Contract Talks with current players

[Hawktawk]

What’s the plan other than Geno write back ? Average . Worthless at what the going rate is.
I don’t blame him if he’s angry how the organizations and seemingly lots of fans view him. I’d be .
Careful what you wish for . Wyman said it well as a man who wasn’t a Geno man who is now. “ it’s a lot easier to get worse then better at qb ..
.

There are other options at quarterback out there besides Geno, including Derrick Carr, Baker Mayfield, Jimmy G., etc. We can debate whether or not those guys are upgrades, but we don't necessarily need an upgrade at QB to be competitive. And we can draft a quarterback. We'll have an opportunity to get one of the top 3 in this year's class.

The other thing is how one views our team. My personal opinion is that this roster is NOT just a player or two away from being SB competitive. We have a lot of holes to fill on defense, a few less on offense. Bottom line is that we are by no means desperate to resign Geno, and if he doesn't come in at where we have him budgeted at, then let him walk.

As far as Geno being upset at his treatment by the fans, I doubt seriously that he is. He's played in New York, where the media and fans are ten times as demanding as us marshmallows out here in south Alaska. He knows the drill.[/quote]

If we’re letting Geno walk I want nothing to do with Garropolo .Geno took every snap . When has China doll? Or Carr as they won’t be any cheaper . Mayfield ? I don’t want that idiot malcontent on the roster . If Geno leaves I vote draft qb , sign Lock with a year in the system and draft a guy . If there’s Russ lurking all the better but if you’re convinced on a top guy get him and have a competition.
I just think if Geno was kept clean and had a little d and consistent run he’d win it all.

[c_hawkbob]

I agree, at least in that if we do not re-sign Geno I want nothing to do with the current crop of FA's as his replacement. If not Geno I want to draft a top prospect.

[RiverDog]

What’s the plan other than Geno write back ? Average . Worthless at what the going rate is.
I don’t blame him if he’s angry how the organizations and seemingly lots of fans view him. I’d be .
Careful what you wish for . Wyman said it well as a man who wasn’t a Geno man who is now. “ it’s a lot easier to get worse then better at qb ..
.

There are other options at quarterback out there besides Geno, including Derrick Carr, Baker Mayfield, Jimmy G., etc. We can debate whether or not those guys are upgrades, but we don't necessarily need an upgrade at QB to be competitive. And we can draft a quarterback. We'll have an opportunity to get one of the top 3 in this year's class.

The other thing is how one views our team. My personal opinion is that this roster is NOT just a player or two away from being SB competitive. We have a lot of holes to fill on defense, a few less on offense. Bottom line is that we are by no means desperate to resign Geno, and if he doesn't come in at where we have him budgeted at, then let him walk.

As far as Geno being upset at his treatment by the fans, I doubt seriously that he is. He's played in New York, where the media and fans are ten times as demanding as us marshmallows out here in south Alaska. He knows the drill.

If we’re letting Geno walk I want nothing to do with Garropolo .Geno took every snap . When has China doll? Or Carr as they won’t be any cheaper . Mayfield ? I don’t want that idiot malcontent on the roster . If Geno leaves I vote draft qb , sign Lock with a year in the system and draft a guy . If there’s Russ lurking all the better but if you’re convinced on a top guy get him and have a competition.
I just think if Geno was kept clean and had a little d and consistent run he’d win it all.

You wanted to know what the plan was if we don't resign Geno, and I gave you some options. Like I said, we can debate whether or not any of those quarterbacks I mentioned are upgrades or not, but the point is that there are other options out there besides Geno even if we do view ourselves as contenders. We are under not in a position to where it's imperative that we resign him. Personally, I wouldn't want any of those guys, either, and would rather roll the dice with a rookie as I don't see us as being just a player or two away from being a contender.

[RiverDog]

I agree, at least in that if we do not re-sign Geno I want nothing to do with the current crop of FA's as his replacement. If not Geno I want to draft a top prospect.

I agree. Even if we do resign Geno, my preference is to use our #5 overall to draft one of two QB's, either Stroud or Levis, if they're available when we pick.

[c_hawkbob]

If we keep Geno I'd be OK with drafting a mid round raw prospect like Gerry Bohanon out of South Florida as well.

