Next up: the draft

[RiverDog]

There's already some talk about Carter receiving preferential treatment:

Of preferential treatment and Georgia's Jalen Carter

Somehow, Carter, a top prospect in the 2023 NFL draft, was booked at 11:33 p.m. Wednesday and released on $4,000 bail 16 minutes later. He turned himself into Athens County Jail and was processed there.

A call to Athens-Clarke County Court revealed there is no night court so Carter could not have gone through that system before learning his arraignment date was April 18. He was actually booked by police.

The cost of two lives? Sixteen minutes.

And one has to wonder how the process took place at nearly midnight in Georgia — there isn’t a night court. It is like a bad episode of “Law & Order.”

More like “Law & Disorder.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/of ... r-AA188ZuO

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Here's the draft people.

1.17 Lukas Van Ness (Edge) Iowa
1.20 O'Cyrus Torrence (G) UF
2.5 John Michael Schmitz (C) Minnesota
2.12 Siaki Ika (DT) Baylor
2.20 Jack Campbell (LB) Iowa
3.17 Jordan Battle (S) Bama
3.20 Jaylon Jones (CB) TAMU

Traded 1.5 to ATL for 1.8 and 2.12
Traded 1.8 to PIT for 1.17, 3.17, and 4.17
(I didn't bother with rounds 4-7)

Now all Pete and John have to do is read this thread.

[jshawaii22]

Preferential treatment for a Georgia Bulldog star.... in Georgia? NO! Since he waited 2 hours before going back, I'm sure that gave plenty of time for him to call his "person" on the team to come help.. Probably had a lawyer or 2 waiting at the police station for him with the cash. So what? Doesn't make him any more guilty or innocent. That's for a court to decide in due time.

[c_hawkbob]

As I'm laid up and not working, after watching the D-line/Edge drill and run at the combine I'm having a hard time buying that isn't a deep draft. I don't think I've ever seen so much speed and athleticism at this point in any combine. I could fill my entire three deep board with just this group!

[Aseahawkfan]

As I'm laid up and not working, after watching the D-line/Edge drill and run at the combine I'm having a hard time buying that isn't a deep draft. I don't think I've ever seen so much speed and athleticism at this point in any combine. I could fill my entire three deep board with just this group!

I saw that. Some of these guys are really moving.

[Hawktawk]

There's already some talk about Carter receiving preferential treatment:

Of preferential treatment and Georgia's Jalen Carter

Somehow, Carter, a top prospect in the 2023 NFL draft, was booked at 11:33 p.m. Wednesday and released on $4,000 bail 16 minutes later. He turned himself into Athens County Jail and was processed there.

A call to Athens-Clarke County Court revealed there is no night court so Carter could not have gone through that system before learning his arraignment date was April 18. He was actually booked by police.

The cost of two lives? Sixteen minutes.

And one has to wonder how the process took place at nearly midnight in Georgia — there isn’t a night court. It is like a bad episode of “Law & Order.”

More like “Law & Disorder.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/of ... r-AA188ZuO

Preferential treatment comes to multi millionaire athletes which in effect he is . He’s a young man with a street legal race car clowning around and unfortunately there was a woman in another vehicle who was drunk enough many would be unconscious. She drove off a curve at over 100 mph . There is nothing in his arrest warrant about vehicular homicide . He’s not responsible for the deaths . Not buying this 16 minutes is the cost of 2 lives . The university allowing a recruiter over .20 to be driving a university vehicle transporting student athletes cost 2 lives .

Carter’s the shiny object . He bears no responsibility for that crash . The university is another story .

[c_hawkbob]

I think I have to agree. There's video of him in his Trackhawk (a Grand Cherokee with a 700+ hp Hellcat motor) at a stoplight with her behind him in what looks like a Ford Expedition (the news said it was an Explorer, not that it matters) ... When the light turned green he goosed the Trackhawk and maybe 2 seconds later she took off in the Ford. He'd gotten 3 speeding tickets in that beast since buying it and obviously had a habit of driving fast, she had zero chance of catching up to him but I think she tried. I think the worst they got on him is speeding and perhaps reckless driving.

