for Beast. Not here or anywhere else in today's NFL.

Like I said, I wish him luck.

[kalibane]

Usually I'm more on the player's side in these matters and in this case I can't really blame him for trying to get more but I'm not in favor of giving him any more money. It might be different if this was his first big deal and he was playing for under market all this time but he's not. He signed an extension in 2012 a deal that at the time was obvious he wasn't going to see the final year of the contract.

If he gets another new deal it's going to cost the Seahawks Bobby Wagner, KJ Wright or Byron Maxwell, as it's going to be difficult enough as it is to keep them. The market for RBs just isn't strong. He's getting good value and I'm just not in favor of losing a guy who's just about to enter their prime so they can soothe a soon to be declining player's ego.

If he decides he wants to skip OTAs and eat the fines, go for it. I won't be mad at him, but I'm also not going to give him any more money. If they are going to sustain this thing, sacrifices will be made. This year that meant not paying Rice, Bryant and Clemmons. Next year it means Marshawn. Tough pill to swallow but that's why they drafted Michael in the first place.

[Seahawks4Ever]

CHawkBob and a few of you others gloss over the fact that he a recently as 2012 GOT PAID big bucks, if he thought he was worth more he should have negotiated for more then. I used RW but it is true are we going to say goodbye to BW and K.J. just because Lynch is demanding more? Oh, and don't tell me that if the FO does cave that Beastie won't start missing games because of his chronically sore back. I have seen this scenario go down a gazillion times. He earned the new contract he signed in 2012 it was fair market value then and it is now. I say a big fat NO to any 5 million "bonus" if he wanted a Super Bowl bonus his agent should have negotiated one for him. Who is his agent anyhow? Rosenhaus? Scott Boras? If J.S. and P.C. cave in we will see a steady stream of other Seahawks holding out for more money a couple of years into their new contracts wanting to renegotiate. Let him sit and sulk and suspend him if it comes to that trade his me first fanny to the Browns where he can "beast mode" for a loser and remember what it was like to be on top of the world for a minute. Mail him his ring, and oh, since he don't want to hang with team mates leave him out of official team pictures of the Super Bowl team I am sure he doesn't care any how. excise the CANCER!

[HumanCockroach]

That's kind of what my point was about this being a rework, not a raise. I would definitely rework his contract if I was the Hawks FO if it was something to the effect of giving him his salary this season ( five million plus two million in guaranteed signing bonus) plus say two million ( guaranteed money from next season) and maybe an additional million of next seasons salary, bringing his total for this year to 10 million, and dropping next years NON- guaranteed salary to 4.5 Million ( with ZERO dead money should they decide to cut him). It limits any type of money that would be "lost" to sign players like Wright, Okung/ Wilson, Wagner etc, keeps Lynch happy ( or at least content) and allows Seattle to "roll over" the money that is going to be rolled over anyway, just in a different form.

Nothing I've heard is saying Lynch wants "more" money, just that he wants more of it this season ( something tells me that should Seattle finish with their ultimate prize, he's going to hang them up anyway to be honest). Which as long as it DOESN'T limit their ability to do the deals they need to moving forward, there is zero reason not to do. Now if it comes out he wants another big deal, with lots of guaranteed money, you say thank you very much for your service and work, and move forward.

[HumanCockroach]

CHawkBob and a few of you others gloss over the fact that he a recently as 2012 GOT PAID big bucks, if he thought he was worth more he should have negotiated for more then. I used RW but it is true are we going to say goodbye to BW and K.J. just because Lynch is demanding more? Oh, and don't tell me that if the FO does cave that Beastie won't start missing games because of his chronically sore back. I have seen this scenario go down a gazillion times. He earned the new contract he signed in 2012 it was fair market value then and it is now. I say a big fat NO to any 5 million "bonus" if he wanted a Super Bowl bonus his agent should have negotiated one for him. Who is his agent anyhow? Rosenhaus? Scott Boras? If J.S. and P.C. cave in we will see a steady stream of other Seahawks holding out for more money a couple of years into their new contracts wanting to renegotiate. Let him sit and sulk and suspend him if it comes to that trade his me first fanny to the Browns where he can "beast mode" for a loser and remember what it was like to be on top of the world for a minute. Mail him his ring, and oh, since he don't want to hang with team mates leave him out of official team pictures of the Super Bowl team I am sure he doesn't care any how. excise the CANCER!

