Next up: the draft

[govandals]

If we don't draft a QB early I wouldn't have an issue at all with us drafting Hooker.

Yup, I would be OK with Hendon Hooker too, only if it's round 3 or later. One year to sit and learn would be best, the scheme at Tennessee is nothing like he will do at the NFL level. His age (25) and late season ACL injury are concerns also, but he has some really nice tape out there, IMO.

I still think JS will like Anthony Richardson and he's the pick at #5, assuming Levis and Stroud are gone.

[RiverDog]

From what I've read, Hooker is a 2nd day draft pick, in which case TCS's experience with his draft simulator would be what you would expect.

As far as our taking him, I haven't really seen much of him. As far as I know, he still hasn't been cleared for active participation at the combine workouts.

[Hawktawk]

From what I've read, Hooker is a 2nd day draft pick, in which case TCS's experience with his draft simulator would be what you would expect.sold

As far as our taking him, I haven't really seen much of him. As far as I know, he still hasn't been cleared for active participation at the combine workouts.

He was the SEC OPOTY despite his injury late . I don’t have his stats but I swear I heard like 50 TDs and 5 picks as a starter there , capable of driving the ball , pushing it downfield. The type of offense calls for some risky NFL type throws making his TD to int ratio even more impressive . I need to look at the actual stats but he was impressive in a big boy league .

[jshawaii22]

This is the highest draft pick in a long time, so although we really need defensive front 7 help, I'm now more leaning to picking up a QB at #5 then I have been up to this point. That probably would be an opportunity to draft Will Levis.
(If the best 3 QB's, including Levis all go ahead of us, that would leave at least either Carter or Anderson, and that's OK!)

(not sure about Richardson, mocks are way more split on his potential, and is a prospect, not a starter, so we would have to pay a QB for 2 or more years.) -

Levis could start from day 1, if we had to, according to a draft prospect report (CBS sports)
If that happens, please don't sign Geno for more then 2 years @30m or not at all.
Then, I'd spend the #20 on our center of the future. Most mocks don't have inside OLine off the board, so that should give us the #1 or 2 prospect.
This is the year he needs to start from day #1.

Round 2 and 3 is all about best available Defensive 7. DE / DT, NT, LB... I don't care, but we need more speed and toughness. Bobby Wags is a stopgap at best, not the answer.
The rest be be needs like WR / G / more front D7.

Did we pick up an extra #3 when we "lost" Sean Desai. The 49ers got 3 picks (lose black coaches that move up to new positions) -- we should get 1?

[RiverDog]

This is the highest draft pick in a long time, so although we really need defensive front 7 help, I'm now more leaning to picking up a QB at #5 then I have been up to this point. That probably would be an opportunity to draft Will Levis.
(If the best 3 QB's, including Levis all go ahead of us, that would leave at least either Carter or Anderson, and that's OK!)

(not sure about Richardson, mocks are way more split on his potential, and is a prospect, not a starter, so we would have to pay a QB for 2 or more years.) -

Levis could start from day 1, if we had to, according to a draft prospect report (CBS sports)
If that happens, please don't sign Geno for more then 2 years @30m or not at all.
Then, I'd spend the #20 on our center of the future. Most mocks don't have inside OLine off the board, so that should give us the #1 or 2 prospect.
This is the year he needs to start from day #1.

Round 2 and 3 is all about best available Defensive 7. DE / DT, NT, LB... I don't care, but we need more speed and toughness. Bobby Wags is a stopgap at best, not the answer.
The rest be be needs like WR / G / more front D7.

Did we pick up an extra #3 when we "lost" Sean Desai. The 49ers got 3 picks (lose black coaches that move up to new positions) -- we should get 1?

#20 overall is a little high to be drafting a center. Rarely do they go in the first round and even more rarely in the top 2/3's of the first round, and our 1st round picks in this draft are #5 and #20. The highest drafted center in this century was Garrett Bradbury, taken at #17 overall by the Vikings in 2019.

The center I've been mentioning, John Michael Schmitz, is generally ranked in the top 3 centers in the draft and has an overall rank in the mid 40's. He should be there when our first pick in the 2nd round at #37 overall rolls around, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him drop to our natural 2nd rounder at #52.