[Hawktawk]

I think I have to agree. There's video of him in his Trackhawk (a Grand Cherokee with a 700+ hp Hellcat motor) at a stoplight with her behind him in what looks like a Ford Expedition (the news said it was an Explorer, not that it matters) ... When the light turned green he goosed the Trackhawk and maybe 2 seconds later she took off in the Ford. He'd gotten 3 speeding tickets in that beast since buying it and obviously had a habit of driving fast, she had zero chance of catching up to him but I think she tried. I think the worst they got on him is speeding and perhaps reckless driving.

Yes Bob I saw that video shot . He’s half a block ahead in a couple seconds when the light turns green . That expedition is a tank , 6 k pounds , maybe 400 horse with 2 offensive linemen riding in it . Thr trackhawk would easily beat it at half throttle or less . She’s the one who thought it was a race tragically . Probably crashed trying to catch him .

I saw his rap sheet for speeding . He’s me with talent . At one point I had so many tickets I had to go to traffic class . I burned a couple sets of rear tires off whatever muscle car I had at the time every few months . Outran a grant county sheriff in a 1969 dodge super bee one night . But for the grace of god there goes I.

This isn’t Ruggs plowing someone after 17 shots . It’s not Tunsill with a gas mask bong on social media . It’s a car guy wound up part of a terrible tragedy not of his making .
I don’t know how good he is , what kind of player he will be . I don’t really know much about him as a person . People extrapolate he’s bad because he left the scene . He wasn’t in the accident . He’s not charged with leaving the scene .

I’ve been involved in a fatal wreck . Don’t judge reactions of someone involved in that horror . There was no alcohol or drugs suspected from him either . It’s not right linking him with an extreme DUI fatal .

I just hope this isn’t something that holds this young man back in life . I’m sure it will be with him always like all that team

[TriCitySam]

Seahawks awarded "Best Draft Class of 2022", voted on by their peers....there will those who whine about what they don't like about previous drafts. Some not so good (EVERYBODY whiffs), but if you match them up as I have, JS drafts as well as anyone. As a whole, they're a top 5. Great job guys!

[Old but Slow]

It is almost time to throw out all those old mock drafts, as the Combine is beginning to shake things out. How about Ade Adebawore? At 282 pounds he ran a 4.49 40-yard with a 1.61 split. He had a 37" vertical and benched 27 times. And a great attitude and personality. And then all-world Will Anderson had a 1.60 split, which is fast, but 12 edge rushers and linebackers were faster. I have not found Anderson's 40 time, but I believe it was plus 4.5.

Calijah Kancey, the best pass rushing DT, who is almost exactly the same size as Aaron Donald when he came out, except his arm length is over 2" less. An arm length of 30 5/8" is far below what the Seahawks have ever signed. He ran his 40 in 4.67, which is crazy for a defensive tackle, so he represents a real puzzle.

Nolan Smith, linebacker, ran a 4.39 and high jumped 41.5" at 238 pounds. His 1.52 10 yard split is elite, as well. A couple of big DTs performed well and would look good in our uniforms were Keeanu Benton and Zacch Pickens. Gervon Dexter could be a later round DT.

Anyway, that is only after day one. They still have messed up the scheduling for TV purposes, so participation in the short shuttle and 3-cone were not run by a lot of the players for whom it could make a difference.

[RiverDog]

It is almost time to throw out all those old mock drafts, as the Combine is beginning to shake things out. How about Ade Adebawore? At 282 pounds he ran a 4.49 40-yard with a 1.61 split. He had a 37" vertical and benched 27 times. And a great attitude and personality. And then all-world Will Anderson had a 1.60 split, which is fast, but 12 edge rushers and linebackers were faster. I have not found Anderson's 40 time, but I believe it was plus 4.5.

