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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby MackStrongIsMyHero » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:16 am

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... ing-racing

Yes, it was his attorney who said that's how it went down. I can't say with any certainty who told him he could leave. I'm guessing that was considered when they handed down the punishment. I don't know if it was not a LEO that told him he could leave, would Carter have received a worse punishment?
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby c_hawkbob » Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:24 am

MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35871548/jalen-carter-pleads-no-contest-charges-reckless-driving-racing

Yes, it was his attorney who said that's how it went down. I can't say with any certainty who told him he could leave. I'm guessing that was considered when they handed down the punishment. I don't know if it was not a LEO that told him he could leave, would Carter have received a worse punishment?

Thanks for the link. That's about as I expected the case to shake out. Now he needs to get his mind back on his business.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby RiverDog » Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:42 am

MackStrongIsMyHero wrote:https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/35871548/jalen-carter-pleads-no-contest-charges-reckless-driving-racing

Yes, it was his attorney who said that's how it went down. I can't say with any certainty who told him he could leave. I'm guessing that was considered when they handed down the punishment. I don't know if it was not a LEO that told him he could leave, would Carter have received a worse punishment?


Yeah, that's the same story that I read and what prompted me to ask the questions.

IMO the fact that Carter returned to the scene when requested 45 minutes after the accident is likely why he didn't receive harsher punishment, not so much as it was who told him he could leave. And no one has said why it was he wanted to leave so quickly when he knew those lives were in peril. That's the real problem that has caused the character concerns, that he didn't care about them or that some self-preservation instinct was at work.

It's water under the bridge as the case has been resolved. Nevertheless, there's still some very curious unanswered questions that remain. And it doesn't to a lot to mollify the red flags that are sure to result from the incident.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby jshawaii22 » Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:58 am

He was never charged with "leaving the scene of an accident". Why is everyone fixating on this? He was charged and plead "no contest" to the two misdemeanor offences that many 20 year olds with fast cars seem to get quite often. Maybe he just got lucky. Maybe it's Georgia's laws that worked for him. It doesn't matter at this point and I'm OK about it.
Was Carter wrong to leave since he wasn't involved in the accident? Does it matter? Does it alone make him less of a draft pick? Seems he dropped a little in the eyes of the media, but only time will tell. After yesterday disaster of a pro day, it sure seems to be easier to pass on him and it's now his fault if that happens.

It's OK to not want him as a draft pick. He probably will be available at #5. That's not my call. We need a Defensive End more then a DT.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby RiverDog » Thu Mar 16, 2023 1:09 pm

jshawaii22 wrote:He was never charged with "leaving the scene of an accident". Why is everyone fixating on this?


It has little if anything to do with whether or not he violated a law. The reason everyone is 'fixated' on it is because there has not been a reasonable explanation offered as to why he would want to leave the scene. It was obviously a horrible accident, and he had a teammate and staffer that he apparently knew pretty well that were in the wreckage yet he left within minutes, before first responders arrived, and before he knew about their fate. It's a legitimate concern for a player projected to be one of the top candidates for our #5 overall pick in the draft.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby Hawktawk » Thu Mar 16, 2023 1:50 pm

jshawaii22 wrote:He was never charged with "leaving the scene of an accident". Why is everyone fixating on this?


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It has little if anything to do with whether or not he violated a law. The reason everyone is 'fixated' on it is because there has not been a reasonable explanation offered as to why he would want to leave the scene. It was obviously a horrible accident, and he had a teammate and staffer that he apparently knew pretty well that were in the wreckage yet he left within minutes, before first responders arrived, and before he knew about their fate. It's a legitimate concern for a player projected to be one of the top candidates for our #5 overall pick in the draft.[/quote]
Pretty cocksure attitude. Have you seen dead teammates? Horrific drunken crash? He ran towards them initially, his passenger was the one who called 911. Hes not a gd soldier leaving a man behind. I dont give a rip about it. You're not the judge and the judge doesn't care abut it. His sentence is pretty vindicating imo. Hed be back to 5 without being a bloated wheezing pig. I bet Hurrt could whip him into shape :lol: they could go to weight watchers together.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby RiverDog » Thu Mar 16, 2023 3:56 pm

Hawktawk wrote:Pretty cocksure attitude. Have you seen dead teammates? Horrific drunken crash? He ran towards them initially, his passenger was the one who called 911. Hes not a gd soldier leaving a man behind. I dont give a rip about it. You're not the judge and the judge doesn't care abut it. His sentence is pretty vindicating imo. Hed be back to 5 without being a bloated wheezing pig. I bet Hurrt could whip him into shape :lol: they could go to weight watchers together.


