Free Agency/Trades

[Aseahawkfan]

Hell yeah.

[Agent 86]

Interesting about Jones -- CBS Sports says he played D-End the last year or 2, moving outside after his rookie year. I know Coach Pete likes those DLinemen that can move around in different situations. We'll see what they have planned.

Yeah I just read that he played 451 snaps at DT last year and another 224 at DE, so very versatile. He had 4 of his 6.5 sacks from the edge.

[jshawaii22]

The more I read the more I like this signing.

https://www.espn.com/blog/seattle-seahawks/post/_/id/36400/seattle-seahawks-2023-free-agent-signings

[RiverDog]

Solid signing. Jones is ranked 19th in pass rush win percentage for interior DL's.

[NorthHawk]

Is this signing the first time since Bennett or Avril that we've made a first day signing in FA that might be impactful?
Perhaps with last years draft and now actually doing something early instead of waiting for the frenzy to die down have they changed their talent acquisition philosophy a little?

[RiverDog]

Is this signing the first time since Bennett or Avril that we've made a first day signing in FA that might be impactful?
Perhaps with last years draft and now actually doing something early instead of waiting for the frenzy to die down have they changed their talent acquisition philosophy a little?

I'm not sure where Bennett and Avril were ranked in FA, but I saw an opinion that claimed that this is our biggest FA signing since Sidney Rice.

[NorthHawk]

Here's PFT's take on the Jones contract details:

1. Signing bonus: $20 million.

2. 2023 base salary: $3 million, fully guaranteed.

3. 2024 base salary: $11 million, $7 million of which is fully guaranteed at signing. The amount becomes fully guaranteed on the fifth day of the 2024 waiver system.

4. 2025 base salary: $16 million.

The deal also includes $510,000 per year in per-game roster bonuses. That’s $30,000 per game.

The contract can a short as a one-year, $23 million deal, given that $7 million in guarantees don’t fully vest until next year. Looking at all three seasons, it has a maximum annual value of $17.1 million.

It's not a bad deal for both sides from first look.

[RiverDog]

The only downside of the Jones acquisition is that he missed the last 4 games of the 2022 season due to a hip injury, but our medical staff must feel pretty confident that he has or will recover from it. Otherwise, every publication I've read is giving us an A or A- grade, and the terms of the deal are very fair.

The more I see about this acquisition, the more I like about it. We've addressed a major weakness in our D. Jones is young enough to be a big part of our future, not just some stop gap or bridge player. If we end up taking an edge rusher like Will Anderson that could have an immediate impact, it could transform our defense.

[mykc14]

Is this signing the first time since Bennett or Avril that we've made a first day signing in FA that might be impactful?
Perhaps with last years draft and now actually doing something early instead of waiting for the frenzy to die down have they changed their talent acquisition philosophy a little?

I believe both Avril and Bennett were actually seen as cheaper than expected signings after the initial wave of free agency. They were both one or two year deals worth like 5 mil/year. I think one of our most aggressive FA signing so far has actually been Nwosu along with Sydney Rice. It really looks like this one blows the rest of them out of the water. I like the agression, hopefully it pays off.

[RiverDog]

I also saw that we pulled the plug on the Cody Barton experiment and let him walk, signed by the Commanders. He was a huge disappointment, and as our friend HT would say, it's addition by subtraction. His replacement can't help but to be an improvement. We also released Quinton Jefferson.

[RiverDog]

Is this signing the first time since Bennett or Avril that we've made a first day signing in FA that might be impactful?
Perhaps with last years draft and now actually doing something early instead of waiting for the frenzy to die down have they changed their talent acquisition philosophy a little?

I believe both Avril and Bennett were actually seen as cheaper than expected signings after the initial wave of free agency. They were both one or two year deals worth like 5 mil/year. I think one of our most aggressive FA signing so far has actually been Nwosu along with Sydney Rice. It really looks like this one blows the rest of them out of the water. I like the agression, hopefully it pays off.

That's how I remember the Bennett and Avril acquisitions, too, that they were considered 2nd tier at the time of the signing. Both turned out to be way more of a value than Sydney Rice, who fought injuries and never lived up to the hype.

The other first tier FA signing that we're forgetting about is Matt Flynn, who was the top FA quarterback in 2012.