Calijah Kancey, the best pass rushing DT, who is almost exactly the same size as Aaron Donald when he came out, except his arm length is over 2" less. An arm length of 30 5/8" is far below what the Seahawks have ever signed. He ran his 40 in 4.67, which is crazy for a defensive tackle, so he represents a real puzzle.

Nolan Smith, linebacker, ran a 4.39 and high jumped 41.5" at 238 pounds. His 1.52 10 yard split is elite, as well. A couple of big DTs performed well and would look good in our uniforms were Keeanu Benton and Zacch Pickens. Gervon Dexter could be a later round DT.

Anyway, that is only after day one. They still have messed up the scheduling for TV purposes, so participation in the short shuttle and 3-cone were not run by a lot of the players for whom it could make a difference.

Thanks for the report, ObS! Hopefully your logging in problems have been resolved. I noticed this morning that I had been signed out and had to log back in, but my browser remembers my user name and password so it's just a matter of a couple of clicks.

[Old but Slow]

So far, so good, RiverDog. I can only just use this machine, and most of its functions are beyond me. And I don't know any 8 year olds to teach me.

Today was a bit slow, as the DB drills were uninspiring, but there were some nice results anyway. Julius Brents put on a show as a 6'3" corner. He did a 41.5" vertical, and long jumped (my broad jumping days are over) 11' 6". He is long with 34" arms and a 82 5/8" wing span. His 40 of 4.53 is not exceptional, but is reminiscent of Richard Sherman. Brian Branch who has been rated a first round safety was unimpressive, running a 4.58 with a vertical of only 34". And his arms are short. Emmanuel Forbes is interesting, running a 4.35 with a 37" vertical. Good movement skills in the drills and his arms are over 32". He is just over 6 feet, but, but, but, he weighs 166 pounds. Yikes. Darius Rush is a corner who has been projected as a day 3 guy, but really came on today, running 4.36 and he is 6' 2" with 33 3/8" arms.

Sidney Brown the safety from Canada by way of Illinois was good today in drills and jumped well. J L Skinner did not run which is disappointing, but has to remain in the conversation.

[RiverDog]

So far, so good, RiverDog. I can only just use this machine, and most of its functions are beyond me. And I don't know any 8 year olds to teach me.

Today was a bit slow, as the DB drills were uninspiring, but there were some nice results anyway. Julius Brents put on a show as a 6'3" corner. He did a 41.5" vertical, and long jumped (my broad jumping days are over) 11' 6". He is long with 34" arms and a 82 5/8" wing span. His 40 of 4.53 is not exceptional, but is reminiscent of Richard Sherman. Brian Branch who has been rated a first round safety was unimpressive, running a 4.58 with a vertical of only 34". And his arms are short. Emmanuel Forbes is interesting, running a 4.35 with a 37" vertical. Good movement skills in the drills and his arms are over 32". He is just over 6 feet, but, but, but, he weighs 166 pounds. Yikes. Darius Rush is a corner who has been projected as a day 3 guy, but really came on today, running 4.36 and he is 6' 2" with 33 3/8" arms.

Sidney Brown the safety from Canada by way of Illinois was good today in drills and jumped well. J L Skinner did not run which is disappointing, but has to remain in the conversation.

Thanks again for the update. The combine is an incredibly boring event for me, worse than a track meet as there's no head-to-head competition. But I recognize that it's a key factor to those of us who try to anticipate what the draft might look like.

[Old but Slow]

Actually, watching the Combine is like watching paint dry. Boring. And the parts that I have watched were with the sound off. Such blathering.

What I like is the statistics. The Seahawks have standards of things like arm length, 40 speed, and such, and those standards allow me to find the players I want to look at further on YouTube, or wherever. For instance, yesterday the defensive backs had their day, and immediately most of them were not likely to be considered, especially since only a handful had arms of 32" or better. It is not a hard and fast rule, but the player must have some other outstanding features to be looked at with short arms.

Right away today, Bryce Young measured shorter than expected, and about 20 pounds heavier. Anthony Richardson is even bigger than was thought and has 10.5" hands. And more to be learned.

