Geno wanting a new contract, thoughts?

[4XPIPS]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/geno ... %20signing.

When this was first talked about I thought it was a rumor, but it has been confirmed Geno is looking for a longer extension. I wasn't quite sure how to feel about this because I think he does give us the best change to win now, and even though Howell has looked good this preseason it's tough to say how well he would play with someone like Bosa chasing him down. They like to talk about his age being 34, but he doesn't have a lot of mileage on him considering he has been QB2 for a good chunk of his career. I think this becomes more difficult considering how well Howell has played. If Howell came out and played like PJ Walker, I think it would be a no brainer to re-up Geno for a few more years till we draft our QBOTF. However, Howell has looked pretty decent, and I would actually like to see him play against starters at some point, but that would required Geno to get benched or hurt.

Geno's one magical year earned him that contract, but that was 2022 and Dave Canales was his QB coach, and there is no guarantee he may even come close to duplicating those numbers after what we saw last year. There were stretches last year where he looked well below average, but I am just not sold extending him would be the smartest move. QB is the most important position on any NFL team, and it's important for Schneider and Co to get it right, and if make the wrong decision or tie up money with an aging QB, it could be awhile before we can recover from it.

[Aseahawkfan]

If it were me, I'd trade Geno for the most value I could get, let the season play out as it will play out with Howell, the draft the future. I don't think Geno is a Super Bowl caliber QB, not even a great playoff QB. He's a bridge QB, so if we can squeeze some trade value out of a bridge QB, I'd do it.

I'm not interested in mediocre contention this year. I want to build a strong team in the next few years and I don't see Geno as part of that equation. Dropping his contract would help us sign some other quality players while we develop a cheap QB.

That's how I'd do it. Maybe if Geno has a good year, they make the trade or some contending team loses their QB and we can get a quality trade for Geno.

[4XPIPS]

If it were me, I'd trade Geno for the most value I could get, let the season play out as it will play out with Howell, the draft the future. I don't think Geno is a Super Bowl caliber QB, not even a great playoff QB. He's a bridge QB, so if we can squeeze some trade value out of a bridge QB, I'd do it.

I'm not interested in mediocre contention this year. I want to build a strong team in the next few years and I don't see Geno as part of that equation. Dropping his contract would help us sign some other quality players while we develop a cheap QB.

That's how I'd do it. Maybe if Geno has a good year, they make the trade or some contending team loses their QB and we can get a quality trade for Geno.

I like this idea a lot, but there are so many factors that would have to come into play for this work. We couldn't get much for him now, and it would be a trade further down the road in the season closer to the deadline when a team that is contending needs a veteran. Let's say we are above .500 near the trade deadline and Geno is playing decent, I can't see us trading him away as he gives us the best chance to win. If we are above .500 and he is playing poorly and Howell is the better option, sure I can see him being traded but the return would be very low.

I like your idea of getting value for him, but trading him away would be difficult. With the QB market blowing up on these massive guarantees he does come to us at a fair price $26 mil per year. i mean QBs like Kyler @ $46 mil per year and Trevor@ $55 mil per are way overpaid for what they have accomplished thus far. I like the idea, but doesn't answer if we extend him or not.

[curmudgeon]

Trade Geno. Let someone else overpay. Prep for future, it’s bright…….

[Spohawk5092]

I think Gino saw how well Howell looks and decided he could be a threat...just my take.

[River Dog]

I don't want to tie up a bunch of money in a 34 year old QB. Geno is a good bridge quarterback and is OK if all you want to be is a .500ish, one and done playoff team, but he's not our future. If he doesn't want to play under his current contract, of which was just extended last season, then to hell with him, trade him and let's roll the dice with Sam Howell.

[NorthHawk]

When he was a FA after his best year, there weren't any serious bidders for him, so it would lead me to believe that he isn't considered a top QB in the NFL but maybe a lower 2nd or top 3rd level QB.
His age is working against him as noted in a previous post but I could see the Seahawks sweeten his current deal a little as the average starting QB compensation is very high. Maybe a smaller increase in salary but a little more guaranteed and again a lot of incentives?

[Spohawk5092]

I don't want to tie up a bunch of money in a 34 year old QB. Geno is a good bridge quarterback and is OK if all you want to be is a .500ish, one and done playoff team, but he's not our future. If he doesn't want to play under his current contract, of which was just extended last season, then to hell with him, trade him and let's roll the dice with Sam Howell.