[NorthHawk]

I think keeping Geno would be the best chance to develop a QB that's drafted, but that said we can't pay him anywhere near the $30M and expect to fill the other holes on this team.
At 33 and with so many dropped INT's that helped his stats this year, there might not be much of a market for him to compete with other teams. But if there is we should be prepared
to move on with Lock and a draft pick then hopefully find some very good DLineman in FA to play alongside draft picks as they develop. With this team we aren't winning any Super Bowls
because of the overall lack of talent relative to the top teams. As a side note, I heard Ross Tucker say that of the Eagles starting 22 players 18 were either Pro Bowl starters or 2nd team Pro Bowlers.
That shows how far we have to go to get near a similar talent level required to really challenge for a SB. By the time we get to a similar level of ability, Geno will probably be 36 and if we sign him
to a large contract we won't be able to add the necessary talent in FA to really compete.
So Geno has to come in at a very team friendly Cap number for it to work out for us otherwise we will be left once again with another Participation Badge to add to our growing collection.

[RiverDog]

So Geno has to come in at a very team friendly Cap number for it to work out for us otherwise we will be left once again with another Participation Badge to add to our growing collection.

I guess a Participation Badge is like what they used to give non-letterman in junior high, a Certificate of Participation. With 14 of the 32 teams qualifying for the playoffs, that's a pretty good term to describe our one-and-done's

[Hawktawk]

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So Geno has to come in at a very team friendly Cap number for it to work out for us otherwise we will be left once again with another Participation Badge to add to our growing collection.[/
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I guess a Participation Badge is like what they used to give non-letterman in junior high, a Certificate of Participation. With 14 of the 32 teams qualifying for the playoffs, that's a pretty good term to describe our one-and-done's

Leading the nfc in TD passes is not a participation trophy with 46 sacks and no run game many games and no defense most games . 9 wins. A couple of team records . 366 yards rushing on 68 Carrie’s a 5.4 average . Nor is a total rebuild team going 9-8 and carrying a lead into the half vs 9er . Not ready to win it all but extremely insulting and disrespectful to call this a participation trophy . In some ways it’s one of the more impressive years of the Carroll era . But whatever . Only one team wins it all and we’re not ready but closer then you all think we are .

[Aseahawkfan]

I like Pete's competition style of developing a QB. I think that protects our downside, while still allowing a QB prospect's upside to develop quickly if it happens that way. So draft a prospect, bring Geno in on a reasonable contract, and allow Lock or some other QB to come in and give it a shot. See who wins. No guaranteed jobs or pressure to save the franchise. Best performer earns the job. Pete and John make sure we're not trapped by any contracts.

[RiverDog]

Pete and John make sure we're not trapped by any contracts.

After seeing us extend Jamal Adams, I'm not holding my breath about that one.

[obiken]

If we keep Geno I'd be OK with drafting a mid round raw prospect like Gerry Bohanon out of South Florida as well.

What about a Stenson Bennett out of GA. Leadership, Smart, Character, accurate arm, all the intangibles. He could be a Colt McCoy, or a Franchise guy. You, River, me are all old enough to remember the NON First rounders who became HOFamers. Montana, Brady, Farve and dare I say Wilson. I have been right on some stuff also, I predicted that Rosen, and Darnold would be bust because they couldnt beat Oregon, when our defense under Helf was warmed over garbage. What I am wondering Bob, and maybe I am off, is you go with a revolving door at QB and become the Niners, get a new one every 4 or 5 years. Ship them out and keep a really good team for them. Dallas is doomed in my view, to a slow death by cap hit, Dak Prescott's cap hit next year is almost 50 million, not to mention EElliot. The next next year more players like Diggs, Lamb, Pollard, and Parsons, are all going to want a LOT more money. Niners and Philly are set!

[Aseahawkfan]

I like Geno ok, but I'd sure like to try for a Josh Allen.

[RiverDog]

What about a Stenson Bennett out of GA. Leadership, Smart, Character, accurate arm, all the intangibles. He could be a Colt McCoy, or a Franchise guy. You, River, me are all old enough to remember the NON First rounders who became HOFamers. Montana, Brady, Farve and dare I say Wilson. I have been right on some stuff also, I predicted that Rosen, and Darnold would be bust because they couldnt beat Oregon, when our defense under Helf was warmed over garbage. What I am wondering Bob, and maybe I am off, is you go with a revolving door at QB and become the Niners, get a new one every 4 or 5 years. Ship them out and keep a really good team for them. Dallas is doomed in my view, to a slow death by cap hit, Dak Prescott's cap hit next year is almost 50 million, not to mention EElliot. The next next year more players like Diggs, Lamb, Pollard, and Parsons, are all going to want a LOT more money. Niners and Philly are set!

