Next up: the draft

[c_hawkbob]

I like this picture!

[mykc14]

I also like that picture, I just don't see Stroud being there at #5 and I don't see us trading up to get him. I would love Anderson at #5 too, but I don't think it's going to happen. I do think Richardson will be there art 5 and if that's the case I would take him over Carter. Richardson is one of the most athletic QB's to ever enter the league. He has no character issues or anything like that. Although both are risks I'm taking Richardson over Carter everyday. With that being said I don't love the idea of drafting either one of them.

[NorthHawk]

There’s a lot of talk about the Panthers really interested in Stroud at #1.
Maybe smoke, maybe fire.

[Aseahawkfan]

There’s a lot of talk about the Panthers really interested in Stroud at #1.
Maybe smoke, maybe fire.

You don't make that kind of move unless you want someone real, real bad.

[c_hawkbob]

Well it's gonna be either he or Young, which is who I understand to be more likely.

[c_hawkbob]

Another one, now it is starting to look like smoke:

[HawkSis]

I’d smoke that! Lol

Last year's draft was so strange in that it wasn't strange. I'm hoping for more of the same. If they love a QB, they should get him. Being this high in the draft with 10 picks gives us some
Flexibility and I’m hoping we don't draft this high again for a long long time. I really don't watch college ball save my Fresno State Bulldogs & the Huskies. I couldn’t tell you the pros and cons of the QBs from a position of projecting what they will do moving forward. Hell, I’d draft Jake Haener (total homer) . All to say, I’ll let them evaluate and if they go nuts and move up, drop back, take Richardson or whatever…. It’ll all be just fine.

As a quick aside, my dear friend's son is a hell of a WR for the PNW Dawgs. It’s so hard to think of him as being old enough - I remember his t-ball games. If you follow Husky football, his name is Jalen McMillan. He’s fast, tough, and has great hands. I’m a little biased though. Looking forward to his Jr. season.

[jshawaii22]

Ohio State has something like 20 potential NFL players taking part in todays dog and pony show, so it's no surprise PC/JS attended and will head to Georgia tomorrow for the next big day.

[RiverDog]

If only it were an introductory news conference with Stroud holding up a blue and green jersey. No way in hell he lasts till #5.

[Aseahawkfan]

If only it were an introductory news conference with Stroud holding up a blue and green jersey. No way in hell he lasts till #5.

I guess we'll see if we trade up to two if he's still there. It may be the reason Carolina traded to number 1 is they heard Seattle was going to move up to grab Stroud.

[Hawktawk]

I’m no draft guru or college football analyst but I see stroud as the best option . All the skills and has the big boy frame .

Young is really small , really . Maybe it’s the residual Russel effect because he’s smaller and slighter built . He better go to a team with a line of offense that allows him to move .
I’m most concerned with Levis and Richardson . Richardson has it all physically , maybe the most physically perfect qb ever to be drafted .
But he’s inaccurate , inconsistent and more concerning has problems reading the field in a college scheme .

Levis , man I don’t know . Looks the part , big arm , will run the ball . But 19-10 TD to int . I’ve heard about how bad his team was . Fine, that’s a lot of picks in a college season and not many TDs. And injury concerns . Yeah next Josh Allen . King of the Wild card Ofer in the divisional so far soooo. Starting to get banged up running between the tackles too. Like Lamar Jackson.
So just saying . Love Allen . Is that the super bowl winning formula ?

Serious question my friends . Do you want Seattle to take whichever qb is left at 5 or be a bit more selective ? Is there one you won’t take at 5?

[NorthHawk]

I think when it's done, Levis will be there for us.
Injury concerns? A broken toe. It meant he couldn't throw naturally and yet he went out there week after week leading his team with a poor OL and very little in the way of receiver help knowing he was going to be hit a lot.
If it ends up being Richardson, that would be fine, too, but either one gives us a good chance to have him develop for a year and fully understand the Offense we are running.
If we don't take one of the QBs that are there for us (providing one is there), we will be on a years long search for another Franchise QB and never get anywhere near the playoffs until we do. That is unless we sell the farm on current and future draft picks to move up for one in that future draft. 3rd round Pro Bowl QBs aren't found in every draft.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Serious question my friends . Do you want Seattle to take whichever qb is left at 5 or be a bit more selective ? Is there one you won’t take at 5?