[NorthHawk]

I also saw that we pulled the plug on the Cody Barton experiment and let him walk, signed by the Commanders. He was a huge disappointment, and as our friend HT would say, it's addition by subtraction. His replacement can't help but to be an improvement. We also released Quinton Jefferson.

I would guess that many of these moves like releasing Jefferson and cutting Harris is both a bit of a youth movement/Cap space move along with getting players that can better fit the system.
The knock on Jones is he's not a real good run stopper and we've been gashed by that the last few years so getting someone or two who are good inside DL will be needed.

[mykc14]

That's how I remember the Bennett and Avril acquisitions, too, that they were considered 2nd tier at the time of the signing. Both turned out to be way more of a value than Sydney Rice, who fought injuries and never lived up to the hype.

The other first tier FA signing that we're forgetting about is Matt Flynn, who was the top FA quarterback in 2012.

Flynn was one of the top QB's available that year, but not the top. The top was actually Manning who, if I remember correctly, refused to even meet with PC/JS. I can't remember the story exactly but they had a plane waiting for him or something and he basically told them to F-off.

[RiverDog]

That's how I remember the Bennett and Avril acquisitions, too, that they were considered 2nd tier at the time of the signing. Both turned out to be way more of a value than Sydney Rice, who fought injuries and never lived up to the hype.

The other first tier FA signing that we're forgetting about is Matt Flynn, who was the top FA quarterback in 2012.

Flynn was one of the top QB's available that year, but not the top. The top was actually Manning who, if I remember correctly, refused to even meet with PC/JS. I can't remember the story exactly but they had a plane waiting for him or something and he basically told them to F-off.

Oh, yeah, I remember now. Didn't Paul Allen send a jet to Denver to pick him up? Thanks for the reset!

[mykc14]

Oh, yeah, I remember now. Didn't Paul Allen send a jet to Denver to pick him up? Thanks for the reset!

I can't remember exactly what happened but it was something like that.

[mykc14]

I can't remember exactly what happened but it was something like that.

Ok, so I looked it up. PC was on a plane in Denver as Peyton was about to leave Denver to go visit Arizona. PC texted him and said, "hey I'm here can we get together and chat." Peyton called him and basically said, "no, I've got a commitment to go to Arizona and talk with them, sorry." Pretty interesting story actually. Ironically it worked out well for both of us!

[Stream Hawk]

Penny to Philly. I’m sad about it. He will rock with them. I know he is injury prone, but when he gets going he’s a top back in the league.

* And no, I don’t want to start some big long-winded debate.

[RiverDog]

Penny to Philly. I’m sad about it. He will rock with them. I know he is injury prone, but when he gets going he’s a top back in the league.

* And no, I don’t want to start some big long-winded debate.

Yep, I saw that. Word is that we tried to resign him, but he sprained his thumb trying to sign the contract.

That means that we may be in the market for another RB.

[NorthHawk]

I wish Penny well in PA. He just couldn’t stay healthy here.
It’s an incentive laden deal apparently and justly so.

We also tendered Ryan Neal at the lowest rate. $2.627M.

[Hawktawk]

Lol the thread gets more entertaining by the minute . Hearing the story about HGH forehead stiffing us makes 48 that much more sweet . I’m glad we had Russ instead .
Sucks for us about Penny . But even had he stayed healthy he and Walker couldn’t co exist long term . Both are home run style runners , bell cow lug the rock guys . Neither is a change of pace guy although their styles were . Penny proved he belonged in the elite category over an 11 game stretch of truly astounding numbers . I do wish him well if we aren’t playing him but if the guy is healthy with Philly he’s going for 1500 and 15 touches .

[RiverDog]

Sucks for us about Penny . But even had he stayed healthy he and Walker couldn’t co exist long term . Both are home run style runners , bell cow lug the rock guys . Neither is a change of pace guy although their styles were . Penny proved he belonged in the elite category over an 11 game stretch of truly astounding numbers . I do wish him well if we aren’t playing him but if the guy is healthy with Philly he’s going for 1500 and 15 touches .

That's true. Walker and Penny were not complimentary as neither of them are 3rd down backs. All they were was insurance in case one of them got hurt. Pretty expensive insurance policy.

It will be interesting to see what we do in the draft with regards to a running back. I really don't want to take one above the 3rd round.

[Agent 86]

I wish Penny well in PA. He just couldn’t stay healthy here.
It’s an incentive laden deal apparently and justly so.