Bennett is a little older, will be 26 mid season next year, he's only 5'11". and there's some question about his arm strength. He might not be a bad gamble for a 3rd round or lower pick.

Of course, like any other position, there are a lot of non first rounder HOF'ers. But the odds of a player making it are greatly increased by the round they are drafted in.

The Niners are an anomaly, as are Tom Brady and Russell Wilson. Most of the successful quarterbacks, upwards of 70-80% of them, were taken in the first two rounds of the draft. It's a roll of the dice no matter what round they get drafted in, but the odds go way down after the 2nd round. If we do our homework and make sure that the player we end up taking has what it takes, we could be set at the position for another 10 years. More than likely, we won't find ourselves in the position of drafting within the top 5 for a long, long time. Outside of our expansion years, it's only happened once before, and we blew it by taking Rick Mirer.

Schneider was the one that drafted Russell and he was sniffing around both Mahomes and Allen when not many teams were, so I have pretty fair confidence in his ability to appraise quarterbacks. If he decides to pull the trigger on someone like Levis at #5 overall, I'm good with it.

[Old but Slow]

Wasn't it Ken Behring that insisted that we draft Dan Maguire, because, after all, a giant QB is just the thing?

[RiverDog]

Wasn't it Ken Behring that insisted that we draft Dan Maguire, because, after all, a giant QB is just the thing?

Yup. Chuck Knox wanted Bret Favre and would have taken him with the #16 overall, but Behring was enamored with McGuire because he was playing at San Diego State near where Behring lived, or that's my opinion. Favre ended up being taken by the Falcons at #33 overall.

No matter what Jody Allen ends up doing in her tenure, she'll never match Ken Behring as the worst owner in Seahawk history.

[tarlhawk]

As a personal opinion I'd prefer Geno at a one year Franchise Tag option...if we were inclined to pay him top dollar anyways. If another team wants him bad enough to burn 2 first rd picks to us then we still operate as a team in transition with our eye on younger competition without being leashed to a modern day QB long term contract. Geno had the "element of surprise" against all those defensive coordinators in the early going then as surprise turned into respect they schemed against his revealed habits with the aid of film study and the going got tougher...but he still showed good leadership once the adversity began to mount. He has the arm talent and QB saavy to go with a quick read offense...our offense has turned the corner with an injection of youth and a diverse array of QB "weapons" in our WR/TE groupings.


Our 2023 schedule looks harder on paper...so a one year option thats still expensive yet keeping the future of our team from being long termed "shackled" seems a good option to see Geno and Shane Waldron adapting to any NFL respect thrown at us in 2023. Our draft position in 2023 and any insight on Drew Lock's true development gives us "options" versus desperation as our team improves overall. Go Hawks

[NorthHawk]

The problem with applying the FT to Geno is we only have about $23M in effective Cap space according to OvertheCap.com and a FT would cost somewhere around $32M.
So that would put us about $9M over the Cap. So no FA's and losing some players for Cap reasons. Shelby Harris was one of our better DL and he's a FA so he couldn't be re-signed as an example.
If we are to re-sign Geno, it has to be a multi year deal at a small Cap price. We haven't used the voidable years clause much, but now would be a good time if Geno is re-signed.
It would be a 5 year, $50M deal with $30M guaranteed and 2 voidable years. As well , we could draft a young QB and have him develop for a year or 2 to take over.
What's in it for Geno? $30M in his pocket which would set him up for life.
If we sign him for 5 years (and don't have an escape clause) for much more than the $30M and bypass one of the top QB''s in the draft it tells us that we are only looking short term, much to
the detriment of the football franchise long term. If they traded back and got a 1st round pick next year, that might be acceptable as there are a lot of players on both sides of the LoS that
should be available in the late 1st to late 3rd round. But I don't know what the expected QB class next year is like.