Be selective. If not Stroud, then none at all, and I don't see Stroud making it to 5. This is with the caveat that the FO has a much better eye for talent than I. Levis looks the part; he's a tough guy who played in a pro style offense, but I'm still cautious. My observation that when he went peer-to-peer team talent wise, he was okay. He and the Wildcats dominated inferior opponents. If the FO sees what they need from him, I won't blast the pick. I'm more on board with getting Levis given that he won't have any pressure to start his rookie year.

After Stroud, Anderson Jr., and *Levis, I'm in favor of trading down. Mock draft simulations are just that, but trading down presents some very nice options as well. That's what I like about where the Seahawks stand. They have options.

[govandals]

Serious question my friends . Do you want Seattle to take whichever qb is left at 5 or be a bit more selective ? Is there one you won’t take at 5?

Yup, I'm fine with any of the 4 qb's or Will Anderson at #5. I don't think anyone else is worthy of the top 5 pick. I'm not into trading down unless it's totally lopsided in our favor. We already have 2 #1's and 2 #2's. It's time to cash in.

[NorthHawk]

Ditto.

[TriCitySam]

Serious question my friends . Do you want Seattle to take whichever qb is left at 5 or be a bit more selective ? Is there one you won’t take at 5?

Not a Levis fan (At #5) I'd rather wait and grab Hooker.....

[HawkSis]

That’s a little personal, isn’t it Tri-City?

[HawkSis]

Oh….. you said grab Hooker, not grab A hooker. Never mind!

[mykc14]

Serious question my friends . Do you want Seattle to take whichever qb is left at 5 or be a bit more selective ? Is there one you won’t take at 5?

QB is one of the positions that I trust JS the most in as far as drafting goes. It sounds like he was in on many of the top QB's to be drafted after RW and he loved RW so if they really like any of them and draft him I am going to be OK with it. My first pick would be Stroud, but I don't think there is any way that he's going to be there. Between Young and Levis, I actually like both, but probably prefer Young. I know he's small but he has EVERYTHING else that you want in a QB- which puts Levis just slightly behind him for me, although either one of them I would be happy with. Richardson scares me. His accuracy issues are real and I don't like my QB's to come into the league with that big of an issue. 14% of his passes were off-target last year, thats a huge number and twice as high as other top QB's like Young. I would prefer not to draft him there, but if JS pulls the trigger I could see myself getting excited. He has the most upside of any of the QB's.

[RiverDog]

If only it were an introductory news conference with Stroud holding up a blue and green jersey. No way in hell he lasts till #5.

I guess we'll see if we trade up to two if he's still there. It may be the reason Carolina traded to number 1 is they heard Seattle was going to move up to grab Stroud.

I sincerely doubt that's the reason Carolina traded a King's ransom. There's no guarantee, and IMO very little chance, that even if we wanted to move up, that they'd get enough from us to compensate them for what they gave up for that #2 overall. If we were that desperate, then we would have outbid the Panthers for that spot. Carolina has had a QB issue since Cam hurt his shoulder. They're taking a QB.

[c_hawkbob]

Picks 5, 20 and 52 for the #2 if Young goes first and Stroud is a Seahawk!

I'd do it, would you?

[NorthHawk]

Picks 5, 20 and 52 for the #2 if Young goes first and Stroud is a Seahawk!

I'd do it, would you?

Nope, I think we can get one of the four at the 5th spot. They are all pretty good.

[RiverDog]

Picks 5, 20 and 52 for the #2 if Young goes first and Stroud is a Seahawk!

I'd do it, would you?

Nope, I think we can get one of the four at the 5th spot. They are all pretty good.

I don't think I'd do it, either. If Young goes first, then IMO the odds of either Richardson or Levis being there at #5 are roughly 50/50. That #20 overall is too valuable to use in order to move up just three spots.

If neither Richardson, Levis, or Stroud are available by the time our turn comes, I'm putting a for sale sign on the #5 overall.

[Aseahawkfan]

I don't think I'd do it, either. If Young goes first, then IMO the odds of either Richardson or Levis being there at #5 are roughly 50/50. That #20 overall is too valuable to use in order to move up just three spots.

If neither Richardson, Levis, or Stroud are available by the time our turn comes, I'm putting a for sale sign on the #5 overall.

Who do you want at 5, RD?

[RiverDog]

I don't think I'd do it, either. If Young goes first, then IMO the odds of either Richardson or Levis being there at #5 are roughly 50/50. That #20 overall is too valuable to use in order to move up just three spots.

