Kaepernick signs

[c_hawkbob]

[RiverDog]

Well, Harbaugh's done hitched his wagon.

[c_hawkbob]

Well, Harbaugh's done hitched his wagon.

It really was his only play.

[kalibane]

NFL.com saying 126 million 61 guaranteed.

[Futureite]

Love it! Now how much does RW get next yr?

[kalibane]

More unfortunately. I was hoping Kaep came in more around 18.

[burrrton]

Love it! Now how much does RW get next yr?

Shove it, Future.

I think this is rather in line with what everyone expected, but, in this fan's humble opinion, it's over-paying for Kaep, and it's going to end up killing us (if Kaep is worth that, what's RW going to command, assuming current trends hold?).

[kalibane]

Pretty much. Future will probably read it as Kaep Hate but seriously 20 million for a guy with less than 2 seasons of career starts with spots in his game that are visibily deficient. Dude is an electric athlete but this contract is based on pure potential. (And I'll go on record as saying RW will be overpaid too, but at least we got a Super Bowl already).

I'll tell you who the happiest guy is next to Kaep though. Andy Dalton.

[Futureite]

Love it! Now how much does RW get next yr?

Shove it, Future.

I think this is rather in line with what everyone expected, but, in this fan's humble opinion, it's over-paying for Kaep, and it's going to end up killing us (if Kaep is worth that, what's RW going to command, assuming current trends hold?).

Lol I swear I was not chiding with that comment. But I could see how you'd take it that way. Actually the way the rookie syructure is set up both teams could be fine. You have the young guys cheap for a couple yrs. This is why I was so excited about Tank, Lattimore and our draft class. Pete/Schneider have already proven themselves in that regard, and both teams develop UFAs pretty well. No need for it to sink anyone.

[Futureite]

Pretty much. Future will probably read it as Kaep Hate but seriously 20 million for a guy with less than 2 seasons of career starts with spots in his game that are visibily deficient. Dude is an electric athlete but this contract is based on pure potential. (And I'll go on record as saying RW will be overpaid too, but at least we got a Super Bowl already).

I'll tell you who the happiest guy is next to Kaep though. Andy Dalton.

I don't see it as hate. At least not here. You guys are pretty logical overall (even though I got hazed for sucking up in CP fashion when I posted that before). Now on NFL.com there is plenty of hate, but that's why I go here or elsewhere to post. I think Kap has holes in his game like all young QBs do. He has proven each yr to overcome them though, and Baalke noted that in his presser. When he first got here he came from a limited playbook, had horrible mechanics and looked aweful in the preseason. Now he is leading 4th qtr comebacks in the playoffs. Even afyer his "one read QB" struggles midseason, he ended rhe yr with 300 yds on the road and another last minute drive to beat the Cards. No player is probably worth what Kap got paid, but in terms of market value he's proved at least as worthy as Cutler.

[Anthony]

Pretty much. Future will probably read it as Kaep Hate but seriously 20 million for a guy with less than 2 seasons of career starts with spots in his game that are visibily deficient. Dude is an electric athlete but this contract is based on pure potential. (And I'll go on record as saying RW will be overpaid too, but at least we got a Super Bowl already).

I'll tell you who the happiest guy is next to Kaep though. Andy Dalton.

How would Rw be being overpaid? Look at the current QB market, Romo over 18mil, Cutler over 18 mil, Kap around 20 mil. If that is the going rate paying Rw 20 mil would be about right. Now if the going rate was 13 mil then paying RW 20 would be overpaid, but 20 mil is market value, so how is over paying a SB winning, QB who has set records, over paying. What I would be worried about if I were you is what if Cam, Luck, Dalton, or RG3 sign before RW, that 20 mil could go up to 22mil fast. You cannot be overpaid if you are getting the market rate, unless you are inferior and lets get real RW is not inferior to Cutler, Romo, or Kap, and is not inferior to the other soon to be signed QBs, Luck, RG3, Dalton, or Cam.