This is my element.

[Hawktawk]

Actually, watching the Combine is like watching paint dry. Boring. And the parts that I have watched were with the sound off. Such blathering.

What I like is the statistics. The Seahawks have standards of things like arm length, 40 speed, and such, and those standards allow me to find the players I want to look at further on YouTube, or wherever. For instance, yesterday the defensive backs had their day, and immediately most of them were not likely to be considered, especially since only a handful had arms of 32" or better. It is not a hard and fast rule, but the player must have some other outstanding features to be looked at with short arms.

Right away today, Bryce Young measured shorter than expected, and about 20 pounds heavier. Anthony Richardson is even bigger than was thought and has 10.5" hands. And more to be learned.

This is my element.

Same as river I’m appreciative of guys who are draft gurus who put in the time and share what they learn with the rest of us . It sounds like a stacked class .

[RiverDog]

Actually, watching the Combine is like watching paint dry. Boring. And the parts that I have watched were with the sound off. Such blathering.

What I like is the statistics. The Seahawks have standards of things like arm length, 40 speed, and such, and those standards allow me to find the players I want to look at further on YouTube, or wherever. For instance, yesterday the defensive backs had their day, and immediately most of them were not likely to be considered, especially since only a handful had arms of 32" or better. It is not a hard and fast rule, but the player must have some other outstanding features to be looked at with short arms.

Right away today, Bryce Young measured shorter than expected, and about 20 pounds heavier. Anthony Richardson is even bigger than was thought and has 10.5" hands. And more to be learned.

This is my element.

Same as river I’m appreciative of guys who are draft gurus who put in the time and share what they learn with the rest of us . It sounds like a stacked class .

Absolutely agree with HT. I, too, am very appreciative of the Old Slow Man and I never thought about trends that have been established with certain physical measurements of potential draftees. Perhaps that's something I should look into as it sounds interesting. But why do you have to watch the combine live to glean that kind of information? Isn't there a website somewhere that offers it in a condensed form?

That's surprising about Young's weigh in. I didn't want to draft him anyway, but his weight might scare off a team that picks ahead of us and cause them to opt for a QB like Stroud or Levis that we might be considering, especially now that it seems like Carter has taken himself out of top 5 consideration.

[Old but Slow]

Just the ticket. Try: steelersdepot.com and look for the combine results tracker. It lists all of the available stats and refreshes every few minutes. And no Steelers propaganda.

[RiverDog]

Bryce Young checked in at 5'10 1/8", 204 lbs, very close to Kyler Murray's measurements. I think 'bama had him listed at 6'0", 197 lbs.

[NorthHawk]

Bryce Young checked in at 5'10 1/8", 204 lbs, very close to Kyler Murray's measurements. I think 'bama had him listed at 6'0", 197 lbs.

Very close to Wilson, too. 5’10 5/8 204 lbs. but he doesn’t seem to be as solid as I remember Wilson was at the start of his career.
For some reason he looks slighter.

[c_hawkbob]

Just in case you haven't had a chance to see Will Levis sling the rock: https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1281843359097214

[NorthHawk]

I think his release is as quick as Marino’s. There’s hardly any windup.

[RiverDog]

Bryce Young checked in at 5'10 1/8", 204 lbs, very close to Kyler Murray's measurements. I think 'bama had him listed at 6'0", 197 lbs.

Very close to Wilson, too. 5’10 5/8 204 lbs. but he doesn’t seem to be as solid as I remember Wilson was at the start of his career.
For some reason he looks slighter.

Except that Young is a bit faster, or so we've been told. Young is supposed to have run the 40 in 4.38, same as Murray. Russell clocked in at 4.55.

[RiverDog]

Just in case you haven't had a chance to see Will Levis sling the rock: https://www.facebook.com/watch?v=1281843359097214

I don't think there's any doubt about the quality of Levi's arm and his delivery. The real questions are his accuracy and jersey identification.