[Aseahawkfan]

I think John and Pete will take the very best talent at number 5 they can get. It's been 12 years since they had a pick near that high when they had pick 6 to start the rebuild. Now they have a top 5 pick. Gotta take the best possible talent sitting at that spot regardless of position.

[RiverDog]

I think John and Pete will take the very best talent at number 5 they can get. It's been 12 years since they had a pick near that high when they had pick 6 to start the rebuild. Now they have a top 5 pick. Gotta take the best possible talent sitting at that spot regardless of position.

I tend to agree with this. At #5 overall, we have a chance to land a true generational talent. For example, if our FO sees who they truly think is the next Walter Jones, then pull the trigger on them regardless of the fact that we don't need an OT. It's unlikely that any of the top 5 fit that description, a slam dunk HOF'er, but if our FO feels they're that good, then pull the trigger on 'em.

[NorthHawk]

There has been talk about Jalen Carter and his maturity or character.
Now comes a story that he was at the crash that killed his teammate and drove away.
If this story has legs, his draft position could fall all the way to 20 or later, maybe even the 2nd round.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... -about-it/

[RiverDog]

There has been talk about Jalen Carter and his maturity or character.
Now comes a story that he was at the crash that killed his teammate and drove away.
If this story has legs, his draft position could fall all the way to 20 or later, maybe even the 2nd round.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... -about-it/

Wow! I wasn't keen on taking him at #5, but with him out of the mix, that means that someone that might have taken him between 1 and 4 now will be selecting someone else, perhaps a player we were targeting.

He's on the hook for a number of things: For starters, there's leaving the scene of an accident, obstructing the investigation by giving false and misleading information, and that's assuming that he wasn't racing. Like Obi would say, he tore up his lottery ticket.

[Old but Slow]

I had a tough time logging on again. I am tired of it. If it happens again, I will say goodbye.

I would be shocked if we draft Carter. The team must have learned something by taking guys with questionable character. McDowell and Collier come to mind.

Both PC and JS have made recent comments about looking for guys with attitude and last years class was a good example.

[c_hawkbob]

I think this may make it more likely for him to be available at #5 but unless actual charges come from it I doubt it makes him available at #20 let alone the second round.

[NorthHawk]

I think this may make it more likely for him to be available at #5 but unless actual charges come from it I doubt it makes him available at #20 let alone the second round.

According to PFT a warrant has been issued for racing and reckless driving.
But further to that, what kind of a teammate would he be in the NFL? Would he be accepted by the veterans after leaving his teammates when they crashed?
He may drop even further than we expect. Warren Sapp only had rumors of Marijuana use and he dropped a lot. This could disrupt any team building that was achieved if he was taken in the top 5.
There we already concerns with character if McShay and Zierlein are to be believed (and not just reading each others notes), so this may hurt his draft stock a lot.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... ng-racing/

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

1 - 20 would be high for a center; hopefully it won't take that high a pick, it would certainly be a way to secure one for sure. Joe Tippmann of Wisconsin looks legit.

[Old but Slow]

Tippman is being called the most athletic of the interior O linemen, but at 6' 6" he is tall for a center and will likely become a guard. He is fast for a lineman, and could be a could pulling guard. Cody Mauch is being mentioned at center although he was a guard in college. He is big, aggressive and is moving up the ratings.

[NorthHawk]

I'm kind of done with shifting players to positions they never played before then suddenly at the NFL level expect them to excel.
I'd rather we get a player who has Center experience at a high level in College and go from there. That doesn't mean a player can't make that adjustment, but it hasn't worked out for us very well in the past.

[RiverDog]

I think this may make it more likely for him to be available at #5 but unless actual charges come from it I doubt it makes him available at #20 let alone the second round.