Show me where he is demanding more. I can wait, take all the time in the world you need.....

[c_hawkbob]

Seahawks4Ever;

1- I didn't gloss over a thing. I iterated clearly the fact that he is being paid commensurate with a top 5 back in the league. Maybe you glossed over reading what I wrote ...

2- You have an interesting definition of "Big Bucks". For a back that is playing as well as or better than any in the league, check his salary against Adrian Peterson's.

[kalibane]

I get your point Bob but I don't know that I'd use Adrian Peterson as a salary barometer for Lynch just because Lynch is in the top 5 RBs. That seems a little like in 2004/2005 saying Flozell Adams is a top 5 LT he has an argument to be paid somewhere in the range of Walter Jones. You're talking about a 1st ballot HOFer vs a guy who will be hard pressed to get serious consideration unless his career beats the odds for what we see from aging RBs.

The other thing is it's really hard to determine what's fair because of the way the structure contracts. Lynch's salary this year may be lower than a lesser player just because of the timing of the comparison but could have made much more than that same player the year before.

[HumanCockroach]

To be fair Mr. Peterson isn't going to see the end of his contract ( at least in it's current alignment) either. Teams aren't going to pay insane money for RB's at this point regardless of HOF worth or not. Lynch is in a different position though, as he is at ( or near) the end of his contract. Guys like Peterson, Forte, McCoy aren't.

http://overthecap.com/top-player-salari ... osition=RB

[c_hawkbob]

Not sure you are getting my point bane, I'm not saying Lynch is a top 5 back, I'm saying that over the last 3 years he's been the best back in the league, every bit as good even as AP, while his salary is less than half.

I'm also not saying that I think he's grossly underpaid or anything either, it's just that with RB's you have an acutely short window of earning potential in the NFL, more so by far than any other position, and for the impact he's had here, he deserves a little better than he's getting.

[Futureite]

Not sure you are getting my point bane, I'm not saying Lynch is a top 5 back, I'm saying that over the last 3 years he's been the best back in the league, every bit as good even as AP, while his salary is less than half.

I'm also not saying that I think he's grossly underpaid or anything either, it's just that with RB's you have an acutely short window of earning potential in the NFL, more so by far than any other position, and for the impact he's had here, he deserves a little better than he's getting.

IMO he is the best back in the NFL and the most important player on your team. I may butcher these stats, but I believe over the last 3 yrs he has scored 39 TDs and rushed for over 100 yds 19 times (or maybe that was since he was signed?). At any rate, I read that both stats were tops in the league over that period. He controls games and he takes over in the 4th. Not sure if you rework his contract, but he'd be the one guy I'd make sure to secure.

[PasadenaHawk]

Agree with both Bob and Future. Aside from Wilson, I think Lynch is our most valuable player on the offensive side. Pretty tall order filling his shoes.

[Distant Relative]

I just think ML is sending the wrong message to the team and his team mates. The FO will handle this professionally. This has been in talks for months believe me. ML knows his best days are behind him and wants to be paid for what he has done and not what he can do! His current contract is fair, he signed it and should honor it. How ever it turns out, it will set a precedence as to how the Hawks FO will handle these situations in the future.

[Hawktawk]

I kind of LOL thinking about a discussion we had on the PI forum last year. I said Lynch was as good as AP or any other back in the league and got laughed at by everybody. Well the stats don't lie. Besides scoring more TDs, posting more 100yd games etc in the past couple of years there is another amazing stat. 108 forced missed tackles last season. Thats more than twice as many as any other back in the league. No question hes the best, most physical back in the league right now.

All that being said he had a bit of a slump in the second half of the regular season in YPC and total yards last year. He rebounded to have a great game vs the Rams in the season finale and had one of the historically better performances of all time in the playoffs. He was contained pretty well in the SB but it is inaccurate to say he didn't contribute much. He scored a rushing TD(well he scored it twice). He had a great run to get us out of jail on our own 9 yard line after the Denver punt. And he was a dominant enough force that Denver incorrectly assumed that slowing him down would stop our offense. So he was a HUGE factor in the game despite his stats.

As for paying him more now though, I don't know.Seattle rewarded him well in 2012 in a unilateral fashion. Hes not making chump change, and a part of me feels that this demand may be the beginning of the bad Lynch resurfacing. And we have a stud waiting in line who may actually be a better back when its all said and done. Next man up for Seattle has led to a world championship and so I think Ill trust PC and JS on this one. I doubt they are going to redo his deal in any case so the future may be now.....