We also tendered Ryan Neal at the lowest rate. $2.627M.

Here is more info on the Ryan Neal tender. They gave him the "right of first refusal" tender, meaning they can match any offer anyone gives him but if he signs the tender, he will get a 1 year deal for $2.6 million. But if they don't match someone else's offer, he leaves and the Seahawks get nothing back. They could have tendered him at the 2nd round level which means they would get a 2nd round pick for anyone that signs him and they don't match, but that also would have bumped his salary up to $4.3 million.

They still have the ability to work out a longer term deal now, but they had to place some kind of tender on him before 1:00pm tomorrow in order not to lose him to UFA.

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/seahawks-give-ryan-neal-right-of-first-refusal-tender/

[Aseahawkfan]

Penny on another one year prove it deal. I figured Seattle wasn't going to try any more after 5 years. 5 years is more than most players get a chance to play when they can't stay on the field. Penny's upside made teams keep hoping he would turn it around for a few years at least.

Ryan Neal tendered is good. He seems like solid depth.

[govandals]

I thought Neal would get a second round tender. This first refusal tender feels kinda risky to me. Hopefully they are just biding some time to get a modest multi-year deal done.
I read PCJS were in on Zach Allen as well. They were willing to spend on both Allen and Dre'mont Jones. This is good news, maybe they are not done spending yet.
Sad to see Rashaad Penny go. Maybe someday he will be healthy enough to play 17 games.

[RiverDog]

Penny on another one year prove it deal. I figured Seattle wasn't going to try any more after 5 years. 5 years is more than most players get a chance to play when they can't stay on the field. Penny's upside made teams keep hoping he would turn it around for a few years at least.

Ryan Neal tendered is good. He seems like solid depth.

Yeah, no word on the terms of Penny's new contract other than it's just one year.

I liked Neal better than I did Adams. He's more than just depth, he's a legitimate starter. I'd love to see them get rid of Adams and let Neal fill his shoes. Not sure if that's the plan or not, but something's gotta give with the contracts our two safeties have.

[govandals]

I'm still hoping for the post June 1st release of Adams!

[Stream Hawk]

Jarran Reed is coming back per Corbin Smith. I love that they are focusing on the defensive interior!

[govandals]

Very happy with Jarran Reed returning, he is super solid. I am a little surprised as I thought he was butt hurt when he left.

[NorthHawk]

I suspect that if they gave Neal the 2nd round tender they considered ~ $40M for that group too much money.
In reality, $36M is also too much for 2 Safeties.

Cool about Reed returning. If he’s still effective it really takes heat off the draft to take a DE early unless they see him as a NT.

[RiverDog]

CBS Sports has given our free agency performance an 'A' to this point. Here's what they said:

Key additions: DL Dre'Mont Jones (Broncos). Key re-signings: QB Geno Smith

The Broncos are the gift that keeps on giving for the Seahawks. Dumping quarterback Russell Wilson on them in exchange for five draft picks and three players brought the Pete Carroll Era back to life in Seattle as they got unprecedented, immediate impact from their 2022 rookie draft class. Seattle first-year players started 70 games as a group in 2022, tied for the most by any playoff team since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger, along with the 2018 Colts.

Seattle also has the fifth overall pick in the upcoming NFL Draft thanks to Wilson's first-year flameout at Mile High Stadium, allowing them to potentially grab a quarterback of the future to learn under Geno Smith, who played like a top-five quarterback in 2022 en route to a three-year, $75 million extension this offseason. That contract puts the Seahawks in position to have some stability at the position while not sacrificing flexibility either. However, they could also just select one of the draft's top three draft prospects between Alabama's Will Anderson Jr, Georgia's Jalen Carter, or Texas Tech's Tyree Wilson. If the Arizona Cardinals trade down from their third overall pick spot with a quarterback-hungry team, the Seahawks could have their pick of any of those three.

Not to mention Seattle also took another key asset from the Broncos in defensive end Dre'Mont Jones, whom they signed on a three-year deal for $51.5 million on Monday, according to NFL Media. The 26-year-old has recorded a minimum of 5.5 sacks and seven tackles for loss in every season since 2020 after shifting to the defensive end spot from defensive tackle after his rookie year in 2019. Last season, Jones had a career year with 6.5 sacks and nine tackles for loss. The Seahawks are a good draft away from becoming a long-term contender in the NFC.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2023 ... Vp_09LrVL0

[govandals]

Cool about Reed returning. If he’s still effective it really takes heat off the draft to take a DE early unless they see him as a NT.