According to PFT a warrant has been issued for racing and reckless driving.
But further to that, what kind of a teammate would he be in the NFL? Would he be accepted by the veterans after leaving his teammates when they crashed?
He may drop even further than we expect. Warren Sapp only had rumors of Marijuana use and he dropped a lot. This could disrupt any team building that was achieved if he was taken in the top 5.
There we already concerns with character if McShay and Zierlein are to be believed (and not just reading each others notes), so this may hurt his draft stock a lot.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... ng-racing/

I wonder if on draft day if they'll have a TV crew in the jail cell with him in his orange jump suit along with is family showing their reaction when he's drafted.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

Tippman is being called the most athletic of the interior O linemen, but at 6' 6" he is tall for a center and will likely become a guard. He is fast for a lineman, and could be a could pulling guard. Cody Mauch is being mentioned at center although he was a guard in college. He is big, aggressive and is moving up the ratings.

Yeah, but he's already well aware of that and is already learning to compensate for it. I'm more drawn to his size and intelligence. Like NorthHawk said, don't draft and out of position guy; Tippmann is already accustomed to making all the line calls. We need a guy who already does that instead of training a guard to do it.

[c_hawkbob]

I think this may make it more likely for him to be available at #5 but unless actual charges come from it I doubt it makes him available at #20 let alone the second round.

According to PFT a warrant has been issued for racing and reckless driving.
But further to that, what kind of a teammate would he be in the NFL? Would he be accepted by the veterans after leaving his teammates when they crashed?
He may drop even further than we expect. Warren Sapp only had rumors of Marijuana use and he dropped a lot. This could disrupt any team building that was achieved if he was taken in the top 5.
There we already concerns with character if McShay and Zierlein are to be believed (and not just reading each others notes), so this may hurt his draft stock a lot.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... ng-racing/

Yeah, an actual arrest warrant ups ante a bit. How much may depend on information yet to come but it certainly looks like he's cost himself considerable $$$ doesn't it?

[RiverDog]

Here's a few more details on the incident:

"The evidence demonstrated that both vehicles switched between lanes, drove in the center turn lane, drove in opposite lanes of travel, overtook other motorists, and drove at high rates of speed, in an apparent attempt to outdistance each other," the police statement said.

Police investigators have determined that "alcohol impairment, racing, reckless driving, and speed were significant contributing factors to the crash." A toxicology report indicated that LeCroy's (one of the two deceased) blood alcohol concentration was .197 -- more than twice the legal limit in Georgia -- at the time of the crash, according to police.

The SUV driven by LeCroy was traveling about 104 mph shortly before the crash.

According to documents and recordings of 911 calls reviewed by the Journal-Constitution, at least two vehicles driven by Georgia football players had been at the scene, including the Jeep driven by Carter, who left the scene before police or emergency personnel arrived.

Carter returned to the scene less than two hours later, according to the paper, which reported that he was asked by police whether he had been racing the vehicle that crashed. Documents reviewed by the Journal-Constitution show that Carter first told police that he heard the crash from a nearby apartment complex, but then later told an officer he had been driving both behind and beside the SUV driven by LeCroy.

The Journal-Constitution also obtained surveillance video footage from multiple downtown locations in Athens taken the night of the crash. The footage, which also has been reviewed by police, shows three vehicles leaving the area at the same time: Carter's Jeep, LeCroy's Ford and a 2019 Dodge Charger driven by Bulldogs linebacker Jamon Dumas-Johnson.

Carter denied racing to the officer, who observed no signs that the 310-pound defensive lineman had been drinking, according to the Journal-Constitution.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/357 ... t-prospect

[Hawktawk]

A couple of things regarding this report on Carter . For one I’m surprised the penalty for reckless driving and drag racing in the state is so low . Unless I’m mistaken these are misdemeanor charges that will not result in jail time . I don’t think they look lightly at racing in this state .

But as another angle street racing and for that matter partying after winning are as American as apple pie for reasons often tragic .
The gal who lost her life was blotto and there is no indication his car in any way caused her to crash . Speed caused her crash along with intoxication.
As for racing his Jeep trackhawk is a100 thousand dollar grand Cherokee with a whipple blower equipped 6.4 hemi making 800 horsepower . I’m familiar with it as we have 2014 basically the same package just supercharged , intercooled and methanol injected .I know mine will do 0-60 in 3.1 and the quarter in 12 flat damn near pulls a wheelie .