[HumanCockroach]

I'm fine with the price ( did people really expect less than 20?) But I think that much guaranteed for Kap was a serious gamble by that front office, he might become late Vick, but then again he might not. Ultimately, it boils down to what a player and his agents will accept, and what is acceptable for the franchise. Obviously, Santa Clara was OK with the riskk. It could sink them, but I kind of doubt it. It will become ever increasingly difficult to retain some of their stars, but I'm fairly confident they factored that into their decision. Crabtree probably will be let go, Boldin will retire, a lineman will be aloud to walk, Seattle will be in the same boat shortly. The trick is to find guys to replace those aloud to leave at a fraction of the cost. I'm personally confident Seattle can do that.

[RiverDog]

Love it! Now how much does RW get next yr?

Shove it, Future.

I think this is rather in line with what everyone expected, but, in this fan's humble opinion, it's over-paying for Kaep, and it's going to end up killing us (if Kaep is worth that, what's RW going to command, assuming current trends hold?).

That's my thought, too. You can tack on another 20% of what Kaep signed for when it comes time to sign RW.

I realize that the Niners were pretty much forced to sign him, but I'd be just a little uncomfortable hitching my wagon to Kaep.

[Distant Relative]

Let the meltdown begin! CK isn't the sharpest tool in the shed to say the least and with all that money I can just see his head swell from the fame and fortune. He will have to stay focused and re invent him self into more of a pocket passer and a Defense reader to stay successful in this league. The NFL D's have him figured out just like they did Cam Newton.

I just have a feeling the money and fame will be to much for CK to handle and maintain the same level of play.

[Steady_Hawk]

I just really hope that Wilson sets a tone of not requiring to be the highest paid at his position. Ultimately, this is a great problem to have, but it's a bit frustrating to see one position(albeit a critical one) earn so much with 52 other players on the roster.

[Eaglehawk]

Wilson should get 24-5 million.
Good thing that they can structure it anyway they want. But with ROMO at 18million, what did everyone expect?
Problem is: I don't think Kaep's decision making process is that good and it won't change, IMO. Good for him with the guaranteed money though. Very good.

[mykc14]

As the contract details come out this will be looking like a pretty good deal for the niners, in that his actual numbers will be closer to 16-18 mil a year. The 61 mil guarantee 'might' just be for injury which really isn't that bad while a majority probably is in guaranteed contracts after a certain amount of time, allowing them the freedom to cut him after a year or 2 without much penalty. I don't know if he is 'worth it' really but it isn't a 20 mil contract either. Basically if he does become an all-pro caliber player (which I don't see happening) then they are getting a great deal and if he falls on his face they probably will be able to cut him in a few years without too much of a penalty. IMO this puts RW right where most people have been putting him for awhile, around 18-20 mil (maybe a little more depending on how much the cab goes up next year.

[Futureite]

Let the meltdown begin! CK isn't the sharpest tool in the shed to say the least and with all that money I can just see his head swell from the fame and fortune. He will have to stay focused and re invent him self into more of a pocket passer and a Defense reader to stay successful in this league. The NFL D's have him figured out just like they did Cam Newton.

I just have a feeling the money and fame will be to much for CK to handle and maintain the same level of play.

Haha and today he stated the most expensive things he owns are his couch and his TV and that he's going to keep it that way for a while. I don't think he factored in his shoe collection though . I forsee a huge yr full of 300 yd games. Then again I am an unabashed Kap fan.

[RiverDog]

Let the meltdown begin! CK isn't the sharpest tool in the shed to say the least and with all that money I can just see his head swell from the fame and fortune. He will have to stay focused and re invent him self into more of a pocket passer and a Defense reader to stay successful in this league. The NFL D's have him figured out just like they did Cam Newton.

I just have a feeling the money and fame will be to much for CK to handle and maintain the same level of play.

Haha and today he stated the most expensive things he owns are his couch and his TV and that he's going to keep it that way for a while. I don't think he factored in his shoe collection though . I forsee a huge yr full of 300 yd games. Then again I am an unabashed Kap fan.

Yea, gotta conserve money for all those future legal fees.