I'm not 'cocksure' about anything. For all I know, maybe he had to leave to take a dump. But until that question is answered, until Carter himself comes out and says why he felt it necessary to leave, it's going to hang over his head and teams are going to wonder the same thing we've all been asking.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby c_hawkbob » Thu Mar 16, 2023 4:13 pm

I agree wit Tawk, his deplorable pro day is a much worse issue now than his misdemeanor traffic violations.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby I-5 » Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:10 pm

Does the Drew Lock signing have any bearing on whether the Seahawks will take a QB in the draft? Maybe they'll wait til the later rounds to take one is what I'm thinking.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby RiverDog » Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:37 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:I agree wit Tawk, his deplorable pro day is a much worse issue now than his misdemeanor traffic violations.


I actually agree, but that doesn't mean that I think that his 'misdemeanor traffic violations' didn't have a significant effect. His pro day was that bad.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby RiverDog » Thu Mar 16, 2023 5:37 pm

I-5 wrote:Does the Drew Lock signing have any bearing on whether the Seahawks will take a QB in the draft? Maybe they'll wait til the later rounds to take one is what I'm thinking.


Perhaps. With Carolina moving up ahead of us, they may feel that the QB they felt they wanted, ie Levis, Richardson, et al, might not be available and they wanted a credible insurance policy.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby NorthHawk » Thu Mar 16, 2023 9:01 pm

I-5 wrote:Does the Drew Lock signing have any bearing on whether the Seahawks will take a QB in the draft? Maybe they'll wait til the later rounds to take one is what I'm thinking.


It shouldn’t.
Their plan must have been to find the next Franchise QB with the picks received from the Wilson deal. Considering neither Geno nor Lock have been given long term contracts, QB must still be an option at 5 should one of them be there.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby govandals » Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:01 am

I-5 wrote:Does the Drew Lock signing have any bearing on whether the Seahawks will take a QB in the draft? Maybe they'll wait til the later rounds to take one is what I'm thinking.


Absolutely not. There is a very real chance the 4 QB's are first off the board.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby Hawktawk » Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:04 am

Lock makes 2023 doe-able without taking one . And I think his base is 4 m so that is a bit much for a camp arm .

Looks like defense at #5 or trade down to me but who knows . I like the qb position right now if it’s Geno and Drew . 3 years is mid term. Long enough to do some damage . Qb was not our problem last year .
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby NorthHawk » Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:01 am

It depends on whether the Cards really value Anderson to help their now depleted Defense. There aren't that many premier players in this draft, but a lot of players with possible upside. Anderson is one of the few or only premier Defensive players.
If not, they will trade out and we can scoop him up but if they do then QB is still in play.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby mykc14 » Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:23 am

I-5 wrote:Does the Drew Lock signing have any bearing on whether the Seahawks will take a QB in the draft? Maybe they'll wait til the later rounds to take one is what I'm thinking.


I don't think so. The Hawks have been doing an excellent job of hedging for the draft and putting themselves in a position to draft whoever they want with their picks. They really have been having a great offseason.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby NorthHawk » Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:43 am

These last two drafts have seen a big change in philosophy. It seems to be all about adding talent since they let so much slip away the previous 7 years or thereabouts.
Last year was a real good start, but I wonder if we should expect another 4 starters from this draft or not. I guess that would be too much to ask, but the base level of talent should increase in any case.
As well, we aren't sitting on the sidelines during FA and signing what at this point look like solid starters and not just depth players. It's a welcome change.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby Hawktawk » Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:24 pm

NorthHawk wrote:These last two drafts have seen a big change in philosophy. It seems to be all about adding talent since they let so much slip away the previous 7 years or thereabouts.
Last year was a real good start, but I wonder if we should expect another 4 starters from this draft or not. I guess that would be too much to ask, but the base level of talent should increase in any case.
As well, we aren't sitting on the sidelines during FA and signing what at this point look like solid starters and not just depth players. It's a welcome change.