[tarlhawk]

Excellent points NorthHawk...my hope is that the 2023 cap space has yet to be determined and that OTC only uses current cap space as its model...oh well perhaps the Franchise Tag is not an option after all. Go Hawks

[mykc14]

Excellent points NorthHawk...my hope is that the 2023 cap space has yet to be determined and that OTC only uses current cap space as its model...oh well perhaps the Franchise Tag is not an option after all. Go Hawks

I don't really like OTC as much as I like SPOTRAC, but either way the Hawks don't have the money to Franchise Smith next year unless they cut somebody. They do have a few options like Shelby Harris, Adams, and Diggs and that could give get you up to maybe 45 mil. I do think they might be able to threaten him with the Franchise Tag, but I don't think it's a great option for the Hawks right now. What you want with Geno, if you're the Hawks is some flexibility. You want to sign him to a multi-year contract with a lower cap hit in year one and that doesn't kill you dead money wise if you trade or release him in year 2 or 3. If you do end up drafting a young QB who you feel comfortable starting in year 2 or 3 then you have the option of trading him if he's still playing well. It's going to be tough. I don't mind giving him a contract worth low to mid 30's if your intention is to get out of that contract, but I don't want to have to pay him mid 30's cap hits for the next 3-5 years. A rookie QB has an average cap hit of like 7 mil. I think Geno has played well, but I'll take a capable QB on a rookie contract and 28 million to spend in the trenches over Geno Smith at 32 mil. The highest I would go with him would be like a 3 year 100 mill deal with 55 guaranteed. I would have cap hits of 25, 30, and 45 mil over those 3 years... This would give the Hawks an opportunity to get rid of him in year 2 with two years of dead money at around 15 million or keep him for 2 years and then get rid of him after year 2 with no dead money. It gives Geno enough incentive to stay and allows the Hawks to draft a young QB, if they want and start him as early as year 2 without a huge cap penalty. If they don't like the QB they draft they can still keep Geno. Really all that matters is the guaranteed money. They could do the same thing with a 4 year contract at 132 million or even 5 years at 165 million, but as long as that guaranteed money is below $60 million they can get out after year 1 without a big cap hit.

[NorthHawk]

I would add 2 voidable years to that $55M contract making it an $11M Cap hit/year over 5 years.
I’ve suggested $30M guaranteed, but it wouldn’t hammer the Cap if it was $55M.

[mykc14]

I’ve suggested $30M guaranteed.

I don't think there is any way that he would do it for $30 mil guaranteed- especially considering the F-Tag is like 32. I would be all over 30 mil. I don't know if he will do it for 55 mil guaranteed.

[Hawktawk]

What’s the odds a rookie will be “competent “ or a rookie contract ?
Russ was a rare exception going 11-5 .

Very few rookies in any round hit the ground running . I heard a stat that 10% of 1st round rooks win 8 or more games . Correct me if wrong I heard it on ESPN.

I think we have to keep Geno or else Lock . Want to draft a qb fine . Hang on to a vet that has been in this system . I prefer Geno . I trust Pete that Drew has blossomed this year though. Geno should be the quarterback of the present . Lock may still be the QBOTF.

[NorthHawk]

I don't think there is any way that he would do it for $30 mil guaranteed- especially considering the F-Tag is like 32. I would be all over 30 mil. I don't know if he will do it for 55 mil guaranteed.

But we can't afford to give him the Franchise tag. And other teams that might be interested probably won't give a lot of guaranteed money for a 33 year old career backup who had one good year and who's
play leveled off at the end of the year. At this stage in his career, it has to be about the guaranteed money. That's what's going to set him up for the rest of his life. So it's $30M guaranteed with the
potential to make $50M. That protects both sides.

[Old but Slow]

Has Geno's DUI been settled? He was clocked at about 100 mph and gave the police a hard time. Is there a suspension in the cards? It has been several months since it happened, but I have heard nothing of consequences.

[NorthHawk]

Has Geno's DUI been settled? He was clocked at about 100 mph and gave the police a hard time. Is there a suspension in the cards? It has been several months since it happened, but I have heard nothing of consequences.

The last I heard is like you, it was being held over until sometime around February or so I thought.
I hope it's done quickly without any punishment to affect his status for Pre-Season OTA's and/or TC.

[Hawktawk]

Has Geno's DUI been settled? He was clocked at about 100 mph and gave the police a hard time. Is there a suspension in the cards? It has been several months since it happened, but I have heard nothing of consequences.

I think the cops screwed something up and it went away . No pro athlete gets sentenced or pleads out without making the news, especially with the higher profile of Geno now . It’s been 13 months since the arrest . The cops dumped a bunch of claims about Genos behavior and statements . Geno said let the facts come out .