[govandals]

Oh goodness, the big 3 qb's looked fantastic yesterday.
CJ Stroud was just so smooth, looked like Joe Cool out there, tremendous accuracy. He may go #1
Richardson's testing was just off the charts. The guy is unbelievable!

I would be perfectly happy with Levis, Stroud or Richardson at #5, problem is, none of them will be there. PCJS need to move up a few spots and I am ok with that. I just cannot imagine a scenario where they trade Russ and don't come out of it with a franchise qb.

I saw a video the other day with Kyler Murray (207 lbs.) and Bryce Young (204 lbs.) together. No way, I mean no way does Young look as big as Murray. I don't know when the video was taken, this year, last year, 3 years ago, but Young's frame is just so slight. Maybe he lifted A TON of weights in prep for the combine or drank a lot of water just before the weigh-in to get to that 204 lb mark. It's been said he played at 185 last year. I think his tape is the best of all the qb's, but I'm leery of his durability at the NFL level. If he is the pick at #5, I would still be happy, but I want the other 3 qb's more.

[RiverDog]

Oh goodness, the big 3 qb's looked fantastic yesterday.
CJ Stroud was just so smooth, looked like Joe Cool out there, tremendous accuracy. He may go #1
Richardson's testing was just off the charts. The guy is unbelievable!

I would be perfectly happy with Levis, Stroud or Richardson at #5, problem is, none of them will be there. PCJS need to move up a few spots and I am ok with that. I just cannot imagine a scenario where they trade Russ and don't come out of it with a franchise qb.

I saw a video the other day with Kyler Murray (207 lbs.) and Bryce Young (204 lbs.) together. No way, I mean no way does Young look as big as Murray. I don't know when the video was taken, this year, last year, 3 years ago, but Young's frame is just so slight. Maybe he lifted A TON of weights in prep for the combine or drank a lot of water just before the weigh-in to get to that 204 lb mark. It's been said he played at 185 last year. I think his tape is the best of all the qb's, but I'm leery of his durability at the NFL level. If he is the pick at #5, I would still be happy, but I want the other 3 qb's more.

That would align with what ObS had said about Young's expected weight. As far as I know, Young hasn't run a 40 yet. It would be interesting to see if his time comes in closer to Murray's or to Russell's.

I'm not sure if all 3 of your aforementioned QB's (Stroud, Levis, and Richardson) will be gone by the time we pick. Unless there's a trade, there's only two QB needy teams ahead of us, the Texans and Colts.

[NorthHawk]

It's doubtful that all 4 go before we pick at 5 and any of these QBs will help us but as we saw, some of them are just special. I'm wondering if Young is thinking he made a mistake not participating in the throwing drills, but it's done now.
When you think about accuracy, remember that these same comments were said about Mahomes and Allen in their draft year. Allen was said to have poor accuracy and Mahomes had a bad final year also with accuracy concerns but they are
now two of the better QBs in the NFL.
Teams can and do fall in love with potential, but many also go back to the College tape on players and rely on that more than the Combine. It's been said it's an event that confirms or surprises teams who have evaluation grades on players and many
times sends them back into the film room to see if what they saw at the Combine was what shows up on tape.
From that perspective, Bryce Young might still be one of the first 2 QBs selected and the Combine might push someone like Richardson who was considered around 7 - 10 or later to rise into the top 5.
I'd be happy with any of these 4 QBs but prefer the larger ones as we've been down the smaller QB route before.

[govandals]

I'm not sure if all 3 of your aforementioned QB's (Stroud, Levis, and Richardson) will be gone by the time we pick. Unless there's a trade, there's only two QB needy teams ahead of us, the Texans and Colts.

I'd bet one of Chicago or Arizona (probably both) will deal their pick to a qb needy team for a king's ransom.