[kalibane]

Lynch has not been the best back in the league the last three years. That's crazy talk. Peterson is on an Island by himself. That's unadulterated homerism.

[HumanCockroach]

I suppose it would depend on what a person rates as more important. If it's TD's, broken tackles, and drive, Lynch is indeed the best back in the NFL the last three years, and the numbers back that up amongst backs ( 39 TD's, 300+ broken tackles, the most yards in the league after contact etc) if it is yardage, Peterson in a land slide.

Personally I prefer Beasts style ( and always have, before Beast was a name, or player) Just prefer that abusive style, to a fluid fast back. Peterson is more physically gifted IMHO, but I like Beasts style of play better

http://www.nfl.com/player/adrianpeterso ... areerstats

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/p ... ncMa00.htm

Just don't see the "hands down homer" glasses in the comparison between the two ( especially since Lynch does indeed have more yards the last three years, more TD's, more receiving yards and TD's and has been more durable). Pretty damn comparable, but I can indeed respect the thought that Peterson is better, IMO the "hands down" is a pretty big stretch though.

[kalibane]

Part of the reason is Peterson doesn't have to break as many tackles because he runs past people. Peterson is hands down the better back. There isn't a GM in the league who would choose Lynch over Peterson, including Schneider.

Seriously, last year Adrian Peterson had a "dissapointing" season, missed two games, his son was murdered and he still outrushed Marshawn Lynch. The year before he nearly broke the single season rushing record coming off an ACL injury after less than a year and out rushed Lynch by 500 yards on only 30 more carries. And there is no phase of the game where Peterson doesn't excel. The notion that Marshawn Lynch has been a better RB is complete and utter nonsense.

[HumanCockroach]

Again, that isn't as clear cut as you are professing. I would rank Peterson first myself, but it certainly wouldn't be "clear cut" or as simply ridiculous to say Lynch has had a better three seasons. I respect your opinion, but durability, scores, broken tackles do indeed matter, and Lynch has Peterson in all three areas.

lambasting someone for having a differing opinion between 1a and 2a seems to me at least to be over compensating for your view. Lynch has been one of the top two backs in the NFL, arguing against that is silly, and someone leaning towards Lynch in that conversation isn't crazy. Look at the links, compare the two, and base your assessment on that, don't simply call something ludicrous because it doesn't match up with your ( or my) opinion.

[Seahawks4Ever]

HCR, nobody would hold out over a simple rework of his contract. What the NFL Network is reporting is that he wants to be paid as one of the top 1 or 2 best RB's in the NFL. Now, for a guy that can't practice because of a chronic back problem I don't see how or why a team would give him any more money than he already agreed to. I guess also told a couple of team mates that if the Seahawks won the Super Bowl that he just might retire, I guess you didn't hear that. This sounds like a player who is no longer hungry and doesn't really care anymore and only wants to see how much money he can extort before he claim his back is too hurt to playI. That's what he wants, more guaranteed money if he is on the opening day roster, when that happens he intends to ride the pine nursing his so called tweaked back.
From what I heard there is ZERO chance our FO is going to renegotiate a contract he signed only two years ago because it would set a very bad precedent, which is exactly what I said.

[Hawktawk]

Statistically it appears Peterson is superior but when the season is on the line and in huge games Lynch has been better.Lynch has played 4 years in the NFC West facing extremely tough defenses 6 games out of the year. AP generally pads his game stats with a couple of big runs every game, due to his superior athleticism. Lynch imposes his will on defenses playing behind the #30 ranked line, running over multiple players numerous times a game, making first downs when there is no hole whatsoever. In other words Peterson is 1 yard 2 yards, punt, 25 yards, 1 yard, 15 yards, 50 yards, -2 yards, fumble.Wheres the hardware AP? Wheres the signature moment, the playoff wins? Wheres the beef?

Lynch is Joe Frazier smashing your teeth in every carry.He is also a bit more effective catching the ball out of the backfield and not as prone to the killer fumble. Hes my favorite of the 2 players. And for the record Slim Shady led the league in rushing last year so is he the best? Its apples and oranges. Lynch is as good as anyone and the most feared back to defenders by a mile. Peterson didn't look too good at the Klink last year BTW.