It’s gone imo . Dropped . Or reduced greatly . Cops do lie sometimes especially about blacks .

[RiverDog]

Has Geno's DUI been settled? He was clocked at about 100 mph and gave the police a hard time. Is there a suspension in the cards? It has been several months since it happened, but I have heard nothing of consequences.

I think the cops screwed something up and it went away . No pro athlete gets sentenced or pleads out without making the news, especially with the higher profile of Geno now . It’s been 13 months since the arrest . The cops dumped a bunch of claims about Genos behavior and statements . Geno said let the facts come out .

It’s gone imo . Dropped . Or reduced greatly . Cops do lie sometimes especially about blacks .

Boy, if that isn't a blind defense of someone. Complete speculation.

In all likelihood, the case has been delayed. Beast had his delayed until Feb. 1st.

[Hawktawk]

It’s unfortunately far from blind speculation . I had a DUI awhile back . But as miserable as the process was it was educational on many levels good and bad . For starters I was indeed driving over the limit , I wound pleading out against the advice of my attorney despite receiving no concessions from the court for doing so . I don’t drive with any amount of alcohol in my system .
But the probable cause hearing was very enlightening . The officers testimony in front of a judge was obliterated by my attorney simply based on the sheriffs own dash cam footage . He said I rolled a stop sign . The judge looked right at him and said no he didn’t . He said the crosswalks were full of people . Dash footage shows they were completely empty . He says I crossed the center line when my tire kissed an inch of a center turn line for half a second on an empty road with no traffic .in my case a person had called me in because me wife was swaying walking to the car and I was supporting her .

Ultimately the judge told that cop he didn’t have enough to stop me without the call .

My attorney delayed the case 8 months with continuances and I finally said pull the plug . I know the cop is a lying Ahole but I did it and I want to get on with my life .

As a bonus gift the Sherrif came up and tightened my cuffs that had been on for 30 minutes as I stood politely and complied with way too much and cranked my left wrist so tight I about went to my knees . I told him it was way too tight and he smiled and walked away . I was like that for an hour before being booked and my left hand was numb for 4 months .

I’ll give Geno the benefit of the doubt after that . It’s possible his attorney is still pushing out the case like they do to try to get the DA to surrender and offer a plea deal .

But I recall when Pete was asked about whether the DUI would affect his status he said “ that will be resolved by training camp “ . That’s 22 TC .

It’s possible the organization already knew there were problems with the case .

I have a hard time believing a simple DUI is hanging out 13 months with no resolution .Beast got popped a few months ago with no wheels left blacked out sleeping . Could have been Ruggs .Not in the same stratosphere as Genos garden variety DUI . Let’s see . A lost part of Geno getting popped is they had just got off the flight from AZ meaning alcohol was almost certainly on the plane which violated NFL policy . Muddy waters .

[RiverDog]

I have a hard time believing a simple DUI is hanging out 13 months with no resolution .Beast got popped a few months ago with no wheels left blacked out sleeping . Could have been Ruggs .Not in the same stratosphere as Genos garden variety DUI . Let’s see . A lost part of Geno getting popped is they had just got off the flight from AZ meaning alcohol was almost certainly on the plane which violated NFL policy . Muddy waters .

Richard Sherman was arrested on July 14th, 2021, and his case wasn't resolved until March 7th, 2022, or nearly 8 months later after the football season. Given that Geno wasn't being charged with a felony, it's very believable that the court agreed not to hear the case for 13 months until after the completion of the football season in February. Besides, it's a public record, and had they resolved it, we would have heard about it.

Same with any NFL discipline. Although they didn't have to, they likely wanted to wait until the completion of any court proceedings before issuing any punishment.

As far as your speculation about the cops and their motivations, from the moment Geno was pulled over, they knew who they had arrested and the media attention that was sure to follow. I would be extremely surprised if they didn't make double sure that they had dotted all the 'i's and crossed all the 't's.

[Hawktawk]

Sherman’s was 8 months and he got the most ridiculous hometown discount I ever seen . He should have done a year . I can only speculate they couldn’t prove what they knew or maybe it was the judge who arraigned him that called him a pillar of the community .