Ok North you’re a cap and draft guy . I have an honest question. Did existing contracts like Russ and other highly paid stars affect what Seattle could do in some of those years?
Yes there have been some bad trades , unlucky injuries . But how much of our basement shopping for FAs etc was possibly affected by payroll and existing roster commitment? We know winning a lot meant late picks for years too . And flat out misses besides .
Was this stretch of management bad in your opinion or were there any other factors ?
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby NorthHawk » Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:44 pm

I’m not that much of a Cap guy like some people, but I watch what other teams do and how they manage their Caps.
Until this past year we’ve not participated in attaining top players and settled for signing backups at more than market value. As well we didn’t use some of the strategies like void years and others to get under the Cap at all. These strategies do push the Cap hits down the road, but it also restricts the team from accumulating talent - and we saw the results of a waning talent base and no improvement in the teams chances to go deep into the playoffs.

As far as drafting later, I think that’s over rated as many late 1st round picks and many 2nd and later selections become very good and sometimes HoF players. As there are usually 6 players outside the 1st round, teams have to hit on some of those every year just to maintain competitiveness and we had some atrocious draft results since 2015 or thereabouts.

It seems now that they have changed their philosophy to the point that we are participating in FA for players we need to improve the team and drafted quality players (last year at least) throughout the draft rather than trying to trade down for more picks.
It’s a welcome change and I hope they continue down this path.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby mykc14 » Fri Mar 17, 2023 3:48 pm

Hawktawk wrote:Ok North you’re a cap and draft guy . I have an honest question. Did existing contracts like Russ and other highly paid stars affect what Seattle could do in some of those years?
Yes there have been some bad trades , unlucky injuries . But how much of our basement shopping for FAs etc was possibly affected by payroll and existing roster commitment? We know winning a lot meant late picks for years too . And flat out misses besides .
Was this stretch of management bad in your opinion or were there any other factors ?


The 2020 off-season the Hawks had the salary cap space to make some major moves and a team that potentially could have made a run at the SB. They did a terrible job in Free-Agency as you can see by the list below, but the worst part was that those failures led to the panic move of trading for Jamal Adams and the disaster of a contract that still haunts us today. That was the off-season that I lost faith in PC/JS for the first time. They had over 50 mil in cap space and had put themselves in a great position to sign some really good players but instead they signed these guys:

Greg Olsen 7 mil
Cedric Ogbuechi 3.3 mil
Brandon Shell 5.5 mil
BJ Finney 5.5 mil
Bruce Irvin 5.5 mil
Jarren Reed 12 mil
Phillip Dorsett 1 mil
Benson Mayowa 3 mil
Mike Iupati 2 mil

That's almost 50 million in cap space that they spent on guys who mostly had been career backups. They filled out their roster with these guys and hoped that they would have career years.

There were good players available to, especially on the defensive side of the ball...

Rober Quinn signed for 14 mil/year
DJ Reader 13 mil/year
Javon Hargrove 13 mil/y
Clowney 13 mil/year
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby Aseahawkfan » Fri Mar 17, 2023 9:07 pm

mykc14 wrote:The 2020 off-season the Hawks had the salary cap space to make some major moves and a team that potentially could have made a run at the SB. They did a terrible job in Free-Agency as you can see by the list below, but the worst part was that those failures led to the panic move of trading for Jamal Adams and the disaster of a contract that still haunts us today. That was the off-season that I lost faith in PC/JS for the first time. They had over 50 mil in cap space and had put themselves in a great position to sign some really good players but instead they signed these guys:

Greg Olsen 7 mil
Cedric Ogbuechi 3.3 mil
Brandon Shell 5.5 mil
BJ Finney 5.5 mil
Bruce Irvin 5.5 mil
Jarren Reed 12 mil
Phillip Dorsett 1 mil
Benson Mayowa 3 mil
Mike Iupati 2 mil

That's almost 50 million in cap space that they spent on guys who mostly had been career backups. They filled out their roster with these guys and hoped that they would have career years.