The vehicle the deceased were in was a college pool vehicle , a Ford Expedition tank with maybe 400 horsepower . Add 2 offensive linemen riding in it , a total of 1k worth of people in a 6k gutless pig . If Carter was racing he’d have been home brushing his teeth getting ready for bed . He’d have crushed them in half a city block .
It happened because someone let that girl drive at over twice the legal limit and nobody said pull over and let me drive .tragic but although I don’t like his evasiveness ( I understand ) I don’t think it makes him a bad guy. He feels as horrible as anyone I’m sure . Wouldn’t affect my decision as a GM.

[obiken]

I had a tough time logging on again. I am tired of it. If it happens again, I will say goodbye.

I would be shocked if we draft Carter. The team must have learned something by taking guys with questionable character. McDowell and Collier come to mind.

Both PC and JS have made recent comments about looking for guys with attitude and last years class was a good example.

Yeah its on on off OBS, I wonder what's causing it? Yeah I was all in on Carter as a no miss Hutch type player, but that went down the tubes on on the stories of his work ethic. You can get to the NFL on talent, but you cannot stay or flourish there. Now with the whole traffic thing, hes done, not completely but mainly.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

With the caveat of utilizing a programmed mock draft, after about 10 attempts, I could not swing a draft where Schmitz makes it to pick 37. Siaki Ika doesn't make it past 40. Avila around 50. We'll see what they prioritize.

[c_hawkbob]

There are a few mocks with us taking Schmitz at 20. That might be a bit high but i can see us trading back a few and still taking him in the 1st.

[MackStrongIsMyHero]

There are a few mocks with us taking Schmitz at 20. That might be a bit high but i can see us trading back a few and still taking him in the 1st.

That wouldn't hurt my feelings at all. If he's not going to be there by your next pick, it's not entirely a reach.

[RiverDog]

There are a few mocks with us taking Schmitz at 20. That might be a bit high but i can see us trading back a few and still taking him in the 1st.

We would be trading back close to our #38 overall in the 2nd. That wouldn't make a whole lot of sense unless there isn't anyone we feel is worth the #20 or our trading partner makes an offer we can't refuse.

[Aseahawkfan]

Carter will probably be there at 5 now. But is he worth the risk?

[c_hawkbob]

There are a few mocks with us taking Schmitz at 20. That might be a bit high but i can see us trading back a few and still taking him in the 1st.

We would be trading back close to our #38 overall in the 2nd. That wouldn't make a whole lot of sense unless there isn't anyone we feel is worth the #20 or our trading partner makes an offer we can't refuse.

38 is where I've got him in my 3-deep.

[jshawaii22]

Unless Carter has a history of this 'type' of behavior, I don't see it affecting his draft stock at all.
It's not like he had a bong in his hand and jumped with it out a 2nd story window the night before the draft.

Remember that the NFL doesn't care what you did before the draft. He won't face any punishment and in the real world of Georgia, I'll bet the charges will be reduced before trial if it gets that far, which i doubt. Carter returned to the scene without prompting, he did admit he was at the scene after lying about it. He wasn't even tested for DUI and the cop wrote there was no reason to suspect he was.
He could of run the Ford into the ground with his jeep, so a good lawyer should get the charge of "racing" dropped. Stupidity is not a crime.

The school has got to be the one quaking right now, with an employee who dies, driving the school vehicle and killing a student athlete and injuring another. Ouch.

[TriCitySam]

There are a few mocks with us taking Schmitz at 20. That might be a bit high but i can see us trading back a few and still taking him in the 1st.

My most recent mock with a simulator had this: Wilson (7), Mazi Smith (31) Avila (44), Schmitz (48), Jack Campbell (60), Charbonnet (64) and Hooker

[RiverDog]

Carter will probably be there at 5 now. But is he worth the risk?

I think he's going to be there a lot lower than the #5 overall. It wasn't that long ago that Laremy Tunsil slipped from the top 5 to #13 overall just because of a bong mask video released just before the draft:

Laremy Tunsil, an elite offensive tackle out of Ole Miss who was a top prospect entering the 2016 NFL Draft, had a video leak of him hitting a gas-mask bong hours before he was to be selected near the top of the first round.