[RiverDog]

It's doubtful that all 4 go before we pick at 5 and any of these QBs will help us but as we saw, some of them are just special. I'm wondering if Young is thinking he made a mistake not participating in the throwing drills, but it's done now.
When you think about accuracy, remember that these same comments were said about Mahomes and Allen in their draft year. Allen was said to have poor accuracy and Mahomes had a bad final year also with accuracy concerns but they are
now two of the better QBs in the NFL.
Teams can and do fall in love with potential, but many also go back to the College tape on players and rely on that more than the Combine. It's been said it's an event that confirms or surprises teams who have evaluation grades on players and many
times sends them back into the film room to see if what they saw at the Combine was what shows up on tape.
From that perspective, Bryce Young might still be one of the first 2 QBs selected and the Combine might push someone like Richardson who was considered around 7 - 10 or later to rise into the top 5.
I'd be happy with any of these 4 QBs but prefer the larger ones as we've been down the smaller QB route before.

I don't want anything to do with another sub 6' Mighty Mite quarterback like Young. I'm ready for a bigger, stronger dude that can run a QB sneak or can bowl over a DB in an effort to get that extra yard when they scramble. IMO we suffered a lot in short yardage and goal line situations because Russell wasn't much of a threat to carry the ball.

[RiverDog]

I'm not sure if all 3 of your aforementioned QB's (Stroud, Levis, and Richardson) will be gone by the time we pick. Unless there's a trade, there's only two QB needy teams ahead of us, the Texans and Colts.

I'd bet one of Chicago or Arizona (probably both) will deal their pick to a qb needy team for a king's ransom.

If there's going to be that much competition to move up, I don't want to be paying a king's ransom just to move up 2 or 3 spots. Any of these QB's are going to be a gamble, and I don't want to mortgage our future on a wing and a prayer.

[Hawktawk]

I'm not sure if all 3 of your aforementioned QB's (Stroud, Levis, and Richardson) will be gone by the time we pick. Unless there's a trade, there's only two QB needy teams ahead of us, the Texans and Colts.

“ gv,
I'd bet one of Chicago or Arizona (probably both) will deal their pick to a qb needy team for a king's ransom.[/quote]

If I’m AZ I take a qb. Jk obviously but if AZ isn’t the best argument against Young what is . Russ made a lot of guys including himself a lot of money but these other slight short guys haven’t been the next Russ and he’s not himself any more . Stroud appears the most complete . Richardson maybe the most potential . Levis “ next Josh Allen “ ok . I love Josh Allen’s game but he led the league in turnovers this year and has yet to win a divisional in his 6th season too . It seems with Carters arrest it’s scrambled the top for teams who maybe weren’t leaning quarterback but might say what the hell . I’ve warmed up to the thought of taking the right guy , don’t see it as young . Levis is a shiny object imo . There’s a reason they shine . He and Richardson have the most to work on to be ready.

[govandals]

If there's going to be that much competition to move up, I don't want to be paying a king's ransom just to move up 2 or 3 spots. Any of these QB's are going to be a gamble, and I don't want to mortgage our future on a wing and a prayer.

I understand that side of it too, the draft really is a crapshoot. However, you can't win the lottery without buying a lottery ticket.

[NorthHawk]

Both Arizona and Chicago could use DL help and with the unknown about Carter and how teams now view him, who knows if one of them select him, but Will Anderson would surely be on the radar for both teams.
Would they both drop back past #5 with the expectation of getting one of them or Tyree Wilson? Maybe, but that's the fun part of the draft. Perhaps Chicago does a deal with the Raiders or Panthers and gets a real gold mine of picks over the next few years and Arizona follows suit with the Raiders. That could take all 4 QBs off the board early which would leave us out of luck.
I suspect after this Combine, JS will have a much better idea of how other teams view the top QBs and if he wants one bad enough to move up a spot or 2 to get one if he needs to.

[Aseahawkfan]

I don't want anything to do with another sub 6' Mighty Mite quarterback like Young. I'm ready for a bigger, stronger dude that can run a QB sneak or can bowl over a DB in an effort to get that extra yard when they scramble. IMO we suffered a lot in short yardage and goal line situations because Russell wasn't much of a threat to carry the ball.