There were good players available to, especially on the defensive side of the ball...

Rober Quinn signed for 14 mil/year
DJ Reader 13 mil/year
Javon Hargrove 13 mil/y
Clowney 13 mil/year


Pete and John really started to lose their way. If nothing else, this Russ Drama seems to have a lit a fire under Pete and John to get things right again.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby NorthHawk » Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:00 pm

The changes have been more than talent acquisition, they’ve abandoned the Peteball Offense and dumped the 4-3 Under scheme Pete used for his entire tenure here. That’s a massive change of thought.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby obiken » Mon Mar 20, 2023 1:01 am

NorthHawk wrote:The changes have been more than talent acquisition, they’ve abandoned the Peteball Offense and dumped the 4-3 Under scheme Pete used for his entire tenure here. That’s a massive change of thought.


I agree but what is their offensive mindset?
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby Hawktawk » Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:28 am

NorthHawk wrote:The changes have been more than talent acquisition, they’ve abandoned the Peteball Offense and dumped the 4-3 Under scheme Pete used for his entire tenure here. That’s a massive change of thought.


Would you explain to me what “ Pete ball “ was and what is different now . To me it looked like other then pre snap looks and some motion we ran the ball and passed the ball . Tight ends seemed to be a bigger part at least early in the season . But otherwise ? Just curious . I heard Brock Huard say they were giving Geno more routes between the hashes because of trust to execute it . I don’t know . I just don’t understand the nuances of Pete ball and how this is different .
As for the 3-4 they should go back . It’s the worst defense I remember in Seattle vs the run .

Any defense we’re a double digit winner last year . That’s what I’m counting on this off-season .
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby Hawktawk » Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:11 am

Hawktawk wrote:Ok North you’re a cap and draft guy . I have an honest question. Did existing contracts like Russ and other highly paid stars affect what Seattle could do in some of those years?
Yes there have been some bad trades , unlucky injuries . But how much of our basement shopping for FAs etc was possibly affected by payroll and existing roster commitment? We know winning a lot meant late picks for years too . And flat out misses besides .
Was this stretch of management bad in your opinion or were there any other factors ?


" mkcy The 2020 off-season the Hawks had the salary cap space to make some major moves and a team that potentially could have made a run at the SB. They did a terrible job in Free-Agency as you can see by the list below, but the worst part was that those failures led to the panic move of trading for Jamal Adams and the disaster of a contract that still haunts us today. That was the off-season that I lost faith in PC/JS for the first time. They had over 50 mil in cap space and had put themselves in a great position to sign some really good players but instead they signed these guys:

Greg Olsen 7 mil
Cedric Ogbuechi 3.3 mil
Brandon Shell 5.5 mil
BJ Finney 5.5 mil
Bruce Irvin 5.5 mil
Jarren Reed 12 mil
Phillip Dorsett 1 mil
Benson Mayowa 3 mil
Mike Iupati 2 mil

That's almost 50 million in cap space that they spent on guys who mostly had been career backups. They filled out their roster with these guys and hoped that they would have career years.

There were good players available to, especially on the defensive side of the ball...

Rober Quinn signed for 14 mil/year
DJ Reader 13 mil/year
Javon Hargrove 13 mil/y
Clowney 13 mil/year[/quote]

That truly is spectacularly bad. Lots of stiffs too, looks like half the starting lineup. Much as those who cherish the goodness of Russ have had to accept some unpleasant realities those of us who hail Pete and John as the best ever here need to accept their failures as well.
Thats a shockingly bad list. I dont recognize lots of the names and they played a season for my team. Wow.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby c_hawkbob » Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:15 pm

Well we released Al Woods, our anchor in the middle of our D line. Maybe making room for Carter?
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby MackStrongIsMyHero » Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:32 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:Well we released Al Woods, our anchor in the middle of our D line. Maybe making room for Carter?