Genos was the day the 2021 season season ended . I assure you if the case was dropped the cops who did the big information dump on a man deserving of a presumption of innocence aren’t going to advertise it . I felt it was very unethical and prejudicial to a potential jury releasing that the way they did that although I know a guy who repeated the most salient of the comments 50 times .

He’s got money . He has an attorney who may be pushing it out as I’ve said in my extremely well informed opinion . But it’s a 1A dui. First offense is a day in jail, a 1 k fine . 2 years bench probation. An interlock device for a year . Sr22 insurance filing . I know the cops said he resisted and stuff and I’m not aware if he was charged with that and if so it may be dragging it out

But it’s an off-season. A training camp . A football season and now playoffs since that arrest . The rationale for his attorney to continue to litigate it is hard to understand .

Cops do sometimes lie lie lie but the dash cam and lapel cam don’t which is why they make them wear them .
I think it went away . We will see .

[Hawktawk]

Googled and got an update from June when Geno said it would be resolved and wouldn’t be a problem . Apparently there was a blood draw taken that needs to be analyzed for a charging decision that was taken night of arrest that could take 10 months which would mean late October they had that information . So it’s entirely possible it’s still out there . Just a long ways out .

[RiverDog]

Sherman’s was 8 months and he got the most ridiculous hometown discount I ever seen . He should have done a year . I can only speculate they couldn’t prove what they knew or maybe it was the judge who arraigned him that called him a pillar of the community .

According to the King County prosecutor's office, Sherman's case was resolved in a manner consistent with other similar cases. As in the case with your accusations about crooked cops in Geno's arrest, I find it highly unlikely that the county would lie about something like that. All of this stuff is a matter of public record, and it would be very easy for an investigative reporter to do a little homework and expose a double standard.

Genos was the day the 2021 season season ended . I assure you if the case was dropped the cops who did the big information dump on a man deserving of a presumption of innocence aren’t going to advertise it . I felt it was very unethical and prejudicial to a potential jury releasing that the way they did that although I know a guy who repeated the most salient of the comments 50 times .

He’s got money . He has an attorney who may be pushing it out as I’ve said in my extremely well informed opinion . But it’s a 1A dui. First offense is a day in jail, a 1 k fine . 2 years bench probation. An interlock device for a year . Sr22 insurance filing . I know the cops said he resisted and stuff and I’m not aware if he was charged with that and if so it may be dragging it out

But it’s an off-season. A training camp . A football season and now playoffs since that arrest . The rationale for his attorney to continue to litigate it is hard to understand .

Cops do sometimes lie lie lie but the dash cam and lapel cam don’t which is why they make them wear them .
I think it went away . We will see .

Cops do lie, but the odds of 5 or 6 of them, which I would assume would include the chief of police as he no doubt was contacted as soon as Geno was pulled over as they knew that they had a big fish, makes it very unlikely.

There is a large backlog of DUI cases in this state, with the average being close to a year just to process blood alcohol evidence, so it is not at all unreasonable for Geno's case to have been delayed by 13 months:

According to numbers provided by WSP, in 2017 crime lab investigators processed blood evidence in driving under the influence cases in under 30 days. By the end of 2021, the backlog was closer to a year, 355 days, according to the state’s latest figures.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/wa ... r-AA11VmQZ

But like you say, we should find out pretty soon. Given the long backlog of cases, I could easily see a judge agreeing to defer prosecution until after the end of the season.

[Hawktawk]

I call total BS on the king county prosecutor . Prove it . Bs. Drive into an active construction zone after 2 fifths . Crash hit and run on 3 wheels . Flee the scene . Attempt to break into a house . Physically fight police .

By similar cases must mean well connected sports stars whose judge called them a “ pillar of the community “ the morning after . Or since he left the car they couldn’t prove he was driving or didn’t try very hard .

That was a joke .
Geno was hardly a celebrity at the time either.
We will see . It’s a joke with law enforcement these days .

[Hawktawk]

I suspect the huge backlog in blood tests has something to do with arrests for pot . When I went through the system I’d estimate 20% were arrested driving high . A blood test is the only way to currently determine if they have over . 5 nano grams of THC. Sounds like a lot more arrests are having an effect .
Moral is don’t drink or smoke and drive . If you do you’re gonna regret it badly .

[RiverDog]

I call total BS on the king county prosecutor . Prove it . Bs. Drive into an active construction zone after 2 fifths . Crash hit and run on 3 wheels . Flee the scene . Attempt to break into a house . Physically fight police .

