Trade K9?

[Oly]

Higher up the thread I said that Walker's poor vision is why I favored Charbs. This analysis shows that he hasn't gotten any better. I'd definitely start fielding offers because I'm just not convinced that he's going to start reading blocking any better than he has shown so far.

[NorthHawk]

Trade K9 for what? A 7th round pick...maybe?

If (and it's a big if) they are trading for another player then he could be a throw-in to perhaps mitigate the trade compensation.

[River Dog]

Trade K9 for what? A 7th round pick...maybe?

Any team that wants him is going to have to divvy up more than a 7th round pick. We might as well take our chances on being awarded a comp pick by letting him walk in free agency if that's the best we can get.

I remind you guys that are defending him that this is the last year of his rookie contract, and it's blatantly obvious that he is not a good fit for this system (See the link in Oly's post). And that's before we consider his injury history. If we don't plan on re-signing him next year, likely to an overvalued contract, the smart move would be to trade him if a decent offer is made. It's better than letting him walk.

The trading deadline is Nov. 11th. There's a good chance that they'll be a team or two that's desperate for a running back by then and might be willing to overpay for Walker.

[Aseahawkfan]

Any team that wants him is going to have to divvy up more than a 7th round pick. We might as well take our chances on being awarded a comp pick by letting him walk in free agency if that's the best we can get.

I remind you guys that are defending him that this is the last year of his rookie contract, and it's blatantly obvious that he is not a good fit for this system (See the link in Oly's post). And that's before we consider his injury history. If we don't plan on re-signing him next year, likely to an overvalued contract, the smart move would be to trade him if a decent offer is made. It's better than letting him walk.

The trading deadline is Nov. 11th. There's a good chance that they'll be a team or two that's desperate for a running back by then and might be willing to overpay for Walker.

Why would they have to give up more than a 7th round pick? What has he done and showed that makes him worth more than a bottom of the barrel pick on a flier he might stay healthy and improve? What would you pay if a GM for K9?

I would pay nothing. I wouldn't even make the trade unless I was desperate for something. I'd pay no more than a 7th round pick. If the Seahawks refused, I'd find some other oft-injured RB that can't get it done to pay a 7th round pick for.

Do you think K9 is worth a comp pick? I'm having trouble seeing it.

[4XPIPS]

Can we put this to rest till next season? K9 balled out and ran tough. As the offensive line develops an identity we can expect better games from K9

[Aseahawkfan]

Can we put this to rest till next season? K9 balled out and ran tough. As the offensive line develops an identity we can expect better games from K9

Yes. No one has offered anything for him. If he keeps performing like he did today, we'll get a nice comp pick for him if he walks. What I don't want to do is get hyped on a guy that can't stay healthy again or pay too much. We'll see where K9 is as the season progresses.

[River Dog]

Can we put this to rest till next season? K9 balled out and ran tough. As the offensive line develops an identity we can expect better games from K9

We'll officially put it to bed on November 5th, the trading deadline. Until then, despite the fact that Walker had a great game, my position remains unchanged.

[Agent 86]

Can we put this to rest till next season? K9 balled out and ran tough. As the offensive line develops an identity we can expect better games from K9

This I agree with. I came and ate some crow after week #1 as I predicted a big game for K9 in and said he would more than double Charbonnet's carries. That didn't happen and K9 didn't look good.

But yesterday was a great example of the difference in "skill" level between the two. K9 is so much more dynamic. He still had probably 3-4 carries where he stopped behind the LOS and went east/west instead of just getting the 2-3 yards that were there, whereas Charbonnet will typically just plow ahead for those couple yards.

I hope we hold onto him, evaluate his season, and if he stays healthy, will be considered for a re-signing. I still think he has top 10 RB talent in the league in terms of his pure skill. And he also seems like a good dude in his interviews, well spoken, and liked by his teammates. This offense will evolved week to week, and I expect K9 to get better as the season rolls on in this new scheme. Just a question of health.

[NorthHawk]

I think we have to look a couple of years down the road before making this decision.
How much will he cost to keep and would trading him bring more in return than a compensatory pick (and what round be expected if he was not re-signed)? Is letting him go meaning they can make up his productivity by other means?
There are probably other considerations as well.

[River Dog]

I think we have to look a couple of years down the road before making this decision.
How much will he cost to keep and would trading him bring more in return than a compensatory pick (and what round be expected if he was not re-signed)? Is letting him go meaning they can make up his productivity by other means?
There are probably other considerations as well.

This.

It depends on what's offered, where we are at the moment, what the RB class coming out of college looks like, our confidence in Charbs, and so on.

If someone offers up a #2 for him, I'm jumping on it like a chicken on a June bug. If it's a 7th rounder, no way, Jose. But we definitely don't close the door simply because he had one good game after a horrible one.

[4XPIPS]

This.

It depends on what's offered, where we are at the moment, what the RB class coming out of college looks like, our confidence in Charbs, and so on.

If someone offers up a #2 for him, I'm jumping on it like a chicken on a June bug. If it's a 7th rounder, no way, Jose. But we definitely don't close the door simply because he had one good game after a horrible one.

I disagree; this idea of entertaining offers right now isn't logical. The first game, I primarily base his low production on basic, predictable play calling and K9's first real action of the season. I do think he shares some of the blame, but K9 is in his prime and has that home run hitting ability.

3rd and Goal, from the 19-yard line! We are running the ball to bleed the clock and position for a FG, and what does K9 do.. he clutches it with a closing TD. Now we can argue that it was against a very depleted Steelers defense, but the top tailbacks have a born instinct to finish strong.

We can never have enough healthy tailbacks, and as much as I love Zach as well, both need to stay all season, and kick any idea of trading them before the trade deadline. If we go 1-6 before the trade deadline, then maybe throw the idea out. The biggest decision for him will be around the end of the year, and if he even stays healthy all season, which I predict he will miss a few games.

[River Dog]

This.

It depends on what's offered, where we are at the moment, what the RB class coming out of college looks like, our confidence in Charbs, and so on.

If someone offers up a #2 for him, I'm jumping on it like a chicken on a June bug. If it's a 7th rounder, no way, Jose. But we definitely don't close the door simply because he had one good game after a horrible one.

I disagree; this idea of entertaining offers right now isn't logical. The first game, I primarily base his low production on basic, predictable play calling and K9's first real action of the season. I do think he shares some of the blame, but K9 is in his prime and has that home run hitting ability.

3rd and Goal, from the 19-yard line! We are running the ball to bleed the clock and position for a FG, and what does K9 do.. he clutches it with a closing TD. Now we can argue that it was against a very depleted Steelers defense, but the top tailbacks have a born instinct to finish strong.

We can never have enough healthy tailbacks, and as much as I love Zach as well, both need to stay all season, and kick any idea of trading them before the trade deadline. If we go 1-6 before the trade deadline, then maybe throw the idea out. The biggest decision for him will be around the end of the year, and if he even stays healthy all season, which I predict he will miss a few games.

Even if we have no intentions of trading him, why wouldn't we entertain trade offers? If nothing else, it gives you a feel for what the market value for running backs is and how desperate some teams might be, valuable info for some other possible trade down the road. And who knows. Maybe someone will make us an offer we can't refuse.

This is a poker game as much as it is anything else. Making other GM's think that K9 is on the trading block might run up the price of running backs if, for example, the Niners are looking to acquire one, it might make them overpay.

[c_hawkbob]

Now it's Charbonnet showing up on the injury report with a bum foot. Good thing we still have both of them. Depth, quality depth at RB is critical.