Seems Russ is the only one who pulled it off at a high level. Not smart to assume every QB that size can suddenly make it in the NFL. So a bigger guy might be a better play.

I'm starting to want to take a chance on this Richardson guy. Pete seems like just the kind of coach to make a guy like that shine.

[NorthHawk]

They kept comparing Young to Brees, so that’s another shorter QB.

[RiverDog]

I don't want anything to do with another sub 6' Mighty Mite quarterback like Young. I'm ready for a bigger, stronger dude that can run a QB sneak or can bowl over a DB in an effort to get that extra yard when they scramble. IMO we suffered a lot in short yardage and goal line situations because Russell wasn't much of a threat to carry the ball.

Seems Russ is the only one who pulled it off at a high level. Not smart to assume every QB that size can suddenly make it in the NFL. So a bigger guy might be a better play.

The gurus that everyone mocked so much after Russell broke the height barrier weren't a pack of dummies. Some people actually equated their 'ignorance' to that of the pre-Jackie Robinson baseball owners and the color barrier. There were good reasons why they hedged on short quarterbacks.

I'm starting to want to take a chance on this Richardson guy. Pete seems like just the kind of coach to make a guy like that shine.

He sure blew the doors off at the combine and his workout performance might have elevated himself in the first QB taken, especially given that Young scared a few people by his height/weight measurements.

From what I'm hearing, all 3 QB's of the top QB's that participated in the drills....Richardson, Stroud, and Levis...threw the ball really well and I wouldn't be bummed if any one of them fell to us.

[Old but Slow]

It seems likely that the 3 big quarterbacks will go 1, 2, 3. This is a QB driven league and this is the best group in years, so there will be teams trading into those positions, and paying big time.

Don't hate me, but I think it is time to trade up. The only players I can see that would be of top value are Anderson, who did not perform well at the Combine, Bijan Robinson (how many first round RBs do we need?), Young, and maybe Christian Gonzalez. Tyree Wilson may be the only defensive front 7 player worth a top 5 pick, but he has not worked out yet, and may be over rated. Carter is out of the question.

Trading up would cost a mint. It would likely take both first round picks, one of the seconds, and a first next year. And maybe Barton (hmm, I am liking this even more). It would be a gamble, but this is the kind of opportunity that is rare. Bloody. Lose the gamble and you are out 4 good players and it will cost a year of development. But, win and you may be looking at a dynasty. Or, a contender, anyway.

There are only a handful of teams with the wealth of picks we have, and we should take advantage of that.

Of course, if before the draft it becomes clear that one of the 3 is going to be there at 5, no problem.

[RiverDog]

It seems likely that the 3 big quarterbacks will go 1, 2, 3. This is a QB driven league and this is the best group in years, so there will be teams trading into those positions, and paying big time.

Don't hate me, but I think it is time to trade up. The only players I can see that would be of top value are Anderson, who did not perform well at the Combine, Bijan Robinson (how many first round RBs do we need?), Young, and maybe Christian Gonzalez. Tyree Wilson may be the only defensive front 7 player worth a top 5 pick, but he has not worked out yet, and may be over rated. Carter is out of the question.

Trading up would cost a mint. It would likely take both first round picks, one of the seconds, and a first next year. And maybe Barton (hmm, I am liking this even more). It would be a gamble, but this is the kind of opportunity that is rare. Bloody. Lose the gamble and you are out 4 good players and it will cost a year of development. But, win and you may be looking at a dynasty. Or, a contender, anyway.

There are only a handful of teams with the wealth of picks we have, and we should take advantage of that.

Of course, if before the draft it becomes clear that one of the 3 is going to be there at 5, no problem.

So three first round picks, a 2nd, and a starting player just to move up a few spots? That's a worse fleecing than the Niners paid to move up 9 spots to the #3 overall to take Trey Lance, and how's that one worked out so far? The Cards are one of those teams ahead of us that are not thought to be in the QB market, and I can't see cutting a monster deal like that with a divisional opponent.