[Futureite]

Let the meltdown begin! CK isn't the sharpest tool in the shed to say the least and with all that money I can just see his head swell from the fame and fortune. He will have to stay focused and re invent him self into more of a pocket passer and a Defense reader to stay successful in this league. The NFL D's have him figured out just like they did Cam Newton.

I just have a feeling the money and fame will be to much for CK to handle and maintain the same level of play.

Haha and today he stated the most expensive things he owns are his couch and his TV and that he's going to keep it that way for a while. I don't think he factored in his shoe collection though . I forsee a huge yr full of 300 yd games. Then again I am an unabashed Kap fan.

Yea, gotta conserve money for all those future legal fees.

Don't be mad that his interview didn't match the guy you want him to be! .

[HumanCockroach]

Nice RD.....

[Futureite]

:lol: Nice RD.....

In response to what he can improve on: "I think right now improving on progressions, making the right reads and doing it every play . . .that's what can take this offense to the next level " The guy is an idiot that lifts weights all day. He doesn't get it. And even if he did, he doesn't have the football IQ to execute.

Ok, I'll stop. Lol couldn't resist.

[obiken]

Its so much money, when is some owner/manager/coach, going to say NO player is worth that much, especially IF he wants talent around him. Look at Flacco, the Ravens broke the bank for him, now they are going to struggle. Isaac Ropp here on 1080 the fan says that he hopes Chip Kelly shows some nuts and says no FB player alive is worth 20 million.

obi

[HumanCockroach]

:lol: Nice RD.....

In response to what he can improve on: "I think right now improving on progressions, making the right reads and doing it every play . . .that's what can take this offense to the next level " The guy is an idiot that lifts weights all day. He doesn't get it. And even if he did, he doesn't have the football IQ to execute.

Ok, I'll stop. Lol couldn't resist.

I preferred this line " It's scary to think what Kap can do when he adds a higher football IQ to his freakish athleticism."

Notice the part about needing a "higher football IQ" guess it isn't just us that see's it.

[Futureite]

:lol: Nice RD.....

In response to what he can improve on: "I think right now improving on progressions, making the right reads and doing it every play . . .that's what can take this offense to the next level " The guy is an idiot that lifts weights all day. He doesn't get it. And even if he did, he doesn't have the football IQ to execute.

Ok, I'll stop. Lol couldn't resist.

I preferred this line " It's scary to think what Kap can do when he adds a higher football IQ to his freakish athleticism."

Notice the part about needing a "higher football IQ" guess it isn't just us that see's it.

Kap himself sees it as evidence by the quote I posted! The man's work ethic is 2nd to none, especially when he is called out on a deficiency, so the criticism is the best thing for him and us 49er fans! Greg Roman says he has the smartest football mind he's ever been around and can tell Roman the coverage and ins and outs the minute he steps off the field! I have no idea why I am putting exclamation points by everything tonight!!

[Zorn76]

No matter what RW ends up with, and it's gonna be A LOT, he's still worth it.

He won the Seattle Seahawks a Super Bowl, their first ever. That alone adds millions to whatever deal he gets.

And when you can say that he has an excellent shot at winning at least one more SB - if not 2 - then it further lends itself to him deserving whatever Power Ball contract he receives.

It's that simple.

As for Kaepernick, the 49ers had, essentially, zero leverage in negotiations. What else were they going to do? Without him, they are sunk - for years. If the franchise "gripe" was that he's "only" led them to two NFCCG's and a SB appearance in 2+ seasons as a starter, you've got no leg to stand on. None.

It was SF's only play, and it was expected.

[RiverDog]

Don't be mad that his interview didn't match the guy you want him to be! .

I didn't see the interview. I have no wishes for Kaepernick to be anything but a losing quarterback. I don't need a villain to enjoy our rivalry. Quite the contrary, I'd like to see Kaepernick quit acting like a dork and start behaving like the Face of the Franchise this contract has just made him into. There's a lot of very impressionable kids out there.

[Futureite]

Don't be mad that his interview didn't match the guy you want him to be! .