A week before the draft, Mel Kiper had Tunsil going third overall. Tunsil wound up slipping to 13th to the Dolphins.

https://nypost.com/2022/04/27/laremy-tu ... -into-nft/

The good news for Carter is that we're still nearly 2 months away from the draft, so there's time for this to blow over. But if more information surfaces from their investigation and they elevate the charges to a felony, he's toast.

[Aseahawkfan]

Unless Carter has a history of this 'type' of behavior, I don't see it affecting his draft stock at all.
It's not like he had a bong in his hand and jumped with it out a 2nd story window the night before the draft.

Remember that the NFL doesn't care what you did before the draft. He won't face any punishment and in the real world of Georgia, I'll bet the charges will be reduced before trial if it gets that far, which i doubt. Carter returned to the scene without prompting, he did admit he was at the scene after lying about it. He wasn't even tested for DUI and the cop wrote there was no reason to suspect he was.
He could of run the Ford into the ground with his jeep, so a good lawyer should get the charge of "racing" dropped. Stupidity is not a crime.

The school has got to be the one quaking right now, with an employee who dies, driving the school vehicle and killing a student athlete and injuring another. Ouch.

Carter already has questions about his motor. I hear he isn't testing at the combine. I don't think he performed particularly well at the Senior Bowl if he even played. This is just another red flag for a lot of teams that he's not the next big DT prospect. His sack numbers and production are not all that great for a college DT with his physical abilities.

[RiverDog]

Unless Carter has a history of this 'type' of behavior, I don't see it affecting his draft stock at all.
It's not like he had a bong in his hand and jumped with it out a 2nd story window the night before the draft.

Remember that the NFL doesn't care what you did before the draft. He won't face any punishment and in the real world of Georgia, I'll bet the charges will be reduced before trial if it gets that far, which i doubt. Carter returned to the scene without prompting, he did admit he was at the scene after lying about it. He wasn't even tested for DUI and the cop wrote there was no reason to suspect he was.
He could of run the Ford into the ground with his jeep, so a good lawyer should get the charge of "racing" dropped. Stupidity is not a crime.

The school has got to be the one quaking right now, with an employee who dies, driving the school vehicle and killing a student athlete and injuring another. Ouch.

Carter already has questions about his motor. I hear he isn't testing at the combine. I don't think he performed particularly well at the Senior Bowl if he even played. This is just another red flag for a lot of teams that he's not the next big DT prospect. His sack numbers and production are not all that great for a college DT with his physical abilities.

I didn't watch a lot of CFB last year, but I did watch the playoffs, and in the two games Georgia played, I paid particular attention to Carter. He was nearly non existent, wasn't getting after the QB or disrupting running plays, was rested quite a bit, etc. I mentioned my comments on the other forum I participate in and the vast majority had a similar observation. Even before this incident, I didn't want to take him with our #5 overall.

[NorthHawk]

That's part of the on field concerns. He has immense talent, that's clear but he doesn't use it or isn't in a position to use it all the time like you would expect a top draft pick to do.
McShay and Zierlein have said teams have character concerns - and this started last year. It was said he is selfish and not wanting to put in the work like the other players. Maybe it was a bit of teams trying to get him to fall to them, but if you watch Georgia's games he didn't play a lot of the downs at important times and we could see he was on the sidelines sucking swamp water. The concern was he wasn't putting in the time to get in better shape and since it was his last year in College, one would think he would be focused on improving his availability to play most of the game and in all critical situations. But his endurance didn't seem to improve.
So is he one of those players who has never needed to work to be better than most others? Does he have a health issue? Has he never learned how to work hard?
All these questions were being asked before the news of the car crash came to light and now we see a report that he drove away from the accident when his team mate and friends were injured.
If he gets off on this charge, I can't see him being drafted in the 1st round and maybe not until late in the draft unless some team takes a very big gamble. But I could be wrong...