I'm not opposed to trading up, but not if it's going to cost us that much.

[Hawktawk]

So here we are . Some want to bet the farm on these guys , trade everything for whatever one we get . Some want to take our chances . Some want to trade back . I say this based on what I’ve read right on this forum .
Lots of guys not highly rated had high measurables , some above projected top picks.
To the degree it’s possible to know the top QBs look excellent .

I look back over 6 years and see 1 sure fire guy . Mahomes. He might be HOF if ge retired right now . Then Burrow . Gotta put Hurts there behind and Allen next . Levis prototype but no divisional wins and ended last loss in a shouting match with Diggs . So having a really fun to watch qb guarantees nothing . Win it all or what’s the difference ?

Where’s Arod going to go help them win a title like he last did in 2009. How about 25-15 Carr for 40 mil per ?
I think back on that sure fire 2012 draft , luck , rg 111, Tannehill , cousins , Russ, Foles . The third rounder is the only one who became great . Cousins in the second round became very good but can’t win squat . Foles won a damn super bowl as a backup . He went quite late . Snake bit by injuries and inconsistency

Last year I saw a hawks team not as far off as many think . Front 7 help
, interior line help which will happen , bolster run game with quality backups. Maybe a good #3 reciever .

There’s a window right now imo. Genos negotiations are a huge factor and if he’s not back one would expect a qb to be selected day one or 2 . I’m as engaged as ever , fun having all the picks .

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

It seems likely that the 3 big quarterbacks will go 1, 2, 3. This is a QB driven league and this is the best group in years, so there will be teams trading into those positions, and paying big time.

Don't hate me, but I think it is time to trade up. The only players I can see that would be of top value are Anderson, who did not perform well at the Combine, Bijan Robinson (how many first round RBs do we need?), Young, and maybe Christian Gonzalez. Tyree Wilson may be the only defensive front 7 player worth a top 5 pick, but he has not worked out yet, and may be over rated. Carter is out of the question.

Trading up would cost a mint. It would likely take both first round picks, one of the seconds, and a first next year. And maybe Barton (hmm, I am liking this even more). It would be a gamble, but this is the kind of opportunity that is rare. Bloody. Lose the gamble and you are out 4 good players and it will cost a year of development. But, win and you may be looking at a dynasty. Or, a contender, anyway.

There are only a handful of teams with the wealth of picks we have, and we should take advantage of that.

Of course, if before the draft it becomes clear that one of the 3 is going to be there at 5, no problem.

No hate. It's a valid position to take in trading up for one of the top QBs. I disagree with it though. If the top three are gone and Anderson Jr isn't there at 5, trade down and use the extra pick to fill out the roster. Would make it very easy to come away with immediate (well, potentially higher chance) contributors at DT, C, and OG. Fun to talk about; we'll see what our brain trust thinks.

[NorthHawk]

I think we could get a QB at 5. I don't see both AZ and the Bears move down past us. Maybe one team, but not both. Right now there is euphoria over the Combine performances, but teams rarely base all of their draft stock on just the Combine. It just helps confirm what they saw on film or sends them back to study the tape to see if their athleticism shows up on game time. Many times it's not the same.
As far as our window goes? We are no where close as of today, and we won't be for about 2 or 3 years if we have another good draft this year. Geno had a good first half of a season but petered off the last 8 games and there's no way he should get anywhere near $35M per year. Doing so would mean no FA's that could actually help rebuild the team and he will be 2 or 3 years older by the time we would be ready to compete.

Teams draft for 2 years down the road. Sometimes you get lucky and picks play well enough to earn starting roles, but every draft is about a couple of years in the future when they will really be hitting their stride.
So getting a QB is the best way to go in this draft simply because we will be a middling team for the foreseeable future and won't get another chance to get a real difference maker. If we don't we will be in the same position as the Titans are
with a good team but needing a premier QB to take the next step and moving up to get one in future drafts will take a whole lot more draft capital than staying at 5 and selecting whichever QB falls to us.