By similar cases must mean well connected sports stars whose judge called them a “ pillar of the community “ the morning after . Or since he left the car they couldn’t prove he was driving or didn’t try very hard .

That was a joke .
Geno was hardly a celebrity at the time either.
We will see . It’s a joke with law enforcement these days .

Sherman's family did not want to press charges on the attempted break in, and without a plaintiff, there's not much there for a prosecutor to pursue, especially when it involves family. It was on private property. I honestly don't know what the standard sentence is for the type of crime Sherman committed, but I have no reason to doubt the entire King County prosecutor's office when they said that it was in line with similar cases.

If I recall correctly, the Seahawks were contacted within an hour or so following Geno's arrest, so there's no doubt that they knew that they had a big fish on their hands. At least one of those cops would have been a football fan and would have immediately recognized his name as being the Seahawks backup QB. Had it occurred anywhere else besides Seattle, then perhaps there wouldn't have been the name recognition. But you're going to tell me that 5-6 random males in the Seattle area, especially the type A personalities common with cops, that at least one of them isn't going to know who the Seahawks backup QB is? I call BS.

[RiverDog]

I suspect the huge backlog in blood tests has something to do with arrests for pot . When I went through the system I’d estimate 20% were arrested driving high . A blood test is the only way to currently determine if they have over . 5 nano grams of THC. Sounds like a lot more arrests are having an effect .
Moral is don’t drink or smoke and drive . If you do you’re gonna regret it badly .

Could be. There's also an acute labor shortage that's affecting every industry in the country. The state can't even get enough drivers to man all the snowplows, the USPS can't find enough carriers to deliver the mail, etc. Plus, the pandemic likely caused delays in processing, the state was firing anyone that wouldn't get the vaccine, etc.

[Hawktawk]

All good points .

[Old but Slow]

Do not forget the major point. Legal problems or not, the league can issue punishment if they see fit. He could get off on a technicality and yet have the league respond anyway. A suspension is not out of the question.

[RiverDog]

Do not forget the major point. Legal problems or not, the league can issue punishment if they see fit. He could get off on a technicality and yet have the league respond anyway. A suspension is not out of the question.

Oh, there's no question about that, which brings up another point. At least from what was being reported, the violation of the Personal Conduct Policy seemed pretty serious, so even if Geno did get off on a technicality, that as HT suggests the racist cops screwed something up, that the league still would have issued some sort of discipline. I don't think this is over.

[Hawktawk]

Do not forget the major point. Legal problems or not, the league can issue punishment if they see fit. He could get off on a technicality and yet have the league respond anyway. A suspension is not out of the question.

Oh, there's no question about that, which brings up another point. At least from what was being reported, the violation of the Personal Conduct Policy seemed pretty serious, so even if Geno did get off on a technicality, that as HT suggests the racist cops screwed something up, that the league still would have issued some sort of discipline. I don't think this is over.[/quote]


Cops do lie . More than you think . Some are racist . More than many think . Some are obnoxious power tripping abusers of peoples rights . Been there done it and seen it on tv many times . Most are fine but like a ref it only takes one to change the game .


It may not apply to this situation at all . Didn’t say it did . Said it might .

The release of the alleged interaction by the police against a man who deserved to be presumed innocent was highly inappropriate and potentially prejudicial to any jury .

I know one guy who was fascinated by his alleged medical physical diagnosis of a cop who read him his rights and started chatting him up right after to try to get him to say something to further incriminate himself which was allegedly wildly successful.

If you’re ever arrested STFU. The cop isn’t your buddy . He’s trying to bury you deeper than you did yourself . Be silent .

Time will tell what happens with Geno . I highly doubt the league would suspend him for a 1-A first offense regardless of his actions with police .
Charges such as resisting arrest don’t require proof of intoxication and I’ve not heard he was charged with it . Looking around the league at some of the women beating pos like dude from 9ers who sacked Geno twice and forced the fumble that ended the game after too many steroids I don’t see Geno suspended at all . I’m pretty sure Sherman signed with Tampa shortly after his far worse than Geno actions that got a slap on the wrist from law enforcement .


I’m going with Geno is getting an alcohol interlock device , a fine , a day in jail and on with his life and buddy don’t do it again. Let’s see if woman beating roid rager plays this weekend . If he does Geno should be fine .