I didn't see the interview. I have no wishes for Kaepernick to be anything but a losing quarterback. I don't need a villain to enjoy our rivalry. Quite the contrary, I'd like to see Kaepernick quit acting like a dork and start behaving like the Face of the Franchise this contract has just made him into. There's a lot of very impressionable kids out there.

That's good. Maybe kids can see that you can in fact be yourself or listen to rap music and still study hard and pull a 4.0 in school. You should listen to JH's interview on him. Said he is finished with his workout before the sun comes up and puts hours into film study immediately after. Good example for kids and pretty much the opposite of what you all have posted for damn near a yr now! Lol. He just doesn't grab a mic and tell everyone about it. No one is outworking this guy!

[mykc14]

Don't be mad that his interview didn't match the guy you want him to be! .

I didn't see the interview. I have no wishes for Kaepernick to be anything but a losing quarterback. I don't need a villain to enjoy our rivalry. Quite the contrary, I'd like to see Kaepernick quit acting like a dork and start behaving like the Face of the Franchise this contract has just made him into. There's a lot of very impressionable kids out there.

That's good. Maybe kids can see that you can in fact be yourself or listen to rap music and still study hard and pull a 4.0 in school. You should listen to JH's interview on him. Said he is finished with his workout before the sun comes up and puts hours into film study immediately after. Good example for kids and pretty much the opposite of what you all have posted for damn near a yr now! Lol. He just doesn't grab a mic and tell everyone about it. No one is outworking this guy!

This is what would worry me about him if I were a niner fan. "he is the hardest worker," "He watches tons of film," "He's the best football mind Greg Roman has ever seen and can tell him the ins and outs of coverage..." "he has all the physical tools..." If all of those things are true then why are his passing stats so pedestrian? Here's another way to look at it: either all of those things are true, and he just doesn't have 'it' as evidenced by his mediocre passing stats or some of those things we keep hearing aren't true. IF he were as smart as you keep telling us and works as hard as you keep telling us and is athletic as we all can see and has the football IQ that Roman says he has then why in the heck hasn't he put it all together yet? He is OBVIOUSLY missing something, so what is it? He has been in this offense for 3 seasons has had decent weapons his whole career (i know craps was hurt last year but that happens to every team, see RW).

[mykc14]

Don't be mad that his interview didn't match the guy you want him to be! .

I didn't see the interview. I have no wishes for Kaepernick to be anything but a losing quarterback. I don't need a villain to enjoy our rivalry. Quite the contrary, I'd like to see Kaepernick quit acting like a dork and start behaving like the Face of the Franchise this contract has just made him into. There's a lot of very impressionable kids out there.

That's good. Maybe kids can see that you can in fact be yourself or listen to rap music and still study hard and pull a 4.0 in school. You should listen to JH's interview on him. Said he is finished with his workout before the sun comes up and puts hours into film study immediately after. Good example for kids and pretty much the opposite of what you all have posted for damn near a yr now! Lol. He just doesn't grab a mic and tell everyone about it. No one is outworking this guy!

That's not the issue. I have no problem with him liking a certain type of music and having a certain 'image.' If you think his 'act' and 'image' are good for kids then you are missing the whole point, as he probably is. The issue is that kids and most adults in most professions would get fired if they were constantly putting forth that image. Because of his profession he can afford to do it, but if his persona is used as a role model to show kids 'that you can still listen to rap music and get a 4.0' (something that 10s of thousands of other Americans have also accomplished) then thats not really what they are seeing. They aren't seeing him listen to 50 cent and then go and work on a History paper they are seeing him doing interviews with his head phones on dressing like he just woke up. I have no problem with his the persona that he presents but you are the one who claimed him as a positive role model. He has the right to dress and act like he wants but don't paint him as a positive role model to 'rap listeners.'

[burrrton]

Was just listening to Brock and Danny and they're having a conversation about how this contract isn't all that great (giving the team full control to keep or cut him after year 3?).

Anyone know the details about what they're talking about? I haven't looked for links yet.