I hear you.

[NorthHawk]

At this point next years draft doesn't look like a good year for QBs like we've see the last couple of years. However there are always QBs in College who develop or are in a great system for them who unexpectedly rise or simply mature and become decent prospects. It's easy to say draft a QB next year but we have to be in a position to be able to get one of the best or be able to move up for one. That means having a bad season.
As far as trading Geno? What team would want him knowing he wants to be paid more than he is currently? I think the market is quite small for him at the moment.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

It's not warranted right now and not ever.

2022 was a good season marred by a bad defense. 2023 was an okay season marred by a bad defense. Both records were 9-8 with one playoff loss in 2022. Even if he does well this season, I'm with the posters that say you don't invest in a 34 year old quarterback. He's not P. Manning or Brady who can lead a team to the promised land late in their career. In other words, you can't insert Geno into the Broncos and Tampa Bay Superbowl worth rosters and have him get you there and win.

The only way the front office even considers an extension/new contract is a great performance this season, and that would at least entail a playoff win maybe even winning the division. Even then, I say age will keep them away from it.

[4XPIPS]

Geno being 34 is a bit scary, considering how many QB's play just drastically drops in their mid 30s, and of course there are some exceptions like Brady, Rodgers and Manning but those are hall of famers.

Which makes this whole idea of acquiring Sam Howell interesting. I know it's just two preseason games, and he started on a dysfunctional Commanders team last year behind a horrid o-line, but why not invest our resources into how far Howell can take us. He is only 23, which is same age as Bo Nix, and Jadyen Daniels, and 3 years younger than Michael Penix. He is right in that mix where we can build around him.

All I heard through camp was Geno was far ahead of Sam, but it has to be quite eye opening to see how well Sam has played thus far, throwing with backups and playing against backups. Sam does show some arm talent that I wasn't expecting. I was hoping the QB1 was an open competition, but for this year they announced Geno is the starter. So we shall see. Good news is that after this season we clear nearly $31 mil in dead money(J Adams, and Q Diggs) off the books so next season we can be more aggressive in FA.

[NorthHawk]

According to Spotrac, the Seahawks will be about $14.7 M over the Cap. If they cut Lockett, they could save about $26.9 M and they could re-sign DK for a much lower Cap hit (currently his 2025 Cap hit is $29.5 M). So they have some options to reduce the Cap and give some flexibility.

Regarding Howell, I heard Mike Lombardi touch on Howell and said he’s still recovering from the beating he took last year when he was the most sacked and 2nd most hurried QB in the league. Apparently according to Lombardi, Howell’s eyes are still lowered when passing instead of looking downfield. It may take a while for him to get past that.

[4XPIPS]

According to Spotrac, the Seahawks will be about $14.7 M over the Cap. If they cut Lockett, they could save about $26.9 M and they could re-sign DK for a much lower Cap hit (currently his 2025 Cap hit is $29.5 M). So they have some options to reduce the Cap and give some flexibility.

Regarding Howell, I heard Mike Lombardi touch on Howell and said he’s still recovering from the beating he took last year when he was the most sacked and 2nd most hurried QB in the league. Apparently according to Lombardi, Howell’s eyes are still lowered when passing instead of looking downfield. It may take a while for him to get past that.

I wouldn't trust anything that comes out of Mike Lombardi mouth. He has been a failed project everywhere he has worked, and he famously shamed the Eagles for hiring Doug Pederson, and staking his wasn't an NFL Coach, and shortly after Pederson won a SB. I am shocked anyone would still hire him to comment on football.

His analysis on Howell is very poor, has he not watched Howell this preseason? Maybe he is right that being sacked that many times has taught a few lessons, but Howell has looked pretty solid downfield. Again, I am not advocating that Howell is QBOTF but the potential might be there.

[River Dog]

According to Spotrac, the Seahawks will be about $14.7 M over the Cap. If they cut Lockett, they could save about $26.9 M and they could re-sign DK for a much lower Cap hit (currently his 2025 Cap hit is $29.5 M). So they have some options to reduce the Cap and give some flexibility.

Regarding Howell, I heard Mike Lombardi touch on Howell and said he’s still recovering from the beating he took last year when he was the most sacked and 2nd most hurried QB in the league. Apparently according to Lombardi, Howell’s eyes are still lowered when passing instead of looking downfield. It may take a while for him to get past that.