If neither Richardson, Levis, or Stroud are available by the time our turn comes, I'm putting a for sale sign on the #5 overall.

Who do you want at 5, RD?

Stroud. He's the most pro ready QB, has a really nice throwing rhythm, is a very good athlete, and has played well in big games for one of the best football colleges in the country, which is what sets him above the other top QB's.

Richardson and Levis would be 2A and 2B in my book. If those three QB's aren't available, then my next choice would be Will Anderson. I don't want anything to do with Young. He reminds me too much of Kyler Murray. And I've made pretty clear my opinion on Carter.

If none of those 4 options are there (I fully expect the Cards to take Anderson), then I'm trading down.

[govandals]

Stroud. He's the most pro ready QB

Sorry RD, usually I agree with your takes, but not this one. Stroud is not the most pro ready qb. Levis is. Stroud played in a system that mostly schemed wr's open, made his life easy and he racked up good stats. Fields basically played in the same scheme and he struggled early, now he is kinda figuring it out after a few years. I'm not comping Fields to Stroud, as I feel Stroud has better mechanics/accuracy/intangibles, but you get the idea. When Stroud played off script and outside the pocket, he was not that great. Honestly, the Georgia game where he looked great doing those things, was an outlier for him, and this is skewing peoples thoughts of what he really is. It was the only game I saw of his where he played well off script. Now, if that one game vs Georgia is what he is going forward, then I am completely wrong in my assessment. (And I will admit so, I will happily admit so if he does it in a Seahawk uniform) Can he improve and get better? Sure he can.

Levis, and even Richardson, played in pro style offenses where they had multiple reads and had to read the whole field. Their learning curve to NFL offenses will be less than Stroud.

[NorthHawk]

I think this is where a good result on the S2 test would be of value for teams. A QB who has all the tools but hasn’t faced much adversity in College could fail miserably at the next level or really excel if he has the ‘Royal Jelly’ depending on what’s between his ears. And that test seems to be a help identifying those traits.

[RiverDog]

Stroud. He's the most pro ready QB

Sorry RD, usually I agree with your takes, but not this one. Stroud is not the most pro ready qb. Levis is. Stroud played in a system that mostly schemed wr's open, made his life easy and he racked up good stats. Fields basically played in the same scheme and he struggled early, now he is kinda figuring it out after a few years. I'm not comping Fields to Stroud, as I feel Stroud has better mechanics/accuracy/intangibles, but you get the idea. When Stroud played off script and outside the pocket, he was not that great. Honestly, the Georgia game where he looked great doing those things, was an outlier for him, and this is skewing peoples thoughts of what he really is. It was the only game I saw of his where he played well off script. Now, if that one game vs Georgia is what he is going forward, then I am completely wrong in my assessment. (And I will admit so, I will happily admit so if he does it in a Seahawk uniform) Can he improve and get better? Sure he can.

Levis, and even Richardson, played in pro style offenses where they had multiple reads and had to read the whole field. Their learning curve to NFL offenses will be less than Stroud.

I'll have to admit that the only time I saw Levis and Richardson was when UK played Florida early last season, and I wasn't particularly impressed with either one of them, so part of my favoring Stroud comes from pure ignorance of what the other two can do. But I couldn't help being impressed with Stroud, how he managed the pocket, threw as soon as he hit his plant foot, delivered the ball on time and accurately, and handled himself well in a high profile contest against the best team in the country, something you can't say about Richardson and Levis. To me, he's more of a known quantity and less of a risk than the other two.

[govandals]

I've watched several of Levis' games. There is definitely something there. The Justin Herbert comp seems fair to me. But, you are right, RD, Stroud looks really calm and smooth in the pocket, he has a Joe Cool vibe about him. Levis doesn't have that.
Like I said before, I would be totally happy with Stroud, Levis or Richardson at 5. A little less with Bryce Young or Will Anderson, but I'm still taking either of them.

[govandals]

Will Anderson didn't do any drills at his pro day yesterday. Pretty disappointing for a guy who is supposed to be an Alpha dog leader type. My confidence in him is waning. Hopefully Arizona still takes him.

[mykc14]

Will Anderson didn't do any drills at his pro day yesterday. Pretty disappointing for a guy who is supposed to be an Alpha dog leader type. My confidence in him is waning. Hopefully Arizona still takes him.