[mykc14]

This is an amazingly team friendly contract for the niners. They can basically walk away from this after any year with little to no dead money after every season! Also there is a crazy clause in the contract that his contract will decrease by 2 mil/yr until he plays at least 80% of the snaps AND either takes the team to the SB or is 1st or 2nd team all pro. IMO Kaep is going to hate this contract after a few years. His 16, 17, 18...21 mil dollar per year contracts could reduce by 2 mil/per year until that happens, which I think is a long shot. Pretty team friendly and I would be very happy about this contract if I were a niner fan.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... t-details/

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

This is what would worry me about him if I were a niner fan. "he is the hardest worker," "He watches tons of film," "He's the best football mind Greg Roman has ever seen and can tell him the ins and outs of coverage..." "he has all the physical tools..." If all of those things are true then why are his passing stats so pedestrian? Here's another way to look at it: either all of those things are true, and he just doesn't have 'it' as evidenced by his mediocre passing stats or some of those things we keep hearing aren't true. IF he were as smart as you keep telling us and works as hard as you keep telling us and is athletic as we all can see and has the football IQ that Roman says he has then why in the heck hasn't he put it all together yet? He is OBVIOUSLY missing something, so what is it? He has been in this offense for 3 seasons has had decent weapons his whole career (i know craps was hurt last year but that happens to every team, see RW).[/quote]

Have to agree with this. My analogy is two junior engineers we hired; one 18 months ago, the other 12 months ago. Same education level, close enough in start time. They both work hard and work a lot of hours. The guy who just made 12 months is miles ahead of the other. It is all about the quality of time spent. As arduous and time consuming Kaep's study efforts have been, the results haven't showed up on the field. Doesn't mean they won't, but it has yet to be seen. This year will be even more telling of what kind of quarterback he his; all the talent he could ask for around him entering his 4th season. If he can't put it together this year, I don't know when he will.

[HumanCockroach]

Something tells me there is some serious concerns no matter what Harbaugh or Baalke or Roman say, if that is how the contract was structured. Plenty of built in protection, and the ability to bail if he isn't who some say he is. Smart, smart contract and move by that FO.

[burrrton]

This is an amazingly team friendly contract for the niners. They can basically walk away from this after any year with little to no dead money after every season! Also there is a crazy clause in the contract that his contract will decrease by 2 mil/yr until he plays at least 80% of the snaps AND either takes the team to the SB or is 1st or 2nd team all pro. IMO Kaep is going to hate this contract after a few years. His 16, 17, 18...21 mil dollar per year contracts could reduce by 2 mil/per year until that happens, which I think is a long shot. Pretty team friendly and I would be very happy about this contract if I were a niner fan.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... t-details/

That's it. Thanks.

Smart, smart contract and move by that FO.

Yup.

[NorthHawk]

I've always contended that by the time a QB is a starter, it's what's between his ears that will determine his success.
Look at Romo - a guy who plays great during the year stats-wise, but has a history of big gaffes at bad times.
Kaepernick has a little history in that regard, too so he will have to get over that to become the top QB his physical ability says he can be.

The knock as I understand it is he has trouble reading Defenses. That's part of a learning curve and whether he can get over that and then not forget the lessons when the pressure of the situation gets heavy is probably what will determine if the 49ers will keep him.

I give him some slack about how he presents himself. It's not what I would recommend for official appearances, but he's a young guy who wants to be seen as a cool dude. Not a big deal to me.

[c_hawkbob]

Like that contract structure. It provides a hefty payout if the player produces yet it protects the team do a degree is he does not. It should, and I think just might, become the blueprint for all mega-contracts.

[Futureite]

C

This is what would worry me about him if I were a niner fan. "he is the hardest worker," "He watches tons of film," "He's the best football mind Greg Roman has ever seen and can tell him the ins and outs of coverage..." "he has all the physical tools..." If all of those things are true then why are his passing stats so pedestrian? Here's another way to look at it: either all of those things are true, and he just doesn't have 'it' as evidenced by his mediocre passing stats or some of those things we keep hearing aren't true. IF he were as smart as you keep telling us and works as hard as you keep telling us and is athletic as we all can see and has the football IQ that Roman says he has then why in the heck hasn't he put it all together yet? He is OBVIOUSLY missing something, so what is it? He has been in this offense for 3 seasons has had decent weapons his whole career (i know craps was hurt last year but that happens to every team, see RW).

