Hawks Place Abe Lucas, 6 Others On PUP List

[River Dog]

It's a disappointment that Abe Lucas is on the list, but not surprising. Hopefully, he's ready by the time the season starts.

The Seattle Seahawks announced seven players on Thursday that have been placed on the physically unable to perform (PUP) list ahead of training camp next week.

The list includes several recognizable names, most notably both of Seattle’s key linebacker signings this offseason.

The full Seahawks PUP list is:

• RT Abraham Lucas
• LB Jerome Baker
• LB Tyrel Dodson
• CB Lance Boykin
• S Jerrick Reed II
• LB Drake Thomas
• NT Cameron Young

Seattle also announced five players that have been played on the non-football injury (NFI) list:

• G Anthony Bradford
• LB Easton Gibbs
• CB D.J. James
• CB Nehemiah Pritchett
• WR Dee Williams

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1778745/ ... ning-camp/


Camp opens next Wednesday 7/25.

[NorthHawk]

I look at the Lucas inclusion as a precautionary move. If there is still some rehab to be done, it keeps his competitive streak in check so he doesn't re-injure himself or set back his recovery.
Of the others on the NFI list, it's disappointing to see any on it, but things like sore backs or slight muscle pulls can put a player on that list.

[River Dog]

I look at the Lucas inclusion as a precautionary move. If there is still some rehab to be done, it keeps his competitive streak in check so he doesn't re-injure himself or set back his recovery.
Of the others on the NFI list, it's disappointing to see any on it, but things like sore backs or slight muscle pulls can put a player on that list.

There's a lot of linebackers on that list, and we're already a little thin at the position. But, like you said, teams are generally overly cautious this time of year.

[NorthHawk]

It's going to be interesting how they approach the LB situation. Like you said that area is already light on bodies so might they have some scheme change to paper over the holes when the inevitable injuries occur?
Maybe they are looking for LB cuts from other teams to add more players, but I guess they had to make some type of sacrifice if they wanted to fix the issues on the DL and with limited Cap space. Overthecap has the Seahawks at about $20M over next year so some creative signings/cuts might be in order next year, too. And it will be the last year of DK's contract so they will have to decide what they want to do with him in an era of skyrocketing prices for WRs. Maybe draft a QB and start Howell thus saving about $26M from Geno not being re-signed and having a low Cap number for a couple of years with DK in a longer term contract? It's going to be interesting.

[River Dog]

It's going to be interesting how they approach the LB situation. Like you said that area is already light on bodies so might they have some scheme change to paper over the holes when the inevitable injuries occur?
Maybe they are looking for LB cuts from other teams to add more players, but I guess they had to make some type of sacrifice if they wanted to fix the issues on the DL and with limited Cap space. Overthecap has the Seahawks at about $20M over next year so some creative signings/cuts might be in order next year, too. And it will be the last year of DK's contract so they will have to decide what they want to do with him in an era of skyrocketing prices for WRs. Maybe draft a QB and start Howell thus saving about $26M from Geno not being re-signed and having a low Cap number for a couple of years with DK in a longer term contract? It's going to be interesting.

Yeah, the linebacker situation, especially ILB, is in some serious need of help. With the exception of the interior OL, it's the weakest position group on the team. I thought that we might sign Patrick Queen during free agency, but I guess he was probably too expensive. Hopefully, somebody rises to the occasion. What is it that Pete used to say? "Next man up!"

[NorthHawk]

It's a disappointment that Abe Lucas is on the list, but not surprising. Hopefully, he's ready by the time the season starts.

The Seattle Seahawks announced seven players on Thursday that have been placed on the physically unable to perform (PUP) list ahead of training camp next week.

The list includes several recognizable names, most notably both of Seattle’s key linebacker signings this offseason.

The full Seahawks PUP list is:

• RT Abraham Lucas
• LB Jerome Baker
• LB Tyrel Dodson
• CB Lance Boykin
• S Jerrick Reed II
• LB Drake Thomas
• NT Cameron Young

Seattle also announced five players that have been played on the non-football injury (NFI) list:

• G Anthony Bradford
• LB Easton Gibbs
• CB D.J. James
• CB Nehemiah Pritchett
• WR Dee Williams

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1778745/ ... ning-camp/


Camp opens next Wednesday 7/25.

Guard Anthony Bradford has been taken off of the NFI list as of today (Sunday July 21st)
We need all of the depth at Guard we can get for at least competition sake if not developing into a starter.

[NorthHawk]

Yeah, the linebacker situation, especially ILB, is in some serious need of help. With the exception of the interior OL, it's the weakest position group on the team. I thought that we might sign Patrick Queen during free agency, but I guess he was probably too expensive. Hopefully, somebody rises to the occasion. What is it that Pete used to say? "Next man up!"