Carter isn’t a natural NT for a 3-4. My guess is they have someone else cheaper lined up or they are targeting Siaki Ika or Mazi Smith. Also possible they go back to a 4-3, then Carter would make sense. Not my guy, but it would make more sense under those circumstances.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby c_hawkbob » Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:49 pm

Nonsense, Carter's a perfect Nose. He's also a perfect 3-tech or 5-tech.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby MackStrongIsMyHero » Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:02 pm

Perhaps your premise is nonsense. It usually doesn’t work that way and every profile I’ve read suggests that isn’t his projected role.

Edit: He could do well as a DE in a 3-4; this is talking about replacing Al Woods.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby govandals » Tue Mar 21, 2023 5:42 am

I think it's a moot point to even discuss Jalen Carter. The Seahawks are not drafting him. On one of Rob Staton's live streams he says there are even MORE red flags with Carter that teams are aware of and the media is not. He won't state his sources, but I know he talks to Jim Nagy and Tony Pauline, so possibly got it from them. it's rare for Staton to say a thing like that. He is straight shooter in my book and not a rumormonger type.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby Hawktawk » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:24 am

govandals wrote:I think it's a moot point to even discuss Jalen Carter. The Seahawks are not drafting him. On one of Rob Staton's live streams he says there are even MORE red flags with Carter that teams are aware of and the media is not. He won't state his sources, but I know he talks to Jim Nagy and Tony Pauline, so possibly got it from them. it's rare for Staton to say a thing like that. He is straight shooter in my book and not a rumormonger type.


I read yesterday that Georgia police considered more serious charges in the incident in which 2 people died . Based on cell pings , camera from phones and physical scratches on his car roof show they were close together for several miles and that a power line from the pole she sheared off hit his roof . Means he was definitely behind her rather than beside or in front but obviously pretty close . I’ll say what I’ve said . It wasn’t a race . Reckless ? Ok . The woman’s tragic death and the player was her fault alone other than the person who gave her the keys . Not Jalen Carter . It doesn’t affect his draft status with me especially with it decided . I worry about his conditioning , his motivation . Caught a bit of Paul Moyer . “
On the one hand how can you not be ready for this ? It’s your future “
But on the other hand what’s going on with this young man? He adressed the legal issues . “Fight or flight “ looks like he’s chosen flight “ I don’t want to get up today “

Moyer thinks he’s damaged goods for sure . As a human being I worry about Carter no matter where he’s drafted . He’s the shiny object for a powerful university that has a horrific scandal it’s not being held accountable for at all or being transparent about . He saw 2 dead friends along the road and has spent months being linked to it . He needs some counseling imo.

Call me crazy I take him if he’s there at 20. I doubt he will be . Maybe 10 . Maybe .
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby NorthHawk » Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:52 am

McShay talked about character issues and immaturity a couple of months ago. It boiled down to a player who played less than 40% of the plays on Defense who did his own thing in practice and sometimes during games, but his talent is so great that they had to put him in. From the comments, I had a Jamarcus Russell vibe, so given that information, and the inclination for GMs to mitigate risk at the top of the draft along with a focus on character last draft and with continuing that focus on the players JS wants to select, I doubt he's in consideration for us unless he falls much deeper than the last of the 1st round. Other teams will probably be ready to take a chance at some point but I don't think it will be in the top 10.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby TriCitySam » Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:44 am

Mazi Smith is the guy I've been mocking since early January, a true NT and at that time you mostly saw mid-2nd round. I hadn't seen Mazi Smith going in the first round until this week. Now Daniel Jeremiah has Smith, Hendon Hooker and Joe Tippman all going in round 1....guys I had penciled in for the Hawks in rounds 1 & 2......blew the hell out of my mock drafts.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby jshawaii22 » Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:08 pm

c_hawkbob wrote:Well we released Al Woods, our anchor in the middle of our D line. Maybe making room for Carter?


Maybe if he doesn't get any offers, we could be looking to resign him closer to the start of training camp, at a lower cap cost, of course. We're running out of cap $$$, if we are still looking to sign other FA's and a boatload of draft pics.