Have to agree with this. My analogy is two junior engineers we hired; one 18 months ago, the other 12 months ago. Same education level, close enough in start time. They both work hard and work a lot of hours. The guy who just made 12 months is miles ahead of the other. It is all about the quality of time spent. As arduous and time consuming Kaep's study efforts have been, the results haven't showed up on the field. Doesn't mean they won't, but it has yet to be seen. This year will be even more telling of what kind of quarterback he his; all the talent he could ask for around him entering his 4th season. If he can't put it together this year, I don't know when he will.[/quote]

His stats were about as pedestrian as Russell Wilson's last yr. So if I have that worry so should you! They were separated by about 150 yds and 4 TDs I believe. Tom Terrific and Andrew Luck also struggled bigtime when they lost their receivers or4 had no rapore with their replacements. Look at Luck's stats for a stretch of games after Wayne went doqn. But the great thing is, I don't need to make excuses for Kap because he is young and has already proven he can play (93.8 career rating, 400 yd game, 2 4th qtr playoff comebacks, etc).

Of course I goated a little bit with my comments. I know how much you guys hate Kap and love to believe RW does things in the offseason Kap or other QBs don't. I was playing up to that a lil' .

[HumanCockroach]

I know I would be pretty damn happy if the Hawks could sign Wilson to a similar deal ( though he deserves better than Kap in that regard), but it is simply a brilliant way to give the player what they want ( the huge contract) while making sure that it doesn't drag the franchise into the wasteland of teams handcuffed by these mega deals if he doesn't improve.

[HumanCockroach]

C

This is what would worry me about him if I were a niner fan. "he is the hardest worker," "He watches tons of film," "He's the best football mind Greg Roman has ever seen and can tell him the ins and outs of coverage..." "he has all the physical tools..." If all of those things are true then why are his passing stats so pedestrian? Here's another way to look at it: either all of those things are true, and he just doesn't have 'it' as evidenced by his mediocre passing stats or some of those things we keep hearing aren't true. IF he were as smart as you keep telling us and works as hard as you keep telling us and is athletic as we all can see and has the football IQ that Roman says he has then why in the heck hasn't he put it all together yet? He is OBVIOUSLY missing something, so what is it? He has been in this offense for 3 seasons has had decent weapons his whole career (i know craps was hurt last year but that happens to every team, see RW).

Have to agree with this. My analogy is two junior engineers we hired; one 18 months ago, the other 12 months ago. Same education level, close enough in start time. They both work hard and work a lot of hours. The guy who just made 12 months is miles ahead of the other. It is all about the quality of time spent. As arduous and time consuming Kaep's study efforts have been, the results haven't showed up on the field. Doesn't mean they won't, but it has yet to be seen. This year will be even more telling of what kind of quarterback he his; all the talent he could ask for around him entering his 4th season. If he can't put it together this year, I don't know when he will.

His stats were about as pedestrian as Russell Wilson's last yr. So if I have that worry so should you! They were separated by about 150 yds and 4 TDs I believe. Tom Terrific and Andrew Luck also struggled bigtime when they lost their receivers or4 had no rapore with their replacements. Look at Luck's stats for a stretch of games after Wayne went doqn. But the great thing is, I don't need to make excuses for Kap because he is young and has already proven he can play (93.8 career rating, 400 yd game, 2 4th qtr playoff comebacks, etc).

Of course I goated a little bit with my comments. I know how much you guys hate Kap and love to believe RW does things in the offseason Kap or other QBs don't. I was playing up to that a lil' .[/quote]

You're right, only four more TD's and about 150 yards, course Wilson threw the ball 148 times less than Kap , so what is that? 1.1 Yard per attempt and a -.25 TD ratio? Yep, exactly the same.