I see LBs being signed by other teams on a regular basis these last few days. It makes me wonder if the Cap situation is so tight they can't afford one or they are going to do something radical with their Defense.
I guess we will see in a few weeks.

[Irish Greg 2.0]

I see LBs being signed by other teams on a regular basis these last few days. It makes me wonder if the Cap situation is so tight they can't afford one or they are going to do something radical with their Defense.
I guess we will see in a few weeks.

I read it as they are just being really cautious with Dodson and Baker. Regrettably, they have missed a lot of the on-field portion of the off-season install. But, the fact JS hasn't panic moved to sign a backer indicates to me they aren't overly worried. They currently have plenty of cap space (about $8.4 million per OTC), so there is some room to sign a vet after roster cut downs if they have to.

[NorthHawk]

I think they will be forced to sign a LB from another squad if only for depth as it's not too encouraging that at least one of the expected starters is recovering from some type of issue.
We'll see how it all plays out.

[Irish Greg 2.0]

They currently have 15 "linebackers" rostered, a combination of the different positions Macdonald uses in his scheme.

3 are on PUP (Dodson, Baker and Thomas) and 1 is on NFI (Gibbs).

The remaining 11:

Sunny Anderson (R)
Nelson Ceaser (R)
Derick Hall
Tyrice Knight (R)
Boye Mafe
Uchenna Nwosu
Patrick O'Connell
Josh Onujiogu
Jon Rhattigan
Devin Richardson (R)
Darrell Taylor

Looking at that list, there are a lot of pass rusher / Will types. Hall is probably going to be a Sam. Mike is definitely still a concern, so I expect to see Knight getting some reps there.

[4XPIPS]

I am very bullish on Tyrice Knight. I think he is going to be the best player to come out of this draft. It won't be right away, but once he develops and picks up the new Defensive scheme I can see him and Murphy be a staple for quite some time.

[NorthHawk]

I'm more concerned with the ILB's who are usually a lot bigger. As IG showed, we are fairly heavy on OLB/Edge players, but inside looks pretty thin at the moment - at least experience wise.
Since I don't yet know how MacDonald intends to use the LBs, maybe within the basic scheme of his Defense it isn't as big of a concern as it might be in a traditional 3-4 style Defense.
It's going to be fun to find out what this group of defensive players responsibilities are within the defensive schemes.

[River Dog]

Yeah, as I mentioned in the other thread, ILB is one of the biggest concerns, especially considering the injury list.

Both offensively and defensively, we're weak up the middle, with question marks on the OL, the DL, and at safety. Of course, it's all on paper at this point in the season, but it's something on both sides of the LOS that's deserving of our attention.

[NorthHawk]

I think the DL should be much improved up the middle with the additions of Hankins and Murphy. They can have a true rotation once they are all on the same page with Reed and Young and maybe one of the younger players if they take a step up.
The ILB to me is more of a question mark at this point but we will see how those positions are used.

[River Dog]

I think the DL should be much improved up the middle with the additions of Hankins and Murphy. They can have a true rotation once they are all on the same page with Reed and Young and maybe one of the younger players if they take a step up.
The ILB to me is more of a question mark at this point but we will see how those positions are used.

I agree, although it remains to be seen how they'll be utilized, the interior DL doesn't look to be nearly as weak as ILB and IOL.

What I'm mostly concerned about is what they intend to do about the center position, which up until now, has been basically nothing. I am not at all convinced that Olu is the answer to what has been a problem for nearly a decade.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Hankins is a prototypical NT, so he should pay immediate dividends if he stays healthy; he's 32 years old. With him, Reed, and Young, I don't see the inside DL as a problem.

ILB his dependent on the FA acquisitions panning out. The bar wasn't very high, but they are both on PUP, so that's concerning.

They likely won't do much more at the C position than what they already have. Yeah, they are bringing in a UDFA from NDSU and taking look at the C from Miami who tore his knee up in Week 14 last season, but I'm not expecting much from those moves. Then there's Olu, Harris, and Novitsky (R). Little to no NFL PT among those three, though Olu has the best resume. It's also not surprising a rookie will have some struggles when adjusting to the NFL. Ultimately, what more can they do? Teams aren't cutting starting centers. Even if they were, Seattle will have a hard time affording one. Mason Cole is about the only reasonable option available, but he was cut back in February from the Steelers after starting for two seasons and hasn't been signed. Got to hope and pray they make something work with what they have.