I've moved to a position on the draft that if AZ takes Will Anderson, that we should trade down, maybe even twice and look to draft Hendon Hooker with our new first around the 15th pick. He goes on IR and sits as QB#3 for at least a year. He looks like a QB on film. Sure better then Richardson or Lewis.

I admit it's a risk to take Carter, although he still pops to us in a couple of mocks and the only other choice I see is taking the 2nd best Edge ( I assume Tyree Wilson at #5). I don't know if that makes sense. There seems to be a big drop between Anderson and Wilson. The last thing we need is another Aaron Curry for a high pick.

A trade also picks up at least a #1 back and a 2 plus more. We just can't move down past #15. I'm sure there are still a few QB needy teams that require starting from day #1 that might deal with us. I think another team would take Hendon later in the first. He could be the best in the draft.

I'm for taking the JM Schmitz, the Minnesota Center at #20 or trade that down, as he probably would be available in mid 20's or higher. Maybe trade back into the late round #1 for an edge.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby Hawktawk » Wed Mar 22, 2023 4:41 am

I have felt the same about Hooker . Without injury he’s a top guy . He has something like 5 picks in 2 seasons , 50 plus TDs. And I’ve heard analysis that his offense he runs is an aggressive passing offense more likely to yield some turnovers . Trade down and take him hmmm. Hard to believe in a league Jarred Stidham just got 5.5 million to back up Russel and Mayfield 8.5 in Tampa that a guy with the talent of Hooker is going to wait around long . Richardson is combine boy . Daunte Culpepoer , Cam Newton , Mike Vick on steroids . Who knows . Someone will hit the jackpot or go bust on him.
Young is too small . Stroud is the most certain imo.

Levis has seemingly dropped some . I’ve heard him discussed as a possible top pick a couple months ago . I just saw him at 19 in one mock . I don’t buy that either but his and Richardsons actual performances on the field seem to be getting judged differently . Levis is a big strong dude but he doesn’t look like Richardson . He may be a far better pro.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby NorthHawk » Wed Mar 22, 2023 7:30 am

QBs and their success in the NFL depend a great deal on the situation they end up in with the coaches and demands the team puts on them.
Hooker played in Josh Huepel's Offense and it's an Offense that led to a lot of WRs being wide open and the game plans weren't particularly complicated.
I have Levis rated higher because his Offense was a pro style Offense with him making the line calls and audibles during the game. It was also very similar to Waldron's Offense with the concepts and checks so his learning curve is much lower than players like Hooker and others who only went out and ran the play with no other considerations. Take away the talent that Hooker had and the good OL he played behind and we would see a much different view of his abilities. I like that Levis might
be falling as he would be the perfect fit in our Offense after sitting for a year.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby HawkSis » Wed Mar 22, 2023 11:55 am

Jalen Carter scares the hell out of me. He’s obviously VERY talented, so the temptation to take him is there. The recent McDowell fiasco (which led to us trading a 2nd for Sheldon Richardson) means we spent two high picks on half a player, and it seems our FO is steering clear of players w/character issues. I certainly don’t profess to know what’s going on with the accident and his subsequent weight gain/inability to finish his pro-day…. Even if we give him the benefit of the doubt on all of that (he just has a youthful lead-foot and the pressure of the scrutiny effed with him (or whatever) on his pro-day, his in-season conditioning (or lack thereof) and seeming lack of a work ethic make him a low character/high risk dude, which (again) PCJS say they are out on. But damn, he’s good and could be just what we need. I’m glad I don’t have to make that call. Laramy (sp??) Tunsil slipped in the draft for character issues and just signed a massive deal because he’s that good. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I’d have to say I’m out on JC in the first round.