But if he is truly wanting his deal torn up and top money it isn't going to happen. I don't think he would take the dough and quit or he would have in 2012 and I will always respect that. Hes no soft Shawn Alexander. But the great backs who have gotten paid in their late 20's have sealed Lynches fate. He isn't getting paid any more by Seattle.

[kalibane]

It's not an appearance. He is superior. And he sure looked good at the Clink in 2012 when he ran for 182 yards and two TDs.

HC I don't care what you say. Arguing that Lycnh is superior is folly. I know that I'll meet resistance here but it's a Seahawks forum so what else would happen? I will lambaste that argument all day and all night and I'm not going to apologize for it. It's only debatable because technically everything is debatable. Peterson is the better RB and it's not close. Let's talk again five years after they both retire and Adrian Peterson is wearing a gold jacket and Marshawn Lynch is buying a ticket.

P.S. don't start with that durability garbage. Anyone can blow out an ACL. Adrian Peterson has not been injury prone. Put him on the Seahawks in Lynch's place and this team might not lose a game.

[HumanCockroach]

Christ almighty, re read my post I AGREED with your assessment who I felt was better. Pretending it isn't even close is foolish to debate, because Lynch's numbers stack up across the board FAVORABLY to Petersons in the last three years. Durability DOES matter, TD'S DO matter, games played DO matter, as does WINNING,whether you want to admit it or not, as the NFL has hundreds if not thousands of players not wearing those jackets because they couldn't stay healthy. If you're telling me Peterson walks into the HOF based on one amazing season ( and really that is indeed what we are discussing, one magical year) than I think you need to look more closely at how those guys get selected.

Lynch won't be in that elite company, and nor should he be, Peterson probably will be, if he can avoid more tears and serious injuries, that simply doesn't eliminate, what Lynch has done over the last three seasons.

As for a response to the rumor mill. Pass. Don't give two shakes about what Lynch is "expected" to do, what someone says he says to some other player. Until Lynch actually DOES something that isn't hear say and conjecture. I'll wait.

[Futureite]

I'd take Lynch over anyone. He continues to to show up huge in bigtime games. The Beastquake, 40+ yd TD run last yr in the NFC Champ game, and the effect that he has on the opposing D is undeniable. I may bw biased after warching gim in the NFCWest the past couple yrs, but he just seems to get stronger as the game wears on. Peterson is an increduble back ans you couldn't go wrong with either one. But if I need a woekhorse for 4 qtrs and one that can break a team's back with a big run late in the game, I am going with Lynch.

[RiverDog]

It's not an appearance. He is superior. And he sure looked good at the Clink in 2012 when he ran for 182 yards and two TDs.

HC I don't care what you say. Arguing that Lycnh is superior is folly. I know that I'll meet resistance here but it's a Seahawks forum so what else would happen? I will lambaste that argument all day and all night and I'm not going to apologize for it. It's only debatable because technically everything is debatable. Peterson is the better RB and it's not close. Let's talk again five years after they both retire and Adrian Peterson is wearing a gold jacket and Marshawn Lynch is buying a ticket.

P.S. don't start with that durability garbage. Anyone can blow out an ACL. Adrian Peterson has not been injury prone. Put him on the Seahawks in Lynch's place and this team might not lose a game.

I don't mean to get in between you and HC in your mini debate, but I couldn't let that remark fly past me. There isn't a running back in the league, nor one that has played in the last 20 years, that has that kind of impact on an NFL team. As good as Lynch and Peterson are, they are not a critical component that's going to add 3 or 4 games, or a 25% increase in performance, to a team's W/L record.

[Hawktawk]

It's not an appearance. He is superior. And he sure looked good at the Clink in 2012 when he ran for 182 yards and two TDs.

HC I don't care what you say. Arguing that Lycnh is superior is folly. I know that I'll meet resistance here but it's a Seahawks forum so what else would happen? I will lambaste that argument all day and all night and I'm not going to apologize for it. It's only debatable because technically everything is debatable. Peterson is the better RB and it's not close. Let's talk again five years after they both retire and Adrian Peterson is wearing a gold jacket and Marshawn Lynch is buying a ticket.

P.S. don't start with that durability garbage. Anyone can blow out an ACL. Adrian Peterson has not been injury prone. Put him on the Seahawks in Lynch's place and this team might not lose a game.