I'm pretty sure he was a DE in the Packers 3-4 defense last year.

[jshawaii22]

I guess Jaron is less costly then Shelby would of been.

I'd like to see us at least sign a FA center that has some experience, even if we intend to draft one, like at #20 (sorry RD, but that's the spot right now to get the BEST one in the draft.)

[RiverDog]

I guess Jaron is less costly then Shelby would of been.

I'd like to see us at least sign a FA center that has some experience, even if we intend to draft one, like at #20 (sorry RD, but that's the spot right now to get the BEST one in the draft.

No need to apologize, I'm good with taking a center at #20, especially after the FA signing of Jones that addresses another need. My only concern was that it's unusual for a center to be drafted that high and that we could probably get our guy in the 2nd round or trade down to the lower part of the first round and still get him, but if we're convinced, he's the right man, than by all means, pull the trigger at #20. Don't tell Cbob, but I'm thinking of putting Schmitz as my top player at #20 in his 3 deep draft contest.

[RiverDog]

First Penny, now Homer:

More running back movement: Former Seahawks’ RB Travis Homer is signing a two-year deal worth a maximum of $4.5 million with the Chicago Bears, per his agent Spencer Cannold.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status ... 1565743104

It's interesting that Homer got a better contract than Penny did. Here's Penny's contract details:

Penny’s one-year deal is reportedly worth $1.35 million with only $600K guaranteed and a max value of $2.1 million.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/ra ... r-AA18CTSW

But then again, who would you rather play for, the Eagles or the Bears?

[NorthHawk]

Homer is also a good ST player as an added value.
I would think RB will be on the radar at some point in the draft.

[RiverDog]

I'd like to see us at least sign a FA center that has some experience, even if we intend to draft one, like at #20 (sorry RD, but that's the spot right now to get the BEST one in the draft.)

There's not a lot of quality FA centers out there. According to PFF's ranking, the highest rated center is none other than Ethan Pocic.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2023-free- ... ve-linemen

[obiken]

Penny to Philly. I’m sad about it. He will rock with them. I know he is injury prone, but when he gets going he’s a top back in the league.

* And no, I don’t want to start some big long-winded debate.

Sorry, and I dont mean to start one SH, but he never is healthy, some guys just have the injury Jinx, and some guys dont. I am happy he is gone and I wish him the best!

[obiken]

The only downside of the Jones acquisition is that he missed the last 4 games of the 2022 season due to a hip injury, but our medical staff must feel pretty confident that he has or will recover from it. Otherwise, every publication I've read is giving us an A or A- grade, and the terms of the deal are very fair.
The more I see about this acquisition, the more I like about it. We've addressed a major weakness in our D. Jones is young enough to be a big part of our future, not just some stop gap or bridge player. If we end up taking an edge rusher like Will Anderson that could have an immediate impact, it could transform our defense.

I think its a great pickup Riv, but 51 million is a little steep.

[RiverDog]

The only downside of the Jones acquisition is that he missed the last 4 games of the 2022 season due to a hip injury, but our medical staff must feel pretty confident that he has or will recover from it. Otherwise, every publication I've read is giving us an A or A- grade, and the terms of the deal are very fair.
The more I see about this acquisition, the more I like about it. We've addressed a major weakness in our D. Jones is young enough to be a big part of our future, not just some stop gap or bridge player. If we end up taking an edge rusher like Will Anderson that could have an immediate impact, it could transform our defense.

I think its a great pickup Riv, but 51 million is a little steep.

Yeah, maybe. But where else are you going to spend that money? It's a helluva lot better than shooting our wad on two safeties.

[NorthHawk]

Here are the particulars of Jones’ deal according to PFT.

1. Signing bonus: $20 million.

2. 2023 base salary: $3 million, fully guaranteed.

3. 2024 base salary: $11 million, $7 million of which is fully guaranteed at signing. The amount becomes fully guaranteed on the fifth day of the 2024 waiver system.

4. 2025 base salary: $16 million.

The deal also includes $510,000 per year in per-game roster bonuses. That’s $30,000 per game.

The contract can a short as a one-year, $23 million deal, given that $7 million in guarantees don’t fully vest until next year. Looking at all three seasons, it has a maximum annual value of $17.1 million.