[Hawktawk]

That's part of the on field concerns. He has immense talent, that's clear but he doesn't use it or isn't in a position to use it all the time like you would expect a top draft pick to do.
McShay and Zierlein have said teams have character concerns - and this started last year. It was said he is selfish and not wanting to put in the work like the other players. Maybe it was a bit of teams trying to get him to fall to them, but if you watch Georgia's games he didn't play a lot of the downs at important times and we could see he was on the sidelines sucking swamp water. The concern was he wasn't putting in the time to get in better shape and since it was his last year in College, one would think he would be focused on improving his availability to play most of the game and in all critical situations. But his endurance didn't seem to improve.
So is he one of those players who has never needed to work to be better than most others? Does he have a health issue? Has he never learned how to work hard?
All these questions were being asked before the news of the car crash came to light and now we see a report that he drove away from the accident when his team mate and friends were injured.
If he gets off on this charge, I can't see him being drafted in the 1st round and maybe not until late in the draft unless some team takes a very big gamble. But I could be wrong...

I haven't seen much of him so I'll respect the observations of those who have for now. I hear there a work ethic concern as well? Yet hes a top 5 prospect? Why?
As for the wreck the question not enough people are asking is why was a UNIVERSITY EMPLOYEE DRIVING A POOL VEHICLE AT 2.5 TIMES THE LEGAL LIMIT TRANSPORTING COLLEGE ATHLETES? She caused the wreck entering a sharp turn at over 100 mph drunk, no chance to make the curve. He had nothing to do with that. As for leaving he was likely in shock. He returned and told the story to police. Nobody wants to talk themselves into jail. As much drag racing as I did in my teens and not always sober Im not the judge, I have some horrible drunk driving stories of people I've lost. I dont think a guy out playing in his 800 hp jeep who has a wasted girl decide shes racing is a bad guy. Awful tragedy. Coupled with the Stetson Bennett story maybe its U of Georgia that needs to do a little alcohol review.

[RiverDog]

That's part of the on field concerns. He has immense talent, that's clear but he doesn't use it or isn't in a position to use it all the time like you would expect a top draft pick to do.
McShay and Zierlein have said teams have character concerns - and this started last year. It was said he is selfish and not wanting to put in the work like the other players. Maybe it was a bit of teams trying to get him to fall to them, but if you watch Georgia's games he didn't play a lot of the downs at important times and we could see he was on the sidelines sucking swamp water. The concern was he wasn't putting in the time to get in better shape and since it was his last year in College, one would think he would be focused on improving his availability to play most of the game and in all critical situations. But his endurance didn't seem to improve.
So is he one of those players who has never needed to work to be better than most others? Does he have a health issue? Has he never learned how to work hard?
All these questions were being asked before the news of the car crash came to light and now we see a report that he drove away from the accident when his team mate and friends were injured.
If he gets off on this charge, I can't see him being drafted in the 1st round and maybe not until late in the draft unless some team takes a very big gamble. But I could be wrong...

I haven't seen much of him so I'll respect the observations of those who have for now. I hear there a work ethic concern as well? Yet hes a top 5 prospect? Why?

That's a very good question and I'm not in a good position to give a good answer, but I'll give it a shot anyway.

Carter plays for the University of Georgia, the first two time national champion for quite some time. He's surrounded by talent. Opponents are generally playing from behind, making their offenses very predictable. He's also a physical specimen, sort of like Aaron Curry was.

As for the wreck the question not enough people are asking is why was a UNIVERSITY EMPLOYEE DRIVING A POOL VEHICLE AT 2.5 TIMES THE LEGAL LIMIT TRANSPORTING COLLEGE ATHLETES? She caused the wreck entering a sharp turn at over 100 mph drunk, no chance to make the curve. He had nothing to do with that. As for leaving he was likely in shock. He returned and told the story to police. Nobody wants to talk themselves into jail. As much drag racing as I did in my teens and not always sober Im not the judge, I have some horrible drunk driving stories of people I've lost. I dont think a guy out playing in his 800 hp jeep who has a wasted girl decide shes racing is a bad guy. Awful tragedy. Coupled with the Stetson Bennett story maybe its U of Georgia that needs to do a little alcohol review.