Yeah that's pretty frustrating- it makes you have to wonder if his athleticism just isn't that great. He's obviously a great prospect with college production but it's beginning to appear like maybe he's not one of those guys with elite numbers.

[NorthHawk]

Who knows what advice these players are getting. It might be that his agent is concerned that doing drills could result in an injury just before the draft.
The games are all available for the scouts and staff to evaluate and all that is known by how he plays, so doing drills only confirms suspicions. Some players play faster than they test and others test better than they play.
I get the impression the Pro Days are for the teams to meet and try to understand who the player is and if they would fit in the culture of their team or where they want their team to be.

[c_hawkbob]

You only run the drills at your pro day if you've got something to gain by doing so. If your tape already has you in the conversation for the #1 pick you're just there for the interviews. His agent probably saw Carter's Pro Day and said "just dress nice and answer questions".

[mykc14]

You only run the drills at your pro day if you've got something to gain by doing so. If your tape already has you in the conversation for the #1 pick you're just there for the interviews. His agent probably saw Carter's Pro Day and said "just dress nice and answer questions".

Elite testing numbers can cement you as the #1 pick or in this case the first defensive player drafted. Anderson is not certainly in that conversation, but other defensive players testing well could push them ahead of him. There is no doubt that he has something to gain by going through those drills unless he would have tested poorly or was hurt. If he was 10 lbs. overweight and would test poorly then I would agree, but if that's the case then I would be a little worried about him anyway. At the end of the day it probably doesn't matter for him though as he will almost certainly be the first or second defensive player drafted. At the same time if you have the ability why not go out and show it?

[NorthHawk]

Every year someone gets seriously hurt doing drills at the combine or pro day, be it ACL, achilles, or other.
If the player is ranked near the top that’s a lot of money to risk.

[RiverDog]

You only run the drills at your pro day if you've got something to gain by doing so. If your tape already has you in the conversation for the #1 pick you're just there for the interviews. His agent probably saw Carter's Pro Day and said "just dress nice and answer questions".

I think that scenario is pretty unlikely. IMO due to his off-field issues and lingering doubts about his conditioning, Carter was no longer in the conversation for the #1 pick or even the top 5. His stock had dropped to the point where his agent felt that they had no choice but to run the drills and hope for the best in that a good performance might make some jittery GM's reconsider him for a higher draft pick.

[NorthHawk]

I think Bob was alluding to Anderson’s advisors viewing Carters bad Pro day and taking from that performance that Anderson should just dress well and answer questions. These are largely interviews for teams deciding if the players personality fits with their program. They mostly know what the top players can do on the field.

[c_hawkbob]

I think Bob was alluding to Anderson’s advisors viewing Carters bad Pro day and taking from that performance that Anderson should just dress well and answer questions. These are largely interviews for teams deciding if the players personality fits with their program. They mostly know what the top players can do on the field.

Exactly, he stood nothing to gain even with a perfect Pro day, that slotting has already been for the most part decided. But a bad pro day could absolutely cost him, as it likely did Carter. No upside, big downside ... let your tape speak for itself.

[RiverDog]

I think Bob was alluding to Anderson’s advisors viewing Carters bad Pro day and taking from that performance that Anderson should just dress well and answer questions. These are largely interviews for teams deciding if the players personality fits with their program. They mostly know what the top players can do on the field.

Exactly, he stood nothing to gain even with a perfect Pro day, that slotting has already been for the most part decided. But a bad pro day could absolutely cost him, as it likely did Carter. No upside, big downside ... let your tape speak for itself.

We'll have to agree to disagree. IMO Carter had quite a bit to gain by nailing his Pro Day. It's undeniable that his stock had slipped significantly in the past few months, and a good showing at his pro day could have gone a long way towards making one or two teams rationalize his off field issues to where they might want to take a chance on him.

[TriCitySam]

If you believe what JS and others say, they've pretty well scouted these guys prior to now, and are mostly interested in getting questions answered. They've seen tons of game tape that really dictates how a team values their skills. That being the case, I doubt the pro days hurt Anderson or Carter very much. Many thought Carter was the #1 guy earlier this year and while is off the field stuff will impact him, I doubt he slides very far.

Also, Chad Reuter (NFL.com) has some different picks for Seattle: CB Christian Gonzalex at #5 and OG Cody Mauch at #27. I don't think trading out of #20 is a bad idea, but we should at least get a guy with a full set of teeth