As I recall 80 of his yards were on 1 huge run.But Browner ran him down LOL. And the Vikes lost the game. He was not a factor late in the game after Harvin was hurt.He played much of his career with Percy Harvin on the field, 2 years with Brett Favre as his QB and Sydney Rice putting up monster seasons. Is he faster? Yes, than almost anyone. Does he have the sharpest cuts? yes. Is he better at lugging the ball for positive yardage in crunch time over and over? NO that's why the motto is "feed the Beast." And Beast has 2 yard more per attempt average in the passing game with more TDs and yards the past 2 years without heading to Europe for some deer antler spray. And while Lynch was in the playoffs in 2012 AP was puking up the ball 9 times on a losing team.
AP is no better, just different. And Id choose Lynch.

[Stream Hawk]

Make the beast happy. He plays to his own choir, but the dude is the soul of this offense. Christine will be comingi in soon enough - and I'd love to see more of him this year - but the beast needs a raise.

I realize "need" is not the correct word here; they are all vastly overpaid. But it is a business and he deserves to a little bump.
Go HAWKS!

[NorthHawk]

Lynch is due to get 7 million this year and 9 million next year as per his contract.
He'll be 29 next year with a lot of mileage on him.

What they could do is renegotiate his contract and roll some of the 2015 salary into this year thus guaranteeing it, but at no overall extra cost.
Lynch could then be paid as one of the top RBs this year, and if he retires he has a wad of cash to leave with.
The team would also clear up money for next year when paying Wilson.
They would still have some room to add a million or so next year on his contract as an extra if that was needed, but getting more money this year might be enough to satisfy him.

That's if this is a true story and not a media creation.

Contract info that I used:
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seah ... awn-lynch/

[Seahawks4Ever]

There is going to be no "feeding of the Beast" because if the FO was to cave in then in two years you would see a parade of Kam, ET, and Richard Sherman demanding the same treatment. Sherman was the highest paid CB for about 10 minutes until another CB on another team signed for a few dollars more. The FO paid Lynch, even guaranteed more than half of his contract which was unprecedented, but in the mean time other RB's have signed new deals making the contract Marshawn signed a bit less attractive, to him. Well, he should fire his agent if he had so little fore sight. Right now, with his holding out and his retirement threats I don't trust Lynch to give his usual 110% if he is going to be pouting, and he IS going to be pouting because there is NO WAY the Seahawks are going to give in to his ABSURD demands. I am figuring that he talked the J.S. and was turned down so now he is trying to bring in public pressure. Sure, that's going to really endure yourself to a HC that never ever throws his players under the bus in public. So, Lynch can either retire or ride or get traded to Cleveland or Miami or maybe Jacksonville IMHO. I am really going to miss his running but I take offense to these antics.

[NorthHawk]

There is going to be no "feeding of the Beast" because if the FO was to cave in then in two years you would see a parade of Kam, ET, and Richard Sherman demanding the same treatment. Sherman was the highest paid CB for about 10 minutes until another CB on another team signed for a few dollars more. The FO paid Lynch, even guaranteed more than half of his contract which was unprecedented, but in the mean time other RB's have signed new deals making the contract Marshawn signed a bit less attractive, to him. Well, he should fire his agent if he had so little fore sight. Right now, with his holding out and his retirement threats I don't trust Lynch to give his usual 110% if he is going to be pouting, and he IS going to be pouting because there is NO WAY the Seahawks are going to give in to his ABSURD demands. I am figuring that he talked the J.S. and was turned down so now he is trying to bring in public pressure. Sure, that's going to really endure yourself to a HC that never ever throws his players under the bus in public. So, Lynch can either retire or ride or get traded to Cleveland or Miami or maybe Jacksonville IMHO. I am really going to miss his running but I take offense to these antics.

So, what exactly is he asking for?
I haven't heard anything but speculation.
The solution to move the money forward would honor the existing contract - just get it to him earlier. That could be advantageous for both sides if it also frees up Cap Space next year.

[c_hawkbob]

Lynch is due to get 7 million this year and 9 million next year as per his contract.
He'll be 29 next year with a lot of mileage on him.

What they could do is renegotiate his contract and roll some of the 2015 salary into this year thus guaranteeing it, but at no overall extra cost.
Lynch could then be paid as one of the top RBs this year, and if he retires he has a wad of cash to leave with.
The team would also clear up money for next year when paying Wilson.
They would still have some room to add a million or so next year on his contract as an extra if that was needed, but getting more money this year might be enough to satisfy him.