[NorthHawk]

The Center from Miami recovering from a knee injury is Connor Williams who started 77 games for Miami.
If he's healthy enough to play, it would fit the pattern of JS signing another IOL to a prove it deal for cheap. Then he won't want to pay the going rate for a starting Center and let him go next year leaving us with the same hole to fill and no experienced Center on the roster except with Olu on his last year of his rookie contract where he won't be re-signed and go off to a solid career on another team. It seems to be the way JS looks at the IOL as over valued and over priced.

[River Dog]

The Center from Miami recovering from a knee injury is Connor Williams who started 77 games for Miami.
If he's healthy enough to play, it would fit the pattern of JS signing another IOL to a prove it deal for cheap. Then he won't want to pay the going rate for a starting Center and let him go next year leaving us with the same hole to fill and no experienced Center on the roster except with Olu on his last year of his rookie contract where he won't be re-signed and go off to a solid career on another team. It seems to be the way JS looks at the IOL as over valued and over priced.

Wow, great insight, North Hawk! The Hawks visited with Williams today:

The Seattle Seahawks are hosting free agent center Connor Williams for a visit on Tuesday, according to a report by Adam Schefter at ESPN.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/se ... cc0a5&ei=9

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

That’s the C from Miami I mentioned that tore his knee up (ACL) in Week 14 (mid December) last season. I’ll be surprised if he’s anywhere close to being ready to play. Could be a good move if they can stash him, but I don’t this is immediate help.

They did sign Jalen Sundell, C, NDSH, and Baker and Dodson came off PUP.

ETA: Williams is purportedly looking to be ready to play by the start of the season. Guessing he’ll miss training camp and preseason if that’s true. 8-9 months is mighty quick to turn around for an ACL on a big guy. Fingers crossed.

ETA2: Williams wedding pictures show him to very light on weight. He looks like he needs time to get in to game form. He’s also talking to multiple teams.

[Agent 86]

Good news on some more names being activated in time for the start of camp, including ILB's Dodson and Baker.

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2024/7/23/24204813/seahawks-activate-tyrel-dodson-jerome-baker-off-pup-list-nfl-training-camp-2024

[NorthHawk]

That's good news on the LB front. I hope they both can last the season but I think maybe another ILB cut from another team might be in the cards for competition and depth.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Just got the two rookie CBs from Auburn off the NFI, so that's a little more good news.

They also signed Ilm Manning, OG out of Hawaii who bounced around the 49ers, Cardinals, and Panthers last season as a rookie UDFA pickup. Smallish but athletic guard.

[NorthHawk]

Apparently MacDonald said in a press conference that Lucas will remain on the PUP list and it sounded like it may be a while if he plays this year if at all.
I don't know what to make of it at the moment but they did sign Fant just for this occurrence.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

And McClendon Curtis has been taking snaps at RT. He's got the frame for it, and Macdonald said that's likely where he'll be practicing in camp. Seems support Lucas being a long way out from getting back.

And the meeting with Connor Williams supposedly went well and he passed his physical. I'm really blown away he was able to pass a team physical after tearing an ACL in mid December. Good for him, and good for the Seahawks if they reach a good deal.

Julian Love is also being extended, and he has the same agent as Connor Williams. Maybe there's no connection, but perhaps the freeing up of cap space at the same time as the meeting with Williams with the same agent might be a good sign.

[NorthHawk]

That is a quick turnaround for Connor Williams, but I wonder if it was a partial tear or complete tear of his ACL. I'm no doctor, but maybe if it was a partial tear it could heal faster?
I hope he's 100% or close if we sign him and can last the year but Olu is working with the ones so far in TC.
They seemed to like Julian Love last year so it's no surprise they would extend him and like you said it could free up some Cap space for Williams and maybe an ILB if the opportunity arises.

[River Dog]

I'm wondering if there wasn't some politics going on with that physical Williams passed. If he passes our physical, is he more likely to sign with us vs. a team who's physical he didn't pass?

[4XPIPS]

Apparently MacDonald said in a press conference that Lucas will remain on the PUP list and it sounded like it may be a while if he plays this year if at all.
I don't know what to make of it at the moment but they did sign Fant just for this occurrence.

It didn't sound to positive as the "expectation" of recovery on Abe Lucas's knee isn't where the team felt his recovery should be at, in other words he is off schedule. For someone who has this much attention to his knee, and isn't a full go is very concerning. This could potentially be career altering for Abe Lucas. It would be a shame if his career is cut short, but something isn't quite right with his health. I wish him the best, but how much of this recovery is going to effect how he plays going forward? Sometimes a serious injury and long rehab can really mess with a young player's mindset.