I wouldn't trust anything that comes out of Mike Lombardi mouth. He has been a failed project everywhere he has worked, and he famously shamed the Eagles for hiring Doug Pederson, and staking his wasn't an NFL Coach, and shortly after Pederson won a SB. I am shocked anyone would still hire him to comment on football.

His analysis on Howell is very poor, has he not watched Howell this preseason? Maybe he is right that being sacked that many times has taught a few lessons, but Howell has looked pretty solid downfield. Again, I am not advocating that Howell is QBOTF but the potential might be there.

Honest question: How can a sportswriter determine whether or not a quarterback's eyes are lowered when he drops back to pass? Do they have videos that can zoom in and see the angle they're at? How do they know exactly what he's looking at whether it's a LB or a TE?

The acquisition of Howell is much like our acquiring Drew Lock. Odds are that he's not going to be our QBOTF, but he's worth a shot. The risk/benefit ratio is very favorable.

[NorthHawk]

He's not just a sportswriter, he's a former GM, Assistant Coach, and Executive with 3 SB rings.
The comment was made when discussing the young QBs and possibly having their careers derailed if they aren't ready for the NFL or as in the case with the Commanders last year having a terrible OL and no run game to help.

[River Dog]

He's not just a sportswriter, he's a former GM, Assistant Coach, and Executive with 3 SB rings.
The comment was made when discussing the young QBs and possibly having their careers derailed if they aren't ready for the NFL or as in the case with the Commanders last year having a terrible OL and no run game to help.

I know who Mike Lombardi is. My comment was more about how anyone not associated with the team can make the observations that he claims to have made.

It would not be surprising that Howell is really gun shy after his experience with the Commanders. David Carr might have turned out to be a decent QB if he hadn't been ruined by having to play for a bad team.

[c_hawkbob]

Geno doesn't have the leverage to hold out this year. He's not that big a star and the drop off from he to the guy behind him may not be all that great. I say he plays this year, holds out and gets traded next year.

[NorthHawk]

I know who Mike Lombardi is. My comment was more about how anyone not associated with the team can make the observations that he claims to have made.

We saw it with Wilson in his time here when the OL play was particularly bad, so it would be fairly easy for someone who has spent his career evaluating players to watch film and see things we might not.

He might be wrong about Howell, but I think it’s unwise to summarily dismiss his comments.

[4XPIPS]

He's not just a sportswriter, he's a former GM, Assistant Coach, and Executive with 3 SB rings.
The comment was made when discussing the young QBs and possibly having their careers derailed if they aren't ready for the NFL or as in the case with the Commanders last year having a terrible OL and no run game to help.

Failure as GM with the browns, he was an "Assistant to the Coaching staff" with the Patriots, not an Assistant Coach. Big difference there. I seriously doubt he had much to do with the Pats winning their rings. Look I don't think I know more football than Michael Lombardi, and nor do I think he doesn't deserve a voice in the NFL. However, he has massive track history of making horrific statements in the NFL. One thing I do respect is that he did eat his words and admit that he was totally wrong about Doug Pederson, and was public about it. Reason why I seriously can't stand people like Adam Rank who predicts the win'/losses every year(if you seen his latest on the Hawks 2024, go watch it.. your eyes will water), and Mel Kiper Jr who said he would retire if Jimmy Clausen wasn't successful after 8 years.

[NorthHawk]

What he does is regularly get together with other former executives and coaches including Belichick and go over film with them and discuss players, teams, needs and other things.
Spending hours doing that with others who are more successful can provide an insight as to how others view players.
When I hear someone like him talk about a player it spurs me to check out what they are saying. They just might be right.

[River Dog]

I know who Mike Lombardi is. My comment was more about how anyone not associated with the team can make the observations that he claims to have made.

We saw it with Wilson in his time here when the OL play was particularly bad, so it would be fairly easy for someone who has spent his career evaluating players to watch film and see things we might not.

He might be wrong about Howell, but I think it’s unwise to summarily dismiss his comments.

Seeing film is one thing. But seeing his eyes, know what he's looking at?

I'm not dismissing Lombardi's comments. They are very believable as Howell was literally on the firing line last season, and it would be very understandable if he was doing what Lombardi claims. I'm just questioning the part about seeing his eyes and knowing what he's looking at. That seems pretty incredible to me.

[NorthHawk]

Sure you can see it. We can on TV and we saw it with Wilson at times, too. We discussed it in this forum at the time.