I’m all for beefing up the D-line at 5 and maybe even at 20, though center works for me too in the latter. I would not be surprised if PCJS draft a QB, slide down a few spots and nab Hendon +. Not much will surprise me. I’m all in on Will Anderson (I know….. duh, right?), and realize he’s not likely to be there at 5. I believe in the brain trust and can’t wait to watch.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby RiverDog » Wed Mar 22, 2023 1:11 pm

HawkSis wrote:Jalen Carter scares the hell out of me. He’s obviously VERY talented, so the temptation to take him is there. The recent McDowell fiasco (which led to us trading a 2nd for Sheldon Richardson) means we spent two high picks on half a player, and it seems our FO is steering clear of players w/character issues. I certainly don’t profess to know what’s going on with the accident and his subsequent weight gain/inability to finish his pro-day…. Even if we give him the benefit of the doubt on all of that (he just has a youthful lead-foot and the pressure of the scrutiny effed with him (or whatever) on his pro-day, his in-season conditioning (or lack thereof) and seeming lack of a work ethic make him a low character/high risk dude, which (again) PCJS say they are out on. But damn, he’s good and could be just what we need. I’m glad I don’t have to make that call. Laramy (sp??) Tunsil slipped in the draft for character issues and just signed a massive deal because he’s that good. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I’d have to say I’m out on JC in the first round.


I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell that anyone will take Carter in the top 10. I haven't seen as many red flags emerge in the 2-3 month lead up to the draft as has happened with Carter. No way does a GM want to risk their job by selecting a player with as much "I told you so" potential as Carter has. For me, I didn't want Carter before his racing incident, his 9 pound weight gain, and his horrid performance at his pro day. Now, I don't even want him if he's there at #20.

HawkSis wrote:I’m all for beefing up the D-line at 5 and maybe even at 20, though center works for me too in the latter. I would not be surprised if PCJS draft a QB, slide down a few spots and nab Hendon +. Not much will surprise me. I’m all in on Will Anderson (I know….. duh, right?), and realize he’s not likely to be there at 5. I believe in the brain trust and can’t wait to watch.


IMO Hooker can be had for a low first round or 2nd round pick. I've got my eyeballs on that center out of Minnesota for our #20. Having Geno resigned gives us a bit of an insurance policy in that it's not going to devastate us if we don't come out of the draft with a top rated QB.

IMO there's a 50/50 chance that Will Anderson will be there at #5. The only team ahead of us that's not likely to take a QB is Arizona.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby MackStrongIsMyHero » Wed Mar 22, 2023 1:19 pm

There are DT's that can be had a little later that can be the NT for our defense, so I wouldn't risk Jalen Carter so high and requiring him to play a different positional role.

Seattle is in one of the most enviable positions in this draft. A lot of viable options are on the table.
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Re: Next up: the draft

Postby c_hawkbob » Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:04 pm

HawkSis wrote:Jalen Carter scares the hell out of me. He’s obviously VERY talented, so the temptation to take him is there. The recent McDowell fiasco (which led to us trading a 2nd for Sheldon Richardson) means we spent two high picks on half a player, and it seems our FO is steering clear of players w/character issues. I certainly don’t profess to know what’s going on with the accident and his subsequent weight gain/inability to finish his pro-day…. Even if we give him the benefit of the doubt on all of that (he just has a youthful lead-foot and the pressure of the scrutiny effed with him (or whatever) on his pro-day, his in-season conditioning (or lack thereof) and seeming lack of a work ethic make him a low character/high risk dude, which (again) PCJS say they are out on. But damn, he’s good and could be just what we need. I’m glad I don’t have to make that call. Laramy (sp??) Tunsil slipped in the draft for character issues and just signed a massive deal because he’s that good. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I’d have to say I’m out on JC in the first round.

I’m all for beefing up the D-line at 5 and maybe even at 20, though center works for me too in the latter. I would not be surprised if PCJS draft a QB, slide down a few spots and nab Hendon +. Not much will surprise me. I’m all in on Will Anderson (I know….. duh, right?), and realize he’s not likely to be there at 5. I believe in the brain trust and can’t wait to watch.


My hope is first that the big 4 QB's go 1, 2, 3, 4 and Will Anderson is there for the taking! That won't happen though so maybe Levis or Stroud somehow fall to us (Richardson scares me the way Carter scares you Sis, but because he's got some lousy game tape out there, not just a lack of good tape ... his career completion percentage is about 54%! I'd take the chance at 20 maybe, but not at 5!) but if we do wind up picking Carter at 5 I'm good with it.
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