That's if this is a true story and not a media creation.

Contract info that I used:
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seah ... awn-lynch/

Actually if you look at your link a little more closely you'll see he's actually due $5M. The $1.5M is a proration of the signing bonus likely already spent. the $.5 roster bonus is an incentive not yet earned.

Actually though looking at those incentives, $500K/game and $1.5M for 1500 yards, he could make himself pretty good money if he stays healthy and produces ... perhaps he'd be happy getting some of those incentives guaranteed ... that wouldn't effect our cap any more than if he hit them anyway, something we have to be allowing for in projections.

[Bird Droppings]

Wow, IG, when you started this thread I bet you had no idea where it would find a needle.

It is not next Tuesday, yet.

We do not know that Mr. Lynch has not already conferred with teammates or management.

We do not know if the Beast is enraged, or even encaged, let alone engaged in any discussions.

Maybe he's just sitting down there smiling at all the conjecture realizing none of it will hurt him.

With all the opinion, here and elsewhere, it is clear nobody wants to see him gone.

Don't be surprised at a restructuring with this coming season his final one.

Just be surprised if he be gone.

He can use more money for his next career.

IG, you started this mess, where are you now?

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[Eaglehawk]

Wow, IG, when you started this thread I bet you had no idea where it would find a needle.

It is not next Tuesday, yet.

We do not know that Mr. Lynch has not already conferred with teammates or management.

We do not know if the Beast is enraged, or even encaged, let alone engaged in any discussions.

Maybe he's just sitting down there smiling at all the conjecture realizing none of it will hurt him.

With all the opinion, here and elsewhere, it is clear nobody wants to see him gone.

Don't be surprised at a restructuring with this coming season his final one.

Just be surprised if he be gone.

He can use more money for his next career.

IG, you started this mess, where are you now?

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Probably on a ship headed to Iran to help them fight the insurgency in Iraq together. The enemy of my enemy...

[Seahawks4Ever]

I am all for taking money in his existing contract that was earmarked as incentives and making it guaranteed salary, he has EARNED that much. Lynch never has needed any "incentive" monetary or otherwise to give every play on every down in every game his total all, that is beyond question. Marshawn Lynch intimidates the defenses he faces and losing him for ANY reason scares me and I am all for the Beast finishing his career here in Seattle and doing that when he is ready and not by injury, trade, or how worn his treads are supposed to be.

Trading for Lynch and then building the offense around him was one of the first moves that Pete Carroll and John Schneider made that first fall. Our Seahawks 7-9 but we had won our division and hosted a WC game against the New Orleans Saints who were only a few years removed from winning their first Super Bowl. Nobody but NO BO DY gave our Hawks any hope that our Seahawks could or would win that game. It turned out to be Matt Hasselbeck's last hurrah but it was also Marshawn Lynch's coming out party here in Seattle. That "Beast Quake" TD run will live on in NFL lore for eternity. It established our offense and our team an identity, an identity of a "tough" team. We were no longer thought of as a "finesse" team we were a tough team who took what was yours and made it ours. It turned out to be a glimpse of what was to come and culminated in our Seahawks winning Super Bowl XLVIII.

Pete and John, but especially John Schneider has worked tirelessly to be able to keep most of the key talent that they have acquired in order to be in position to possibly win multiple Super Bowls, "Win Forever" put to practice. The goal is to be the "Team of the Decade", the NFL's latest dynasty.

Now, one player, a very KEY Player is unhappy, and it appears he has been unhappy for awhile. I have to believe that they have already tried such things as giving him more guaranteed salary out of money that was earmarked as incentives". especially if it wouldn't affect the salary cap. Just think, maybe the FO wouldn't have even had the 2 million (in CAP space) they just paid to Kevin Williams if they had reworked Lynch's contract to the point that it ate up more of the salary cap.

I would hope there was a way to make M.L. happy without throwing the team salary cap structure out the window and without encouraging other players to follow suit themselves a could of years in to their new contracts. Anyway, that is my long winded way of saying that I am sure that if it was easy J.S. and P.C. would have already tried it because I have to believe that though this broke in the media a couple of days ago that Lynch and/or his agent had approached the FO about this right after the season. Oh, and as much as I love Beast Mode I don't love him so much that I would put resigning Russell Wilson in danger.