Getting involved in a race on an urban street is one thing. Leaving the scene of an accident that had left a teammate and friend mortally injured even before paramedics arrived is another. With a friend like that, who needs enemies? Even after having several hours to reflect on the accident, he told lie after lie to the police that were trying to reconstruct the accident. That's pretty inexcusable in my book.

[NorthHawk]

What all of this does is put doubt into GMs considering drafting him. There might very well be one that will take that chance, but I would think most would want to wait for later rounds before pulling the trigger on a very talented, but undependable player (undependable in the sense that further charges could be laid at a later date). Couple that with a game where every player relies on the guy next to him and trusts him completely to do his job, will this put doubt in those players minds? If a life or death situation caused him to run, would you trust him to make the sacrifice required to make the team better? I don't know the answer for everyone, but that seed of doubt will enter the minds of teams thinking of drafting him and I would suspect a bunch of them took him off their boards. It's happened before for less impactful bad decisions by players.

[Hawktawk]

I think everyone but those who are perfect understand lying to a cop and nobody who has not been involved in something like this has any idea what it’s like or how they would respond .

It’s not admirable but predictable and routine for drivers to lie to cops and he returned to the scene and got his story straight eventually .
In the end I do believe he may be responsible for reckless driving but he wasn’t racing as it wouldn’t be a race if he was as and he didn’t cause this accident . No judgement here .

[NorthHawk]

I'm just looking at it from a drafting point of view. With the number of uncertainties, I would expect him to fall out of the top 10 at least and maybe into the 2nd or 3rd round.
If I remember correctly La'el Collins was expected to go very early - maybe even 1st round, but ended up going in the 7th because of off field issues. It might happen with Carter, too.

[c_hawkbob]

I'm just looking at it from a drafting point of view. With the number of uncertainties, I would expect him to fall out of the top 10 at least and maybe into the 2nd or 3rd round.
If I remember correctly La'el Collins was expected to go very early - maybe even 1st round, but ended up going in the 7th because of off field issues. It might happen with Carter, too.

1- Collins was projected as a possible first rounder, not the #1 overall pick.
2- His deal was being named a person of interest in a murder case just a couple days before the draft so teams steered away from him altogether.
3- Once his status was cleared up he wound up signing a UDFA contract equal to being a second round pick. It could be argued he benefitted from the whole situation as he was able to choose his landing spot from among 25 teams bidding on him.

BTW, Carter is back at the combine now after turning himself in, being booked and released. I think if there wind up being no charges by draft day it'll only cost him a number of slots as opposed to rounds.

[jshawaii22]

I love Pete speak. Yesterday he's at the combine and stated that we are looking at every QB that's in the draft. That's an interesting statement, and I think it's a ruse (of course) to push teams that need a QB to consider to move up to trade with Chicago or AZ to their new QB. (I expect Geno to be under contract or the dreaded franchise tag by then)

We know that both Texas and Carolina want and probably will be taking QB's. The Bear's and AZ should both trade down if they don't want to replace their existing QB (and you never know - both QB's have big issues and could be traded) the top 4 could be all QB's.

That would leave the entire non-QB class open to us. Although I would like us to take Ky's Will Levis, I now doubt it will happen.
My draft trades are based on the quantity of teams that have had the 'veteran' route failed in the last couple of years and are seeing the 'new' crop of drafted QB's being a better bet then in years past.

Here are some of the teams that are technically 'desperate' for a new QB that had veterans (or a recent draft pick) fail -- Raiders, Tennessee, Atlanta, Jets, Carolina, NO and I'm sure others.

This year, if you don't draft a QB, your choices as a day #1 starter are to sign or trade for Rodgers (50 million + draft picks), Carr (30million +), Geno at 30+ million or Tannehill at 30+ million (there are many other vet QB's who have all failed at one for more teams) vs. getting a top rookie QB on a 5 year 'cheap' contract, that allows you to protect your cap space.

RD is right about Carter. I watched him, too, play in the two playoff games, and he was asleep in the semi game and played much better in the championship game, but never looked like the #1 pick in the draft. I haven't seen his body of work, but playing for the #1 team in the country should always be taken with a grain of salt, as he should dominate the lesser teams.